Jesus mythicists featured in Greek magazine

As of December 23, 2010, a Greek magazine, Phainomena, owned by one of Greece’s biggest newspapers, Eleutheros Typos, is running a new article by Minas Papageorgiou about Jesus mythicism that features me, D.M. Murdock, aka Acharya S! An accompanying TV commercial asks, “Who are the people who doubt Jesus’s historicity?”

Here is the commercial, and below that are images of the article, which includes a photo of me. If you can’t read Greek, here is Minas’s article in English.

The article is entitled, “The Current of the Mythicists.”

The text under my picture below says: “The modern mythicist D.M. Murdock (known also as Acharya S) is one of the group of authors who influenced the work of the creator of the famous documentary ‘ZEITGEIST 1,’ Peter Joseph.” Also, listed in the bibliography at the bottom right is my book The Christ Conspiracy.

Thank so much, Minas! Ευχαριστώ πολύ, Μηνά!

Further Reading

Mythicism and the Historicity of Jesus (the above article in English)
Interview of Acharya S by Minas Papageorgiou

33 Comments

  1. Wow, that is soooo cooool, congradulations!

  2. Publicity, Pro Bono Publicum.
    Dear Acharya,
    The truth shall out, the truth shall bring peace to the world eventually.
    Wishing you strength in your efforts to bring truth to the world.
    Regards, and warm greetings for a cold winter and for the new year.

  3. Translation
    Acharya S – this article is so iintriguing and I would love to read it in English. Is there anyway to get the entire article translated?

  4. Congradulations, Acharya!!!
    Congradulations! That’s a very beautiful and creatively designed magazine to have your work and photo in. Yes! and thank you to Acharya, Phainomena and Minas Papageorgiou.

    I’m also noticing a creative idea that they put on the front cover: those two tree ornaments, one of which the lady is about to hang on the tree. Could those tree ornaments be called Horusmas tree bulbs? Or, Osirismas tree bulbs? Or, Isismas tree bulbs? The names of those bulbs would sound more authentic if the “mas” were removed. I’m wondering what word could replace the “mas.” “Mas” tends to echo part of the name of that later false religion.

    Yet, Horusmas might work! Happy Horusmas!!!
    Give admiration and credit to all three: Happy HorusIsisOsirusmas!!!

  5. There is one thing the Jesus Conspiracy forget: The message of Jesus and his own example of life, that is the only importand thing. Jesus menssage is life, the only way to save humanity from his own and he give us example of it (sorry for my english I am spanish). He born poor he wasn’t a king o a God, he was always surronder by poor people, he leaves as poor people, he defended the sinner, he attack the sistem at that time, he born the poorest on earth, he die no only poor but on the cross like a criminal, all what he said is the most beautifull messange any one delivery to humanity and is imposible that few sailors could think that deep and have such of wisdom and one thousand thigs and can no explain here because I got difficultie with the lenguage.

    1. Carmen, the problem with that is that we actually have real people who have benefited society in ways Jesus never even came close. Where’s the appreciation for the lady who invented the first wheel, or sliced bread? The fact is that Jesus really isn’t a very good example; he’s just not someone who should be held in any high regard. Here’s an article written by a former Preacher of 20 years explaining it:

      Why Jesus? ([url]http://ffrf.org/publications/nontracts/Why-Jesus/[/url])

      We have real messages from real people who’ve really contributed to humanity. I cannot fool myself into believing in Jesus any longer and this is coming from a former Christian of many years.

    2. CARMEN

      Sorry you didn’t get the memo. Jesus and Satan play for the same team. They were made up by self declared masters to keep a population obedient submissive and willing to sacrifice themselves whenever their self declared masters (Royalty & Priests) needed.

      So why did Royalty and Priesthoods create Jesus as ” I was born a po’ white Jewish child” So that you would not reach for you own personal excellence as a human being. Then you would no be easy to control. You would easily see the lie, the greatest con ever sold. By fabricating the a po’ white child Jesus, your self declared masters (Royalty and Priesthoods) can keep you small, insignificant and unquestioning.

      How do you get a slave and master relationship going?
      Really easy if you think about it. One person decides he is of superior value to his fellow humans and declares himself master, then uses violence and deceit to secure that position. THe Bible is the deceit part of the simple process. And a suffering Jesus story serves your masters well.

      Now throw off the shackles and expand into the amazing magnificent human you can be.

