The Islamic State, apostasy and ‘real Muslims’

Many people today deny that the violent and fanatical Islamic State or ISIL/ISIS is actually Islamic. Appalled by its horrendous crimes against humanity, political and religious leaders and members of the public alike have been scrambling to claim that “the Islamic State isn’t really Islamic.” Muslims who deny ISIL’s members as “real Muslims” are engaging in what is called in Islam takfir, the act of one Muslim accusing another Muslim of apostasy or being an “infidel.” Those Muslims who make such accusations are called takfiri, as described in the Wiki article on “Takfir“:

In principle the only group authorised to declare a member of an Abrahamic religion a kafir (“infidel”) is the ulema, and this is only done once all the prescribed legal precautions have been taken. However, a growing number of splinter Wahhabist/Salafist groups, classified by some scholars as Salafi-Takfiris, have split from the orthodox method of establishing takfir through the processes of the Sharia law. They have reserved the right to declare apostasy against any Muslim, in addition to non-Muslims.

Takfiris…condone acts of violence as legitimate methods of achieving religious or political goals…. A takfiri’s mission is to re-create the Caliphate according to a literal interpretation of the Qur’an.

The latter paragraph describes the Islamic State (ISIL/ISIS) perfectly, as does the next:

Takfiris believe in Islam strictly according to their interpretation of Muhammad’s and his companions’ actions and statements, and do not accept any deviation from their path; they reject any reform or change to their interpretation of religion as it was revealed in the time of the prophet. Those who change their religion from Islam to any other way of life, or deny any of the fundamental foundations of Islam, or who worship, follow or obey anything other than Islam, become those upon whom the takfiris declare the “takfir”, calling them apostates from Islam and so no longer Muslim.

Will anyone declaring the Islamic State is “not really Islamic” stand before these takfiris and accuse them of apostasy? Will you sentence them all to death?

According to at least one source (Trevor Stanley), the precedent “for the declaration of takfir against a leader'”came from Medieval Islamic scholar Taqi al-Din Ibn Taymiyyah, who issued a famous fatwa declaring jihad against invading Mongols. This was not because they were invading but because they were apostates, apostasy from Islam being punishable by death.

Like jihadis, takfiri groups advocate armed struggle against the secular regime

Moreover, suicide bombing or other violent act that brings about one’s own death is a legitimate practice of takfiris such as the Islamic State members:

Takfiris believe that one who deliberately kills himself whilst attempting to kill enemies is a martyr (shahid) and therefore goes straight to heaven.

So much for “peaceful Islam” and the “greater jihad,” which represents mere “inner struggle.” Takfiri Islamists cannot live peacefully with secularism and nonbelief. They must fight it – and violently, engaging in “lesser jihad” or “struggle against those who do not believe in the Islamic God (Allah) and do not acknowledge the submission to Muslims, and so is often translated as ‘Holy War’…”

The takfiris‘ violence thus is not a “defense,” except that they feel secularism or nonbelief is an offense. Hence, all it takes for these fanatics to be violent is the mere existence of nonbelievers.

Being a takfiri (or jihadi) Muslim, therefore, means eternal declaration of war against nonbelievers, regardless of whether or not the latter have done anything overtly to the ummah or global Muslim community.

Thus, the “blowback” excuse proffered by “progressive liberals” and “leftists” for Islamist aggression is fallacious. The only “provocation” these violent fanatics require is non-adherence to their literal, fundamentalist brand of Islam, which is why they are currently engaging in wholesale genocide not only of non-Muslims but also of other Muslims, whom these takfiris consider to be kuffar (infidels/apostates) and munafiqun or “hypocrites.”

Baghdadi the Islamic State caliph isn't a 'real Muslim?'Who is a ‘real Muslim?’

If the Islamic State is not really Islamic, we encounter the problem of defining who is a “real Muslim.” It is widely claimed there are at least 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, a figure held up often by Muslim devotees as a show of strength and for purposes of intimidation. However, over the years I have been told repeatedly by many Muslims and ex-Muslims that MILLIONS of human beings forced to call themselves “Muslim” would like to leave Islam but they cannot, under fear of punishment, including possibly the death penalty for apostasy. In any event, we can remove millions of potential apostates from that figure of 1.5 billion.

Some Muslims also claim the fundamentalist Saudis do not represent “real” Islam and that Saudi Arabia is not “really” a Muslim country, even though its citizenship is 100% Muslim. If the Saudis are not “real” Muslims, then we likewise must remove 30 million people from the 1.5 billion figure tossed around of supposed Muslims in the world.

Next come all others influenced by Saudi-style Wahhabism and Salafism, such as the Kuwaitis, Yemenis, UAE citizens and many others globally – that’s hundreds of millions more, potentially most of the Sunnis, in fact. Remove them from the global Muslim total.

How about the Shia Muslims as found in Syria, Iraq, Iran and other places? That would be possibly 200 million people removed from the Muslim count, since they are not “real” Muslims, according to the Sunnis.

The Ahmadis? Remove their millions from the count. Ditto with Boko Haram, al Qaeda, Jamaat ul-Fuqra, al Shabaab, the Islamic State and thousands of other heretical or extremist groups, totaling millions more.

By the time we come up with “real” Muslims according to everyone’s standards, there are not so many left in the world, far less than 1.5 billion.

