Throw the Bible in the trash

bible trashSeriously, the Bible has caused more horror and trauma on this planet than practically any other text in history. The Koran/Quran, obviously, comes in a close second – although it’s right up there neck and neck as concerns body count, some 250 million allegedly murdered in the name of Christianity (if you count both World Wars as “Christian” aggressions), while some 270 million are claimed to have been killed in the name of Islam. As concerns looking at the Bible as some sort of “moral guide” from the very finger of God, it’s time to toss the whole shebang into the circular file, the trash heap, the dustbin of history.

The Bible is little more than one culture’s propaganda. It is not the “Word of God” – that’s the propaganda.  The Bible is a collection of mummified myths, fabulous fairytales and hideous horror stories, with a bit of history mixed in to give it legitimacy.  Even this biblical “history” is so slanted that, on the few instances where it has been confirmed by external sources, these sources take the opposite perspective of the Israelite claims.

To illustrate the true value of the Bible, many years ago I was teasing an Israeli acquaintance, Uri, about the lack of culture in ancient Israel.

“But Uri,” I said, “The ancient Jews had no real art, no grand architecture, no armies, navies – nada!”

“Aha!” answered he, “But we got the Book!”

The fact is that other than serving as a valuable cultural artifact on its face, the Bible is virtually useless in today’s modern society as concerns numerous subjects, including technology, science, medicine and, yes, philosophy and spirituality. Modern society is far ahead of the Stone Age technology and mentality found in the Bible. Trying to live by such an outdated and specious text is only making humanity deranged.

As the great freethinker Robert Ingersoll said:

“If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament he would be a criminal. If he would strictly follow the teachings of the New, he would be insane.”

The bottom line is that we need no such old scriptures to lead our lives righteously.  We can use our innate decency, morality, intelligence and humanity.  We can produce new “scriptures” that are not culturally bigoted, displaying their writers as “chosen people” above all others, or sexist, ranting on and on about a male god and his son, while women are continually denigrated purely because of their gender.

As an example of how useless such “moral” writings can be, Bangladeshi natives thought so little of their “holy scriptures” that when a cow ate the banana leaves they were written on, nobody paid much attention.

Sources & Further Reading

Victims of the Christian Faith
270 Million Killed in the Name of Islam
33 Million Killed by God in the Bible

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  1. 250 million murdered in the name of the Bible, women denigrated and oppressed because of the Bible, entire cultures wiped out because of the Bible – these are not “opinions.”

    The only reason others hold any kind of cherished beliefs based on or because of the Bible is because they have been [i]conditioned [/i]to believe it is “God’s Word.” That’s why they hold it up so high – conditioning, not because it really [i]is [/i]God’s Word.

    If you hadn’t been conditioned to believe it, you wouldn’t hold those beliefs, and you wouldn’t esteem the Bible in this manner. It’s that simple.

    If you don’t like these [i]facts[/i], don’t read them!

    And, by the way, as is obvious from this bit – “a valuable cultural artifact on its face” – I do have respect for the Bible as a [i]cultural artifact[/i]. That’s all.

    “if we are to ‘..use our innate decency, morality, intelligence and humanity..’ then a big part of that is respecting the opinions, beliefs, and yes, writings, of our fellow creatures.”

    I see, so I guess we should respect [i]Mein Kampf[/i] because Hitler was one of our “fellow creatures?” How about the writings of Stalin? Charles Manson?

    The Bible has little respect for me, as a freethinking woman, and I return the same.

    1. Acharya S wrote: ” 250 million murdered in the name of the Bible, women denigrated and oppressed because of the Bible, entire cultures wiped out because of the Bible – these are not “opinions.”

      Oh okay, very well then. Please provide the validating source of your claim that 250 million have been murdered in the name of the Bible if this is “not just an opinion.”

      Perhaps I have been wasting my time reading academically peer reviewed texts that place the number in the low tens of thousands total.

      1. Perhaps I have been wasting my time reading academically peer reviewed texts that place the number in the low tens of thousands total.

        If that’s what they are saying, then you are clearly wasting your time.

        I have provided several sources for these contentions. The slaughter throughout the Americas alone was far more than “just” the “low tens of thousands.”

        Sounds like genocide is being swept aside once again.

    2. :silly: you don’t get it! duh!!!

    3. Acharya, it doesn’t seem to matter what religion to which an individual belongs as ‘god’ is the same in the end; that is, he’s been butchering, murdering and killing men, women and children for millenia. I know there is ‘good’ but I can’t seem to figure out why God does this.

    4. The bible is truth and the stupid atheists that write crap like this are the reason for all the world’s problems.You Luciferian atheist illuminati scumbags will not win this one.It’s in the book.Read it and repent you Godless souls.

      1. Thank you for further proof that believing in the Bible makes people into nasty, hateful human-abusers.

        More reason to throw it in the trash.

      2. Your god is a fraud, and there well be no
        Repenting. Its sad your too stupid to see the
        Truth

    5. Interesting points worthy of debate….

      However, please don’t forget the millions murdered in the name of freedom and democracy! Intolerance and mass murder suck under any moniker. According to your logic we should do away with democratic governments… hey, not a bad idea! They are just farces which prevent democratic principles from eventuating, just as religion prevents spirituality’s unbounded growth…

      Jesus never would have been a Christian, but then Buddha never would have been a Buddhist 😆

    1. Wrong
      The Bible has nothing to do with the horrors perpetrated by humans. If people actually understood and obeyed the Bible there would be absolute peace on earth. Unfortunately 99.9% have no comprehension of what the Bible actually teaches. Without the unification of beliefs, there will always be bloodshed.

      1. stone your child
        “If people actually understood and obeyed the Bible there would be absolute peace on earth.”

        Deluded moron.Go and stone a disobedient child to death , like your bible teaches.

        1. Renege
          If you actually bothered reading the bible, you would know that those were guidelines for the Israelite nation to ensure that rebellion wasn’t common for God’s holy people. Secondly, as of the coming of Christ, things have changed.

          I will honestly tell you… in your pursuit of “throwing bibles” into trashes… you maybe throwing away the only thing holding believers back from breaking necks. Because i know if survival of the fittest was the case… i would definitely be breaking necks and taking checks.

          So i implore you to reconsider.

          1. So, you’re saying that many Christians are basically savages and that without the harsh and cruel Yahweh keeping them in check, they would be out murdering people?

            Wow! Since these savage Christians have already slaughtered tens of millions of people in the name of God, Jesus and the Bible, I can’t even fathom how many more they would have killed without these motivating factors.

            But wait – the reality is as I have stated in the original article: These savage Christians likely would have killed far FEWER people without these motivations.

            So, once again, we have a reason to throw the Bible in the trash.

          2. You just got all the answer’s don’t you wise guy… you could work for the media… you seem to be good at twisting things.

            I forget, where do you get your morals from? enlighten me, please.
            Since us savages seem to be killers, i wonder where you lovely people get your morals from? Maybe that way, i too can no longer be a savage.

          3. Wow. If the only thing that restrains you from rape, ravage and roar is your copy of a colection of tales, then i question your sanity and inteligence. One need not claim or believe “ANY” dogma to make a concience effort to become a good and decent person.

          4. Insanity. Your God expressly tells the Jews to stone their children for disobedience. Your heart has been clouded with fanaticism, you can’t feel correctly anymore. The fact that your God sanctioned the stoning of children should horrify you. But you want to pass it off as some learning lesson for the Israelites. Try to picture what that would look like today. Your child accidentally says “Jesus Christ!” in vain. Your other child runs up and says “Mommy! Daddy! Billy sworn at God!” So you call all your Christian friends up and take little Billy out in the back yard and start throwing rocks at him. He’s screaming the whole time in horror, but you think you are doing the good thing in God’s eyes. You are insane my friend. This is why we will always stand against your religion and Muslimism. It is a sickness that should always be addressed until it is eradicated off of the planet. I would run for my life if Freddie Krueger showed up on my neighborhood street, and you too should run from Yahweh.

        2. NICELY PUT…
          I have to agree with you 100%. I don’t think anyone who has read the bible completely and with an open mind can agree with all of its teachings. There are way too many flaws and double standards. They’re all nice/not so nice stories…but that’s all they are. Stories.

        3. Bible
          The Bible does NOT say to stone children to death…..
          if everyone lived by Jesus`s words, there would be peace on earth..
          even Ghandi said this…..so maybe do a little New Testament reading before you comment….the old and new, NEW testament are different.
          Jesus apparently nailed the old laws to the cross/pole or whatever with him. So the Bible says. Yes indeed the Old Testament, talks of a chosen people…but the fact that Jesus came through that particular bloodline, that is why they were chosen and the role the Jews were chosen for. However, on dis-obedience to G-d they lost that righteous place. Not my words the Bibles, whether you choose to believe or not, Jesus taught Love, and Kindness.

        4. Stone your child
          Please this is not a platform for name calling,rather to share ideas.Please control your emotions and allow civility to rule in all contributions.

      2. Reality Check
        No, you’re wrong. Jesus was a good guy and a thoughtful teacher at best, but no son of man. There were “gods” before him that were born of a virgin, died for mankind and rose three days later. This happened several times before Jesus ever walked this planet. You need to wake up if you believe the bible is the truth. There is no god, never has been. God is a construct of the powerful to keep your empty headed dumb ass under control. Now go be good boy and buy something for your masters.

        1. People wrote it. People change, things change, truth changes. Time is defined by our own serial mortality.

          If people are still going around believing non sense like using the Bible as a literary weapon of hatred and judgement, or the Koran as legitimizing murder, they are stuck in the Middle Ages. Same goes for any text, and culture, any belief.

          Darkness transcends all boundaries and has many very deceptive faces, some of them very beautiful and even holy.

          As the author states so succinctly, if you need a book to tell you how to live and treat people, then you will probably believe all the junk in these text manufactured by regular human beings, the wizard of oz, sitting in a non-descript building who labels himself-ordained spiritual authority.

          It is a mistake to ignore the spirit force that permeates our everyday, but this thing mostly ignores humanity’s daily foibles as hairless primates with recently upgraded CPU, bus, memory, AI, and ethernet capabilities. If you were “God,” you would beta test this creature with all sorts of dilemmas and suffering as we have on Earth to see who is spiritually fit.

        2. RE: Reality Check
          [b][i]> “No, you’re wrong. Jesus was a good guy and a thoughtful teacher at best…”[/i][/b]

          Actually, there’s no evidence that a person named Jesus Christ ever existed. It’s an allegorical myth.

          [b]
          [i]> “There were “gods” before him that were born of a virgin, died for mankind and rose three days later. This happened several times before Jesus ever walked this planet.”[/i][/b]

          That is quite true, as research proves. As such, `Jesus’ was just the latest in a series of dying and resurrecting God-men, none of which actually existed.

          [b][i]> “You need to wake up if you believe the bible is the truth.”[/i][/b]

          Or he needs to go to seminary school. I was surprised to learn that they know and teach that it’s a myth in seminary school.

          “[Regarding the] Christian Myth, they know it is myth. In private discussions with theologians, they shocked me by admitting they know it is all a myth. One Jesuit told me, `Those stories are for the unthinking lay public.’ This changes the problem from one of ignorance to one of lies and deceit.”
          —Don Richards

          “The mass of people who are Bible-taught never get free from the erroneous impressions stamped on their minds in their infancy, so that their manhood or womanhood can have no intellectual fulfillment, and millions of them only attain mentally to a sort of second childhood”
          —Gerald Massey

          “There was a time when Christianity ruled the world. It is known as the Dark Ages.”
          —Russell W. Behne I

          “Assure a man that he has a soul and then frighten him with old wives’ tales as to what is to become of it afterwards, and you have a hooked fish, a mental slave!”
          —Theodore Dreiser

          [b][i]>”There is no god, never has been. God is a construct of the powerful to keep your empty headed dumb ass under control.”[/i][/b]

          Actually, that may not necessarily be entirely true – I suppose that it all depends on how you define `God’:

          Some people think of God as an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne some where up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow.

          Others—for example, Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einstein—considered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe.

          I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws.

          Therefore, if you insist on defining God in revealed-religionist’s terms, then I say that HE, (the God of the Bible) doesn’t exist. But if you subscribe to the Spinozan concept of God, then IT (the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe) most certainly does exist.