      You will still be free to be kind loving and generous, but really, that whole “beauty of suffering” thing you do is going to cost you dearly.

      Slavery is so unbecoming to an amazing expanding point of creation such as yourself.

  6. Jesus Myth
    I know well that the Jesus story might really be a myth; what isn’t? But I would really question your timing. I know too you need to make a crust, but now the world appears to be entering a challenging time people need their myths more than ever, however ridiculous they might ultimately be. I mean the Jesus story isn’t actually a bad one is it? Once we’re through the challenge then would be the best time to sit calmly and analyse it all; not now!

    I say this because the very forces creating such challenge, may well be the very originators of the Jesus myth. The collapse of the Jesus myth (like the collapse of the Twin Towers) might be a planned staged event used to bring about a world of the Noahide Laws and its two-tier religious structure. Is that really so much better than a preacher of peace myth?

    1. Thank you. The planet is in a mess BECAUSE of these myths, which people cling to and harm others over.

      The TRUTH behind the myth is vitally important to CLEAN UP this horrible mess, so the timing of this information – which has been hidden by the elite – finally coming to light is in fact [i]crucial[/i].

      Attempting to mitigate our troubles by relying on the same falsehoods and myths that led to the problems in the first place is the[i] worst[/i] thing we could possibly do.

    2. Rupert Tiger: “But I would really question your timing. I know too you need to make a crust”

      You’ll have to take that to the magazine – it’s not her timing or crust as she had nothing to do with it. The world would be a better place if people stopped lying & trying to smear others.

      [b]There is no better time than the present.[/b]

  7. bnn
    theres 50 trillion planets god has one son he sends him to one planet

    1. Indeed there are countless other worlds, GOD is THE ALMIGHTY GOD..His ways are FAR BEYOND any in this hell/aka earth. IF there WAS a jesus, which is ludicrous…if he is a god of such an evil planet, I wouldn’t want him to be a god of mine. I CHOOSE the CREATOR of all, and HE wouldn’t want a myth to represent HIM!! Isaiah calls satan/lucifer the bright morning star. Revelation calls jesus the bright morning star. THEY are one, evil personified. catholic pope leo X said: this MYTH has served the church (religions) well. catholics/christians oughtta know, they WROTE the UNholy book. More evilness has been done in the name of ‘religions’ than any thing else.. what a crock they have fed to the masses, who EAGERLY swallowed it..

  8. “You insist that Jesus Christ did not live on this Earth despite overwhelming historical proof of his passage.”

    His “passage?” You mean his advent on Earth? Actually, no, there is not a shred of concrete, scientific evidence for the existence of “Jesus Christ” as we know him from the New Testament texts.

    On the contrary, the bulk of the evidence points to him being as mythical a figure as Hercules.

    If you’re thinking of Josephus, Pliny, Suetonius, Tacitus, et al., see here:

    Josephus Forgery on Jesus ([url]http://truthbeknown.com/josephus.htm[/url])
    Pliny, Tacitus and Suetonius: No Proof of Jesus ([url]http://truthbeknown.com/pliny.htm[/url])
    Phlegon, Thallus, bar Serapion ([url]http://books.google.com/books?id=IROnfpqd3aoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=who+was+jesus+murdock&hl=en&ei=8hUVTaWnLYGksQPI5vS2Cg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=thallus%2C%20phlegon%20and%20mara%20bar-serapion&f=false[/url])

    As for your anti-Jewish question, it is irrelevant to this thread, but I have had articles on Jewish supremacy for several years. Here’s one:

    Judaism Quotes ([url]http://truthbeknown.com/judaismquotes.htm[/url])

  9. Good work!
    Thanks Acharya, for your courage and hard work. Thus far I can only say that I’m familiar with your work via the movie, Zeitgeist but you’re on my reading stack. I wanted to provide a head’s up for you and anyone else interested, that a great companion to your work might very well be Immanuel Velikovsky’s “Worlds in Collision” which was viciously attacked by the mainstream scientific community when it was published about 1950. Again, I haven’t yet read your work but Velikovsky’s interpretation of the Scriptures appears rather consistent with that described in Zeitgeist. Also, his later works, including “Ages in Chaos” up the ante… When all is said and done, Velikovsky shows that the great flood was world-wide in scope, known to many peoples of the world, and more important, that it was an act of celestial nature–not an act of God. Congrats on the exposure of your work in Greece!