By these standards, we cannot say that Islam is the second largest religion in the world, since Buddhists and Hindus would dwarf these ten to few hundred million “real” Muslims.

In any event, declaring all of these Muslims to be apostates is the act of takfir, and one must be prepared to take responsibility for this declaration, which is not supposed to be made lightly or by lay persons and which can bring with it the death penalty.

Further Reading
What is the ummah?
The Truth About Islam
Tom Holland: We must not deny the religious roots of Islamic State

Reza Aslan on ISIS, ISIL, Islamic StateIslamic State doctrine comes from the QuranISISvsQuran-vi1isisquranisisquran


  1. Further Reading

    Maryam Namazie/CEMB</b<

    Siding with Oppressor: The Pro-Islamist Left-
    Enemies Not Allies: The Far Right-

    Sam Harris

    After Charlie Hebdo and Other Thoughts (A Must Listen) or listen to iTunes
    Lifting the Veil of Islamophobia

    Karima Bennoune
    When People of Muslim heritage challenge fundamentalism (must watch)

    1. Those 13 Doctrines are right out of The Brother’s of Zion Handbook. It’s just too creepy how all the puzzle pieces always fall together as one continuing saga. Certainly doesn’t bode well for anything that may resemble any change any time soon or anytime at all….

  2. The Sufis would say that the inner struggle is the most difficult of all. To abandon one’s ego, by the way of love, so that one can see the truth [god] is a hard task indeed.
    a long,long way away from what is happening now.

  3. The use of the term “takfiri” is confusing, because you say that muslims who accuse other muslims of ‘not being real muslims’ are takfiri.

    The extract says that “Takfiris… condone acts of violence,” which is precisely what many of the muslims who denounce ISIL *don’t* condone.

    The extract goes further to say that, “A takfiri’s mission is to re-create the Caliphate according to a literal interpretation of the Qur’an.” Again, many muslims that you suggest are takfiris don’t share this mission.

    1. Sounds like they’re all takfiris, pointing the finger at each other. But some are worse than others, like the Islamic State and other fundies whose interpretation of a “real Muslim” is very narrow, applicable only to other strict fundamentalists. That’s what the word takfiris apparently refers to here.

  4. It is amazing how few people have read the Qur’an. It is clear that the Qur’an is a manual, written by and assembled by Muhammad’s close companions, to have Islam prevail over all other religions. History proves that soon after Muhammad’s death in 632 CE, the first 4 caliphs conquered many countries and established an Islamic Theocratic Empire. Muslims, be they extremists or not, are all taught from the Qur’an and are brainwashed. Go to and read, “Allah, We, Our and Us” to learn the truth about Islam and the Qur’an. You can read this book as a free read.

  5. Excellent article, and a very good way to highlight the “no true scotsman” fallacy and the dangerous problems it causes within Islam.

  6. What do you expect from the established political parties who have let millions of Muslims immigrate to western countries over the last 60 years? If they admitted that there is something seriously wrong with Islam they would discredit themselves. A good satire about these religious lunatics and useless politicians is available for free:

  7. The same can be said of Christianity. Those who are less fundamentalist in their beliefs have denied the faith and do not follow the teachings of their own Bibles. I have argued this point with many believers that I once fellowshipped with and they always use the excuse that they follow the New Testament, not the Old. I like to ask them why they use a book that they believe less than half of it?! And why do they support Israel if their religion (of the Old Testament) is obsolete? Religion makes no sense.

    1. I didn’t know that Christians were averaging killing 2,000-5,000 people per month like the Muslims. And, where have they perpetrated their 25,386+ deadly terror attacks in the name of Christianity since 9/11 while shouting “Jesus Saves”? Just wondering, you know, since the same can be said of Christianity.

    2. Thanks for sharing, Doug. I have also left Christianity after spending most of my earlier years so dedicated to what I thought was the “only religion”. Christianity’s teachings on eternal hell for those who don’t follow it are so psychologically damaging to many insecure people who come into the movement looking for guidance as I did. That doctrine keeps people stuck in it just as surely as the threat of death for leaving like we have in Islam. I have a website based on the book I wrote on the subject if you’d like to take a look. I’m still working on the site but it’s coming along.

    3. ok,but the christians arent out to murder NON BELIEVERS man,wake up huh?,also,in the koran,its specifically says “you must lie to forward the muslim religion at all costs” check it yourself,and stop being a bleeding heart for muslims. im not saying all muslims are bad,the religion itself is the problem! it is a violent and repressive religion.

  8. I really enjoyed your article. The supporting information was outstanding. Thanks so much for your hard work.

    1. Thank you for your kind regards, Edward. I’m glad you found my article edifying and appreciate my hard work!

  9. Yes all the atrocity committed by ISIS and the like have their roots in the Quran; but then these are based on the teachings in the Torah. Read what Jehovah taught the Jews to do and which are all recorded in the Mosaic Laws! The Christians too followed some of these laws such as torturing and burning of heretics. Judaism and Christianity have evolved but it means that the Islamic extremists are actually truer to their God.

    1. This is the 21st Century, Tio.

    2. not true,they are more true to their BOOK,not their god.

