What happens when we die? – Freethought Nation

Thanks, Marco!

Of course, the number 30 represents the degrees in each of the 12 divisions of the circle, as well as the days in lunar months, etc. Whether or not the Saturn return was factored into the equation, I’m not sure, but it could have been, especially considering Saturn’s importance to early peoples, including the Jews.

The emphasis on the 12 is for the same reason: twelve 30-degree divisions of the circle and year, as well as 12 hours of the day and night, etc. Again, I haven’t seen any relationship to Jupiter’s orbit, but it’s possible as an adjunct. Certainly, it is not [i]the [/i]reason for the popularity of “the 12.”

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I did find this information you may be interested in.

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Bhanu Padmo
(Consented Contented Death and Genetic Afterlife)
We shall start with the gnostic approach to solve the conundrum of death and afterlife.
If we don’t know the meaning of the constituent words, then the sentence becomes a mystery. All endeavors to transcend this mystery add to the current blind mysticism about the sentence if these endeavors preclude that about knowing the constituent words.
Blind mysticism may here be taken as the attitude and methodology that deepens a mystery instead of alleviating it. We have to see if the matter of death and afterlife has been at the mercy of blind mysticism.
To be on the safer side, we have to be in the affirmative. That is to say, we have to assume that the matter of death and afterlife has been an invincible mystery because the constituent concepts/ notions about this purportedly ominous phenomenon haven’t been addressed adequately, consistently and integrally.
If the phenomenon of death/ afterlife is the sentence, what could be the words? Before we start looking for these words, we must feel comforted about the fact that a constituent word is much simpler than the sentence, is much easier to understand. So we needn’t invite an ominous atmosphere while analyzing death and afterlife.
A constituent notion in this context is that of eternal life. Is life really eternal?
Before you point your finger to what you consider as a perceivable end of life and rather blindly answer in the affirmative, you may have to check out whether you are notion-blind or not. Let’s compare notion-blindness with color-blindness. As a color-blind person sees yellow as blue and is convinced about the erroneous truth, a notion-blind person would be lead very convincingly into an erroneous personal truth. So even if you have been personally sure of terminus-like identity of mortality, ask your neighbor what he/ she knows about it. You may not get an expected answer. How?
Think of male-female dichotomy/ gender division of animals and humankind. How did gender-attribute come about? Think of horns of buffalo and deer? How did horn-attribute come about?
A very deep instinct begotten of protracted-profound dream becomes the cause of an apparently inexplicable/ queer attribute. We may be able to trace the respective deep instinct and the respective protracted-profound dream/ wish going backwards from a queer attribute viz. gender, horn etc or vice verse. That is to say, we may be able to project an apparently inexplicable/ queer attribute or corporal phenomena going forward from a given deep instinct or from a given protracted-profound dream/wish.
Take the queer/ inexplicable corporal phenomenon called death/ afterlife. Take the universal and instinctive personal dream of availing eternal life. Do you see a correlation between this two?
Yes, you would unless you are presented with a contradictory conjugate like death-and-afterlife. The contradiction between death and afterlife is quite apparent. Indeed by the ordinary meanings of the two terms, these are nearly opposites. If death was to be the terminal event, then how could an afterlife be possible?
Nature would abide by universal dream for eternal life and would bless animal-kinds and mankind with afterlife. In other words, the apparent death may not be the terminus of life. This second thought is enough to incite and institute inquiry against death.
But we are not in a hurry. Let’s take up another deep universal instinct and the respective protracted-profound causal dream affecting the phenomenon of death.
Let’s take the Mountain Trekking-analogy to fish out the next instinctive dream of organisms. A group of young adolescent boys begin to trek along a wavy mountain route with a promise of being able to meet a group adolescent angels possibly after a day-long journey. Initially, the boys feel they would be able to trek for days together and this optimism is further strengthened by the angelic incentive. After midday the journey begins to look longer and still longer and by late afternoon the desired accomplishment seems impossible in spite of the waiting angels at the other end.
