Why pick on Israel?

Boycott Israel…and N. Korea…and China…and Japan

Jordanian Palestinian leader: Hamas is killing my people
http://youtu.be/F1qpaWTu0eU

UPDATE: Canada’s Sun News providing PERSPECTIVE – oh no!!!

This is EXACTLY what I’ve been saying all this time, with ranters and ragers attacking me for simple and rational observations about selective outrage.

Douglas Murray: “Very hard to interpret that other than the most base motives” – exactly what I’ve been saying.


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I’m not a big cheerleader for Israel, but I had to respond to the following comment by someone on my Yahoo group:

Israel usurped the land from the Palestinians, plain and simple.

And the “Palestinians” (Arabs) usurped it from the previous inhabitants, who were the remnants of Jews, Greeks, Romans, Samaritans, et al.

Arabs also usurped Egypt, while Europeans usurped the Americas. Christian fanatics usurped European culture, while Muslims usurped the Iranian, Indian, Malaysian and Indonesian cultures. The Chinese have usurped the Tibetans.

So why not harp on and on about those facts? Why does Israel receive special venom, especially in consideration of the fact that the “Palestinians” themselves are not the original inhabitants of the land?

Heck, the Neanderthals were in Israel first – why not weep and wail about their displacement and extinction?

“History” is one long tale of usurpation.

Palestinians Hated by Other Arabs

I am further reminded that, while Israel gets all the press for abusing Palestinians, much of the Arab world is very unfriendly to them as well:

King Fahd: ‘Next To Jews, We Hate Palestinians The Most’
Mufti of Lebanon: ‘Palestinians are trash’
Syrian gov’t blames Palestinians for unrest
Jordan strips Palestinians’ citizenship
Palestinians in Egypt face discrimination, poverty and no access to basic services

Arab Support of Israel

Meanwhile, there are also plenty of Muslims who have supported the state of Israel. A Harvard study showed that 77% of Arab Israelis would rather live in Israel than any other country globally. Boycotting Israel also hurts these nearly two million Israeli Arabs, who include “Palestinians.”

Killing Jews and Destroying Israel for Allah

Another important side to the story: Destroying Israel and killing Jews is part of ISLAMIC DOCTRINE. I refuse to be manipulated on behalf of Islamic doctrine.

Destroy Israel for Allah: Conflict with Israel defined as religious
Our war with the descendants of the apes and pigs (i.e., Jews) is a war of religion and faith. Long Live Fatah!” [PA TV (Fatah), Jan. 9, 2012]

This statement was made by the moderator at a Fatah event, and it highlights a dangerous trend by the PA and Fatah to define the conflict with Israel as an uncompromising religious war, mandated by Islam.

Indeed, Palestinian society has undergone a major shift towards fundamental Islam. In 2010, more than 98% of Palestinians surveyed said that religion plays an important role in their lives, while less than 1% considered religion not important.” [Ramallah Center for Human Rights Studies (RCHRS)]. 80% of Palestinians approved of hand amputations for theft, in a 2003 poll, while 50% thought this form of punishment should be implemented immediately, and 30% conditioned it on improved judicial conditions. [Bir Zeit Univ. Development Studies Program, Poll No.14, 2003]

An integral part of this Palestinian Islamization is the teaching that Islam is at war with Jews and Israel. Jews are said to be the enemy of Allah, and PA (Fatah) and Hamas religious and academic leaders alike have reiterated on numerous occasions, including as recently as January 2012 by the PA Mufti, the Islamic teaching that the Hour of Resurrection is dependent on the extermination of Jews:

PA Mufti Muhammad Hussein: “Palestine in its entirety is a revolution… continuing today, and until the End of Days. The reliable Hadith… says: “The Hour [of Resurrection] will not come until you fight the Jews. The Jew will hide behind stones or trees. Then the stones or trees will call: ‘Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.’” [PA TV (Fatah), Jan. 9, 2012]

Thus, the murder of Jews becomes a prerequisite for and fulfillment of the Islamic ideal. In a 2011 poll, (by Israel Project) 73% of Palestinians said they “believe” the Islamic Hadith that preaches it is Islamic destiny to kill Jews wherever they are.

Adham Ahmad Abu Jandal, Hamas suicide terrorist:

“My message to the loathed Jews: There is no god but Allah, we will chase you everywhere. We are a nation that drinks blood. We know that there is no better blood than the blood of Jews. We won’t leave you alone until we have quenched our thirst with your blood, and our children’s thirst with your blood. We will not rest until you leave the Muslim countries.”

Israeli Accomplishments

Also, it should be noted that Israel has accomplished a great deal during its modern existence, including medical breakthroughs such as regarding cannabis and other technological achievements.

The following list is 10 years old, and there have been many more accomplishments since then, including a state-of-the-art desalination program – all of this technology and advancement is what we would be without if Israel didn’t exist and we were to boycott it completely.

Some of Israel’s Accomplishments

1. The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.

2. Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.

3. The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel. Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed, and produced in Israel.

4. The Pentium microprocessor in your computer was most likely made in Israel.

5. Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

6. Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.

7. The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

8. According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry’s most impenetrable flight security. US officials now look to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security threats.

9. Israel’s $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.

10. Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.

11. Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.

12. Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin — 109 per 10,000 people — as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

13. In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the second largest number of startup companies after the US (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).

14. With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel has the highest concentration hi-tech companies in the world — apart from the Silicon Valley, US.

15. Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the US.

16. After the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

17. Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.

18. On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.

19. Twenty-four percent of Israel’s workforce hold university degrees — ranking it third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland — and 12% hold advanced degrees.

20. Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.

21. In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews at risk in Ethiopia to safety in Israel.

22. When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world’s second elected female leader in modern times.

23. When the US Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, was bombed in 1998, Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day — and saved three victims from the rubble.

24. Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship — and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 — in the world.

25. Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity.

26. Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as “conflict free.”

27. Israel has the world’s second highest per capita rate of publishing new books.

28. Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in its number of trees, made more remarkable because this was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.

29. Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.

30. In the field of medicine, Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

31. An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in US hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

32. Israel’s Givun Imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.

33. Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart’s mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.

34. Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the US, over 70 in Japan, and fewer than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions, Israel places first in this category as well.

35. A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device, produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct — all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue.

36. An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant (in southern California’s Mojave desert).

Updated: December 23, 2018 — 8:22 pm

56 Comments

  1. I got my dna read a month ago or so; I’m 2.7 percent Neanderthal!

  2. Why pick on Israel? It’s easy, it’s fashionable and it gives cowards something to do.

  3. I usually find your work very intelligent and interesting, that’s why I’m surprised to find such a dumb argument on your website. You’re American, right? So if a nation, let’s say Russia, waged a war against the USA, killing people and taking over your states, would you be there to say they’ve got that right because you too usurped this land from Native Americans ? Of course not.