  10. In response to the religious insanity being played out before us in the mass media frenzy I say this,hold onto your hats!!!!!We as a species, seem to follow this behavior time and time again.The main player is and has always been Religion and our attempt at pleasing the gods or in this case one Abrianic god.The answer to our situation is simple, provide free education to every man,woman and child on the planet and in ten years or maybe less, the number of fully conscience persons on the planet will far outweigh the ingnorant and we can come together as intelligent non religious individuals and communities and begin to build an amazing world for our children and generations to follow

    1. Very good response Joe. Education can dispel much ignorance. However, education can also lead people in the wrong path of knowledge. All education needs to emphasize integrity and truth. In ancient Egypt Truth was a fundamental attribute that was instilled in the education of their pharaohs. A history of why Egypt’s religious beliefs were emulated by the Judaic, Christian and Islamic religions is presented in “Future of God Amen” An overview and book reviews are provided on http//

      1. This reply is resubmitted due to an error.
        Very good response Joe. Education can dispel much ignorance. However, education can also lead people in the wrong path of knowledge. All education needs to emphasize integrity and truth. In ancient Egypt Truth was a fundamental attribute that was instilled in the education of their pharaohs. A history of why Egypt’s religious beliefs were emulated by the Judaic, Christian and Islamic religions is presented in “Future of God Amen” An overview and book reviews are provided on

    2. How are your unicorns and moonbeams?

    We must not deny the religious roots of Islamic State

    Its jihadis call for a global caliphate. So why deny religion drives Isis?

    1. Only poor logic denies that ISIS is not Islamic. It is made up of Muslims that adhere to the Qur’an. An extremist Muslim and a moderate Muslim read the same book – the Qur’an. The difference between the two is one believes in the Qur’an more strongly than the other. Read why the Qur’an is a manual. It advocates that Islam is the religion of truth and will prevail over all other religions. This manual has been successfully used to indoctrinate Muslims that separates them from other people breeding hatred, bigotry, violence and the killing of innocent people who disbelieve in Allah. A free read of “Allah, We, Our and Us” can be accessed on:

    2. And what “religion” might that be? Yes, say it!

  12. I am horrified by the poison written in this website but adding to this, the material provided is either totally wrong, misinterpreted or taken from God knows where.
    First and foremost, I’d like to make my point clear about these Western made, armed and financed using your own tax money while you are asleep and thinking of course. You people are known for being well educated and free thinking nations, while main stream media and governments alike plain with you like one plays with puppets, I am very impressed.
    However, like many Muslims in the world, the majority of us are against these devils who are simply fulfilling the US/Zionist agenda in the region and the majority of those killed in the past 4 hellish years were Muslims. Can you please let this sink into your conditioned brainwashed heads?
    The name of “Islamic state” was given by your own governments to this group of 30000 pea brains in order to magnify the problem and insert fear into your hearts.
    Have you ever wondered why these very creatures called Islamic, never bothered to fight some of the most despotic rulers in the world like Golf Arab governments who are squandering oil revenues lef, right and center? Has it ever crossed your mind why these very Islamic thugs never tried to establish an Islamic state in the very heart of Saudi Arabia which is the center of Islam due to the house of Adam and Abraham? But no, you don’t ask these sort of questions, you just follow the ongoing trend as dictated by your corrupt, deceptive and double sided media. Especially by people like Sam Harris who don’t see this topic as fun but dedicate hundred of hours writing and talking about it. The poison this man produces is more than the snake can produce all together.
    Anyway, coming back to the very reason I am providing a feedback is on the false deliberate given interpretations of Quranic verses to once again jump on the bandwagon to hammer Islam.
    My answers are marked with “Ans.” and yours preceded by “YC:” at the start of the sentence meaning your comments:
    YC: 2:191. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah (discord) is worse than killing.
    Ans.: The above verse mentions clearly those who “have expelled you” which is in the past and it is specifically against the Quraish Arabs who were at war against Muslims since the very beginning.
    YC: 3: 28. Let not believers take disbelievers as friends rather than believers.
    Ans.: It doesn’t say “friends”, it says “Allies…” and these are two different things. I suppose I don’t need to explain this verse seeing how the Western world is investing everything it has to halt any development in the Islamic world or the 1/3 world as a whole or as a matter of fact destroy whatever is left over from the past heritage.
    YC: 3:85. Any religion other than Islam isn’t acceptable???
    Verse translation below:
    3:85 Say, “We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him.”
    Ans.: The Quran considers the teaching of Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob & the descendants including Jesus as nothing than Islam pure and simple. Their teaching was monotheistic until 325 CE when the Romans introduced the trinity because it a carbon copy of their old religion. From that date onward, Roman Catholics started killing all the Christians who believed in one God and Jesus His Prophet. This continued in Europe until 19th or 20th century. For this reason the Dutch were all sentenced to death by the church and supported by the king of Spain.
    YC: 5:33. Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam???
    Verse translation below:
    5:33. Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.
    Ans.: These are not only infidels but they were wild Arabs who massacred, tortured, raped, cut Muslims in pieces and committed the worse crimes one can imagine. But using criticise magnifies the topic considerably for those who don’t know of course. I’ll come to you on this one with bible verses in case you never read your book (I am assuming you are Christians).
    YC: 8:12. Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Quran???
    Verse translation below:
    8:12. [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”
    8:13. That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger – indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.
    Ans.: Where does it say “Cast terror and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Quran” I wonder? It shows how thorough is your homework, ignorance and blind hatred from start to finish.
    YC: 8:60. Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels??
    Verse translation below:
    8:60. [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”
    Ans.: This again is about pagans who fought or fight Muslims and your bible is 1000 times worse when it comes to fighting the enemies of God. This will be my next contribution to prove your lies and deception.
    YC: 8:65. The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them???
    Verse translation below:
    8:65. O Prophet, urge the believers to battle. If there are among you twenty [who are] steadfast, they will overcome two hundred. And if there are among you one hundred [who are] steadfast, they will overcome a thousand of those who have disbelieved because they are a people who do not understand.
    YC: 9:5. When an opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them???
    Verse translation below:
    9:5. And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah (alms or religious tax), let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
    Ans.: The above verses again mention a period where the battle was against Quraish Arab tribes and in self-defence because it was always them who attacked first. Please educate yourself before you write nonsense.
    YC: 9:123. Make war on the infidels living in your neighbourhood???
    Verse translation below:
    9:123. O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.
    Ans.: Ditto for the above verse…
    YC: 47:4. Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them???
    Verse translation below:
    47:4. So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favour afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah – never will He waste their deeds.
    Ans.: Do not hanker for peace with those who keep fighting you, yes sir. Do you have anything different in the bible?
    YC: 65: 4. You can rape, marry and divorce pre-pubescent girls???
    Verse translation below:
    65:4. And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women – if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah – He will make for him of his matter ease.
    Ans.: But this is about divorce waiting period as the verse prior to the above clearly sets the conditions:
    65:2. And when they have [nearly] fulfilled their term, either retain them according to acceptable terms or part with them according to acceptable terms. And bring to witness two just men from among you and establish the testimony for [the acceptance of] Allah. That is instructed to whoever should believe in Allah and the Last day. And whoever fears Allah – He will make for him a way out