The boys were soon at the point of return and turned back without remorse. The cause of this failure was fatigue. But surprisingly, sweeter than the mundane failure was an immediate siesta under a tree on the soft grass. The possibility of fatigue-consummating nap could wipe out angelic allurement.
This analogy discloses the cause and nature of death. The cause is cumulative fatigue. A decelerating vehicle has to cease. Death is ceasing of the body-vehicle on its way. Death isn’t the end, isn’t the destruction of the body-vehicle.
We are talking about the natural death, not the disastrous premature death.
There is a good news awaiting : nature of death isn’t what it has been suspected to be. The boys enjoyed a consented contented siesta at the very instant of culmination of their mundane failure. So, death isn’t dreadful. It is consented and fetches ultimate contentment, because it liberates the organism from the terminating fatigue.
Death is salvation insofar as it liberates organism from terminating fatigue. However, it isn’t so inasmuch as it induces irreversible sleep (eternal sleep).
Pleasure or contentment accruing from sleep and muscular/ corporal rejuvenation falls into the category of ‘peace’. Thus death may be deemed to be a form of peace.
Buddha took advantage of this doctrine and invented the theory of salvation there from. Obviously, the post-death heaven that Buddha promised to the blessed ones was the heaven of peace located at the center of entity’s corporeality. This heaven is the internal real heaven in the form of stabilized psyche. It is different from heaven of happiness, the external real heaven foreseen at the horizon of futurity in the form of a system of sustenance-conducive physical contrivances.
Death is a form of sleep, true; but how does it become irreversible when other forms of sleep are reversible?
This is quite simple to apprehend. Outer grosser body muscles may be deemed to have become completely fatigued by day-end because of day-long hard work. When the outer grosser muscles sleep, the inner finer organs perform as their rejuvenators and wake them up at the end of rejuvenation process. What would happen when even the innermost organs viz. brain, heart, kidney etc are terminally fatigued? There will be no rejuvenators to rejuvenate and wake them up. The body then will enter an unending/ irreversible sleep called death.
How would the organism transcend death to achieve eternal life?
Here comes the case of deep fatigue-sensing instinct. How could the body be unaware of cumulative fatigue that would be smothering life continually and increasingly? And what would be the corresponding protracted-profound dream/wish?
Naturally, a protracted-profound desire for corporal reproduction (seeded reproduction) and genetic afterlife would sprout within the entity to precipitate into respective deep instinct. Thus only the organism could achieve a real eternal life.
Are there any alternative ways of transcending death and achieving afterlife? Haven’t we heard of flying souls that purportedly depart from the dying body at the death-point to be harbored in another body (that would be designated as its rebirth)? Has flying soul ever been a possibility?
Check out these analogs against body and soul. The flame and its light. The pillar and its shadow. The eye and its sight-feeling. Does light ever leave the flame? Does shadow ever leave the pillar? Does sight-feeling ever leave the eye (sight-organ)? Does soul ever leave its body?
The light shrinks to zero when its flame shrinks to zero, true; but this is not to make us say that shrinking of light is same as its departing. So, story of flying soul couldn’t be a true myth, a piece of consistent thinking. It is a false myth, a piece of absurd thinking.
This is vindicated by a reasonable definition of soul. Soul is integral feeling of sum of all abilities of body. Feeling is inseparable from body. So is soul.
Summing up, we have these results. Death is always a consented and contented personal event, akin to sleep. Death is transcended by corporal reproduction. Offspring is the afterlife.
What about salvation? Isn’t it in any way connected to the phenomenon of death? Yes. But that is another story.
(Bhanu Padmo)
http://www.bhanupadmo.com
You may reply this thread upon http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/greenlogic/ as well
or consign a copy to greenlogic@yahoogroups.co.in for extended discussions.

3 thoughts on “What happens when we die?”

Marco says:

October 27, 2011 at 2:26 am

Question for Acharya
I wanted to ask you this question but I could not find the right post to do it.

In “Christ in Egypt” you mention that one of the possible significances of the number 30 is its relation to the duration of Saturn’s year (29.5). I have been searching for the importance of the number 12. Could it be related to the duration of Jupiter’s year (11.84)?

The book is the best read ever. Thanks
1. Acharya S says:
  
  November 1, 2011 at 11:15 pm
  
  Thanks, Marco!
  