    I’m not saying Palestine is a white angel against big devil Israel, of course the world isn’t all black and white, but the fact is, criticizing Israel (at least in Europe) gives you an instant ban from the media and intellectual ostracism. Most people getting against Israel here are definitely not given prime-time shows to express their opinions.

    1. Thanks, but if you usually find my work to be intelligent, why would you disrespectfully assume that suddenly I am engaging in “dumb” arguments now? From your response, it doesn’t sound as if you understood my argument and that, despite your disclaimer, you are a “Palestinian cheerleader.”

      I stand by what I said. Why pick on Israel when ALL of humanity has been moving here and there for millennia? My argument speaks to HYPOCRISY. Yes, I would be a hypocrite to be sitting in the U.S. benefiting from what Native Americans would consider an “invasion,” while harping about Israel’s “invasion.” There’s nothing “dumb” about not wanting to be hypocritical. On the contrary.

      Criticizing Israel does NOT get an “instant ban from the media and intellectual ostracism.” That’s just “sooo ’90s,” which is when I was listening to the nonstop anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian rabblerousing of Pacifica radio’s KPFK station in Los Angeles. Because of such programming, it is now considered highly fashionable to rant on and on against Israel, which is precisely why I wrote what I did.

      What WILL get you banned from the media is discussing honestly not the Jew problem but the Muslim problem and that the Palestinians are hardly paragons of virtue whom we should be going to bat for.

      Like I say, hypocrisy. If you don’t want to be considered a hypocrite, then don’t fall right into line attacking Israel while ignoring the injustice of other such occupations or “invasions,” if you will. How about the heinous occupation of PERSIA by Islamic fanatics? Why not go on and on about that? That would be a far more credible endeavor.

      The simple fact is that because so many people irrationally hate Jews, Israel is an easy target, and much of the carping we see is not based on love for the Palestinians but on hatred of Jews. In reality, Muslim countries and organizations are cynically using the Palestinians to further Islamist causes.

      1. “What WILL get you banned from the media is discussing honestly not the Jew problem but the Muslim problem and that the Palestinians are hardly paragons of virtue whom we should be going to bat for.” So true. I could go on, but I won’t. This is why I refuse to take a side on this issue, almost no sources I have ever found on it are trustworthy. I refuse to support Israel though because as a former evangelical I understand exploitation of zionism by christians who are covertly virulently anti-semitic.

  4. Israel is a project of US and European Imperialism, because the US and Europe is where most of the Israeli colonists came from, and that is also where most of their funding and support comes from. The Islamic and Christian Palestinians were forcibly and murderously driven from their lands by the Israelis, who forced the Islamic and Christian Palestinians into the ghettos now called the Occupied Territories. Of about 15 million Jews worldwide, 6 million live in Israel and 6 million live in the USA. The majority of Jews in both Israel and the USA are Ashkenazis of European descent – who have no significant genetic connection with the Middle East.

    Throughout the world, the majority of Jews are Ashkenazis (of European descent), a minority of Jews are of Midrashi (Middle Eastern) descent, and a smaller minority of Jews are of Ethiopian (black African) descent. It is therefore incorrect and inappropriate to refer to the Jews as a race – the Jews are not ‘Semites’, because most of them have no genetic connection with the Middle East. The Jews are actually just a religious cult.

    Acharya S wrote: “History” is one long tale of usurpation.

    That does not excuse the Israeli colonists’ usurpation of Palestine.

    1. And my point stills stand – why pick on Israe? How about all the Hindu Bangladeshis who were massacred, raped and driven from their homes by invading Muslims? Where’s your outrage over that hideous genocide? How about ISIS attacking Syria and now Iraq, trying to establish an Islamic caliphate – not outraged over that, happening right now? Do you know what these evil demons are doing to fellow Muslims, as well as Christians there? Or were those crocodile tears for the Christians of Palestine?

      Did you miss the point of my essay entirely? What country do you live in? If it’s the U.S., why aren’t you ranting against your ancestors for invading and causing the demise (mostly through disease) of tens of millions of native Americans?

      Again, my essay speaks to hypocrisy, and since history has been one long tale of usurpation, why are you picking on Israel? It sounds like you simply hate Jews and/or are toeing the Islamist party line in cynically using the “Palestinians” as a way to bludgeon Israel into non-existence. This issue has been used by Islamic groups and countries that HATE the Palestinians, in order to raise funds for terrorism and other sordid infidelophobic endeavors.

      1. Why do you keep bringing up ancient history as a comparison to a insurgence in the modern era?

        1. What “ancient history” would that be? ISIS attacking Iraqis? That’s “ancient history” to you? They’re still engaged in it. The Bangladeshis? That was in the 1970s – again, that’s “ancient history” to you? Perhaps because you weren’t born yet and therefore don’t know anything about the past 40 years or so, making you ignorant of history?

          And even if I were discussing “ancient history,” why should I not? And why would you not get the point? It’s not that difficult to comprehend. I guess if we wait long enough, Israel’s “occupation” will be just fine, because it will be “ancient history.”

    2. So is Islam
      Bible says He has set the boundaries of Israel ,it is His land and not to be divided.

    3. Ashkenazi are almost identical, genetically to the Sephardi. On a global pcs they’re between Greeks and Near Easterners, because they do have a mix of Europen and Near Eastern ancestry. To say their connections are weak, is flat out false. Know your facts before speaking.

    4. So… am I not American despite being born and raised, as were my parents, right here in America? I may of various European descents, but that really doesn’t define my nationality does it? However, the “father” of the Hebrew nation is Abraham, a man (if you believe the story) of Iraqi descent. His move and usurpation of Canaan may have something to do with the conflict there, but Israel is only a small part of the problem. Acharya simply points to the hypocrisy of making a big deal out of this situation but saying nothing of the long history of usurpation that humans commit constantly. How do you think the British Empire became the latest world power at her height? N. America was just another of her colonies… until the people usurped their own colonies and declared independence… but I digress.

  5. The European Conquest of North America was completed more than 100 years ago, and is now a matter of history. I agree with your statement on Red Ice Radio that people should try to get along. But the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians continues unabated. The Muslims are not uniquely intolerant. The Hindutva movement in India, which recently elected Modi to India’s Presidency, wants to make India into a Hindu State that is intolerant of other religions. During the past couple of days Buddhist extremists in Sri Lanka have been killing Muslims and burning out their homes and shops. If some Islamic groups ‘hate’ the Palestinians, I do not see how that is relevant to the discussion of Israel/Palestine.

    “How about all the Hindu Bangladeshis who were massacred, raped and driven from their homes by invading Muslims? Where’s your outrage over that hideous genocide?”

    The Muslim conquest of Bengal was eight hundred years ago. I think that we should concern ourselves with current injustices, not with ancient injustices.