    YC: 4:3, 4:24, 5:89, 33:50, 58:3, 70:30. You can enslave for sex and work???
    Verse translations below:
    4:3. And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].
    4:24. And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.
    5:89. Allah will not impose blame upon you for what is meaningless in your oaths, but He will impose blame upon you for [breaking] what you intended of oaths. So its expiation is the feeding of ten needy people from the average of that which you feed your [own] families or clothing them or the freeing of a slave. But whoever cannot find [or afford it] – then a fast of three days [is required]. That is the expiation for oaths when you have sworn. But guard your oaths. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be grateful.
    33:50. O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

    58:3. And those who declare their wives unlawful to them and then [wish to] go back on what they said – then [there must be] the freeing of a slave before they touch one another. That is what you are admonished thereby; and Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

    70:30. Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they are not to be blamed –
    Ans.: I think you may have been confused with some bible verses from the old Testament which I will send with my next input.
    YC: 4:34. You can beat sex slaves, work slaves and wives???
    Verse translation below (contains serious interpretation errors):
    4:34 Men are in charge of women by [right of]* what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient**, guarding in [the husband’s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance*** – [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them #. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
    Better interpretation:
    *= Men are the protectors and maintainers of women
    ** = Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah)
    *** = But those wives who are guilty of lewdness
    # = and [finally], separate from or leave them
    Ans.: Unfortunately this verse even the majority of Muslims interprets it wrong but surely this doesn’t matter to you because your aim isn’t to learn about the truth but to oppress it to inject your venom into the hearts of those unaware of who speaks the truth.
    YC: 24:4. You will need 4 Muslim male witnesses to prove a rape???
    24:4. And those who accuse chaste women and then do not produce four witnesses – lash them with eighty lashes and do not accept from them testimony ever after. And those are the defiantly disobedient
    Ans.: Again, I am horrified by the quality and falsehood of your input, shame on you.
    YC: 9:29. Kill Jews and Christians if they do not convert or pay jizya tax???
    Prior to above:
    9:28. O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-Haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise.
    Then to the verse in question:
    9:29. Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah tax willingly while they are humbled.
    Ans.: Again this related to a very specific event against Quraishit Arab tribes and it has nothing to do with Jews and Christians. The Quran doesn’t call Jews and Christians, unbelievers but the people of the book.
    YC: 8:12. Crucify and Amputate non-Muslims???
    Verse translation below:
    8:12. [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”
    Ans.: Ditto as above.
    YC: 9:111. You will kill non-Muslims to receive 72 virgins in heaven???
    Verse translation below:
    9:111. Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur’an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted and it is that which is the great attainment.
    Ans.: Where are 72 virgins I wonder but FYI, “Hurries” as mentioned in the Quran are servants of the dwellers of Paradise and not virgins as interpreted by some Muslims.
    YC: 2:217, 4:89. You will kill anyone who leaves Islam???
    Verse translation below:
    2:217: They ask you about the sacred month – about fighting therein. Say, “Fighting therein is great [sin], but averting [people] from the way of Allah and disbelief in Him and [preventing access to] al-Masjid al-Haram and the expulsion of its people therefrom are greater [evil] in the sight of Allah . And fitnah is greater than killing.” And they will continue to fight you until they turn you back from your religion if they are able. And whoever of you reverts from his religion [to disbelief] and dies while he is a disbeliever – for those, their deeds have become worthless in this world and the Hereafter, and those are the companions of the Fire, they will abide therein eternally.
    Ans.: Verse prior to 4:89 shows the focus is on the Quraish Arab tribes fighting the Muslims for nearly a decade.
    4:88. What is [the matter] with you [that you are] two groups concerning the hypocrites, while Allah has made them fall back [into error and disbelief] for what they earned. Do you wish to guide those whom Allah has sent astray? And he whom Allah sends astray – never will you find for him a way [of guidance].
    4:89. They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.