          Nature and Nature’s laws lay hid in night;
          God said, “Let Newton be!” and all was light.
          —Alexander Pope

      3. “The Bible has nothing to do with the horrors perpetrated by humans.” Demonstrably false–and no, I’m not going to do the work for you as it is something any intelligent teen could show. Besides, even the Babble gives the lie to your statement: it has been used to do just what you say, even during its formation.
        “If people actually understood and obeyed the Bible there would be absolute peace on earth.” Hmmm. See my post below. Also, understanding and obedience could be mutually exclusive, most especially if one is a moral human being. “Absolute peace”? Exactly, the peace of the grave.
        “Unfortunately 99.9% have no comprehension of what the Bible actually teaches.” Quoting statistics without citing sources is bad form. Setting that aside, how would you feel if I said, “Yes, and I am one of the 0.1%, and I have to tell you that you are utterly wrong”? You’re arrogance astounds!
        “Without the unification of beliefs, there will always be bloodshed.” Setting aside the fact that this is a bald assertion, I recommend reading the Orange Catholic Bible.

      4. Not only wrong but off the wall
        😯 :woohoo
        Rich, you are totally WRONG. The bible is so totally out of touch with reality it is a total desaster when you try to apply to todays world.

      5. The bible has everything to do with the horrors that have plaugued man. in the “book” we learn slavery is fine . Even rape is ok as long as you keep the woman. Sell your daughter its cool , Murder , genocide all by order of the bible god. It is you who needs to read the unholy book called the bible

      6. inconsistencies
        As a guide to living morally,the book is repugnant,just contrast the god of moses saying thou shalt not kill to the subsequent god who tells joshua to kill men,women and children,especially the disrespect shown to children makes me find this book repugnant no matter what the socalled message is supposed to be

      7. Bible
        if 99,99% don’t understand the bible, that means it is very bad written!

      8. Try Reasoning…Rich
        If 99.9% of humans do not comprehend what the bible teaches, whose fault is that? Do you agree that God made humans, and he also instructed the bible to be written? If so didn’t he know 99.9% of humans would not comprehend his instructions? Is the God of your bible playing games with his creation: Games only he can win? Madness comes wearing many different garments. Is it fair to say Rich, that you are among the 1% of those who comprehend the teachings of the bible? Have you ever noticed that [b]He[/b] is within [b]SHE[/b] and not the other way around? If you have any human decency you’ll let it be know that you are sorry for disputing undeniable facts.

      9. Your God told parents to stone their children outside the tents of the camp. He also told them to slaughter whole tribes and rip the unborn babies out of their wombs. And this is the same God yesturday, today, and forever. The same God that Jesus claims to represent and even says “Before Abraham was I AM.” And you think that if we followed this God we would have peace on earth. I see nothing but genocide, murder, death threats, threats of hell, and brutal dictates behind your God, which would never bring peace to any nation.

    2. people have been forced throughout history to take part at endless number of wars so that some individuals are able to gather more wealth and power for themselves,religion has only been used by the power elite as a propaganda tool,people have been dying in the shadow of Cross and other symbols,people are dying still to export so called Democracy so the rest of the World can be enlightened by the new Freedom fighters

    3. Upshot
      Religion has been used for thousands of years now to control populations before technology. Now that there is technology, religion is no longer needed (satellites, ELF towers, Subliminal via TV Web music, etc). This is why it is under attack by the big guns these days. There is no one proper religion, they are all wrong. They control people using negative reinforcement (Do this & this & this…Don’t do That & that & that or you will go to hell). It is all quite laughable but if you think of the billions fooled it is quite pathetic.

    4. To add further, the Bible hasn`t caused anything…people do the bad, the Bible is supposedly a book of history, and the word of God. It`s like saying a dictionary has done harm, because it contains words like, hate, war, racism.
      People professing Christianity, but NOT pro-actively living it have done the harm..to be a true Christian is to copy Jesus, how many people who call themselves Christians do that. Rather they do anything `but`…..

      1. If the Bible has no effect on people’s behavior, then it is useless in that regard and can be thrown in the trash.

        Its “history” is also fairly worthless so, once again, toss it into the trash.

        The Bible is, however, an interesting cultural artifact that should be studied as just that and no more. It is undoubtedly not the “Word of God” and should not be followed, as you yourself have basically just admitted, since you claim it is not capable for affecting anyone’s behavior.

        1. It
          It’s a good read, if you take it in the right context (I mean good as in long).

    5. Mr. Robert Ingersoll-Free Thinker
      Mr Robert Ingersoll and the rest of the world’s free thinkers who may associate and believe and support him, my advise is that they should keep such thoughts and beliefs strictly to themselves.

      I rest in the firmest assurance, that you won’t have many followers or have any group that you may regard as a congregation. I shall pray to God Almighty and may He have mercy on your soul. I suppose you don’t believe that you have a soul, or do you?

      You see Mr Robert Ingersoll, your God and my God gave us ‘free choice and free will’ it is yours to choose. But don’t make any attempt to convert others to your beliefs and thinking. God has give us a path to Salvation or life in hell. That too, is yours to make and I do, of course, hope that it will be the right choice.

      God bless you

  2. killed in the name of Christianity HMMM
    Actually most of the modern killings are for benefit of a few financiers, I won’t mention their racial connection but I don’t think most Christians approve of what is going on (no evangelicals ARE NOT Christian!) they have more in common with RABID FOAMING AT THE MOUTH JUDAISM! But yes the Catholics (ALSO I FEEL, NOT! Christian. “JEWES” Not jewish (well some in the lodges are) actually I mean come on they wear “YOMIKAS? (I’m not jewish so, ME NO SPELL THIS) And sh*t! The poop sorry pope, even has his own “yod” sorry rod, and “shaft” I mean staff, LOL!

    Again just my own opinions but more than likely true, with exception to the fact that the past 200 no actually 800 years of military murder was for, financiers! And who rote the BIBLE, THE “SANHEDRON?” THATS WHO alias the council or council of “mycia?”! Again I’m not Jewish so I can’t spell their crap language, also not too good with Latin but the n who is(Layman that is). But I ca read and some what spell though my punctuation is awful.

    1. Atheist
      Did theist approved of the killings of hundreds of millions of people by stalin, mao, polpot and others like them? did you noticed that they are all atheist?

      1. re mon – Atheist
        Hey Mon Atheist, That’s true what you say about Stalin, Mao, Polpot etc., but the fact is they were simply going through the motions of Marx; another Israelitish prophet. Marx was, after said and done, just rebelling against the Old Testament of his rabbi father, by promoting merely a non-Jesus version of the New Testament. It’s all Jewish in the final analysis; and it would not surprise me if – as many say – the works of Marx and Engels were the contrivances of the same Israelitish money elite and their globalist domination agenda. 👿

      2. Hitler was a christian
        If your going to start throwing around names of non christians. How about hitler he was very much a christian. Should I start with blood thirsty christians of the 1st century ?? Or should we skip 2000 years and just speak of modern day murderers. Reveled religions are without a doubt three of the most cruel jokes ever perpetrated upon mankind. And for people to defend its exsistence is absolutly immoral. In christianity you have child mutalation, justify that !! Lets stop the stupidity !!!!

      3. Actually Hitler was a Catholic. He mentions God in nearly everyone of his speeches in Mein Kaump. And stalin, mao, polpot certainly didn’t do what they did in the name of atheism. You need to rethink that one.

      4. None of them where Freethinkers or Humanists!

      5. athiest, non athiest, what ever
        Actually they are and have been transhumanists as well Stalin and Lenin were freemasons” not sure but about Polpot but Mao was also” (a cult like religious belief), and homicidal eugenicists although you have to admit some logic in their thinking(over population, limited resources well without raping the earth like we do now) but they want all for themselves and nothing NO THING for the rest. Not even, education for the weak(uneducated) all it takes is some proper education and making them work for what they get, then people will stop breeding at the rate they do! Oh and as far as breeding goes it is the RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS that are over populating our world! You should take a note from the pandas and not bother!

        Anyway your point!

        This si not aimed at you directly but food for thought.
        Now I may not agree with everyone on every thing but stop attacking people for questioning your beliefs or trying convince you to do it!

      6. Reply to MON

        “Did theist approve of the killings of hundreds of millions of people by Stalin, Mao, Polpot and others like them?”
        Compared to the ‘religious’, those you listed do not even rank as ‘armatures’ when it comes to mass murder. (both in total body count, and percentage of total population)

        You did have enough since to not include Hitler. He was a self proclaimed Christian.

        1. What is the problem? problem is when the bible was in its infancy most Europeans were still grunting like pigs and living with rats and bats and screwing dogs they will never understand holiness, or divine inspiration as they have no sense of humanity or nature, that is why they are so prone to child molestation and other acts of sensual depravity leave the bible alone you have no right to critisise it, you who have polluted everything in creation. be still.

      7. Learn statistics
        Mon Atheist, you are giving ridiculous numbers. Learn your statistics.

    2. you don’t have to be of any religion to know how to spell. you only need to be educated , which obviously you are not .

  3. footnote it!
    I’m looking forward to the time when religion is but a tragic footnote to our history.

    1. footnote
      Might have a long wait if people are still around 🙂

      1. 🙁

        As long is ‘stupid’ is still a human trait, religion will be with us.

  4. yours is a point of view…one you are entitled to…as you are doubtless aware, there are millions around the world whose beliefs involve a very different point of view…which they are equally entitled too…
    I don’t imagine you would prefer a non tolerant society…the freedom to pursue and embrace religious beliefs is surely no less valid than the freedom not to…
    if we are to ‘..use our innate decency, morality, intelligence and humanity..’ then a big part of that is respecting the opinions, beliefs, and yes, writings, of our fellow creatures…if you don’t like them, don’t read them….

    1. :confused: you don’t get it! duh!

  5. 250 million allegedly murdered in the name of Chri
    What are your sources for this figure?

    1. How many has God killed ([url]http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=14135#p14135[/url])

      1. Sources
        These sources are drek, don’t you have any better?

    2. I find it funny how the free-thinker know more about that bible than those who profess to know the contents of it. If they really knew the religion they wouldn’t be questioning the millions murder in the of religion. The witch trials, cracrades, burning at the stake of those who did not except this unholy myth. A a child I too was raised a christian, got angry at Matolyn O’Hara, the atheis thinker of the 60’s/70′, until I began to seek knowledge I become a born again free-thinker, free from this TALKING SNAKE FOOLISH.

  6. Cultural relativism specifies that we “respect” every opinion, culture, belief…. when in fact, we should not. That doesn’t mean we go out and hang someone but we have to at least hold these things up to scrutiny to determine whether these opinions/cultures/beliefs are respectful in of themselves to human rights. Too long demand has been made to repect religious beliefs without question and yet never demand that these same religious beliefs be held to respect human rights and dignity, particularly women and children but not exclusively them. Should the law “respect” Jehovah Witness’ to refuse certain treatments for their children? Under Canadian law…no. You can chose whether you want treatments for yourself but it ends when your beliefs endanger the life and/or liberty of another. I do not support the “right” to a religious political party either as it trumps the separation of state and religion; we cannot nor should not be a citizenry forced to be ruled under the jurisdiction of any religious “laws”. When religion ruled the world, it was called the “Dark Ages” and we must never let it rule again. That means keeping a careful critical eye on them, not submitting to relativistic ideals.

    1. Well said. We seem close to making laws respecting religion rather than people. Canada got one right.

  7. Without Fear
    I threw my bible out twenty years ago.
    See these sites for the intolerance of Christians
    [url]http://www.stopthereligiousright.org/demolish.htm[/url]
    [url]http://ethnikoi.org/persecutions.html[/url]

    John Lilly said that the world is “a battlefield of beliefs”, need more be said.

    Buddha said,

    Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
    Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
    Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
    Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
    Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
    But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”

  8. Here Here.

    One glance at Numbers 31 shows how disgusting the Bible is, totally bereft of morals. Genocide, child abuse, kidnapping and mass rape of young girls as commanded by the LORD.

    Vile.

  9. Ship without a rudder?
    So tell me, just because a ship of drifts off course, does one toss out the rudder and compass? If the 10 commandments and golden rule were practiced and used in public as well as private there would be no wars, poverty or sadness that we see around us. Throw the Bible and toss the rudder? 🙁

    1. You would only be “rudderless” because you’ve been conditioned to believe that you need to rely on “God’s Word” to survive.

      That propaganda is false.

      Nothing in the Bible cannot be found in other texts and cultures. The very notion that these guidelines can’t be found in other cultures is the exact cultural bigotry and supremacy I am talking about that emanates from the Bible.