    1. Bangladesh is a state formed in the 1970s – I AM talking about modern history.

      An article in National Geographic from September 1972 regarding the then newly-formed nation of Bangladesh illustrates how little the world’s situation has changed over the past 30+ years. The story of Bangladesh is simply appalling. It begins centuries ago, with the Bengali people being murderously ping-ponged back and forth by whatever forces trudged across their path. While at one point Bangladesh – an area roughly the size of the American state of Wisconsin and surrounded by India, with Pakistan on the west, Nepal and Bhutan to the north, and Burma/Myanmar on the east – was largely composed of Hindus and Buddhists, in 1202 it was invaded and bent under the sword of Islam by the Turkomans. After the horrendous disaster in November 1970 of a cyclone and tsunami wiped out an estimated 600,000 people, in 1972 civil war erupted after minority Urdu-speaking Pakistanis attempted officially to impose their rule over the far more populous Bengalis. The atrocities that followed included not only an estimated 3 million deaths but also approximately 200,000 rapes, vicious acts that created thousands of unwanted pregnancies and tremendous disgrace for the women involved.

      http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/03/new-wineskins-old-vinegar-mankind.html

      I ask again, why pick on Israel? There are many current injustices and BRUTALITIES all over the world, and most of the latter ARE being promulgated by Muslim fanatics, so that’s where our focus should lie. “The Muslims” aren’t anything, as that is a generalization. Hundreds of millions of Muslim fanatics, however, represent the greatest threat to human civilization other than the environment.

      The “Buddhist extremists” were doing a little “blowback” for constant violence against THEM by Muslims. It’s okay to invoke “blowback” for Muslims but not for aggrieved Buddhists?

      Nor should we allow violent Christian behavior from the past off the hook either, as people should avoid joining any of these barbaric ideologies.

      If one wishes to direct one’s outrage towards something much more current, please see here:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis

      There are many other such examples here:

      http://thereligionofpeace.com

      Where are the voices for the victims of this neverending violence, which is occurring right now?

      The Palestinians have plenty of advocacy and have raked in BILLION$. They are among the most obese people in the world, and many of them are quite rich. Moreover, Palestinian fanatics are among the biggest brutes on Earth, gleefully committing honoricide against helpless females.

      1. The Bangladesh Civil War of 1970 produced Muslim-on-Muslim atrocities as well as Muslim-on-Hindu atrocities, and the cause of the Civil War was not merely religion, but the unequal apportion of power between East Pakistan and West Pakistan. The Indian Government, using its Intelligence Service (RAW) infiltrated its agents into Bangladesh to provocateur the Bangladesh Civil War. See: http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/6328

        freeth wrote: “There are many current injustices and BRUTALITIES all over the world, and most of the latter ARE being promulgated by Muslim fanatics, so that’s where our focus should lie.”

        That’s a big claim; where are the statistics that support it? What about the people that the USA has killed in recent years in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya? Since you don’t mind looking at history, how about Vietnam? How can we restrain the murderous Judeo-Christian extremists in the US Government and the US Military?

        freeth wrote: “The “Buddhist extremists” were doing a little “blowback” for constant violence against THEM by Muslims.”

        I haven’t heard of any atrocities or abuses perpetrated by Muslims against Buddhists or Hindus in Sri Lanka. My friend who lives in Sri Lanka would have told me if there had been. Abuses committed in other countries aren’t relevant to what is happening in Sri Lanka. During the Sri Lankan Civil War (1983-2009), the Tamils drove most of the Muslims out of northern Sri Lanka.

        Speaking of the Beslan event and the Chechnyan Wars, Russia has been accused (by Human Rights Watch and others) of war crimes far in excess of what is blamed on the Chechnyan resistance. It happens that Chechnya has very large reserves of oil. Also, the Russian Government’s FSB (KGB) has been caught bombing their own people and blaming it on Chechnyan “terrorists”. Google: “Ryazan Incident”.

        The statistics show that far more Palestinians have been killed or injured by Israelis than the reverse. The statistics, the Palestinian ghettos, and the massive US-supplied Israeli Military might show us who is the aggressor — and who is the victim — in the Israel/Palestine conflict.

        Civilian casualty (death) figures for the Israeli–Palestinian conflict (figures from B’tselem and the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs) between 1987 and 2010:
        Israelis – 1503. Palestinians – 7978.

        The Jewish claim to Israel is based on Biblical mythology, and the Jews are mostly of European ancestry. Since the Jewish claim to Palestine is based on Biblical mythology and has no legal basis, why support it or defend it — when it is plainly a case of Euro-American aggression?

        1. I haven’t heard of any atrocities or abuses perpetrated by Muslims against Buddhists or Hindus in Sri Lanka.

          Yet, you invoke the violence in response to an attack on a BUDDHIST MONK by a Muslim? You don’t know because you’re not paying attention.

          The Sri Lankan Buddhists tend to be hardliners, and in the case of Islam I can’t say I blame them. They are intelligent enough to see the handwriting on the wall, as foolish apologists enable Islam to spread all over the world.

          You’re actually trying to deflect off the incredibly EVIL Beslan massacre and slaughter of CHILDREN by Muslims? If so, just go away.

          Stop defending Islam on my blog – only insensate individuals would continue to do such a thing after all these years of non-stop Islamic violence all over the world.

    2. Thanks for listening to my Red Ice program.

      I personally don’t care when an injustice was committed. I’m trying to rectify one of the greatest injustices in history, committed some 2,000 years ago: The creation of Christianity. If I felt confined by recent time stamps, I wouldn’t even bother doing my work.

      1. When I began studying Comparative Mythology in earnest, I was temporarily thrilled by the realization that I was learning how to thoroughly deconstruct Christianity by revealing its true origins. Eventually, however, as it became clear to me that Christianity is just one version of a story that has been retold repeatedly in the past, my interest shifted to the roots of all those stories. Now I want to learn what the stories meant to the people who composed them thousands of years ago.

        freeth, you are so right (as you stated on the Red Ice Radio program) that the ancient mythologies, literature, and art provide a history of the world-view and interests of the peoples of the ancient world, and that it is a legacy that we certainly should try to preserve and try to understand.

        From the study of Comparative Mythology I have learned that all of the cultures of the world have developed like a family tree, in the same way that languages have evolved. Every traditional culture and religion is related. The people of the ancient world had a precocious understanding of astronomy, which is recorded in their myths. The ancient mythologies tell us things about cyclic Climate Change that modern scientists have been getting wrong.

        1. In a nutshell: showing the mythical roots of Christianity is already a ‘done deal’ that you (freeth) have largely accomplished. There’s also much more to be revealed about the interconnections of world mythology, and the ancient knowledge of astronomy. But for me the really interesting goal is to try to understand what the peoples of the world were telling us about cyclic Climate Change in their myths, art, and literature.

        2. Thanks. “freeth” is just the default name my mod put in here and that I don’t seem to be able to change except manually.