    YC: 8:1. Steal from non-Muslims (booty/spoils of war???
    8:1. They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the bounties [of war]. Say, “The [decision concerning] bounties is for Allah and the Messenger.” So fear Allah and amend that which is between you and obey Allah and His Messenger, if you should be believers.
    Ans.: Since when the booty or spoils of war are stealing and especially when they come to kill you in your ground?
    YC: 3:26, 3:54, 9:3, 16:106, 40:28. Lie to strengthen Islam???
    3:26 has no relation to the topic, you may refer to verse 3:28:
    3:28. Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah , except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination.
    Ans.: Are you wondering that God let people in case of death deny that they believe on Him, knowing what’s in their heart? However, it’s your own decision if you want to die by disclosing your faith but God isn’t forcing you to.
    3:54. And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.
    16:106. Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief… except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah, and for them is a great punishment
    40:28. And a believing man from the family of Pharaoh who concealed his faith said, “Do you kill a man [merely] because he says, ‘My Lord is Allah ‘ while he has brought you clear proofs from your Lord? And if he should be lying, then upon him is [the consequence of] his lie; but if he should be truthful, there will strike you some of what he promises you”. Indeed, Allah does not guide one who is a transgressor and a liar.
    Ans.: The above verse is about a believing man from Pharaoh who concealed his faith to others. I can’t see where on earth you came up with this verse to back your statement.

    1. I’m horrified that anyone would ignore the important points in my article in order to defend the same religious fanaticism that has been spread through violence to countless places globally, to the tune of some 270 million dead in the name of Islam – and that’s just non-Muslims!

      However, like many Muslims in the world, the majority of us are against these devils who are simply fulfilling the US/Zionist agenda in the region and the majority of those killed in the past 4 hellish years were Muslims. Can you please let this sink into your conditioned brainwashed heads?

      I’m frankly appalled that my taxpayer money would go to arming such vile religious fanatics, whether or not it was intentional. However, these “devils” are fulfilling Islamic agenda in the region. If Islam didn’t exist, they wouldn’t exist. The Sunni Islamic State is doing what Sunni fanatics have been doing for 1,400 years, long before the existence of the United States and the modern founding of Israel. Can you get that throughout your “brainwashed head?”

      In the meantime, why is the region nearly devoid of non-Muslims, such that there are mostly Muslims being slaughtered by these “devils?” There is a reason why there are 25 countries that are 90-100% Muslim – and it isn’t because Islam is a delightful ideology that everyone wants to follow. The Islamic State had nothing to do with the establishment of these and the other two dozen or more Muslim-dominant countries. It was intolerant Islam itself that has led to this highly bigoted situation.

      The nitpicking of the verses is irrelevant, especially to the Islamic State, which is following the Koran literally. If you are engaging in takfir to claim that the Islamic State is not Islamic, you will need to tell THEM that. Good luck with that.

      By the way, I didn’t create those images – others did, so they’re not “your comments.” We do not endorse any errors that may be in them. That being said, there are plenty of infidelophobic and violent verses in the Koran, so this point is moot.

      P.S. Your attack on the very truthful Sam Harris is simply creepy: “The poison this man produces is more than the snake can produce all together.” The “poison” is Islam, which includes the following utterly disgusting doctrines – these are what Harris is criticizing. You are playing dumb, and it’s very unattractive.


      Honor killings
      Burning infidels alive
      Supremacy/global domination
      Limb amputations
      Genital mutilation
      Death to apostates
      Forced conversion
      Sex slavery and rape
      Women enslavement
      Wife beating
      Child marriage/rape
      Brutality against homosexuals
      Bigotry and hatred
      Robbery and pillage
      Extortion of nonbelievers
      Persecution and/or death for blasphemy/atheism
      Animal cruelty
      Prohibition of music/singing
      Destruction of pre-Islamic antiquities

      1. I WAS ALWAYS IN AGREEMENT the beautiful mind called ACHARYA.She SPEAKS THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WITH

      2. The problem with the Qur’an was that it was written in a setting where war was the norm and peace was the abnormal. It constantly deals with aggression because aggression was the norm of the day. Just look at any history and you’ll see even before Muhammed’s existence, Arabia experienced war after war. (I recommend Lesley Hazleton, “The First Muslim” – which describes Muhammed’s life in context, it’s still HIGHLY critical of him though).

        When you read the Qur’an, you’re essentially hearing only one side of the rabble-rousing. But if you look at the sirah, you’ll see that Muhammed is constantly getting invaded, betrayed, and poisoned. Again, this was the norm of the day.

        I’m hoping that in the future the Qur’an can be censored and re-interpreted to conform to the norms of a new society where peace is the norm and war is the abnormal. Once we moderate Islam like Christianity was moderated, THEN we can go on to the next step of historical analysis and eventually enlightenment.