  10. The Holy Bible has outlived all its critics.

    1. The Iliad, Odyssey and the Hindu Vedas, along with the Sumerian texts, have all been around longer than the Bible – I guess that means they’re correct – and the Bible is wrong.

      Longevity does not equal truth. If it did, all these older religions would trump Christianity, especially the Indo-Iranian cults, which are still around and hundreds to thousands of years older than the Christian cultus.

      All the longevity of the Bible proves is that men have been deluded for far too long, and it’s time to wake up!

      Jewish fairytales and myths are no more “truth” and “fact” than are those from countless other cultures.

    2. So has the work of the Brothers Grimm. They had many critics.

      But they weren’t trying to pass of Grimm’s Fairy Tales as reality.
      Nor did they murder, torture or imprison people who didn’t believe their fairy tales.

  11. Myths
    Ms Acharya,
    You insist that Jesus Christ did not live on this Earth despite overwhelming historical proof of his passage.

    As you say you specialise in myths, it would be interesting to hear your opinion of the following quotations, taken from Prominent Chabad Lubovitch Rabbi Yitzchak Ginzburgh’s column in Jewish Week issue of 26 April 1996 called Halachic Questions:-
    “As for the Goyim … Zalman’s attitude was: ‘Gentile souls are of a completely different and inferior order. They are totally evil, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever’ If every simple cell in a Jewish body entails divinity, is a part of God then every strand of DNA is a part of God. Therefore, something is special about Jewish DNA. “
    “If the Jew needs a liver, can you take the liver of a non-Jew passing by to save him? The Torah would probably permit that. Jewish life has an infinite value. “
    “There is something infinitely more holy and unique about Jewish life than non-Jewish life.”

    Do you agree with the above statements?

  12. Anonymous,

    You commented: “The Holy Bible has outlived all its critics.”

    The question is – Why has the Holy Bible outlived all its critics?

    In my opinion the reason the Bible has “outlived all its critics” is because (before) the creation of the United States Constitution in 1788, critics of the Christian religion and its Holy Bible – both Catholic and some Protestant critics – were subject to public scorn, torture & death just for criticizing Christianity and/or the Bible.

    I believe that Christianity was created partly to act as a governmental disciplinary tool. Read an example of this by typing the following into Wikipedia: (“Jan Hus Memorial.”) Wikipedia says, “Hus believed that Catholic mass should be given in the…local language, rather than in Latin as well as many teachings of John Wycliffe. This did not go over well with the Vatican in Rome and Huss was ultimately condemned by the Council of Constance and burned at the stake in 1415.”

    Part of the reason I consider the U. S. Constitution the greatest document ever written is because it broke the bond that existed between the U.S. government and religions. The Constitution’s First Amendment gave Americans the ability to criticize anything, including government & (religion) – even the Bible.

    Anonymous, if you had been living (before) the creation of the U.S. Constitution, in just about any European-populated country, you would have thought twice before (criticizing) the Christian religion. That’s because your criticism could have resulted in you getting burned at the stake, having your arms pulled out of their sockets, or, if you were lucky, recieving a public condemnation of burning in hell for eternity.

    The main reason “the Holy Bible has outlived all its critics” is because some of its Christian bosses – also known as priests, ministers and popes – might have had you tortured or killed if you (didn’t) like (what they said).

    The horrible punishments that some of the Islamic sects dish out today are comparable in brutality to what some of the Christian Churches did hundreds of years ago. The U. S. Constitution, and the people who wrote it, put a stop to Christian religious brutality.

    The (goodness) that’s storied in the Biblical tales is (not) the entire reason the Bible “has outlived all its critics.”

    Up until 1788 the barbaric tactics used by some Christian Churches to (force) the Bible on people could be the main reason why “the Holy Bible has outlived all its critics.”

  13. Response to Anonymous
    Anonymous,

    You commented: “The Holy Bible has outlived all its critics.”

    The question is – Why has the Holy Bible outlived all its critics?

    In my opinion the reason the Bible has “outlived all its critics” is because (before) the creation of the United States Constitution in 1788, critics of the Christian religion and its Holy Bible – both Catholic and some Protestant critics – were subject to public scorn, torture & death just for criticizing Christianity.