  10. God fearing people
    Good article. I think from time to time about this type of thing and how the majority of “God fearing” people will use “belief” to justify something they’ve done that might not be a moral standard within their culture. I also have to wonder about these “God fearing” people and their faith. For example, I personally think that most Christians don’t “really” believe in a God or higher power for the fact that they choose to disobey the Torah and NT. If the “fear” of God were really instilled in these people, they would live like their hero Paul.

  11. keep da book
    Moral relativism is like driftwood that flows down the river to the lowest point possible until it can’t move. The basic moral principles found in the bible are calculated to bring about happiness and freedom – not the endless war and pain we now see. Regardless if you believe the bible or not, the laws therin make up our constitutional republic and legal system which is undisputably the greatest experiment of freedom the world has known. Ignor the basis of those laws and the system will fall apart. Why would it be any different for indiviiduals than governments? The book has already been tossed by those who would disregard it’s laws known as the 10 commandments. The golden rule replaced by the #1 rule -me first!

  12. Jesus was the son of a god…Yahshua was the son of Yahweh, the Heavenly Father, who was never, is not, and will never be a god, which is only a created , rebellious being (satan, lucifer, zeus etc.) Yahshua was a man, not a god or half man/half god being. A real flesh and blood MAN.
    There are many gods, only one Creator. His name is Yahweh (YHWH). Prove it for yourself. http://www.yahweh.com

    Shabbat Shalom

  13. @ Acharya S.: Great points re: the dangers of texts such as the bible. They are control mechanisms and nothing more.
    As for the educational system that produces these grammatically challenged individuals, are you familiar with the writings of Charlotte Isyrbyt? Worth a look:
    http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/

    cheers

  14. Gee that god is a wonderful guy.

    Thank you, Frank Costa, for listing the facts.

    And, as always, thank you Acharya. You are an inspiration for people who think and reason, rather than blindly follow.

  15. I haven’t been given the holy spirit, so i guess i am unable to understand the bible, despite the fact that i have read — and understood — Ulysses.

    Believe in Jesus and my life will change for the better??? I’ve met a lot of people who have believed in this “savior” and had miserable lives.

    Oh, wait, god works in mysterious ways…sorry i forgot. Silly me.

  16. Thanks For The Laugh
    This comical submission begins with the following statement: “Seriously, the Bible has caused more horror and trauma on this planet than any other text in history.”

    This is nothing more than an outright lie by any standard of historic methodology, and gives the reader an early indication of what is to follow in terms of credibility.

    As a point of historic fact, there is no text that has caused more “horror and trauma” than the Communist Manifesto, and its own religion of atheist dialectical materialism.

    When we peel back the layers of lies, such as presented in this author’s submission, and view human conflict from a perspective of academically accepted historic review, there is only one ideology that has declared humanity to be nothing more than savage animals, and has slaughtered them by the hundreds of millions.

    That ideology is not counted as any of the monotheistic religions, but is instead known to be the savage humanist religion of atheist Marxism.

    You can chatter and lie among yourselves until your eyes cross, but those are just the academically valid historic truths of whom the true champions of human slaughter are, and historic fact isn’t going to yield to any of you to serve in the advancement of you agenda.

    1. My analysis was not meant to be a statistical presentation.

      If I posted a message attacking the Communist Manifesto, I doubt that there would be hundreds of people in here angrily spewing calumny and libel, including repeated contentions about “lies.”

      It is obvious that Bibliolatry makes people angry and hostile – and the record shows that this passion spills over into extraordinary violence, no matter how you measure it.

      1. Pathetic
        You truly are an idiot. You try to make yourself sound knowledgeable, even claiming recently that you daily read the Bible in Greek and Hebrew. First of all, I believe you have read parts of the Hebrew scriptures and the Greek scriptures, which is just another way of saying the “Old Testament” and the “New Testament”. You couldn’t possible possess even an elementary knowledge of the Bible to make the claims you make. PEOPLE cause death and suffering, the BIBLE does not. You’re just a pathetic and bitter person who wants to take her disdain for religion and convince everyone else to follow suit.

        1. What is truly pathetic is going around to other people’s websites and spewing an endless stream of invective and insults in order to coerce them into believing in a book of supernatural and fabulous fairytales written by a backward nation some 2,500 years ago.

          And, yes, I do read the Bible in its original languages on a more or less daily basis, a fact you would already know if you were as expert on my work as you pretend to be in your insulting pronouncements.

          But thank you for yet another example of how Bibliolatry causes people to become antisocial and hateful.

          Perhaps the best reason to throw the Bible in the trash.

  17. Ah yes, and delving further into the author’s submission, I find the following at the link proviDed that claims Islam has killed 270 million people:

    >>>>

    Yes, I would say that these figures are indeed quite rough, so rough as a point of fact that they exceed any academically reviewed mortality estimate that I have ever seen by a couple of hundred million.

    Perhaps someone could provide a credible source of these numbers. ( emphasis on credible) I have to ask at this point, is freedom of speech on this site perceived as the liberty to just make it up as you go along?

  18. Here Is a Little Clue For You
    Since I have asked for some validating sources for all these claims of religious mass murders, I thought I would provide a little assistance with one of the typical points of atheist hysteria, known historically as the Christian Crusades.

    The BBC presented a very nice documentary on the Crusades wich cited the total number of deaths from military engagements and civilian persecution at under 3000.

    So let’s see, with this classic point of atheist hysteria accounting for 3000 deaths, you only have to account for several million more deaths by Christian and Judaic religious persecution to validate your claim that: “Seriously, the Bible has caused more horror and trauma on this planet than any other text in history.”, and place the Bible ahead of the Communist Manifesto as an incentive for mass murder.

    It took me all of 10 minutes to get my 20th century democide numbers together, which I will be very happy to provide.

    1. I had heard that there were revision efforts to reduce this holocaust in order to reform the Church’s reputation, but I didn’t know it had become this bad yet.

      I guess the rewriting of history to suit the victor only applies to other mass murdering cults like that of Stalin?

      Honestly, why all the hostility, even if you’re right about these numbers?

      1. So your response to a request for validating source material is to tell me what “you heard,” and then to proceed to hang a politically incorrect label on me. Well I must say that this is pretty much what I had expected, and I assure yo yhat I am not going to be that easy to dismiss.

        I’m going to give you the benefit of assuming that you are sincere in your belief that religion is the greatest threat to humanity, and simply state that the evidence supported by historic fact indicates that you are very wrong.

        Government tyranny at the hands of elitist criminals is by far the greatest oppressor, and murderer of humanity in all of human history, and at this point in human history is by far the greatest threat we face.

        Here is an academic site that provides a chart of democide by event, political ideology, and nation.

        [url]http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/[/url]

        Considering that most credible academicians place the total number of victims of all religious persecution at under 11 million people on the high end throughout all of human history, the hundreds and hundreds of millions of people murdered by government is going to disprove your premise that the Bible is the horror of the world.

        1. Yes, I read some revisionist history of the Inquisition and the past 1700 or so years of Christian mayhem throughout Europe. I am editing a book right now that lays out all this horror, and it sure doesn’t sound the like the revisionist remarks you are trying to pass along here.

          You are honestly surprised to find out that many millions of people on planet Earth over the past couple of hundred years have been told of the enormous amount of bloodshed created by Christ’s Church, whether Catholic or Prostestant? You, purportedly an expert on this subject, really do not know the immense body of literature that has been compiled on the massive deaths from invasions by Christians worldwide?

          And now you are trying to tell me with a straight face that all of that murder and mayhem – which came out only very grudgingly with great effort by more rational members of society – has somehow been wiped away because of a few supposedly “peer-reviewed” texts?

          So, are you also suggesting that the tens of millions of Native Americans who were supposedly murdered by the invading CHRISTIAN Spaniards and others just really didn’t exist in the first place?

          And all these deaths – these were all fictional? How about the 30 million or so killed by God in the Bible alone? Is that record fictional too? Then you are admitting that the Bible is fictional?

          And, of course, the Iraqis who have been killed, probably with many rifles that had Bible verses in their scopes – they are all fiction too?

    2. True data typically require more than ten minutes to find and document. Television is one of the least reliable sources of information, and its propaganda is among the most intentionally misleading.

  19. Division is the Key
    The Bible is a Tool of Division.

    By the end of Chapter 4 of the first book of Genesis, we have:

    -God Vs. Man
    -God Vs. Woman
    -Man Vs. Woman
    -Man Vs. Earth
    -Man Vs. Death
    -Brother Vs. Brother
    -Man Vs. Animal

    This is by design. This has ALWAYS been by design. Understand this and you will understand History.

  20. re:
    [quote name=”Daniel”]Two thirds of the world believes in reincarnation. They took all references to this out of the Bible. After all, why would we need the priests and ministers and rabbi’s and so forth if we had “more chances” to get things right? Job security perhaps?[/quote]

    False… this says it better than I can and it’s alread written for me.

    [url]http://www.comparativereligion.com/reincarnation3.html[/url]

    Stephen

  21. Seriously, if the rules of the bible applied to today’s society, we all would have been put to death by now.

    Touching the hide of a pig; eating shellfish; approaching an altar with a deformity; wearing clothing made of different material; working on Sunday; allowing hair to grow past the temples; planting more than one vegetable in a garden.

    These are all abominations according to the bible, and are punishable by death.

    What a wonderful book of love written in the words of a loving creator!

    1. who said that?
      Excuse me, doubting Thomas, but I must have missed something in my reading of the bible that seems to conflict with your harsh criticism of our creators words such as:

      “Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you. Bless them which curse you, pray for them which despitefully use you.”
      (Luke 6:27,28)

      I don’t find words like these in other texts and it sure doesn’t fit the contemporary mantra of premptive war that the neocons want us to believe. Help me out will you about how teachings like these could be punishable by death?

      1. Study
        You really need to read the Old Testament, that huge collection of writings before the birth of Christ. It’s part of the Bible, and has some of the most heinous acts you will ever read of, all brought to you in the name of God.

      2. “Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you. Bless them which curse you, pray for them which despitefully use you.”
        (Luke 6:27,28.)

        “Love your enemies?!”

        ROFLMAO! Yep, I can just feeeeel the love here from the Christians attacking Acharya!

        Can you say HYPOCRITES? 👿

  22. “YOUR AN IDIOT” ???????

    This guy can’t even write proper English much less debate

    I guess MINE AM SMART

  23. I see, more ad hom personal attacks in defense of a book of propaganda from one particular culture.

    Very enlightening! Never before seen!

    Thanks for yet another example.

  24. The writer shows his ignorance of the bible I doubt if he has even opened on.

    What is wrong with the Ten Commandments, if we all followed just this one teaching of the Bible the world would be a much better place.

    The Bible in fact warns us about idiots such as this writer. It tells us not to waste time try to convince people such a him as to the true nature of Christianity.

    So you believe what you want I will believe in Christ and salvation. What does it hurt for me to believe and try to live my life accordingly.
    If I am wrong and there is only death what does it hurt, but if the writer is wrong he will spend eternity in damnation and hellfire.

    1. another “believer” for convenience

      1. Confusion
        I think the author has the Bible confused with the Talmud!

    2. Because your “beliefs”are detrimental to human kind. You want laws changed so your belief is held in some kind of reverence. You people are sick .

    3. The 10 commandments are an embodiment of 613 decrees, laws, and commands. Joe, one of the commandments is to teach the torah, do you do this? If you want to be a follower of Yahweh then I suggest YOU pick up your Bible and read it. Don’t pick and choose what best suits your delusional replacement religion.

    4. spiritual updating
      We are at the same crossroads as the Israelites during Jesus’ time. With “the Good Samaritan” and “the Woman at the Well”, he made them question the basis of their antiquated belief system with simple stories, forgoing stonings and such for forgiveness. We, as well, need to examine the impact of Christianity through new eyes, through the eyes of those murdered and oppressed for “truths” sake. Only then will we find personal salvation and cultural enlightenment.

    5. What does it hurt?
      Perpetuating myths as truth means you’re lying to yourself, and quite possible many others. Why not take the time to research the origin of the stories in the Bible? Isn’t the book you hold so dear that you use it to guide your life, worth spending some time trying to better understand its roots?

      You suggest that we just follow the 10 Commandments. What about the rest of bible? What you’re proposing is called ‘cherry picking’. You can’t call yourself a Christian and only choose to follow the 10 Commandments and ignore the rest of the bible. “The true nature of Christianity” is reflected in the bible- the murders, suffering of women, rape, and struggle for power no matter who gets hurt is all in there. These are not isolated stories either; these themes are repeated over and over again.