  Of course, the number 30 represents the degrees in each of the 12 divisions of the circle, as well as the days in lunar months, etc. Whether or not the Saturn return was factored into the equation, I’m not sure, but it could have been, especially considering Saturn’s importance to early peoples, including the Jews.
  
  The emphasis on the 12 is for the same reason: twelve 30-degree divisions of the circle and year, as well as 12 hours of the day and night, etc. Again, I haven’t seen any relationship to Jupiter’s orbit, but it’s possible as an adjunct. Certainly, it is not [i]the [/i]reason for the popularity of “the 12.”
  
  I’m glad you’re enjoying my book! If you get a chance, feel inspired and have an account, please feel free to post a review of my book on Amazon! I’m sure others would appreciate it as well.
  
  I did find this information you may be interested in.
  
  [img]http://books.google.com/books?id=zRFPAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA158&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U0lu0Em1cQScAOEbHFQPBYc82T-qg&ci=72%2C1224%2C893%2C269&edge=0[/img] ([url]http://books.google.com/books?id=zRFPAAAAYAAJ&dq=vishnu%20%22winter%20solstice%22&pg=PA158&ci=72%2C1224%2C893%2C269&source=bookclip”>
  
  Bhanu Padmo says:
  
  January 18, 2012 at 4:34 am
  
  Bhanu Padmo
  (Consented Contented Death and Genetic Afterlife)
  We shall start with the gnostic approach to solve the conundrum of death and afterlife.
  If we don’t know the meaning of the constituent words, then the sentence becomes a mystery. All endeavors to transcend this mystery add to the current blind mysticism about the sentence if these endeavors preclude that about knowing the constituent words.
  Blind mysticism may here be taken as the attitude and methodology that deepens a mystery instead of alleviating it. We have to see if the matter of death and afterlife has been at the mercy of blind mysticism.
  To be on the safer side, we have to be in the affirmative. That is to say, we have to assume that the matter of death and afterlife has been an invincible mystery because the constituent concepts/ notions about this purportedly ominous phenomenon haven’t been addressed adequately, consistently and integrally.
  If the phenomenon of death/ afterlife is the sentence, what could be the words? Before we start looking for these words, we must feel comforted about the fact that a constituent word is much simpler than the sentence, is much easier to understand. So we needn’t invite an ominous atmosphere while analyzing death and afterlife.
  A constituent notion in this context is that of eternal life. Is life really eternal?
  Before you point your finger to what you consider as a perceivable end of life and rather blindly answer in the affirmative, you may have to check out whether you are notion-blind or not. Let’s compare notion-blindness with color-blindness. As a color-blind person sees yellow as blue and is convinced about the erroneous truth, a notion-blind person would be lead very convincingly into an erroneous personal truth. So even if you have been personally sure of terminus-like identity of mortality, ask your neighbor what he/ she knows about it. You may not get an expected answer. How?
  Think of male-female dichotomy/ gender division of animals and humankind. How did gender-attribute come about? Think of horns of buffalo and deer? How did horn-attribute come about?
  A very deep instinct begotten of protracted-profound dream becomes the cause of an apparently inexplicable/ queer attribute. We may be able to trace the respective deep instinct and the respective protracted-profound dream/ wish going backwards from a queer attribute viz. gender, horn etc or vice verse. That is to say, we may be able to project an apparently inexplicable/ queer attribute or corporal phenomena going forward from a given deep instinct or from a given protracted-profound dream/wish.
  Take the queer/ inexplicable corporal phenomenon called death/ afterlife. Take the universal and instinctive personal dream of availing eternal life. Do you see a correlation between this two?
  Yes, you would unless you are presented with a contradictory conjugate like death-and-afterlife. The contradiction between death and afterlife is quite apparent. Indeed by the ordinary meanings of the two terms, these are nearly opposites. If death was to be the terminal event, then how could an afterlife be possible?
  Nature would abide by universal dream for eternal life and would bless animal-kinds and mankind with afterlife. In other words, the apparent death may not be the terminus of life. This second thought is enough to incite and institute inquiry against death.
  But we are not in a hurry. Let’s take up another deep universal instinct and the respective protracted-profound causal dream affecting the phenomenon of death.