    I believe that Christianity was created partly to act as a governmental disciplinary tool. Read an example of this by typing the following into Wikipedia: (“Jan Hus Memorial.”) Wikipedia says, “Hus believed that Catholic mass should be given in the…local language, rather than in Latin as well as many teachings of John Wycliffe. This did not go over well with the Vatican in Rome and Huss was ultimately condemned by the Council of Constance and burned at the stake in 1415.”

    Part of the reason I consider the U. S. Constitution the greatest document ever written is because it broke the bond that existed between the U.S. government and religions. Its First Amendment gave Americans the ability to criticize anything, including government & (religion) – even the Bible.

    Anonymous, if you had been living (before) the creation of the U.S. Constitution, in just about any European-populated country, you would have thought twice before (criticizing) the Christian religion. That’s because your criticism could have resulted in you getting burned at the stake, having your arms pulled out of their sockets, or, if you were lucky, recieving a public condemnation to burn in hell for eternity.

    The main reason “the Holy Bible has outlived all its critics” is because some of its Christian bosses – also known as priests, ministers and popes – might have had you tortured or killed if you (didn’t) like (what they said).

    The horrible punishments that some of the Islamic sects dish out today are comparable in brutality to what some of the Christian Churches did hundreds of years ago. The U. S. Constitution put a stop to Christian religious brutality.

    The (goodness) that’s storied in the Biblical tales is (not) the entire reason the Bible “has outlived all its critics.”

    During the last 1500 years, the barbaric tactics used by some Christian Churches to (force) the Bible on people could be the main reason why “the Holy Bible has outlived all its critics.”

  14. People are getting dumber!
    50 years ago you would not get away with such trash. No scholar in the past doubted Christ’s historicity. The New Testament is the best historical evidence and something you can never refute. It has the best attestation of any piece of ancient literature as to the content and there are too many extant texts that are very early to the times they represent. Since these were eye witness accounts, and they have the best textual evidence, then it is really impossilbe to dismiss Christ as a historical figure. You can call Him a liar, a lunatic or Lord (as CS Lewis would say) but you can’t dismiss Him as mythical. Another point that you fail to mention, is that your Zeitgeist movie has not one primary text that can prove your supposed links to these ancient mythologies. Your primary sources don’t exist. Mostly, you are just preaching to those that really don’t want anything to do with God or Jesus.

    1. People are already dumb - wer

      Yep, that’s what I love about Xtians! They can’t disprove facts you’ve raised, so they call work “trash” just because it disagrees with their fantasy.

      They try so hard to make you look simply bad, but all it does is make them sound like crazy fanatics.

      Dude, it’s obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about, just babbling Christian propaganda. Sorry, but the fairytales in the New Testament are not any more historical than the stories about the Greek gods.

      Thumbs down.

    2. Actually Eric, even honest Christian New Testament scholars concede that the evidence for Jesus is “scanty and problematic.”

      Here are a few quotes from the book [i]Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ[/i]:
      [quote]”Apart from the New Testament writings and later writings dependent upon these, our sources of information about the life and teaching of Jesus are scanty and problematic”

      F.F. Bruce, a founder of the modern evangelical movement

      – [i]Who Was Jesus?[/i] 84[/quote]
      [quote]”…there are very few sources for knowledge of the historical Jesus beyond the four canonical Gospels. Paul and Josephus offer little more than tidbits. Claims that later apocryphal Gospels and the Nag Hammadi material supply independent and reliable historical information about Jesus are largely fantasy. In the end, the historian is left with the difficult task of sifting through the Four Gospels for historical tradition.”

      John P. Meier

      – [i]Who Was Jesus?[/i] 86

      * Dr. Meier is a Catholic University New Testament professor, ex-Catholic priest and monsignor[/quote]
      [quote]”One would naturally expect that the Lord Jesus Christ would be sufficiently important to receive ample notice in the literature of his time, and that extensive biographical material would be available. He was observed by multitudes of people, and his own followers numbered into the hundreds (1 Cor. 15:6), whose witness was still living in the middle of the first century. As a matter of fact, the amount of information concerning him is comparatively meager. Aside from the four Gospels, and a few scattered allusions in the epistles, contemporary history is almost silent concerning him.”