      Which part of the bible did you want your life to reflect?

  25. You are right, there is a long history of cruel murders, of the oppression and denigration of women, of entire cultures being wiped out. Its a little rich to blame all this on a book. Culprits always point the finger at anyone or anything but themselves. But in every case it is men, and sometimes women, who have committed these crimes. They may have carried out their wickedness in the name of any of a large number of causes. In every instance this is a cop out. If you kill someone you are a murderer. You did it. There is no holy war. There are just greedy bastards, and then there are the rest of us.
    Despite our best efforts, none of us entirely escape conditioning. As a freethinker are you somehow immune? You seem to be suggesting that anyone who has faith in anything beyond a reasonable explanation is a victim of conditioning. This is very much an “opinion”.
    Perhaps there is a Cartesian conundrum here. Descartes, by the way never lost his faith. He just developed a scientific method, base on scrupulous collection of [i]facts[/i], which for him did not preclude his Christian beliefs. The fact that his followers didn’t get this speaks volumes.

    1. Reference
      Try to stay away from generalities. Can you please be specific on your claims and causes of the supposed fatalities you mention and I will bet I can accurately rebut your assertions.

  26. Throw the Bible
    Whilst religious fervour often encourages conversion by the sword
    the Bible, at least the New testament, basically discourages violence.
    It’s amazing how the Bible and/or Koran are singled out for criticism.
    The Old testament is most assuredly a mish mash of myth, truth and
    above a great deal of Jewish propaganda. Most of the OT is an “excuse”. An “excuse” to legitamize murder and theft by God’s
    “chosenites”. The NT on the other hand at least hints that the OT
    was not relly the way to behave. surely at least 99% of humanity
    know the difference between right and wrong! So why is so much authority and emphasis given to the OT? The answer lies in the continuous insistance that God singled out a bunch of his miscreants
    for his preferential treatment……so the story goes!
    In the meantime one does not hear even a whisper about the less than charitable views of the Talmud. Why is this? Is it because it would have to be one of the most hideous bits of “dogma” ever penned? It’s quite pornographic in concept, maybe it should be
    promoted more in the media….it sure has quite a bit of religious instruction for the “believer” or adherant to it’s faith.
    Precise “laws” pertaining to sexual activities allowed with underage
    children, and how to “excuse” ones actions when commiting these
    religious duties. It gives one a balanced view on how to treat others
    if they are not quite up to your religious standings. It also provides quite comforting words to soothe one’s concience if you follow the
    “good” book (Talmud) and treat goyim the way one should.
    Acharya (Murdock, Murdoch, Mardock) what say you about the Talmud?

    1. Here’s what I say about the Talmud – and what I have been saying about the Talmud for over a decade since that article has been online. Some of it was even posted on Rense.com, which is where I assume you are coming from.

      Quotes on Judaism ([url]http://truthbeknown.com/judaismquotes.htm[/url])

      And your sinister attempt at associating my last name with Marduk, as you have attempted to do in the past, is simply puerile. My name is Scottish, meaning “Daughter of the Sea.”

      1. Wrong, I don’t need Rense.com to educate me on the evils of the Talmud. I have been studying the evils of the Talmud for over 35 years and also the horrors of atheistic communism’s killing machine, having family members victims of the holodomar. I care not what “free thinking”, DO AS THOU WILT cult thinks about the Bible. But I am always happy to respond to their lunacy and anti-Christ ramblings. It doesn’t take much research to lead to the fact that many of these crimes were actually committed by “free thinkers” fronting themselves as “christian”. You can only fool the ignorant!

        1. Make it up however you need to Dev.

          [b]How many has God killed?[/b] ([url]http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2381[/url])

          [b]Pagan Destruction Chronology (314-870 C.E)[/b] ([url]http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12120#12120[/url])

  27. Oh my you people are so smart. SO then what does in god we trust mean when it says it in big letters above the judge’s bench? Hmmmm, seems like maybe being an ignorant f**k ain’t the way to go. How about we throw out science while we are at it. Nothing but sick tests, disease, inhumane studies, weapons are the creation of science, so lets get rid of it. No more science cause it killls millions upon millions too. After all we have seen science boast its mighty claims of godlike status and messiah status, yet not one f**kin cure? Still it only treats symptoms which science may very well be the cause of said symptoms. You lost losers can take your god money to the grave, you can shove your science and lies up your ass where they belong, and if you insist on throwing out the bible I suggest you learn up on common law vs commercial law and gain a bigger understanding of the world. However like most idiots I am sure this band wagon is bound for glory. In closing I hope you fools do wipe out the bible. That way you wipe out your human rights. If you don’t know how or why they would be linked…..well you got the genius spouting off in this article who basically brings up the same old boring arguments that are irrelevent. Enjoy your pagan nation.

  28. This theory/opinioin has been discredited by think
    The PROOF this opinion/theory is shallow is the fact that before the Bible was written there was every bit as much tragedy and warfare being waged throughout the world as after. Only the utterly ignorant think the world was nothing but holding hands and singing love songs all day before the Bible or the Koran or any other book was written.

    You are looking for a panacea and barking up the wrong, discredited tree. The source of war/conflict is not religion, but the nature of a small percentage of people who feel they must control and dominate other people.

    Religion can and has been used for evil as well as good. All religion could be gone on a Monday and by Friday someone would have started a war promising the atheists who followed him a share of the spoils.

    1. I see, bringing up the endless warfare, genocide, slavery, women-abuse and so on, ad nauseam, is “shallow.”

      The rest is just a slew of straw men, as no one has ever said anything about the kumbaya delusion you are painting.

      The topic here is whether or not the Bible has moral worth in today’s world and whether or not it is “God’s Word.”

      How to create utopia is another subject.

  29. bosheesh
    Conditioning, conditioning. You forgot the fact that you too are conditioned! Just like everyone else! Freethinking? Come on, you know you can’t do that in a politically correct world! No respect for you? Give me a break. Anyone picking that up is obvisouly conditioned.

  30. lololol
    Throw the bible in the trash because wicked men have done wicked things in it’s name.

  31. You sound so angry… I get angry at the state of this world too but let’s not forget one basic fact: the only reason why religion was always bloody is because we – Man- made it so.
    No matter what the scripture says, the mind of the corrupt alwsys finds a way to twist meaning to fit their agenda… God gave us free will, and with it people who focused on power, which then corrupted them, and who is in power is like a mirror reflecting on his society.
    Anyway, anger issues and resentment do not lessen the reality that god exists, as surely as there is night and day, man and woman, spring and winter… If there can be absolute evil then there must be absolute goodness, and it can only be god. Of course those in places of influence have spent a long time making sure most religions fought against one another, and THAT is part of the real propaganda.

    1. What part “sounds angry?” I am simply speaking factually. Doesn’t speaking factually sound angry to you? Perhaps you need to buck up a bit.

      I believe the “you sound so angry therefore God exists” argument is in the long list of logical fallacies often used by theist apologists.

      By the way, this article had absolutely nothing to do with whether or not God exists – although in consideration of the tawdry trash written in his name that he does nothing about, I suppose one could say that the mere existence of the Bible disproves God’s existence.

  32. Carnal Crunch.
    Reading this article and the responses to it, leave me shaking my head at the abysmal ignorance of people concerning the Bible.
    Once your eye’s, ears, and intelect are opened to the Bible , your world is forever changed. Writings of much fiction and entertainment will be put aside as it will be like reading this work for the first time and wonder how you just didn’t see these revealing eye poppers before? You’ll understand more everyday just who your enemies really are and what is at stake in this trial ground of an earth age. This Earth and what goes on in it fit hand and glove with the true words of the Bible. Your here to make a choice between two entities style of living and governance. There will be no fence sitters on this one. If you can just understand that we all have been around in being a long, long, time. Yes the Earth is untold millions of years old and we cheered the work of the fathers hands while He was making it. Your memories are limited here but soon we’ll have total recall of who we were and are. Ask for wisdom and understanding and you’ll recieve it. Don’t let the distractions of this world fill you with an apathetic and complacent attitude over your existance. Beware the Kenites and their Father. May you obtain the KEY OF DAVID to unlock the mysteries and have the blessings of our Father in Jesus name.

  33. Whoever wrote this article clearly knows nothing a
    The author of the above article about the bible shows clearly that they know nothing about this coveted book! One needs to look in the old testament to see that YES Israel did have a standing army, or did you forget about both King David and King Solomon? Those who fear the bible’s contents are always the ones who cry foul and claim that it is a mere book of contritiousness! Your sins that you are carrying have found you out, and the wrath that you know coming your way is making you wanna not believe in the bible or anyother book that cracks the glass house you live in. Your ignorance of the bible’s contents is greatly superceeded by your anxiousness to attempt to squelch it’s very existence! This is typical of most sinners, and I do forgive you for being this way, and hopefull, you’ll see the light before you pass on. May God have mercy on your soul dear friend, for the path you travel is a road to your infinite demise unless you give yourself to the Lord!

    1. Yes, you are correct, I suppose that hordes of desert barbarians with stones and slingshots could be considered an “army.”

      In any event, they certainly were engaged in killing people – that’s in the Bible too. Conveniently overlooked, naturaly, by those who are conditioned to believe that this one culture’s propaganda is “God’s Word.”

      You really can’t see the propaganda in the following Bible quotes?

      [quote]When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; and when the LORD your God gives it into your hand you shall put all its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the cattle, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourseves; and you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the LORD your God has given you. Thus you shall do to all the cities which are very far from you, which are not cities of the nations here. But in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save nothing that breathes …

      Deuteronomy 20:10-16

      And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break into pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever …

      Daniel 2:44

      [The Israelites] warred against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and slew every male…. And the people of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones; and they took as booty all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods. All their cities in the places where they dwelt, and all their encampments, they burned with fire, and took all the spoil and all the booty, both of man and of beast …Moses said to them, “Have you let all the women live? …Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”

      Numbers 31:7-18

      He [the Jew] should not press his fellow [Jew] for payment …the foreigner [Gentile] you may press for payment.”

      Deuteronomy 15: 2-3

      You must not make your brother pay interest, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything on which one may claim interest. You may make a foreigner [Gentile] pay interest but your brother [fellow Jew] you must not make pay interest.

      Deuteronomy 23: 19-20

      Foreigners (Gentiles) shall rebuild your walls, and their kings shall minister to you …Your gates shall be open continuously; day and night they shall not be shut; that men may bring to you the wealth of the nations, with their kings led in procession. For the nation or kingdom that will not not serve you; shall perish; those nations shall be utterly laid waste….

      Isaiah 60:10-12

      You shall suck the milk of nations, you shall suck the breast of kings; and you shall know that I, the LORD, am your Savior and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.

      Isaiah 60:16

      And strangers [Gentiles] shall stand and feed your flocks, strangers shall be your plowmen and vinedressers; but you shall be called the priests of the LORD, men shall speak of you as the ministers of our God; you shall eat the wealth of the nations, and in their riches you shall glory.

      Isaiah 61:5-6[/quote]

  34. Behind The Bible Fraud
    Behind The Bible Fraud – What Was The Church Trying To Hide?
    http://www.rense.com/general66/hide.htm
    Be sure to reload this page for the latest comments!
    When I first spoke to a close Christian friend of mine about the publishing of Tony Bushby’s The Bible Fraud, her reaction was one that many Christians have expressed, and one that made me aghast. She didn’t want the book available because it would “persuade them away from the Bible and the word of God.” Further discussions with her and many other Christians around the world about The Bible Fraud all result in the Bible being quoted as the ultimate reference for the apparent “words of God,” and therefore the basis for their arguments. The problem lies in that they believe the Bible is infallible.

    If we examine the oldest known Bible to date, the “Sinai Bible” housed in the British Museum (I believe that, during his many years of research, Tony had a private viewing of this priceless book), we find a staggering 14,800 differences from today’s Bible and yet it still remains the word of God?

    1. That bible was obviously written in greek… so i would assume given the translation of the content, that there would be even more then 14,800 difference. But in essence the concepts are the same.

  35. Bible .
    The author of this article is self made idiot with IQ ape negronoid from africa and belong to the group like the jew communist bastard Obumba. The Bible is historical book and is about one race of people. Bible is approximately 7500 years old same as the WHITE race on this earth. Nobody finds remains of white people bones, DNA older then 7000 years. Negro and the other races have been on earth 70 thousand years.The word ARAB in ancient hebrew means MIX- in term of race,mix ape negro and white. The word jew didn’t exist till 17th century and “J” is not even letter of ancient hebrew. The jews are just impostors a serpent, satanic seeds the garden of Eden,satanic seed of NACHASH.