  Let’s take the Mountain Trekking-analogy to fish out the next instinctive dream of organisms. A group of young adolescent boys begin to trek along a wavy mountain route with a promise of being able to meet a group adolescent angels possibly after a day-long journey. Initially, the boys feel they would be able to trek for days together and this optimism is further strengthened by the angelic incentive. After midday the journey begins to look longer and still longer and by late afternoon the desired accomplishment seems impossible in spite of the waiting angels at the other end.
  The boys were soon at the point of return and turned back without remorse. The cause of this failure was fatigue. But surprisingly, sweeter than the mundane failure was an immediate siesta under a tree on the soft grass. The possibility of fatigue-consummating nap could wipe out angelic allurement.
  This analogy discloses the cause and nature of death. The cause is cumulative fatigue. A decelerating vehicle has to cease. Death is ceasing of the body-vehicle on its way. Death isn’t the end, isn’t the destruction of the body-vehicle.
  We are talking about the natural death, not the disastrous premature death.
  There is a good news awaiting : nature of death isn’t what it has been suspected to be. The boys enjoyed a consented contented siesta at the very instant of culmination of their mundane failure. So, death isn’t dreadful. It is consented and fetches ultimate contentment, because it liberates the organism from the terminating fatigue.
  Death is salvation insofar as it liberates organism from terminating fatigue. However, it isn’t so inasmuch as it induces irreversible sleep (eternal sleep).
  Pleasure or contentment accruing from sleep and muscular/ corporal rejuvenation falls into the category of ‘peace’. Thus death may be deemed to be a form of peace.
  Buddha took advantage of this doctrine and invented the theory of salvation there from. Obviously, the post-death heaven that Buddha promised to the blessed ones was the heaven of peace located at the center of entity’s corporeality. This heaven is the internal real heaven in the form of stabilized psyche. It is different from heaven of happiness, the external real heaven foreseen at the horizon of futurity in the form of a system of sustenance-conducive physical contrivances.
  Death is a form of sleep, true; but how does it become irreversible when other forms of sleep are reversible?
  This is quite simple to apprehend. Outer grosser body muscles may be deemed to have become completely fatigued by day-end because of day-long hard work. When the outer grosser muscles sleep, the inner finer organs perform as their rejuvenators and wake them up at the end of rejuvenation process. What would happen when even the innermost organs viz. brain, heart, kidney etc are terminally fatigued? There will be no rejuvenators to rejuvenate and wake them up. The body then will enter an unending/ irreversible sleep called death.
  How would the organism transcend death to achieve eternal life?
  Here comes the case of deep fatigue-sensing instinct. How could the body be unaware of cumulative fatigue that would be smothering life continually and increasingly? And what would be the corresponding protracted-profound dream/wish?
  Naturally, a protracted-profound desire for corporal reproduction (seeded reproduction) and genetic afterlife would sprout within the entity to precipitate into respective deep instinct. Thus only the organism could achieve a real eternal life.
  Are there any alternative ways of transcending death and achieving afterlife? Haven’t we heard of flying souls that purportedly depart from the dying body at the death-point to be harbored in another body (that would be designated as its rebirth)? Has flying soul ever been a possibility?
  Check out these analogs against body and soul. The flame and its light. The pillar and its shadow. The eye and its sight-feeling. Does light ever leave the flame? Does shadow ever leave the pillar? Does sight-feeling ever leave the eye (sight-organ)? Does soul ever leave its body?
  The light shrinks to zero when its flame shrinks to zero, true; but this is not to make us say that shrinking of light is same as its departing. So, story of flying soul couldn’t be a true myth, a piece of consistent thinking. It is a false myth, a piece of absurd thinking.
  This is vindicated by a reasonable definition of soul. Soul is integral feeling of sum of all abilities of body. Feeling is inseparable from body. So is soul.
  Summing up, we have these results. Death is always a consented and contented personal event, akin to sleep. Death is transcended by corporal reproduction. Offspring is the afterlife.
  What about salvation? Isn’t it in any way connected to the phenomenon of death? Yes. But that is another story.
  (Bhanu Padmo)
  http://www.bhanupadmo.com
  You may reply this thread upon http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/greenlogic/ as well
  or consign a copy to greenlogic@yahoogroups.co.in for extended discussions.
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