      Merrill C. Tenney

      – [i]Who Was Jesus?[/i] 85-86

      * Dr. Tenney is a conservative evangelical Christian who was a professor of Theological Studies and the dean of the school of Theology at Wheaton College. Tenney was also one of the original translators of the NASB and NIV editions of the Bible.[/quote]
      [quote]”…Christian scholars over the centuries have admitted that … “there are parallels between the Mysteries and Christianity”1 and that “the miracle stories of the Gospels do in fact parallel literary forms found in pagan and Jewish miracle stories,”2 “…According to Form Criticism the Gospels are more like folklore and myth than historical fact.”3

      1. Metzger, HLS, 8.

      2. Meier, II, 536.

      3. Geisler, CA, 320.

      – [i]Who Was Jesus?[/i] 259[/quote]
      [quote]”The only definite account of his life and teachings is contained in the four Gospels of the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. All other historical records of the time are silent about him. The brief mentions of Jesus in the writings of Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius have been generally regarded as not genuine and as Christian interpolations; in Jewish writings there is no report about Jesus that has historical value. Some scholars have even gone so far as to hold that the entire Jesus story is a myth…”

      The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (v. 6, 83)

      – [i]Who Was Jesus?[/i] 84[/quote]
      [quote]”The gospels are in fact anonymous”

      – Dr. Craig L. Blomberg

      – [i]Who Was Jesus?[/i] 60[/quote]
      [quote]”The Gospels are neither histories nor biographies, even within the ancient tolerances for those genres.”

      Dr. John Dominic Crossan, The Historical Jesus

      – [i]Who Was Jesus?[/i] 24

      * Dr. Crossan is a major figure in the fields of biblical archaeology, anthropology and New Testament textual and higher criticism. He is especially vocal in the field of Historical Jesus studies[/quote]
      [quote]”The works of Greek, Roman and Jewish historians all probably influenced the New Testament writers.”

      Dr. J.P. Moreland

      – [i]Who Was Jesus?[/i] 261[/quote]

    3. “No scholar in the past doubted Christ’s historicity. “

      WRONG! Just shows you don’t know what you’re talking about AT ALL.

      What is a Mythicist? ([url]http://stellarhousepublishing.com/mythicist.html[/url])

      What is Mythicism? ([url]http://stellarhousepublishing.com/mythicism.html[/url])

      Were Washington and Jefferson Mythicists? ([url]http://truthbeknown.com/washington-jefferson-mythicists.html[/url])

  15. Eric: “another point that you fail to mention, is that your Zeitgeist movie has not one primary text that can prove your supposed links to these ancient mythologies. Your primary sources don’t exist.”

    Eric, you’re only posting in an attempt to shore up your faith at all costs, ahh?

    Zeitgeist Part 1 & the Supportive Evidence ([url]https://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2997[/url])

    The New ZEITGEIST Part 1 Sourcebook (2010) ([url]http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/zeitgeistsourcebook.pdf[/url])

    Astrotheology of the Ancients ([url]http://stellarhousepublishing.com/astrotheology.html[/url])

    The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ ([url]http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/originsofchristianity.pdf[/url])

    Jesus as the Sun throughout History ([url]http://stellarhousepublishing.com/jesussunexcerpt.html[/url])

    The Gospels: A 2nd Century Composition ([url]http://stellarhousepublishing.com/gospel-dates.html[/url])

  16. A reponse to all the Ad Hominem attacks
    It looks like some of you really like “Who is Jesus” because that is the only source of your quotes and taking Metzger out of context does not prove your point. He actually stated what I stated. That the New Testament is the best source of the historicity of Christ. If He was a myth then these documents would not have had such wide circulation. There are over 25,000 extant manuscripts of the NT alone. The NT Christians were willing to be tortured and die in the next 3 centuries for a myth? I don’t think so. But I think one of the best lines of evidence is that early critics of Christianity and of Christ don’t use your line of reasoning.

    “Another line of evidence establishing the historicity of Jesus is the fact that the earliest enemies of the Christian faith did not deny that Christ actually lived (see Hurst 1897, 180-189).

    Celsus, a pagan philosopher of the second century A.D., produced the oldest extant literary attack against Christianity. His True Discourse (ca. A.D. 178) was a bitter assault upon Christ. Celsus argued that Jesus was born in low circumstances, being the illegitimate son of a soldier named Panthera (see above). As he grew, he announced himself to be God, deceiving many. Celsus charged that Christ’s own people killed him, and that his resurrection was a deception. But Celsus never questioned the historicity of Jesus.