      2. Hello AS. Read and heard about you for years. I’m also a big critic of the Paulist-Gnostic cult known as Christianity. It makes me sick to think of all the cultures and beliefs systems that Islam and yes Christianity have wiped out in the last 2000 years. Original Christianity (at least many of the wiped out heretics) I had no problem with – it’s after Constantine and Justinian it went to really crap. I disagree with some of your conclusions but keep up the good work.

    3. there’s always this anti-white racism thrown around Europeans aka whites stole Indian, murdered them, etc. BS. Many died of small pox, etc. which would have happened if say China came first. The simple fact is most were stone age hunters that would have fallen to any advanced people that “discovered” North America.

      In addition the Indians (Asians) were proceeded by 10,000 by “white” ice age hunters following the ice sheets. DNA tests of Indians shows they are actually part white.

      As to the PLO Arabs they have committed endless violent acts against Jews (and anyone else) which under the rules of war they got what they deserved. Why are you not bitching about the 900,000 PLO Arabs expelled from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia in the early 1990s? Well let’s hear it.

      What about the 900,000 Jews driven out of surrounding Muslim countries since 1948? In every Arab country it’s AGAINST the law to allow PLO Arabs citizenship, access to public service, own property, etc. Why are you silent on this?

      if Israel was anything but Jewish they would be ignored and that is the point AS is making. The people attacking Israel in nearly every case attack them for being Jews and don’t give a crap about the PLO Arabs.

  6. ISIS obviously has big financial support, and it is not clear who is supplying that. It is known that the USA has been supporting Islamist ‘pseudo-insurgencies’ ever since it supported ‘Al Qaeda’ in Afghanistan during the 1980s. According to George Friedman of Stratfor, the USA’s foreign policy is one of destabilizing Developing nations to keep them from becoming strong and independent.

    1. To quote the Daily Beast:

      The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), now threatening Baghdad, was funded for years by wealthy donors in Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three U.S. allies that have dual agendas in the war on terror.

      I’ll add Turkey.

  7. The Jewish claim for ownership of the land of Israel is based on Biblical mythology, by an alleged diaspora that occurred nearly 2,000 years ago, and by an ancestry that is far more European than Middle Eastern. What we see today are Europeans and Americans forcibly and murderously stealing the land of the Palestinians and forcing them into ghettos.

    Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all mythological constructs — why should we favor or support any of them? The USA and Europe have created Israel as their Colony, using the specious, ridiculous, mythological Jewish claims to Palestine as a justification for their aggression. The Israel/Palestine conflict isn’t really about religion — it’s about Euro-American Imperialism and aggression.

    1. According to the science, the ancient Israelites were Semites indigenous to the region, so, tossing the Bible, aside Semitic Jews would still have a right to the land, and there were Semitic Jews in the region when Israel was formed in modern times. I obviously don’t concur with the alleged brutality with which Israel was founded or even that it was founded, necessarily, but arguments against it are weak.

      Like I say, if you’re in the U.S., perhaps you should do some self-flagellating, since you’re in the lands of native Americans (who themselves came from elsewhere). The founding of America itself is “European imperialism and aggression.” Best rant against its very existence and give billion$ to the natives – oh, and why shouldn’t the Native Americans have billion$, rather than everyone giving it to the Palestinians? I find the Native American culture to be far more enlightened and worthy than that of the misogynistic Palestinian, frankly.

      Again, my post speaks to hypocrisy.

      1. The genetic theory of a Jewish race is controversial, and it is not a ‘settled science’ with a consensus. See: ‘Jews a Race’ Genetic Theory Comes Under Fierce Attack by DNA Expert — Israeli Scientist Challenges Hypothesis of Middle East Origins.
        http://forward.com/articles/175912/jews-a-race-genetic-theory-comes-under-fierce-atta/?p=all#ixzz3588812L5

        The racial divisions between Jewish Israelis (white European Ashkenazis, Middle Eastern Midrashis, and black African Ethiopian Jews) have caused discrimination and resentment within Israel since its inception. See: “We Look Like the Enemy” (2008) by Rachel Shabi, and “Goliath — Life and Loathing in Greater Israel” (2013) by Max Blumenthal.

        Your Native American argument is often used by Zionists in defense of Israel. I’d be quite pleased to divide up the land of the USA into equal shares with the Native Americans and the Euro-Americans; I’m pretty sure that it would give me a lot more land than I presently own. Take it away from the Corporations and divide it up equally among all the citizens. I’ll vote for that!

        But the Israelis show no intention of sharing the land with the Palestinians that they stole it from.

      2. freeth wrote: “According to the science [that’s putative], the ancient Israelites were Semites indigenous to the region, so, tossing the Bible, aside Semitic Jews would still have a right to the land, and there were Semitic Jews in the region when Israel was formed in modern times.”

        So I can fly over to Ireland, and go around telling people “My ancestors lived here a bit over 150 years ago, and now I’ve come back to claim my land. I’m entitled to it, because my ancestors were Irish, and Catholic to boot. Now give it to me, or I’ll take it by force.” The Irish would surely deport me straight back to the USA. And you think that the Jews have a right to return to Palestine and claim all of its land for themselves after 2,000 years?

        1. Since you continue to miss the point, I fail to see how this discussion will be beneficial. It is not merely “putative” that the Israelites emerged in the hill country of Judea and Samaria; it’s a fact borne out by the historical and archaeological record.

          Since there are already millions of Jews in Israel, many of them born there, what you would propose to do, destroy Israel and drive out these Jews, as well as the Arabs who themselves say they live better in Israel than in the rest of the Middle East? Perhaps someone should genocide them all?

          That is espousing Islamist doctrine, and I’m not interested in any of it. You will not convince me to go about ranting against Israel, to the exclusion of everyone else, so you are wasting your time. I’m not fond of the Islamic Regime of Iran, and I won’t toe their party line.

          You can rage at Israel all you like, but you are being highly selective and hypocritical in your grievances, and I must chalk up your views to simple Jew-hatred. Again, why not go after those who destroyed the Bengalis, driving the Hindus there towards extinction?

          1. You’re right that “the ancient Israelites were Semites indigenous to the region”, so my “putative” remark was unfounded. Apparently the Canaanites were also indigenous to the same region — so their descendants should have the same claim to Israel that you insist the Jews should have. Where are the descendants of the Canaanites, and what about their Right of Return?

            The British Government of India withheld food from the Bengalis during World War Two, which resulted in the deaths of as many as 4 million people — an event which many Bengalis blame the British for. It is a documented fact that the British officials refused food for the Bengalis when they did have food to give.

            The Buddhist and Shinto Japanese committed the Rape of Nanking and other major acts of genocide, and the Nazis atrocities are well known. During the 20th Century, from a statistical standpoint, I cannot see that the Muslims were particularly abusive. Stalin’s Ukrainian genocide was not perpetrated by Muslims.