        1. There’s no “other side of the rabble-rousing.” The Koran is foul. Who gives a rat’s ass whether or not the beastly Mohammed was “constantly getting invaded, betrayed, and poisoned” – he’s a damnable child rapist!

    2. Wow, I’m impressed. Did you do that all by yourself or did your husband beat you first?

    3. Thank you beautiful soul. Your response to this hateful, ignorant and deceiving article is simply wonderful. It is a shame that instead of engaging in an conversation with you, they try to insult, ignore your facts and simply continue to lie.

  13. Hello Dahmane, you are a poorly educated Muslim who has not read the Qur’an line-by-line. To truly understand that the Qur’an is a manual for religious leaders to indoctrinate their followers you need to read, Allah, We, Our and Us. You will learn that the Qur’an was written and assembled by Muhammad’s companions to establish a world empire. This is clearly written in the Qur’an for it advocates Islam is the “true” religion and will prevail over all other religions.
    Until the Qur’an is revised to include God’s greatest Command “Love one another” Muslims will never be able to integrate themselves with the vales of other countries. Visit the following link to obtain a free read of Allah, We, Our and Us:

  14. Surely the moral thing to do is to call for a worldwide ban on all religions that teach that God wants His followers to kill, rape, beat, enslave or pillage others and not just to just selectively criticize one religion over another – especially as the Bible teaches the very same thing. If one religion is allowed to get away with teaching that God hates people from other religions it legitimizes all other religions to teach the very same thing in retaliation and the result is we have never ending wars.

    I can only repeat what the Pet Parrot said when Jackie Chan goes to steal the Holy Grail:-“Jesus is Watching!”
    And it turned out that Jesus was the Ferocious Big Dog.

  16. I am an ex Muslim with a seriously long axe to grind. I was born into a Muslim home. As the eldest child i was supposed to carry the religious ideals of the home and before i knew how to say Papa i was sent to a Quranic teacher who taught me how to read in Arabic and re-sight the Quran. I was also taught how to pray etc. I live in Fiji and we are a largely secular state where western education is widely taught and compulsory.Thank heavens for this as i was also sent to a normal school. By the time i was 13 years old i was brainwashed into believing that the sun literally shown out of the butcher of Mecca (Mohammeds) ASS.I was an Imam by than and led about 50 grown men in prayer. I was taught that Islam was “it” and everyone else was either to be converted or to be seen as almost subhuman this despite the fact that Fiji Muslims are regarded as very moderate. Fortunately for me i have an inquiring mind and by the time i started high school many questions regarding my faith started coming to mind. As i started earning for myself and moved away from the controls of my parents these questions started bothering me more and more. I eventually sat down and read the Quran in English to understand it better and its supporting Hadiths and by the end if it all was so pissed that i had wasted a significant part of my life believing in this load of crap. For the life of me i could not understand how anyone in his or her right mind could follow let alone treat someone like Mohammed as almost a demi God. Quite frankly i was ashamed and a part of me still is for being such a fool. I soon started researching religion and it was not long before i found this website and many others like it which helped to clear a lot of the questions that i had. While i am not an Atheist as i do believe that their are too many unexplained phenomenons in this world to discount a creator i will happily admit that i simply do not know.What i do know is that the sooner organized stupidity which some call religion is removed from this world the better. I do hold a particular disdain for the religion of Islam as i believe that it is as evil as it gets. It is as i like to put it Christianity on steroids. There is nothing rational or peaceful about it and anybody saying it is is deluded and in need of serious help.

    1. Thank you so much for sharing with us. I have taken the liberty of reproducing your comments as a blog post, found here:

      Your words are a big hit already!

  17. Acharya S. Wonder if you have pondered upon the sudden emergence of ISIS from nowhere? I believe it is mostly a geo-political phenomenon and global power game. It has not much to do with Islam except that some powers are exploiting the 1400 year old Shia/Sunni dispute.

  18. I am wondering what happened to the wonderful Muslim world that actually existed many, many centuries ago, during the time of great trade with the Arabs. It seemed a world of culture and the arts.

    Was it The Crusades that initiated this, or something else?

    Who knows? One thing is for sure, though, ALL of the current Muslim terror organisations that exist have one thing in common. They were created out of the remnants of the Mujahideen that the US created in Afghanistan in the 1970s to fight the Soviets. Your CIA armed them, trained them and set them free. Osama was there back then and Al Qaeda was a shining example of how well they were trained. The many splinter groups that now exist have ALL been formed as breakaways from this original model. Many of the members of such groups have had direct contact with men who fought in that time and teachings are handed down.

    Americans might not like to hear this, but unfortunately you reap what you sow. Your foreign policy with regards to Muslim nations is a disgrace. To be honest, with regards to ALL nations it is a disgrace…….oh except Israel. My but the pro-Israel lobby is strong in the US.

    If the US did not invade a sovereign nation, Iraq, for shameful reasons, the region would not be in such a predicament. Yes, Saddam Hussein was a nasty man. So what? If that is the justification for an invasion, then why not go into some of the African nations with similar dictators as leaders?

    So let’s be clear on the WHY fighting in this region is SO important to anyone in the West. It is a little three letter word……OIL! It always has been and always will be.