    Lucian of Samosata (ca. A.D. 115-200) was called “the Voltaire of Grecian literature.” He wrote against Christianity more with patronizing contempt than volatile hostility. He said Christians worshipped the well-known “sophist” who was crucified in Palestine because he introduced new mysteries. He never denied the existence of Jesus.

    Porphyry of Tyre was born about A.D. 233, studied philosophy in Greece, and lived in Sicily where he wrote fifteen books against the Christian faith. In one of his books, Life of Pythagoras, he contended that magicians of the pagan world exhibited greater powers than Christ. His argument was an inadvertent concession of Jesus’ existence and power.”

    So I won’t spend my time here cutting and pasting links that I think prove my point. It only proves that you can cut and paste but don’t really have anything new to say. And to be fair to you all above, I did actually go to your links and read them. The funniest by far is the Zeitgeist “proof” sources. I say funny because it really doesn’t understand Christianity. Most of it is a straw man argument or such a stretch as to have no scholarly validity. Hercules’ 12 labors as metaphor for Christ’s disciples? Really? Not only is that a stretch but it proves my point that you are just preaching to people that want the myth viewpoint to be true. It doesn’t provide any real evidence of your position. Christ is not a “Sun” figure either. That is whay I call the first part a straw man. I’m sure there are extensive counterarguments to the Zeitgeist arguments. As a matter of fact, I think Chris White did a great job of debunking the Zeitgeist claims and you should watch his video on the subject. The myth argument is a recent one and not a very good one. Not based on the historical impact that Christ has had on society this far from His time period.

    1. Blah, blah, blah. You were totally WRONG in your other comment here, becuase you don’t know what you’re talking about, and you’re STILL wrong and don’t know what you’re talking about.

      Sorry, but 20-something Christian apologists with a tiny bit of knowledge really aren’t the goto guys on this subject. And you just won’t be able to suck me into your silly Jewish fables no matter how many absurd arguments you dig up.

  17. Okay, so you’re Eric Brame and ‘ChristianScholarship’ at youtube; You’re one of the CULT members of Chris White and Keith Trash who wants to rid the world of non-believers and lead everyone back into another [b]DARK AGE[/b].

    Wonderful. You guys really show your true colors with all your smears, lies and malicious attacks in your blogs and videos on an individual female author, Acharya S. Decent Christians I’ve talked to are thoroughly embarrassed by all of you guys and want no part of your little cult of hatred.

    You guys expose your own extreme jealousy and misogyny towards Acharya S again and again. Jesus would not be happy with you guys and all the malicious smears and blatant lies you guys are always trying to spread around the net.

    And, why are you even here anyway -just to spy on her? It just proves how jealous and extreme you guys are. [b]If you really believed in what you say about Jesus’ existence and Christianity NONE of the vicious lies you’ve spread about Acharya for years now would ever have been necessary in the first place.[/b]

    So, in all the trash you guys have been putting out about Acharya S – you need to check yourself before whining about ad homs. You’ve proven yourself to be another bigoted fundamentalist Christian repeatedly. Your only goal in life is to shore up your faith at all costs.

    I own the book, Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ and it just happens to have an almost all Christian scholar bibliography. And they all prove you wrong. She did not need to take anything “out of context.” Oh, that reminds me of a hilarious video entitled, Context ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK7P7uZFf5o[/url])

  18. Eric,
    [quote]The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible, remarks:

    “The NT [New Testament] is now known, in whole or in part, in nearly five thousand Greek MSS [manuscripts] alone. Every one of these handwritten copies differs from every other one…”

    “… It has been estimated that these MSS and quotations differ among themselves between 150,000 and 250,000 times. The actual figure is, perhaps, much higher. A study of 150 Greek MSS of the Gospel of Luke has revealed more than 30,000 different readings… It is safe to say that there is not one sentence in the NT in which the MS tradition is wholly uniform.”

    “…Many thousands of the variants which are found in the MSS of the NT were put there deliberately. They are not merely the result of error or of careless handling of the text. Many were created for theological or dogmatic reasons… It is because the books of the NT are religious books, sacred books, canonical books, that they were changed to conform to what the copyist believed to be the true reading.”

    – Who Was Jesus? 48-9[/quote]
    * The IDB is a conservative Christian authority “Text, NT,” v. 4; 594-595.

    Eric: “The NT Christians were willing to be tortured and die in the next 3 centuries for a myth?”

    By that line of reasoning you should be a Muslim.