  36. Your an idiot
    First I am not a Christian, but do take the bible as the “greatest story ever told” but seriously You all are just more Americans that fail to see the bigger picture. For the bible kills as many people as a gun sitting on the table. It is the teachings within society and the milsleading within our religious and political structures that causes books and guns to kill people.
    When you take information and put it in the hands of uneducated people, that dont have the mental construction to comprehend what the actrual meaning of things are then you will have some serious misinterpretation of ideas, which will lead to the masculine archetype and materialistic mentality taking over. For what ever atheist wrote this, wake up and to the editor that published it, your an idiot and to all of you that think this way, this si why we are losing our country for you all fail to see the bigger picture of things.
    Sit down with a law dicitonary and read the 14th amendment and then you will realize why you are not known as people of the land but as mearely legal persons with privlidges.

    “A problem cannot be solved by the same consciousness that created it”
    Albert Einstein

    1. A problem can only be solved by the consciousness that created it, otherwise there would never be a solution.

    2. The bible didn’t create problems… man did. The bible mearly made us aware of our problems. and then offers a resolution for them.

      Jesus Christ.

      John 3:16

  37. You are all Satanists, Warped and demented!

    1. Thank you for a perfect example of how the Bible brainwashes people into hating others and painting them as evil.

  38. pathetic
    I love how you don’t mention the Talmud or the Torah in this heinous argument of yours, 2 “religious” books that you can bet have caused more damage than the Bible or the Koran. But then I guess you might be an “anti-Semite” by the Zionist pissants that run this world if you did that… pathetic

    1. What is “pathetic” is that you apparently are unaware that the Torah is part of the Bible, being either the Pentateuch or the entire Old Testament itself.

      So, clearly I am absolutely discussing the Torah here – in fact, pretty much only the Torah. The New Testament is something I have discussed elsewhere ad infinitum, but it is clearly yet another of the same long constructs by Jewish scribes as can be found in the Old Testament.

      As concerns the Talmud, I have written about that text as well many times. Here’s just one article:

      Quotes from Judaism

  39. Stupid is as Stupid Does (and thinks)
    “Seriously, the Bible has caused more horror and trauma on this planet than any other text in history.”

    Seriously – It is people who have caused more horror and trauma on this planet. You will likely be thrown in your own trash for being so stupid. Take responsibility and allow other people to do so and don’t blame a book especially the Bible.

    Crying for attention your entire life like you will cause more hooror and trauma.

    Anone close to you should run far away.

    1. Thank you for more Bible-induced hate speech.

      If the Bible doesn’t affect people’s behavior, then you are admitting that it has no value as a moral guide.

      Thank you for agreeing with me.

  40. Throw the Bible in the Trash
    You are sooo wrong !
    The Bible can only be understood by persons who have been given the Holy Spirit, otherwise you cant understand it. The people who critisize it, never read it and if they did, will get nothing out of it, to their eternal detriment. Believe in Jesus Christ and your life will change for the better.

    1. Yes, thank you. I understand that that is exactly what you have been told to believe.

      In the meantime, I have read the Bible many times, including referencing it in the original Hebrew and Greek.

      I was also born and raised a Christian, and became a born-again Christian possibly before you were born.

      My Lord and Savior led me to the truth, which is that the Bible is a book of propaganda from one particular culture.

      1. Bible.
        😮 NOT one of you ever mentioned the Eqyptian book of the dead.

        Didnt you know the book of the dead has the same stories as the bible does? Only the difference is the characters and how it is written.

        Do you ever remember the story about the ‘grand deception’ – ? think about it.

        Your thoughts mean nothing.. my thoughts mean nothing.. life matters..

  41. NO! People Should Follow the Bible!
    The bible has caused all of mankind’s suffering?! Let’s start with Das Kapital by Karl Marx from there we have Lenin, 15,000,000 murdered – Stalin 30,000,000 dead – Ho Chi Minh a couple million – Pol Pot now there is piece of work 3,000,000 – Lets not forget Mao the father of Red China 80,000,000+! And the Piker, Hilter probably thumped 10,000,000 or so for a grand total of 140,000,000. All of these rascals have one thing in common they hated religion. All of them were were atheist and they piled up 200,000,000+ plus bodies when one includes all of the other small time atheist thugs and they did it in less then 75 years! At the rate the friggin atheist are going in another 100 years they will have murdered everyone!

    They make the Christians and Muslims look like rookies. I’d take a genuine Christian or Muslim any day over an smug self righteous illuminated better then thou atheist. Don’t get me wrong I know a number of very good people that are atheist and a number of Christians that aren’t worth a hoot.

    1. Thank you, but this is not an either-or proposition.

      Throw Das Kapital in the trash too for all I care.

    2. You are an idiot too
      First of all, show me evidence that these men where atheist? Next Hitler, Stalin were working for the Vatican, as a recent report came out released from the British MI5 that Hitler was an agent working for them and the Vatican and that he had strong ties to the Pope himself. Next not believing in a organized religion like many of the people mentioned above does not make you an atheist, msot simply beleived in a philisophy like Buddhism or Confusianism.
      Then you forgot to mention probably the all time greatest murders of all. The Vatican. Remember the 9 Crusdes that spanned over a 1000 years? Estmated 100 of millions to billions, then iof you add in the recent Christina muslim war you have another 6-7 million. You are an idiot, get your history right, read the bible as a story not a literal document. It tells a lot about history and life and astrology. It has lots of hidden meaning that NO you dont need the “spirit” to understand it. Next, check out some unbiased research on these topics from NON christian sources then come to a conclusion, dont take someone elses word for it only trust yourself.
      Jesus said in the Gospel of Thomas, the only way to OUR father is through unselfish love of yourself and a reconnection to the earth.
      But that book was thrown out by the catholic church…hmm wonder why.

  42. I was looking for the right words, OK, here they come, wait, almost there YOUR AN IDIOT!!!!!! there now I feel better

    1. I love the way people with poor grammar call others “idiot.”

      I have to wonder about the school system that produces such individuals.

    2. to all name callers and haters
      Matthew 5:22
      But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca, ‘ is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

      I guess you name callers don’t even read your own book…enough said.

  43. Why did you leave out the Talmud?
    Funny how you left out the Talmud, the book of jewish spin that is every bit as hateful, as any of those mentioned.

    Moreover, it is the book of choice for todays so called jews.

    1. Nobody has left out anything. This post was about the Bible.

      Here are the Talmud quotes.

  44. All religions are an over complex fairy tale to explain the most basic principle, right vs wrong. Simple as that. Religion is in your heart, not some mega-structure resulting from “building envy”. I like George Carlins’ take on religion.

  45. Acharya, you are the greatest. Arguing with Bible thumpers is like having a battle pf wits with an unarmed opponent.

  46. Don’t worry, Acharya, you’ll get your wish. The Bible will be outlawed soon enough. You’ll have your Utopia of Light, but it won’t last long.

    1. Sorry, Ross, but no one said anything about outlawing the Bible. But I understand that such a perspective fits in with your Bible-induced delusion concerning Revelation and End Times.

      The believers who have been filled with sinister delusions are apparently just waiting for any “little person” to come along who might fit their Bible-induced notions of an adversaryl. The pathology created by this delusion is expressed through their seemingly gleeful hatred of nonbelievers and apparent sadism that wants to see the world end and have living, breathing human beings punished and tortured.

      A very sadistic cult – time to throw the Bible away.

  47. Why do comments need to be moderated and approved? What are you afraid people will say?

    Oh wait, I know.

    😀

    1. Gee, I don’t know, maybe because dozens of insane Bibliolaters keep trying to post incredibly vicious hate speech against me and others here.

      No one is obliged to be abused on their own website.

      All you are doing is proving my point about throwing the Bible in the trash because it makes people behave in an anti-social manner.

  48. Yet again another example of misplaced anger and hatred. I think it is people you have a problem with my friend. The Word is nothing but love but I wouldn’t expect you to know much about that seeing how you’ve obviously never read a Word of it… but go on with your disinformation… if the “Christian” religions can do iit why not the rest of you religious people. What a joke.

    1. So any “anger” or “hatred” we may have would be better placed on people rather than a book?

      The Word is nothing but love but I wouldn’t expect you to know much about that seeing how you’ve obviously never read a Word of it.

      Please provide proof for both of these assumptions. I’ve been reading the Bible on a regular basis in its original languages of Hebrew and Greek for many years – and you?

  49. Acharya S
    said Hilter well he is a role model Christian after all he said he based his SS on the jesuits type in , Hitlers Pope , and , Hitler and the church , and you will pull up some lovely photos on the Net i have seen them as a franciscan monk is looking on with joy at their Man

  50. Two thirds of the world believes in reincarnation. They took all references to this out of the Bible. After all, why would we need the priests and ministers and rabbi’s and so forth if we had “more chances” to get things right? Job security perhaps?

  51. Trash
    It wouldn’t be good to defile a perfectly good trashcan. 👿

  52. Always Christianity…always…
    Why dont you “freethinkers” worry about the horrible racist-supremacist jewish Talmud? You NEVER touch that subject NEVER.

    You are robots programmed to beleive you are “freethinkers”…

    1. Your contention is absolutely false and has already been addressed numerous times within this thread.

      Quotes from the Talmud

      I was born and raised a Christian – if there’s anything robotic, it’s that.

  53. religion
    Organized religion is one of the biggest lies in world history. It is a way to murder, make money. and control society. People need to wake up and see what is going on.

  54. RE:Throw the Bible in the trash
    Human Beings by far, are the Greatest Of Parasites, Humans do not like the Bible because Like insipid, spoiled children, Humans do not like to be told when they are wrong. I can only hope God did not create us. But I can also hope that He will destroy us. Human Beings, regardless of race or gender are hopelessly flawed creatures that have never, in human history, shown any real improvement in themselves. Truly a Tainted product of Engineering. When Mankind finally dies, I know no God will cry.

  55. My uncle has always said:

    “Throw everything away but the bible – the bible is all ya need”

    I always thought he was joking but he wasn’t. It’s about time somebody called a spade a spade – thank you Acharya S! You are a very brave and courageous woman for standing up to the brainwashed fundamentalist bible thumpers. If there was a god or even a Jesus, they would certainly support you. The world has certainly not been improved by any of the Abrahamic faiths. Quite the opposite.

    “If God has spoken, why is the world not convinced?”
    – Percy Bysshe Shelley, English poet (1792-1822)

    “I do not feel obliged to believe that some God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect had intended for us to forgo their use.”
    – Galileo Galilei, Italian physicist and astronomer (1564-1642)

    “Believing is easier than thinking. Hence so many more believers than thinkers.”
    – Bruce Calvert

    “It is difficult to get a person to understand something, when their salary depends upon their NOT understanding it.”
    – Upton Sinclair

    “Human history has a sad legacy of antagonism towards the “new”, & ironically, those who are least qualified to comment on a new subject are also those most actively engaged in denouncing it.”
    – Freddy Silva

    “Instead of mythology being a disease of language, it may be truly said that our theology is a disease of mythology”
    – Gerald Massey

    ——————–

    Christian quotes

    “My friend, god does not hear the prayer of a Jew for how in the world can god hear the prayer of a man that does not believe that Jesus Christ is the true messiah”
    – Reverend Baily Smith

    “No, I don’t know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.”
    – George H.W. Bush, when he was candidate for president

    “Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land – for Jesus Christ – to have dominion in civil structures, just as in every other aspect life & godliness. It is dominion we’re after not just a voice. It is dominion we’re after not just influence. It is dominion we’re after not just equal time. It is dominion we’re after. World conquest. That’s what Christ has commissioned us to do.”
    – George Grant – “changing of the guard” pg 50-51

    “Our goal, as Christians, is to dominate society”
    – Pat Robertson

    “Christianity & Democracy are inevitably enemies”
    – R.J. Rushdoony “Independent Republic” pg 122, 1964

    “The church should be a disciplined charging army christians, like slaves & solders ask no questions. We are fighting a holy war”
    – Jerry Falwell

    “Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors — in short, over every aspect and institution of human society.”
    – D. James Kennedy

    “Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith … We need believing people.”
    – Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of 1933.