            Female genital mutilation is most common in subSaharan Africa, where both Islamic and non-Islamic Tribal groups practice it. The practice precedes Islam by hundreds of years, being described in ancient Egypt and by Roman writers. The Muslims didn’t invent female genital mutilation; they borrowed the practice from the Egyptians and from African Tribals.

            It appears to me that you are singling out Islam for condemnation, when the mass murder by aggressive war being perpetrated by the Judeo-Christian USA and NATO is statistically the most violent behavior occuring in recent times. You remind me of Bill Maher, who claims to be an Atheist, and who criticizes, in his movie “Religulous”, Islam and Christianity — but he doesn’t subject Judaism to any criticism.

          2. Where are the descendants of the Canaanites? You might want to look at the ARAB MUSLIM “Palestinians” who invaded and slaughtered them to a significant extent.

            Buddhist and Stalinist atrocities are irrelevant here but can be dealt with elsewhere. Blaming the Brits for what PAKISTANI MUSLIMS did to the Bengali Hindus, Christians and Muslims is really reaching.

            Apologies for FGM – some 90% of which is done by MUSLIMS who justify it via ISLAM – are a disgrace. I have no interest in despicable Islamopandering here.

            Muslim fanatics are responsible for the deaths of some 270 million people worldwide – and that’s just the non-Muslims. Muslim on Muslim violence has also been rampant. Islam itself inculcates these behaviors. Islam needs to be singled out at this point in history, and if you are so blind to that fact, we have no ability to communicate further.

            Please see my other response to your unfounded comments about Judaism and my work. You don’t know my work at all, obviously, so please stop pretending to know it so you can misrepresent it in a bad light. If you had even bothered to do a search at this very site, you would have found plenty of criticism of Judaism. If you had read my books, you would see my dissections of Judaism – I could not write a book called The Christ Conspiracy without addressing Judaism. That’s really ridiculous.

            In the meantime, defending Islam at any point and in any way is disgraceful. Such shameful behavior endangers my gender and freedoms, and I don’t appreciate it. Are you taking classes with jihadis, by any chance? These are standard Muslim apologies – what’s next, that the veil is a “choice?”

            Stages of Muslim Apologetics
            1. Denial
            2. Deflection
            3. Insults
            4. Threats
            5. Violence

            You’ve already engaged in denial and deflection, will insults, threats and violence be next?

          3. Acharya S — Why do you condemn Christianity and Islam, while giving Judaism a pass?

          4. Why do you misrepresent my work in a fallacious and absurd question?

            You came here via a radio program about my new book Did MOSES Exist? The MYTH of the ISRAELITE Lawgiver?,” which demonstrates that Pentateuch is not “history” but mythology from around the Levant and Egypt; yet, you think I’m “giving Judaism a pass?”

            You do not know my work, obviously, but are here only to hate on Jews, apparently, whenever possible. Not that I want to contribute to irrational Jew hatred, but in DME, I include some very harsh assessments of Jews from antiquity, including by Diodorus and Tacitus.

            In the meantime, my work dissecting Christianity ALSO involves critiquing Judaism and the Jews who had a large hand in creating Christianity – how could I possibly avoid Judaism? That’s ridiculous. You would know that fact, if you knew my work, so please stop misrepresenting it. If you think that misrepresenting my work in this manner is going to make me hate Israel and its citizens, you are incorrect. And I don’t respond well to inquisitorial demands, either.

            Here’s another quote I included in DME:

            http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2009/05/is-jesus-myth.html

            The [biblical] sentiment and sense of triumph are reflected in “A Real Case Against the Jews” by Jewish writer Marcus Eli Ravage, published in The Century Magazine, v. 115, no. 3, The Century Co., NY, 1928, p. 346ff:

            “Our tribal customs have become the core of your moral code. Our tribal laws have furnished the basic groundwork of all your august constitutions and legal systems. Our legends and our folk-tales are the sacred lore which you croon to your infants. Our poets have filled your hymnals and your prayer-books. Our national history has become an indispensable part of the learning of your pastors and priests and scholars. Our kings, our statesmen, our prophets, our warriors are your heroes. Our ancient little country is your Holy Land. Our national literature is your Holy Bible. What our people thought and taught has become inextricably woven into your very speech and tradition, until no one among you can be called educated who is not familiar with our racial heritage.

            “Jewish artisans and Jewish fishermen are your teachers and your saints, with countless statues carved in their image and innumerable cathedrals raised to their memories. A Jewish maiden is your ideal of motherhood and womanhood. A Jewish rebel-prophet is the central figure in your religious worship. We have pulled down your idols, cast aside your racial inheritance, and substituted for them our God and our traditions. No conquest in history can even remotely compare with this clean sweep of our conquest over you.”

  8. I see that some of my comments have ‘disappeared’. But I’ll give you one more concept to think about, whether you choose to publish it or not. These are statistics that speak for themselves.

    During Israel’s Operation Cast Lead (from December 29, 2008 to January 18, 2009), Human Rights organisations and the UN counted just above 1,400 Palestinian deaths, and Israel acknowledged 1,166 Palestinian deaths. On the other side, 3 Israeli civilians were killed and 6 soldiers. Additionally, 4 Israeli soldiers were killed by “friendly fire”.
    Early estimates by independent contractors in Gaza say that Gaza lost nearly $2 billion in assets, including 4,000 homes destroyed. The IDF destroyed 600–700 factories, small industries, workshops and business enterprises throughout the Gaza Strip, 24 mosques, 31 security compounds, and 10 water or sewage lines. The World Health Organization said that 34 health facilities (8 hospitals and 26 primary health care clinics) were damaged over the course of the offensive and the UNOCHA said that over 50 United Nations facilities sustained damage, of which 28 reported damage in the first three days of the operation. On 22 January 2010, Israel paid $10.5 million in compensation to the United Nations for damages to UN property incurred during the Israeli offensive.

    A satellite-based damage assessment of the Gaza Strip by the United Nations revealed 2,692 destroyed and severely damaged buildings, 220 impact craters on roads and bridges with an estimated length of 167 km (104 mi) of paved and unpaved roads damaged, 714 impact craters on open ground or cultivated land with an estimated land area of 2,100 hectares (21 km²), 187 greenhouses completely destroyed or severely damaged with an estimated area of 28 hectares (0.28 km²), and 2,232 hectares (22.32 km²) of demolished zones targeted by IDF bulldozers, tanks and phosphorus shelling.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War

    During Israel’s Operation Cast Lead, the death ratio was more than 100 Palestinians to one Israeli. These statistics tell us who was the aggressor, and who the victim.

    1. None of your comments has “disappeared.” All of them are still here, as this blog is moderated. You have overwhelmed with many, and I don’t have the time or endurance right now to be addressing all of them.