    Take a look at the current batch or Russia bashing and Venezuela bashing going on in the Western media. Want to know why? Both countries control vast amounts of oil and neither will play ball with the US. For God’s sake, the US ousted Chavez through their usually sneaky CIA ways, only to find the Venezuelan people put him back in. And now all the misinformation published about the conflict in the Ukraine has everyone believing Russia is now the new enemy of freedom. Well, old/new enemy! Time to wake up and smell the oil.

    The Western media may beat the ISIL/ISIS conflict up as some heroic effort by the Western nations to help poor suffering people in the region be rid of a nasty terror threat in ISIL/ISIS, but that is bollocks. ALL Western nations involved in the ongoing conflict in the Middle East are doing so for one of two reasons. The first is to maintain the flow of the precious oil to countries where it is so desperately needed. The second is, that while ever there is conflict in the region, particularly with Muslim against Muslim nation, than israel sleeps more soundly.

    For me, I am pretty over the region as a whole and have been for so long. Is there actually anything that the entire region produces that actually benefits anyone in the world? Ever since I was a teenager I have been hearing about peace talks between the Israeli’s and the Palestinian’s and ever since then Israel has squeezed ever more tightly until now we have what can only be termed “apartheid” existing. That in itself is a disgrace that nobody does anything about, but we love to jump on board a bandwagon when it comes to beat up fights against Muslim terror groups.

    Please, let’s not dress up what is happening now in Syria and Northern Iraq as some just assistance from the West.

    Want to know who the two biggest terror organisations are in the world? The US and Israel. Deal with it!

    1. Your anti-American screed generalizing Americans and blaming us mere citizens for all of this atrocity is little better than saying “All Muslims are terrorists.” Your remarks are frankly egregious and not appreciated.

      Americans might not like to hear this, but unfortunately you reap what you sow. Your foreign policy with regards to Muslim nations is a disgrace. To be honest, with regards to ALL nations it is a disgrace… Want to know who the two biggest terror organisations are in the world? The US and Israel. Deal with it!

      Oh, baloney. Americans are not of one mind, and many of us also object to the atrocious foreign policies that are continued happily by OBAMA. As this very article demonstrates, these policies are assuredly not the cause, however, of Islamic terrorism, which dates back 1,400 years, long before the U.S. or modern Israel even existed. Some 270 million human beings have been slaughtered in the name of Islam, based on Islamic doctrine. Whether or not some funding or support has occurred directly or indirectly by the West, the Islamic State is based on ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM. It’s really quite simple: No Islam, no Islamic State.

      “Our” foreign policy in regard to the rest of the world is a “disgrace?” Oh, really? Where do you live? Chances are, you are benefiting nicely from American foreign policy.

      Americans spend billion$ on charity and foreign aid every year, including to the “Palestinians.”

      U.S. Foreign Aid

      1. oh please! wake up, it ain`t OBAMA it`s your industrial military complex AND big oil AND international banking cartel, that all support BOTH of your political parties, so regardless who is in the power, nothing changes!!!
        I have NOTHING against U.S. citizens or so called americans, but U.S. government (regardless which party rules) allways was, is AND will be disgrace!!!
        AND one more thing it AIN`T ABOUT OIL… ti is about HEGEMONY OF PETRO-DOLLAR…

  19. This reply is for Reaaz and our Free Thought Nation readers.
    Thank you for sharing your experiences in being able to rise above the Islamic indoctrination you went through in your life. You give people in the free world hope that education is an answer for people to understand when they have been made fools of.
    Throughout my life I have always been interested in learning who was God? Having been brought up as a Catholic, I went to other churches of worship to learn about how Jews and Christians prayed. After reading books by religious scholars and highly respected Egyptologists, I began to “see” how mankind came to believe in one-universal God.
    Reaaz, your reply was encouraging to find that you were able to use your own mind to understand more about life. I invite you and readers on this website to visit the following link to learn why it is the Qur’an that is used as a manual to subjugate and indoctrinate Muslims. The Qur’an teaches followers to become bigots, violent, and murder innocent people who so not believe in Allah and his prophet Muhammad.
    For those of you who would like to learn what is in the Qur’an you may obtain a free read by going to the following link:
    Also, if you are interested in who I am, please visit the website:

  20. Mmm! “Americans are not of one mind” I should hope not, as some of those minds are decidedly poisonous. But the fact remains EVERY government of the US for the past 60+ years HAS been of one mind. They have manipulated the politics of the entire continent of South America for at least that long, backed rebels to oust legitimate governments when it suits. Terrorists that fight FOR the US are called Freedom Fighters. To take my comments, incorrectly judged to be anti-American, personally does seem a trifle thin-skinned to me, to say the least. I have no anti-American screed. I call the cards as I see them and call a spade a spade. UNlike the right-wing Western media which pushes only what governments want you to know. It’s funny, there used to be a time that the media was fair and balanced. Now it is difficult to find left-wing commentary anywhere. I am quite well-versed in US atrocities, subterfuge, espionage and acts of terrorism perpetrated in the last 100 years. There is such a dearth of literature out there, though not so much read by Americans.

    I actually live in Australia and our hands are certainly not clean in all of this, though I can’t think of any great benefits from US aid that we receive – well, none that is passed on to the average man in the street. The FTA agreement between our two nations hasn’t been that brilliant at this end. It is not so much our foreign policy that I am embarrassed by, though our treatment of refugees arriving here is utterly barbaric, just like the treatment of our first people.