    All religion comes down to for me is, [b]discrimination[/b] against those who believe differently. Or simply see no reason to believe at all. So, either you’ve all got the wrong god or god just doesn’t exist. I’ve seen nothing from any religion that truly supports spiritual enlightenment, let alone – democracy, freedom or equal rights. None of your gods impress me in the slightest way. And all theists have to offer in return is the typical name-calling and insults. Proving to us all that all they are doing is trying to sell us an invisible product. They help show the world that god doesn’t exist at the end of the day.

    [b]Mr. Deity and the Identity Crisis – VIDEO[/b] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mII6-IyaT3o[/url])

    [b]”I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”[/b]
    – Historian Stephen Henry Roberts 1901-71

    “If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.”
    – House

  56. Sexism and cultural Xenophobia predated the bible and have existed in populations prior to exposure to Judeo-Christianity. Asia was rife with such behavior generations before “Christian” kings of Europe sent trade emissaries and the priests who eventually followed. Communist (atheist) China is facing a surplus of men unable to find mates because ancient cultural practices led them to favor producing male offspring. Women were little more than trophies and baby factories, and a woman was valued on the number of sons she bore her husband.

    Religion, science and even the name of Progress have been used by exploitative forces to justify their behavior. Not long after Darwin published his origin of species, racists were claiming that various populations (Africans, Native Americans and even Jews) were “less evolved” than Anglo-Saxons due to anatomical variations then considered more apelike or primitive. Some slavery apologists suggested that Africans captured and exploited for Western society were better off, as in the care of a master they received modern medical treatment and might be taught to read.

    Any of the sins blamed on the Bible would exist even in its absence as they seem to be common flaws linked to humanity as whole. Communist China and Russia committed human rights atrocities for decades and to this day without a deity of any sort to justify those actions. In fact, it seems in attempting to stamp out the flame of faith they were driven to engage in the same behavior so demonized in association with religious cultures. I doubt very much those that suffered under such regimes would have considered their suffering justifiable in the name of Logic, Reason and Rationality nor been comforted to think they’d not been tortured or killed in the name of an “imaginary sky daddy”.

    The human impact of such brutal behavior is felt regardless of the personal motives of the dictator, his secular motives are just as shallow as any religious justification offered. As such I cannot say I would feel comforted by the outlawing of any or all religions, all it would do is create more victims as the faithful would then become the new Untermenschen, the new undesirable and would be treated with contempt and callous disregard for human dignity.

  57. Throw the Bible in the trash?
    Dear Acharya S.,

    I have done enough research over the years to know that you do not have your facts straight. Your sources are not very reliable, to say the least. Archaeology has confirmed the Bible again and again.

    Have you ever read F.F. Bruce? I bet you never heard of him.

    How about Alfred Edersheim, Randall Price, Carston Peter Thied or Matthew D’Ancona? Bet you never heard of them either.

    You said, “Modern society is far ahead of the Stone Age technology and mentality found in the Bible.”

    Oh really? Let’s see….

    Concerning Biblical technology, ancient people most certainly did not have stone age technology. Anybody who knows anything about ancient history knows this.

    Concerning Biblical mentality:

    The Bible says that we should love our enemies (Matthew 5:43-44). But these days, we know that hating our enemies is much better, don’t we?

    The Bible says that we should forgive “seventy times seven” (Matthew 18:21-22) But we know how outdated forgiveness is. It’s better to hold a grudge.

    The Bible says that love is the most important of all (1 Corinthians chapter 13). But we are advanced enough to know that love is not all that important, right?

    The Bible says that we should have an attitude of giving (Luke 6:38; see 6:1-38). But we know that it’s better to be selfish and self-centered, don’t we?

    The Bible says that people should have sex only in the context of marriage. But we are smart enough to know how silly that is; we can have all kinds of sexual relationships! Sexual diseases? Unwanted pregnancies? People being treated like sexual objects? Not a problem! (except for those people with an incurable disease like HIV or AIDS).

    You quoted Robert Ingersoll as saying,

    “If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament he would be a criminal. If he would strictly follow the teachings of the New, he would be insane.”

    Consider this: The Roman Empire was hit with plagues in 180 A.D. and 252 A.D. The Romans took their sick family members and placed them out in the street to die! The Christians, following the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles, took the sick people in and took care of them, at great risk to themselves.

    But being more “sane” than those Christians, we would never follow their example, now would we?

    I quote Mr. Spock (of Star Trek fame), who said, “In a society in which everyone is insane, a sane person would be considered insane.”

    I submit that our society is quite insane. I also submit that you are terribly, terribly wrong about the Bible.

    Sincerely,

    Robert Gamboe

    1. I am amused that you claim I can’t get my facts straight, when you yourself start off with an erroneous supposition.

      First, in your derogation, you indicate that you know my work; hence, you have the right to critique it. Next, you ask me about F.F. Bruce, asserting that I’d probably never heard of him. If you actually knew my work, as you have pretended to do, you would know that not only am I familiar with F.F. Bruce’s work, but I have also quoted him in my own book Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ ([url]http://stellarhousepublishing.com/whowasjesus.html[/url])

      In that book as well, you will find quotations from many other Bible and New Testament scholars.

      Obviously, I disagree with your assessment that I am “terribly, terribly wrong about the Bible.” The Bible remains not “God’s Word” but the propaganda of a particular ethnicity.

      There are many other sacred texts that are claimed to be “God’s Word.” Do you believe that they are? The Koran? The various Hindu texts? Why don’t you believe in these texts? Do you see them as manmade products of the culture in which and for which they were written?

      I am simply saying the same thing about the Bible. It is a product of the culture for which and by which it was written. It is a cultural artifact. There is nothing “terribly, terribly wrong” about that statement.

  58. The chief value of the Bible, the Hindu Vedas, the ancient texts of Egypt, Babylonia, China, Japan, and all the records of the mythological traditions of ancient cultures, lies in the window into the past that they provide for modern scholars of mythology and archeoastronomy.

    The ancient scriptures and mythologies are chock-full of coded references to astronomy. Ancient religion was an astro-theology that was fundamentally concerned with the operations of the cosmos as it was understood by the ancient sky-watchers.

    Decyphering the coded metaphors of the ancient scriptures and mythologies gives us an understanding of how ancient people viewed the cosmos and their place in it.

    There are discoveries to be made by studying the ancient scriptures and mythologies that reveal a deep knowledge of astronomy among ancient cultures, including the knowledge of Precession and its ramifications. (What ramifications I’m speaking of I will save for another essay.)

    I would not throw my own copy of the Bible in the trash. I would keep it on the shelf of my library of archeoastronomy, next to my books about Babylonian mythology and cosmology.

    Acharya S. is right about the Jewish, Christian, Moslem, and other religions perpetuating barbaric beliefs and customs. The foolish reverence that ignorant people have for the religious scriptures and mythologies as literal truth is pathological. But the ancient scriptures and mythologies also provide a guidebook to the thinking of ancient cultures, and are valuable to scholars of ancient history for that reason.

    Gregory Fegel

    1. Thank you Mr. Fegel
      well said …

  59. this guy is an idiot and should not be alllowed to post such articles on the web

    1. I see, only people who mindlessly adhere to the biblical propaganda should be allowed to speak?

      I think we already passed through that period in history: It was called the Dark Ages.

      And it might be a good idea to know the gender of the person you are libeling and attempting to oppress.

  60. Innate ?
    “We can use our innate decency, morality, intelligence and humanity. We can produce new “scriptures”…… “

    I would agree that humans do have “innate” intelligence, although one certainly wonders at times. (No doubt, it is the product of billions of very lucky mutations over millions of years, in very fortunate environmental conditions.)

    As for decency, morality and humanity (I assume you refer to kindness and mercy) it would certainly be nice if we displayed those qualities more often. But, I struggle with the assumption that these are “innate”, and I have read much evidence that indicates they are probably learned behaviors. Even the “best” humans (fill in your own names) will admit to the difficulty in consistently exercising them (they will admit it, because they also choose to exercise another learned behavior called honesty).

    Unfortunately, Mankind (sorry….I should use the gender-neutral, Humankind) has a proclivity to exercise other innate traits such as deceit, greed, laziness, selfishness, malice, rage, pride, self-delusion, hate, etc. etc. I suspect that humans have been and are perfectly capable of exercising these darker characteristics without ever even knowing that there is such a thing as a Bible or a Koran. I don’t know how many humans have been killed without any knowledge of the “old scriptures”, but I suspect there are at least as many as the number killed with such knowledge. (I wonder if some of those millions of killings you mention, might have happened simply because the killers were greedy, lazy, selfish, prideful, etc. ?)

    The ability to learn highly conceptualized concepts like “right” and “wrong” is itself, another innate and apparently unique human ability. Of course, your “right and wrong” might be different than my “right and wrong”. I suspect that we would each want to codify our own “new scriptures” ……for each others’ benefit, of course. If we happen to disagree on some point here or there, I’m sure we can just use our innate decency, morality, intelligence and humanity to work it out to everyone’s benefit. Hmmm…..Or if we could not, maybe we would eventually revert to Darwin’s scripture…..survival of the fittest.

    I for one believe that the nobler traits of Humankind, as well as, the definitions of right and wrong, do not easily proceed from the human heart.

  61. you people are only expressing your opinion here because you have no life.

    you have no life because you do not know the Lord jesus christ.

    I’m expressing my knowledge here because you people need to get a life.

    no christ, no life.

    Love,

    charlie

    Lord jesus cut through the deception of those who call themselves jews but are not jews but do lie, and teach these people morality, which comes from you, courage which comes from you, righteousness and justice which comes from you…and to love their fellow man as you do, you who died to save us from our sins, because you became man, dspite your infinite being and majesty, for this very purpose.

  62. dumb asses
    Throw the Torah and Talmud in the trash you inglorious basterds

  63. When
    I was 10 years old Jesus appeared to me in the sky holding a book in his hand. There are stories from within Tribes that he lived with long ago in this land before the Europeans arrived as well as the Mormons say in their book he lived in this land with Tribes, too.

    Jesus said men were going to do all manner of evil in his name. Man upon the earth had been doing evil in the name of their God or God’s long before Jesus was born of human flesh. Men were doing evil in their own names as well. If they won a war then they wrote they were the hero good guys, & if they lost a war then the other people wrote that they were evil people, and they were the good guys.

    Now the days of the Tribes are long gone, and your world of pay your “Bills” and die is here. I am just passing through.

  64. Faith isn’t fact, fact is fact
    Thanks for the excellent article.

    Now, for the facts:

    There is absolutely no proof that Jesus existed and was in fact a re-creation of a then 1000 year old myth with the same formula as:

    Krishna, Horus, Orpheus, Bacchus, Osiris, Dionysus, Buddha, Apollo, Hercules, Adonis, Ormuzd, Mithras, Indra, OEdipus, Quetzalcoatle, etc.

    So no Jesus equals no “anti-christ” and that should put many at ease.

    Many Christians claim the Old Testament is defunct for Jesus was the “lamb” to clear away its rules and regulations…not so:
    2 Timothy 3:16 “All scripture is inspired by God …”
    Luke 16:17 All the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever.
    Matthew 5:17 (Jesus) “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets…”

    Preachers lie that the Old Testament is no longer binding so that they can excuse the majority of evil that the bible promotes, manipulating scripture to assign a kinder nature to their God, hiding the violent, jealous, murdering, cannibalistic reality…yes so:

    Genesis2:16.47 All women must pay for the “sins” of their ancestors.

    Deuteronomy 3:3-7 God ordered Moses’ army to “utterly destroy” 60 cities, killing all the women and children within!

    Exodus 21:7 God gives out laws on how to sell one’s daughter into slavery.

    Psalms 135:8 & 136: God’s praised for slaughtering little babies.

    You didn’t try to understand our prayers.
    When we sang our praises to the Sun or Moon or Wind,
    you said we were worshiping idols.
    Without understanding you condemned us as lost souls
    just because our form of worship was different from yours.
    We saw the Great Spirit’s work in almost everything:
    Sun, Moon, Trees, Wind, and Mountains.
    Sometimes we approached Him through these things.
    Was that so bad?