      Suffice it to say that you will not convince me to become either a Jew- or Israel-hater. You seem obsessed with the alleged transgressions of this one entity, while ignoring the rest of the horrible things happening around the world. What about the Iraqis who are suffering horribly at this moment? Women and girls are being genitally mutilated – there are far greater evils to address than Israel.

      If you wished to complain about the sex slavery passing through Israel via CRIMINALS, that’s a different story, but ranting on about the existence of Israel and its citizens is not of interest to me. Again, what would you do, wipe Israel off the face of the map, as the Islamic Republic of Iran wants to do?

      Again, I will not serve as a mouthpiece or aid to the IRI or any of its Islamist cohorts in their desire to bring about the Mahdi by destroying Israel.

  9. o_O
    I like this discussion on here – I recently have been reading from Benjamin Freedman on this topic. I believe the problem was centered from or around the Zionist (it’s their occupation of Gaza) that is rotten. After all, they are warmongers and profit from conflict. What I do not understand is how they could profit at such a loss as Fegel pointed out, due to property damage and other such further losses? and that David Duke has made some good arguments in the past that also shows that Zionism was at it’s core. Not the Jews as a people to be assaulted based on their race. Yet, after some research and reviewing the Talmud, it’s quit clear that Judaism has some questionable “roots”, as do all these religions. An extremely racist and prejudice book as well. I am just a “Goyim” and I really do not understand all the hatred. Hatred begets hate. After all, the “Jews are Gods chosen people”, or so we’ve been told. (more propaganda) & why did these Khazar’s so willingly convert to that religion, after having the choice to convert to which ever other of their choosing. Was the violent beliefs and history of that particular religion more to their liking perhaps, to compare to their barbaric/warmongering? I don’t know ~thomas
    Reading –
    http://www.iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/1974.Washington.D.C.speech.html

  10. Criticism of Judaism should not be limited to the myths of the Bible and the Talmud. Criticism of Judaism should also include a critique of Jewish behavior — the same type of critique that Acharya S applies to Christianity and Islam.

    Israel is a Jewish Theocracy that has committed, and continues to commit, violent ethnic cleansing against the indigenous non-Jewish Palestinians.

    Acharya S cites oppression and aggressions that have been committed by Christians and Muslims, but that does not excuse the abuses committed by the Jews in Israel. Clearly Jews, Christians, and Muslims are all three at fault.

    Judaism is a religion — not a race. Today the majority of Jews are of white European descent; there is no ‘Jewish race’, just as there is no Christian race, nor any Islamic race.

    In antiquity Canaanites, Philistines, Phoenicians, and others lived in the same country as the Jews, and Israel/Palestine is the ‘ancestral homeland’ of their descendants, too.

    The creation of the modern State of Israel is simply another injustice committed in the name of religion.

    1. We’ve heard your opinion 10 times now, but you have not acknowledged your erroneous assessment of my work.

      Nor do you give any kind of solution, just griping. Again, I’m not interested in the Islamic propaganda that requires Israel to be destroyed and all Jews to be massacred. There are almost 2 million Arabs in Israel, many of whom prefer life there – what would you do with them when you destroy Israel? They are Israeli citizens. Many Arabs/Muslims support Israel.

      Are you also not aware that the Dome of the Rock is MUSLIM territory where Jews can’t even move their lips? If Israel were as evil and religiously oppressive as you like to claim, the Dome would have been destroyed long ago, and the Temple Mount would have been restored to the Jews.

      Nor is anyone here claiming Jews are a race. There are Semitic Jews, European Jews, Indian Jews, Chinese Jews and so on. There are also ARAB JEWS. Again, would you advocate the extermination of all these Jews from different ethnicities, simply because they are Jews?

    2. What is this persons problem?

  11. Acharya S, you are the only one here talking about “exterminating Jews”. The Israelis should return the lands that they forcibly stole from the Palestinians since 1947, all Palestinians living outside of Israel should be allowed to return to their former homes, and Israel should be transformed from a Jewish State back into a pluralistic Palestinian state. The Israelis should also pay reparations to the Palestinians. All of this can be accomplished without violence. If any Jews would feel uncomfortable living in a pluralistic Palestinian state, they should go to the USA or Europe to live, where Jews already enjoy a high standard of living.

    Acharya S wrote: “… you have not acknowledged your erroneous assessment of my work.”

    I will repeat: criticism of Judaism should not be limited to the myths of the Bible and the Talmud. Criticism of Judaism should also include a critique of Jewish behavior — the same type of critique that Acharya S applies to Christianity and Islam. That’s my assessment of your work as it pertains to Judaism and Israel. I don’t think that my assessment is erroneous. You speak of ‘hypocrisy’; I think that your failure to apply the same standard of criticism to Judaism that you apply to Christianity and Islam is hypocrisy.

    Since the Jews are not a race, the Jews have no racial or ancestral claim to the land that they call Israel. Their claim to ownership of ‘Israel’ is purely religious, and without legal foundation.

    1. We’ve been back and forth on this, and I continue to disagree with your Palestinian-pandering. The Palestinians were also part of Jordan and Syria, so why aren’t you going after those countries as well? They are not welcome in Egypt or Saudi Arabia either – why won’t the Muslim ummah take them in? Because the Palestinian culture as a whole is not the cute and cuddly group you are trying to portray here. Again, it is obvious that few people care about the Palestinians per se but are simply engaging in Jew hatred.

      As concerns the “extermination” remarks, Islamic doctrine assuredly does call for the elimination of the state of Israel and the slaughter of its Jewish inhabitants. The Shiite fanatics are awaiting the Mahdi, who supposedly can’t return until Israel is destroyed and Jews exterminated.

      Moreover, you continue to misrepresents my work, so you remain in error about it. Please stop pretending to know my work. I have no interest in being dictated to about what I can or cannot write about. I’ve done enough, and I will not be taking a stance that I find to be extremely hypocritical. Why don’t you dissolve your family and home, since it is on Native American soil?

      I have ZERO interest in the championing of a barbaric “culture” whose fanatics gleefully engage in female murder (“honor killings”) and spew endless lies in order to garner billion$ to fill terrorist coffers.

      You ignored everything else I wrote, such as concerns the over 1.6 MILLION Arabs living in relative safety and security in Israel. There are ARABS in the Knesset – although its founding per Schoenman’s work was evidently atrocious, Israel today simply is not the horror show it is being depicted to be. The U.S. founding was ALSO atrocious, so instead of meddling in the Middle East, why don’t you focus on that fact? Native American tribes are actually in WORSE shape than most of the Palestinians, who have received billion$ from abroad. The “time” excuse is irrelevant. Injustice does not have a time stamp on it.

      The Palestinians are listed at the 8th place in world overweight population rankings.

      Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip receive one of the highest levels of aid in the world.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestinians

      A Picture of Life in Gaza
      http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Articles/Life-in-Gaza.htm

      When it comes to Gaza and the life of Palestinian “refugees”, the gap between myth and fact is so dramatic that perception almost stands reality on its head. Health and quality of life in the territories vastly exceed the average in most parts of the world – and not just where people are in more obvious need, such as Africa, but even in developed countries like China and areas of South America.