    I quite enjoy reading your books and have seen many times when people have attacked what you say and write and your response is how amazed at how passionate and often quite nasty people can be in defence of the indefensible. I must say I am quite amazed that one who is so learned in one topic can be so blind with regards to her own nation and what they do. I love to read about them and open my mind to how disgraceful, yet untouchable a single nation can be. Guantanamo is simply outrageous and what occurred at Abu Graid at least as bad. There are so many books I could point you towards to document many, many more breaches of everything from human rights to murder, ignoring acts of genocide and assisting in some others. The litany of crimes against humanity is truly staggering.

    And as for “Islamic terrorism dated back 1,400 years”………that is more than covered by Christian terrorism and violence in the same period. The Crusades and later The Inquisitions were wonderful examples of Christian tolerance, weren’t they?

    But terrorism is not the same now, is it? Terrorism is not just killing people. That’s just murder. There needs to be the element of getting the message out so that the terror is almost palpable and can be felt. Like sending a message about a bomb planted in a building, so that people become frightened. Think also of Iraq once more and what was called ‘Shock and Awe’ in the illegal invasion of that nation. Wonderful title for a movie, isn’t it, though I doubt the US would like all the facts of that barbaric period in world history being widely known. They are certainly all out there to be read, but who wants to bother….right? Our mass media of today makes terrorism much more effective….on both sides of the coin, Muslim and non-Muslim.

    Yes, foreign aid to the Palestinians, what a wonderful paradox. That vindicates all the acts of murder perpetrated by Israel using US supplied helicopters and arms. It’s like dropping leaflets on the Iraqis informing them why they are being bombed and explaining that their leader is a maniacal despot, as if they didn’t already know. It certainly helped them to sleep more soundly at night in their crumbled homes.

    Do keep up your good writing, but do also try and educate yourself on many of the disgraceful acts perpetrated in the name of your country. I understand you don’t agree with what is necessarily done in the name of the US, but do seem to think that there is some benefit to US foreign aid. The term is often an oxymoron, as no aid is given without there first a need often caused by the US (I am ruling out natural disasters).

    You won’t find reading on the many heinous acts perpetrated by the US hard to come by, Robert Parry springs to mind, but also John Pilger. Even George Friedman from Stratfor (Stategic Forecasting, a US firm used by many governments around the world, including the US, to sift through what is happening in their region) writes some intriguing stuff. All are terrific at uncovering the truth about government acts and the lies that are designed to cover them up.


    1. Thanks, but I’m not interested in personal assessments like “thin skinned,” and I obviously disagree that your hyperbolic remarks constitute “calling a spade a spade.”

      It’s insulting to suggest that I “do also try and educate yourself on many of the disgraceful acts perpetrated in the name of your country.” I’m quite well aware of the history of the United States, probably far more so than you are, having live over a half a century of said history. I was studying the shenanigans of the CIA in the 1980s, before many critics were even born. Perhaps you should learn to differentiate better from the real United States government – WE THE PEOPLE – as opposed to the behaviors of individuals whom many of us never elected.

      Also, it’s not “my” country, as I am citizen of the world, but I am happy to live under a Constitution that gives me so many rights. If I lived in most other countries globally, I would not be who I am and would certainly not be doing what I am doing. There is no reason to generalize Americans or depict such a dark picture of the United States, which is one of the most successful cultural melting pots in history, for the precise reason of its great Constitution.

      If you would like to discuss “shadow governments” or operations outside of the realm of the will of the American people, that’s a different story, but your rhetoric is frankly over the top and imprecise. Your deflection off the hideousness of the Islamic State, under which people are suffering horrendously, by trying to make the United States look comparable remains egregious.

  21. Real good discussion you have going here, Acharia. I wrote you a few months ago asking if you were going to do a radio program on Islam. I recently renamed my website to help more people realize we are believing and behaving as we we were programmed to believe and we can change those beliefs, difficult as that may be. My book, To Heaven Through Hell, A Book About Challenging and Changing Destructive Religious Beliefs” focuses on the problems within Christianity, which are less obvious or extreme than the problems discussed here with Islam, but just as detrimental to individuals trying to think for themselves.

  22. There Is nothing Islamic about ISIS… Research the Khawarij and you will come to know the reality of who they are. The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said whomsoever kills they Khawarij or is killed by the Khawarij will be rewarded by God.

    The Prophet (PBUH) said, “Just before the end of time, young, idiotic people will rise. They will say words similar to (the good words) of the best people. They will recite the Quran, but it will not go beyond their throats. They will deviate from the religion as fast as an arrow pierces the game. If you meet them, kill them, for killing them will bring about a reward from Allah on the Day of Resurrection for whoever kills them.” [Al-Bukhari & Muslim].

    Stop spreading lie about Islam and actually do some research… educate yourself

  23. All I know is that most all of the religious killings in this world are by jihadists. they are killing fellow muslims as well. Its time the moderates rise up, fight back, denounce this crap. To me, there is only one true islamic faith, the Ahmadi Muslims. sadly, they are not accepted by mainstream muslims when in fact they are the True muslim and know how not to perverse the Holy Koran. Learn form them, maybe this world would be a better place. All the great religions can live in peace if we really wanted it to happen..

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