    Tatana Mani
    Walking Buffalo of the Stonies

  65. i say yes
    yes throw it in the trash, the bible is a few historical facts, and the stories of many other, much earlier relgions, with a heaping pile of bullsh*t on the side.
    Gods SUN is risen, and without the LIGHT OF THE WORLD, coming over the HORUS-RIZEN, we would all perish.

    ya know, folks can’t keep a story straight for more than a week, you ask joe how his vacation was last year, than ask him again in 5 years, it isnt gonna be the exact same.

    do you really think that in a span of 2000 years, with all the translations, and scribes that may not have agreed with what they read, that they wouldnt change it to something they thought more suitable to them or their time?

    mankind has been warring over sh*t for a long time, but most of the reasons for these wars, are religion… my gods better than your gods. religion, territory, resources, slaves, women for breeding, i figure all would be reasons for ancient man to war against each other, but imo, religion, no matter the god(s) that go with it, is the main culprit 👿

  66. Hello
    Please beware, as God is not Mocked. Ignorance is no excuse when the information has been given to the whole world.
    Your name could be in Psalm 14

  67. .
    Humanity needs to grow up now. We need to be able to look issues in the face and deal with them truthfully and responsibly. When we do this, the Bible will to lose its relevance and current status. We need to accept this.

  68. I am sorry you are delusional. You “diss” something you know nothing about. People like you that have read the bible and have not stopped to analyze it are dangerous people. You are like the gambler that reads a book on blackjack and then goes to Vegas thinking he knows how to beat the game.

    The rules in the bible are timeless. The book is telling you everything you need to know to get along with your fellow man during this age. What to eat. How to do business. But you love the world under man-made rules right?

    I pity your soul.

    In fact – all you new-age folks (Acharya especially) that have been blinded enough to diss the word of God are in for shocking awakenings. You are angels of misinformation.

    1. I notice that you have nothing factual to offer, simply insults and derogation.

      Again, another example of how Bibliolatry makes people antisocial.

      Thank you for validating why this tome needs to be tossed in the trash.

    2. .
      You do not pity my soul. You say that you do, in order to make me feel bad so I’ll feel compelled to change what I think. The tactic is that of a child. All I’m saying is that you need to look more carefully at what you are saying that you believe in. It is not what you think it is.

  69. Dumbasses
    Don’t you realize that there will be a head and there will be a tail? It’s either you or them. This world doesn’t exist in as some kind of commensalist fantasyworks. There are tick birds, but a helluva lot more ticks. People won’t even suffer the MINOR infractions of others and those in power continue to be those who prey on others. This is natural selection and it is biology. The children of Israel tooks the women in Numbers 31; and you see it as some kind of psychotic infraction. The truth is that the Midianites would have done the same thing. The countries of the world enslave their own and others and fight wars for the profit of the upper crust. If someone in China isn’t exploited, you can’t afford to frickin pay your bills. Utopia only exists in your Disneyfied, fluoridated minds. You have to pick a side. None of the problems go away when religion goes away. Genghis Khan wasn’t carrying the cross or another religion to mask his greed.

  70. Gimme a break
    You say nothing about Jews and Atheists!
    Jewish Atheists via their Bolshevism have carried out the worst atrocities ever known to man at any time in the history of the world.
    Put it all on the table would you?
    Additionally, they have been the instigators of both WWs as well as Iraq (both times) and doubtless all wars and atrocities in the middle east.
    There is nothing you can say about these glorious facts…is there?
    I’d bet that most so-called “Christian” horrors were actually Jewish; because there is NO WAY that Christianity (by itself…not this fake Judaic-?Christianity that some suggest) can be responsible for any of it.
    The Old Covenant (again Jewish) Is where the wars and atrocities occur (and seemingly are condoned). Every “Preacher” who teaches anti-Christian messages from the Old Testament are obviously Zionist-Judaizers and NOT Christians.

    1. Really? I say nothing about Jews? The Bible was written by Jews – did you not know that?

      This short article isn’t about every atrocity ever perpetrated in all of human history. It’s about the value of the Bible.

      I have written extensively elsewhere about numerous other subjects, including criticizing “militant atheism ([url]http://www.examiner.com/x-17009-Freethought-Examiner~topic331891-Atheism?selstate=allcat#breadcrumb[/url]).”

      If you did a search on this site, you would find plenty of writings on Judaism – but this is one as well, because Christianity is Judaism for the masses. And Islam is Old Testament Judaism for Arabs.

  71. What you wrote here is directly from the mouth of Satan and one day you will see this…but too late.

    1. I’m sorry, but you simply cannot terrorize me into your archaic cult, no matter how much irrational hate speech you spew.

      But thank you for yet another example of how Bible-worship makes people antisocial.

  72. Believing in God
    This is the new age thinking for the new world order. The illuminati have it all figured out, they will soon bring forth or reveal their own Maitreya to the sheeple.

    The Lord commanded the habiru (wanderers) to kill off the sodomites, those who rule by bloodline. These were the rebellious against god.
    The Bible if followed today would have deterred the coming catastrophe designed to erase 80 percent of the world’s population.

    Part of the plan is to erase the word of God, and to destroy the belief in his Son, Joshua Ben Joseph who came forth as the random equation of natural selection.

    If you have no faith, you have no hope, and then you become an automaton, isn’t that what the discerning intelligence of the writer of the article is really saying? The bible is a relic, you have no faith,
    it is fake, you have no hope. Believe what the writer says, so that the writer can do the bidding of the Illumined ones and then tell you what to believe and what to hope for.

    Test your angels, your gut is telling you the author spews alot of sh*t, and the Bull is where the sh*t is, BABE.

    Men have killed men. We only need look at the current conditions in the world to see how the Illumined ones operate. They have used Religion as an art of war, and as a tool to cause conflagration among two peoples so that they oppose each other, than they sell them implements of war and destruction so they can go at it.

    We see that the United State government caused the war between Iraq and Iran and then spent years supplying both sides with ammunition and anthrax, and Sarin, and mustard gas……

    It is men who foment and kill, not god. Jesus said love the lord your god with all your soul and all your might, and your neighbor as yourself. Just listen to the words, they bring faith to hope. Hope springs eternal, its the last straw and the illumined ones are hell bent on destroying it.

    1. [quote]This is the new age thinking for the new world order. The illuminati have it all figured out, they will soon bring forth or reveal their own Maitreya to the sheeple.[/quote]
      Would you please stop posting this rubbish on my sites? I have nothing whatsoever to do with the Illuminati or Maitreya. This type of hostile delusion is created by Bibliolatry as well.

      By the way, priestesses were slaughtered and their goddess worship destroyed – by Bible-worshippers – so why do you call yourself “priestess?” Christianity doesn’t accept such a thing.

    2. [quote]It is men who foment and kill, not god.[/quote]

      Please read the Bible. Try to count the number of people God kills directly. Try to count the number of people killed on his direct order. Then think about what you said.

  73. re:
    [quote name=”Acharya S”]So any "anger" or "hatred" we may have would be better placed on [i]people [/i]rather than a book?[/quote]

    Yes, people are to blame. Doesn’t mean you burn them… just means you reason with them as best you can. Either way, give me one example of what “Christians” have done in the name of God that you consider an atrocity and I will tell you what the Word says about it.

    [quote name=”Acharya S”][quote]The Word is nothing but love but I wouldn’t expect you to know much about that seeing how you’ve obviously never read a Word of it.[/quote]
    Please provide proof for both of these assumptions.[/quote]

    II Timothy 3:16 – All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    I John 4:8 – He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

    If God is love (which is what the Word says) and all scripture is inspired by God then I would expect that the correct interpretation would show love.

    As to reading and knowing the word?

    [quote]Genesis2:16.47 All women must pay for the “sins” of their ancestors.[/quote]

    Where did you cut and paste that one from… some atheist scripture hate generator…. too funny man… come on.

    1. [quote]Acharya S wrote:
      So any “anger” or “hatred” we may have would be better placed on people rather than a book?

      Yes, people are to blame. [/quote]
      Yes, and people are to blame for having created the Bible and pushed its propaganda all over the planet.

      You’ve cherry-picked a few niceties from the New Testament, among all the rest of the tripe, including exhorting slaves to obey their masters and women to be quiet, etc., ad nauseam.

      You have not provided proof for your slur that I have never read the Bible, which you cannot do obviously, because I have read it many times. Hence, your contention was incorrect. But that rarely stops the Bible-thumper.

    2. Stephen – RE: “…give me one example…”
      “…of what “Christians” have done in the name of God that you consider an atrocity and I will tell you what the Word says about it.”

      Better yet Stephen – I’ll not only give you an example of an atrocity done in the name of the Judeo-Christian god, I’ll tell YOU what the “[i]Word[/i]” says about it.

      The atrocity was the religious mania that swept New England in the 1600’s, that not only resulted in the infamous Salem Witch Trials, but in hundreds of other religion-sponsored deaths throughout the area, perpetrated as a direct result of what the “[i]Word[/i]” said about it: “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” [[i][b]Exodus[/b][/i] [b]22:19[/b]]

      Was that what you had in mind, Stephen?

      pax vobiscum,
      archaeopteryx
      in-His-own-image.com

  74. Listen to yourselves
    Throw the comments section after articles in the trash because if it gets out of hand the killing might start. Just a way to keep us in conflict amongst ourselves and never do anything constructive.

  75. some honesty please
    This comment is a bit off topic but relevant to the question of faith and belief and I would like to know something?

    To all of you Christians out there I understand your zeal for what you believe and your desire to express yourselves to those of us who do not.
    I think it is great that you have found solace and comfort in your belief that there is a being out there somewhere that guides your life. I can see why you put your faith in that being to be there for you and to watch over you.

    What I would like to know is why when one of you or one of your loved ones is found to have cancer or some other life ending sickness
    you drop God like a bad habit and run to the nearest modern medical facility and seek out specialist with the most up to date scientific medical knowledge for a cure??

    Seems to me this is the time to show God your faith and trust in him
    is real. I mean how do you know that he did not give this sickness to you for that very purpose to find out just how much you do trust and believe in him and it also seems to me that by going to the modern scientific medical system you have just slapped him right in the face.

    seems a bit hypocritical to me to proudly state and carry yourself as a true believer but when trouble arises you turn to modern science.

    Why is it that you do not go to your pastor or whatever you have as your leader and ask to be anointed with oil and have the believers in your congregation lay hands upon you and seek your cure from the one you say you have faith and trust in??

    Or better yet rejoice and praise God for your sickness for you are going home to heaven where all of you are longing to be.

    I think it’s time for you all to be honest with yourselves and stop living the lie you have conned yourself into believing.

    It’s my opinion that the reason is because deep down you don’t really believe any of it but you are so invested in your belief system that you can’t bring yourself to face that fact and admit it.

  76. re:
    [quote name=”Acharya S”]Nothing in the Bible cannot be found in other texts and cultures. The very notion that these guidelines can’t be found in other cultures is the exact cultural bigotry and supremacy I am talking about that emanates from the Bible.[/quote]

    1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

    Find that one.

    1. I didn’t say that every word could be found elsewhere verbatim. The concept of a savior god is hardly new or original to Christianity. Nor is the idea of love or God as love, etc.

      The combination of Judaism and Paganism that became Christianity was definitely a novel notion, but, as the Good Book says, “There is nothing new under the sun.” (Ecclesiastes 1:9)

  77. I am 75 years old already .My family were a very religious family .I start reading the bible when i was 12 years old .It was and spanish bible the language spoken of my puerto rican people . I found so many lies and i wonder why so many people believe in that book.
    Jehova was a criminal a sex maniac a machista with any love for the humans and Jesus was and ego maniac who believe in hell for humans who dont believe in his point of views .Later in my life i star reading books of Bertrand Russell , ( Why i am not a Christian ) Robert G Ingersoll and specially to Achaira S which i am very very gratefull . If some day you take a vacation to the caribbean sea come to Puero Rico me and my wife will show you this beatiful paradise Island they call the Island of Enchantment

  78. You hold yourself out as educated but then to read your writings, it is clear that you have NO idea what you are talking about.
    I know you THINK you do and I recognize the sentiment because, at one time, I was in your place. I, too, was so arrogant and sure of my “beliefs” and felt the Christians were surely stupid to believe in the obvious myth.
    But then I read the Bible. I understand it’s place. I understand it’s message.

    Make no mistake, there IS something there. But you have just missed it.
    You rail against that which you do not understand.

    I do feel sorry for you and I hope that you find what you are seeking. AND it is clear from your words that you are a seeker–why do you feel so excluded? It is only YOU who excludes you.

    I encourage you to forget what you think you know and try to open your mind to what is really out there to know.

    Good luck to you!

    1. You present nothing factual to refute what I have said but simply engage in a long string of ad hom personal attacks and derogation.

      Thank you for providing yet another example of how Bibliolatry makes people unpleasant.