      The poverty rate in Gaza is 16% – roughly equal to Spain, Germany and California. The rate of poverty is actually higher in Greece, most of the EU, and even parts of the United States, such as Washington D.C. As researcher Daniel Greenfield has pointed out, at 24%, even the poverty rate in Israel is actually 50% higher than in Gaza!

      Gazans receive more free food aid per month per capita than anyone else in the world, including those living in famine-stricken regions. The average Somali, for example, receives seven times less in aid. The average Zimbabwean, with a life expectancy of 46, also receives about seven times less in food aid than the average resident of Gaza – who has a life expectancy of 73 (even higher than in Russia, Malaysia and neighboring Egypt).

      It seems that while Palestinians shows one side to gullible visitors and the international media, Western taxpayers are actually subsidizing something entirely different.

      Life in Gaza
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      Life in Gaza

  12. Statistics show that in modern societies obesity is more common among the poor. The Israeli Defense Forces have found that obesity among their recruits has increased since the 1950s, and the IDF’s obesity cluster is among the recruits from lower-income Israeli families. In the Developed countries, obesity is an indicator of poverty, not of wealth.

    Foreign aid from all sources to the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories amounts to a few hundred dollars per person per year. The Palestinians are not getting rich from foreign aid.

    Palestine has a mild and pleasant climate, with much arable land suitable for farming and pasturage. The Israelis have stolen most of the Palestinians’ land, and the Israelis intend to steal all of the Palestinians’ land. In spite of the Israeli aggression, the Palestinians of the Occupied Territories cling to their land because it is their ancestral heritage, without which they would become homeless refugees.

    Acharya S has proclaimed the right of indigenous (white) Europeans to resist the immigration of Muslims into Europe and the expression of Muslim culture in Europe. Muslim immigration into Europe has happened only because the European governments have allowed or encouraged that immigration. Surely the indigenous Palestinians have the right to resist the forcible theft of their own homeland by the white Euro-American Israelis.

  13. Seems like you’ve got a person who doesn’t want to shut up.

    I believe you are right about Israel, even though I don’t know much about this issue. I’ve been thinking off and on about the migration of people. The worst ones I find are those done by force.

    Look it doesn’t matter where I live, or where everyone else lives. You live there right now.
    And thats all it should be.

  14. It is a matter of historic record that back in 1967, during the Six-Day War, Israel committed an act of war against its biggest cheerleader — the United States — when it attacked the U. S. S. Liberty. The Muslims have made no bones about hating us, so they at least have acted honestly. I have read stories on the Net that some Israeli pilots have served hard time in prison because they refused to attack American ships and positions. If attacking your most loyal ally in a hostile manner is a sign of friendship, I’ll take strawberry.

    Your hatred of Islam and its practitioners has become pandemic. To be honest, that damages you severely in my opinion. I used to think that your scholarship was beyond condemnation. I’m not so sure anymore. I am beginning to believe that those who have criticized your work in the past know something that I didn’t know until now.

    You can save yourself the time and trouble of responding because I am not all that sure that I am interested in a reply from you. You will never be able to get me to kiss Israel’s butt, and I will never get you to show at least a modicum of respect to Islam and Muslims, so I am ending the dialog now.

    1. Thanks, but your misrepresentation of my effort here reflects badly not on my scholarship but on your interpretation of what I’m doing. I’m not exculpating Israel or any other nation for any type of past behaviors that may have been erroneous or malicious – that fact should be obvious from actually reading my post, rather than assuming the worst. To repeat, I’m speaking to hypocrisy, which causes people to become irrational about one particular nation – one Jewish nation among 57 Muslim countries and others in the world – while ignoring the errors and atrocities of other countries, including their own.

      I may hate Islam – with very good reason, for those rational people who have studied the subject in depth – but I have NEVER said I hate its practitioners. That is simply a malicious lie. I have continuously lauded those honest Muslims who have stood up to the horrors by the fanatics. I have one blogger here who is Muslim, and I communicate with others whom I admire. So, please stop with the ugly strawmen apparently designed to assuage your mind about disliking me so that you can continue to hate Israel while ignoring the nonstop abuses of Muslim fanatics globally.

      And to say that it is “my” hatred of Islam that “has become pandemic” is obscenely inaccurate. You mean, I’m influencing billions of people globally to hate Islam? Just forget about all the horrible crimes in the name of Islam, such as the Beslan Massacre, the Mumbai Massacre, the Kenya Massacre, the Nigerian Massacres, the Iraqi Massacre. Nope – it’s none of those factors that are causing people to hate Islam. It’s me! How disgraceful.

      I am beginning to believe that those who have criticized your work in the past know something that I didn’t know until now.

      That’s simply absurd, but please don’t bother studying my work, if you cannot even judge for yourself that someone who works in multiple languages and cites her sources in thousands of footnotes that include primary sources and the works of credentialed authorities is depicting history and mythology accurately. Instead, my scholarship is somehow lacking because I don’t rant against one nation among many causing trouble in this world. You have no problem with what’s happening to the Iraqi people under fanatics of the religion that you are defending? No concern for the some 270 million human beings slaughtered in the name of Islam over the centuries? Nothing to say about what Islam preaches concerning my gender? No? Just interested in hating on Israel and, by extension, questioning my scholarship?

      You can save yourself the time and trouble of responding, because I’m not all that sure I’m interested in a reply from you. I have worked diligently for many years now to provide the world with the most in-depth and profound information about religion and mythology that can possibly be discovered and put together – at great risk to myself, and this is the response I get? No thanks.

      As concerns Islam, hell no, you will not get me to respect such a heinous ideology, and the fact that you do is rather sickening. Do you also respect Christianity? Judaism? Why not, as Islam is derived significantly from both?

      As for your calumny about me not having a “modicum” of respect for Muslims, I don’t appreciate such remarks at all. I have already addressed this falsehood above, but let me reiterate it: I have a Muslim guestwriter on this very blog, as well as a cordial relationship with several other respectable Muslims, and I’ve known many in my lifetime. I also know many EX-Muslims whose fiercely critical views of the right-wing conservative ideology that oppressed them have certainly been factored into my perspective, as they should in any thinking person’s viewpoint. Your remarks indicate you are completely unaware that there are millions of HUMAN BEINGS who are forced to be Muslim but who want to leave what amounts to a cult. They can’t do so easily under penalty of imprisonment, beating and death. And you want me to respect such an ideology? PREPOSTEROUS.

      Posting what amounts to defamation and then ending the discussion before a response can be made is not a “dialogue.”

    2. Aw crap another one. I was in the military and that ship you refer to was 1) a spy ship feeding information to Egypt, 2) was in war zone they were ordered not to be in, 3) A congressional investigation cleared Israel. I know you will accept none of that so who cares what you think?