    I had to laugh out loud when I see you hold up Celsus, Lucian of Samosata and Porphyry of Tyre as your best evidence for a historical Jesus. Obviously none ever met or saw Jesus since they were all born in the 2nd and 3rd centuries. Acharya does address all those issues though. I’ll quote this just as an example:
    [quote]”References in the works of other non-Christian sources such as Lucian of Samosata (2nd cent.)—who doesn’t even mention Jesus Christ by name—are far too late to serve as evidence of anything other than a tradition established by that time. Much too late also is the testimony of the Pagan critic Celsus, who, instead of serving as “evidence” of any historical Jesus, essentially focuses on shredding to pieces any rationality or logic claimed of Christianity.”

    – Who Was Jesus? 97-8[/quote]
    [quote]Justin Martyr, The First Apology, XXI (21) (around 150 ce):

    “And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter…..”[/quote]

  19. Texts
    Maria–you are wrong

    Textual criticism deals with the identification and removal of transcription errors in the texts of manuscripts. Ancient scribes made errors or alterations (such as including non-authentic additions).[71] The New Testament has been preserved in more than 5,800 Greek manuscripts, 10,000 Latin manuscripts and 9,300 manuscripts in various other ancient languages including Syriac, Slavic, Ethiopic and Armenian. Even if the original Greek versions were lost, the entire New Testament could still be assembled from the translations

    that’s from wikipedia–and that’s why there are so many variant readings–

    Also–do you believe is a real George Washington, or a real Napoleon? They didn’t live in your lifetime! Is that really the argument you are running with?

    1. LMAO, Maria was not wrong at all as she was quoting The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible and she even provided the citation * The IDB is a conservative Christian authority “Text, NT,” v. 4; 594-595 also cited in Who Was Jesus? 48-9. So, Eric will have to take it up with the conservative Christian authority himself.

      So, Anon is obviously that arrogant and conceited troll, Eric again coming here to share his [b]OFF TOPIC[/b] obsession with Textual criticism that he read on Wiki and thinks nobody else here has ever heard of it.

      Acharya has a chapter on it in Who Was Jesus? but she also discusses throughout all of her books, which is currently over 2,100 pages.

      Now, what inerrant masterpiece has Eric written and published from what University Press? What qualifications, formal training, credentials and linguistic skills does the troll Eric have?

      Eric “Also–do you believe is a real George Washington, or a real Napoleon? They didn’t live in your lifetime! Is that really the argument you are running with?”

      Wowzers, what an arrogant prick. There’s a major difference, we actually have a wide variety of credible evidence of their existence; not so for Jesus. Get off your soap box nobody cares about your opinion.

  20. Congrats Acharya!

    In the Greek article it pretty much does a copy/paste of the mythicist position but it doesn’t provide the citation at all. The article mentions Christ Conspiracy but no mention of [i]Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection[/i]. So, I’ll post it here:

    [b]The Mythicist Position:[/b]

    “Mythicism represents the perspective that many gods, goddesses and other heroes and legendary figures said to possess extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes are not “real people” but are in fact mythological characters. Along with this view comes the recognition that many of these figures personify or symbolize natural phenomena, such as the sun, moon, stars, planets, constellations, etc., constituting what is called “astrotheology.” As a major example of the mythicist position, various biblical characters such as Adam and Eve, Satan, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, King David, Solomon & Jesus Christ, among other figures, in reality represent mythological characters along the same lines as the Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian, Greek, Roman and other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths, rather than historical figures.”

    – [i]Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection[/i], page 12 ([url]http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/christinegypt.html[/url])

    Here’s a review from biblical scholar Dr. Price:

    “I find it undeniable that many of the epic heroes and ancient patriarchs and matriarchs of the Old Testament were personified stars, planets, and constellations.” ([url]http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/reviews/murdock_christ_egypt.htm[/url])
    – Dr. Robert Price

    Here’s a review from archaeologist Dr. Feder:

    “Your scholarship is relentless! The research conducted by D.M. Murdock concerning the myth of Jesus Christ is certainly both valuable and worthy of consideration.” ([url]https://www.freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=3033&start=0[/url])
    – Dr. Kenneth L. Feder, Professor of Archaeology

  21. Cool, cool, cool. After studying Koine Greek all those years ago, it’s also cool that I recognize so many words in the modern vernacular.

    Way to go! Keep up the good work.

    Buck

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