    3. How about you Read the quran and Read about the history of islam.
      And by the way the us navy dont have warships close to Israel.
      They are located in the persian gulf.
      The closest ship are those from the base in italy.
      I guess you Don’t know about Google maps.
      You should Think more about how you judge people who are jews.
      They are people like Jerry seinfeld, mitch fatel, sigmund Freud, oppenheimer, Edward teller, mr spock from startrek, Paul newman, James caan, Google founders sergey brin, Larry david ,mark zuckerberg, Spielberg, Bob Dylan, borat aka sacha baron Cohen, Albert Einstein, Billy joel, gene Simmons, Amy Winehouse- orthodox, Howard Stern , howie mandel, Krusty the Clown, and my favorite Ron jeremy.
      Jews are actually behind the pornindustry, not just in front of the camera.
      Check out kat dennings, i sure would like to fuck her .
      Again.

  15. Hypocrisy abounds. It is the order of the day. Here is some Jewish hypocrisy and an explanation why Israel and Jews overall are targets of criticism etc. A quote started by I don’t know whom goes like this: “The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you”. Here, someone who is despised by Jews points out their hypocrisy that is difficult to argue with: Jewish Supremacist Hypocrisy: As Africans Beg to Flee Racist Israel, ADL Demands Open Borders for America

    http://davidduke.com/jewish-supremacist-hypocrisy-africans-beg-flee-racist-israel-americas-adl-demands-open-borders/?fb_action_ids=917388394944710&fb_action_types=news.publishes&fb_ref=pub-video

    1. Yes, of course, we can find examples of Jewish supremacists, as we can find examples of Islamic and Christian supremacists. We can find examples of American and Canadian racists as well, which certainly does not mean that all Americans or Canadians are racists; nor are the countries of America and Canada racist overall – a preposterous notion.

      While we can criticize Judaism and Zionism to the extent that they claim supremacy, to attack all Jews and the country of Israel as a whole is as egregious as it is to attack all Muslims and the country of Iran, for example. Some individual powermongers in these countries may be repulsive, as is the case with the U.S. as well.

      David Duke is hardly the paragon of virtue when it comes to racism and blacks. Good grief. Hypocrisy indeed abounds, as does the obsession with Jews and Israel as the evils of the world.

  16. I understand what you are saying, but ‘collective’ accusation and punishment are not a problem with the Jewish collective (at least represented by it’s leading lights, or more vociferous mouthpieces). I am not against ‘racism’, if it means preserving one’s own kind and that goes for ‘Jews’ also. They have had a place in the former Soviet Union to migrate to (and it still exists), but chose and were pushed instead, led by Rothschild and Company ‘Zionists’ to establish their country in a place that was already inhabited. Religious and ‘historical’ claims were/are highly disingenuous arguments.

    In any case, if David Duke is not to your liking, then consider the perspective of former Israeli soldier Gilad Atzmon, a premier critic of Israel, Zionism, Judaism and Jewry in general.
    http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/on-israeli-defeat-and-the-future-of-jewish-politics.html

    1. Another Jew conspiracy theorist. This is why I block these idiots on my blog – I don’t have days to waste trying to reason with them.

  17. “Criticizing Israel will get you ostracized in Europe”?????

    In what alternate universe do you live? Because in the real world, DEFENDING Israel will get you ostracized in Europe, while criticizing Israel is utterly mainstream. Now, it is so common that you are correct, it will not land you your own show – there are plenty of shows already bashing Israel, so there would be nothing novel in adding another one.

    You are also displyaing a dismaying lack of historical knowledge. Jews are the indigenous people in Israel. See http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/14/native-jewish-bond-thicker-than-water and other articles by Ryan Bellarose to get an unbiased perspective on the situation. (Ryan is Metis, and not Jewish, so has no personal stake in the situation).

    Take a good look at the archaeological record, showing Jewish presence in Israel going back at least tot he 1300’s BCE, with evidence that they emerged as a “people” from among the other natives around 1700 BCE. Jews lived in and ruled the land for well over a thousand years, before being conquered by the Romans, who deported the majority of the Jewish population, and renamed the country “Syria Palestina”, named after the extinct Philistines, in an effort to erase the Jewish nature of the land.

    Note that the name, which later came to be known as simply “Palestine”, had NOTHING to do with today’s “Palestinians”, who are Arabs that usurped that name in 1964, under the influence of soviet propaganda masters, to try to create a connection in people’s minds that doesn’t exist in reality.

    Arabs first entered Israel/Palestine in the 7th century CE. They came as foreign conquerors, in a bloody wave of Jihad, and ruled as a colonial empire – exactly what they now CLAIM Israel did! But their own history books BRAG about their conquest and rule.

    So apparently, it is okay for Arabs to be foreign colonizers, but not okay when the natives reclaim their land?

    And perhaps the most twisted part of this argument about Jews supposedly “driving Arabs off the land”, is that from the 10th century until the late 1800’s, the land was practically empty of inhabitants. Numerous visitors to the holy land, including most famously Mark Twain, commented extensively on how barren and empty it was. There were no mosques, except for Al Aqsa, which mostly lay barren and filled with trash. There were a few Jewish communities. Jews were the majority in Jerusalem, and in Safed, and in Hebron. Aside from that, there were a few Arab farming and fishing villages, scrabbling a meager living.

    See https://palestineisraelconflict.wordpress.com/2013/02/13/9000-photographs-and-israel-from-1800s-with-no-trace-of-displaced-palestinians/ for evidence of how empty it was, and that it was Jews who lived in the few cities.

    But then, when Jews from Russia and Europe starting buying up land and returning home, often investing their entire life savings to return to their homeland, Arab immigration soon followed. Why? Because the Jewish immigrants were creating a growing economy, that offered good job prospects, at better wages than the Arab countries paid. And because Jewish immigration was severely limited by Ottoman law, thee were not enough Jews to fill all the jobs.

    SO to put it together, you have a bunch of recent immigrants (many of them illegal – Arab immigration wasn’t watched the way Jewish immigration was), trying to claim that they are the native people, while accusing the returning natives of being foreign colonizers. And you want to side with the colonizers, against the natives?

    1. You make some excellent points that I’ve also been making concerning this debate. I would add, however, that the Israelites as an ethnicity did not emerge until the 13th century BCE, while the Jews as a tribal identity are centuries later. The point, however, is clear that Israelites, Hebrews and Jews were in the land for many centuries before the Arabs invaded, producing “Palestinians.” If the “Palestinians” are native to the region, as Canaanites and Phoenicians, they should not be speaking Arabic and following Islam, unless their culture was already destroyed by Arabs.

      When we trace the Israelites back to their Canaanite forebears, their presence in the region goes back many thousands of years before their emergence as a separate ethnicity, many millennia before Arabs invaded and took over.

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