  79. re:
    [quote name=”Thomas”]Seriously, if the rules of the bible applied to today’s society, we all would have been put to death by now.

    Touching the hide of a pig; eating shellfish; approaching an altar with a deformity; wearing clothing made of different material; working on Sunday; allowing hair to grow past the temples; planting more than one vegetable in a garden.

    These are all abominations according to the bible, and are punishable by death.

    What a wonderful book of love written in the words of a loving creator![/quote]

    Let’s try to nip this one in the bud, so to speak. The lack of knowledge between the OT and the NT with many of you is appalling. You all are making judgements on the Bible without even knowing what it says. Choosing to believe in the God of the Bible is one thing after knowing what it actually says, but not knowing what it says and making such mind hoops for yourself, let alone anyone else that comes along is simply intellectually dishonest and it’s just as bad as any example given of “Christians” killing people supposedly because the Bible says to do it. Give me a break. First, tell me where it says followers of Christ are to kill people in the Word of God… and remember… know what you are talking about. Maybe read the following and get a basic understanding of the New Testament, why the OT existed and the reason the laws fromt he OT were given by God.

    http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp127.htm

  80. I think this explains everything here.

    [quote]Acharya can be best explained by invoking the Navkar Mantra of Jainism. Whenever any prayer is carried out in a Jainism household… the first prayer invoked is the Navkar Mantra. The fourth line of the Navkar Mantra addresses paying obeisance to the Acharyas.[/quote]

    Yes… Acharya s. would like to be paid obeisance. Looks like she has her following. Don’t worship God people… worship Acharya. Come on Arch… if you want to come across as an intellectual who has the knowledge to myth away the Bible… it might help not using one that is paid obeisance in prayer… oh my.

    Stephen

  81. H.L. Mencken said it pretty well…

    “Say what you will about the Ten Commandments, you must always come back to the pleasant fact that there are only ten of them.”

  82. Never about Peace
    Thank you Acharya for convincing me it’s time to stop going to the rense.com site.
    Why is not the Koran in the trash alongside the Bible?
    As I have said to other haters of religion over the years, it is the people, not the religion, that commit the crimes and do not obey their respective religion. The same mistakes over and over. Jesus taught to love thy neighbor as thyself. The fact that people do not follow his principles but use the religion to try and hide or rationalize their flaws is not the religion’s fault. If there has been over a billion Christians born since Christ but maybe there has been only a million? (who knows) who have ever actually practiced it. It is testament to our God-opposed mind and also testament to the folly of your contention about the inherent decency of humans or however you put it. Good night, nurse, on that one. I studied the inquisition for awhile, initiated by two German priests. I sometimes left hiding my tears. Do I blame the original religion, the original principles or Jesus for this or the individual men? Anyhow, those of us who do not take the Bible literally and do gain from the goodness in it will never throw it out. Those like you will never have a Bible in your house to throw out, so you are just preaching to the choir. Can you please consider stopping insulting people and move on from your career of religion bashing. It does not help humanity the way you have yourself convinced.

  83. throw the book;AT THEM!GET SOME WOOD;ITS COLD OUT THERE. 🙂

  84. It is either Heaven or Hell . . .
    Do not bad mouth the Bible which is God’s book. Each of us, like it or not, will end up in Heaven or in Hell. No other options. Why risk going to the bad place because of being a smart mouth wise guy? We, none of us including me, have no idea what is beyond a universe or many universes? Where is that final wall and what could possible be behind it? Read the good book with faith if you dare and watch the flapping lip.

    1. Which “good book”? There are so many.

      [quote]Each of us, like it or not, will end up in Heaven or in Hell. No other options. [/quote]

      How do you know? …because the book says so. How do you know the book tells the truth? …Because God wrote it. How do you know God wrote it? …Because the book says so.

      [quote]We, none of us including me, have no idea what is beyond a universe or many universes?[/quote]

      I agree. But you just said each of us were all going…..nevermind.

    2. For centuries now, there have been numerous accounts of persons who had undergone near death experiences coming back and informing us that there is no such thing as heaven or hell.

  85. bible
    last time i looked, atheist communist governments were responsible for hundreds of millions of murdered, mostly their own citizens, but others, of course, as well. show me in the bible where Jesus taught anyone to murder others. just because someone commits crimes in the name of Christianity doesn’t mean the bible told them to do them. i have heard fools make this allegation many times before, regurgitating this same old worn out excuse for their rebellion against God. i have news for them. those they idolize have already found out the truth, but too late. apparently they wish to join them.

  86. Have you read it
    Have you read the bible?

  87. eh
    Let’s throw the author in the trash

    1. Thank you for proving my point about Bibliolatry making people antisocial and hateful.

      The followers of the Koran are not much less civil in the defense of their cultic text. They too will abuse a living, breathing human being over a book. Disgraceful.

  88. Sorry about the misquoted verse. Some how I thought you quoted that one so I wanted to grab one that you did quote.

    [quote][The Israelites] warred against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and slew every male…. And the people of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones; and they took as booty all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods. All their cities in the places where they dwelt, and all their encampments, they burned with fire, and took all the spoil and all the booty, both of man and of beast …Moses said to them, “Have you let all the women live? …Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”[/quote]

    While i stick to the KJV and usually go Hebrew to get the best understanding of what a verse is actually saying… this is close enough, so let’s try to understand, within context, what is going on here.

    I think the following site says it clear enough.

    http://www.kingdavid8.com/FAQs/BibleKeepVirgins.html

    [quote]The command in question, given by Moses, is in Numbers 31:17-18 “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”
    To understand this command, a little background is necessary. The situation is that the Medianites are trying to destroy the Israelites, and Moses orders the Israelites to kill the Medianites in order to remove the threat, but to spare the lives of the females. But the adult female captives start trying to lure the Israelites into practicing idolatry. So Moses changes his command, and orders them to kill adult females as well, but to spare the female virgins. Now, in Medianite culture, all females were married off as soon as they reached puberty. So the virgins being spared here are pre-pubescent children, even infants in many cases. For the critics to suppose that “keep alive for yourselves” means to have sex with them is an awfully demented assumption. What God is ordering the Israelites to do is adopt them, which is the most humane thing they could do. Their only other choices would be to kill them or to let them fend for themselves with no parents. Despite how the verse is perceived by critics of the Bible, this is a command to show mercy, not a command to do harm.[/quote]

    Stephen

  89. The Other book
    Why the Bible? There hasn’t been a war based on the Bible since the Crusades. However every war for the past several hundred years have been financed and profited from by those with copies of the Talmud. It would do the world a much better to ban that book. Its racist, supramacist ideology lead to international bankers destroying the US and Europe’s economies, an apartheid country in the middle East, and many countless other ills. It says it is ok to kill and steal from the goyim, just to start.
    Wake up.

  90. The Bible: Valuable or Not?
    Well Acharya, I’m Catholic, and, as you’d expect, I have a contrary view to yours with regard to the Bible. Of course it’s true that the Bible has been used throughout history for violent and oppressive ends, and there are certainly passages, in the Old Testament particularly, that lend themselves to that use. However, the good people of the world – and that is the vast majority – find, and have always found in the Bible, a guide to living that has helped them weather the storms of life by giving their lives meaning and purpose. The good people of this world, those who believe in and use the Bible for life, are not fanatics, oppressors, or demagogues. Unfortunately, tragically, their leaders have always known how to use religious faith to mobilize nations for war and conquest, and the natural human propensity to sin has long led even the good people of the world to commit terrible acts as a result of this mobilization, but that does not mean that the Bible itself is bad. Rather, it means that people are prone to sin and can easily be led astray, particularly when they are seized by fear and zenophobia, and urged on by leaders they trust. The Bible should not be blamed for the terrible events of history. The PEOPLE that used the Bible for evil ends are to blame for those events.

    For thousands of years, people have had to read, or hear, the Bible with faith, without little confirmation of their beliefs from sources outside the Bible itself. With the advent of science, scepticism regarding the events of the Bible has increased exponentially. At last, however, science appears to have confirmed one of the central events -perhaps THE central event – of the Bible: The Resurrection of Christ.

    Scientists investigating The Shroud of Turin, thought since the 1980’s to be a Medieval forgery due to radiocarbon dates pointing to an origin in the late thirteenth century, were unconvinced by those dates because of several anomalous features of the Shroud and continued their research. According to the Shroud of Turin website previously run by Barrie Shwortz, one of the original 1978 STURP investigators, the scientists have reached a consensus stating that the radiocarbon dates were wrong and that the Shroud probably dates to the first century. It has long been known that the blood on the Shroud is human blood, and that the image of the “Man in the Shroud” does not appear beneath the bloodstains, indicating that the image was formed after the stains. The focus of the investigators has since been the exact nature of the image itself. It is very diffuse, confined to the topmost fibers of the cloth, and seems to disappear the closer one gets to the Shroud. Owing to the fact that the bloodstains are not smeared on the cloth, as they would have been if the wrapped body had been removed, the investigators have concluded that the image was formed by an intense burst of some unknown energy that came from the dead body of the Man, who was dead, as evidence of the onset of rigor mortis shows. They have further concluded that the image was made as the body PASSED THROUGH THE SHROUD.

    What all this indicates to me is that the image of the Man in the Shroud is that of Jesus Christ, and that it is, in effect, a PHOTOGRAPH OF THE RESURRECTION!

    1. Thank you. And why are you Catholic? Because you’ve been conditioned to believe that the Bible is God’s Word and that the stories in it really occurred.

      Why not the Iliad? Why not believe in its stories and gods? You would have been conditioned to do so if you had been born in ancient Greece 2,500 years ago.

      You are only a Catholic because of the era and location. If you had been born in India, chances are you would be a Hindu or Muslim.

      Why do you not accept all the stories about the Hindu gods? There have been plenty of miracles and relics to prove those as well. Conditioning, location, era. That’s it.

      And the shroud is clearly bogus. One of many bogus artifacts used to bolster up the faith.

  91. Babylonian Talmud has killed more
    The kosher Babylonian Talmud has killed more people than all other religions combined, and it’s just getting started.

  92. I pity you for your blind darken eyes
    For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing…

    Your self appointed wisdom is your blindness. I hope some day soon you see the true message of the Bible.

    1. And again, condescension, arrogance, conceit and derogation based on Bibliolatry ([url]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bibliolatry[/url]).

      Anybody get why the Bible needs to be trashed?

  93. scary thought
    Here’s what I used to believe: all religions can’t be right even though they all claim to be, therefore they are probably all wrong.
    I was comfortable in my new found wisdom(I was only 12 years old at the time.) I figured the argument was over and went on to other pursuits. Later on, as she often does, my significant other asked me why I believed that all religions were wrong? Why couldn’t they all be right? My knee jerk reaction to this statement was that it was totally absurd. She went on to remind me of Quantum Theory in which reality is changed simply by the act of being observed by the observer(us). So she went on to ask me, “What if the universe accommodates any belief if it is believed strongly enough by enough observers?” The universe is definitely big enough to accommodate them all. So my friends what if you are all right? Somewhere out there is a heaven with golden streets and pearly gates. Hindus are being reincarnated right and left. And there’s even some happy Vikings battling away in Valhalla as we speak!
    Very scary thought if you ask me. My advice is to be very, very careful in what you choose to believe. But what if…

    Myself I think I might like to join my Native American brothers in their happy hunting grounds…although I haven’t figured out yet exactly why we will still be hunting? Do spirit people still get hungry?

  94. some honesty please
    This comment is a bit off topic but relevant to the question of faith and belief and I would like to know something?

    To all of you Christians out there I understand your zeal for what you believe and your desire to express yourselves to those of us who do not.
    I think it is great that you have found solace and comfort in your belief that there is a being out there somewhere that guides your life. I can see why you put your faith in that being to be there for you and to watch over you.

    What I would like to know is why when one of you or one of your loved ones is found to have cancer or some other life ending sickness
    you drop God like a bad habit and run to the nearest modern medical facility and seek out specialist with the most up to date scientific medical knowledge for a cure??

    Seems to me this is the time to show God your faith and trust in him
    is real. I mean how do you know that he did not give this sickness to you for that very purpose to find out just how much you do trust and believe in him and it also seems to me that by going to the modern scientific medical system you have just slapped him right in the face.

    seems a bit hypocritical to me to proudly state and carry yourself as a true believer but when trouble arises you turn to modern science.

    Why is it that you do not go to your pastor or whatever you have as your leader and ask to be anointed with oil and have the believers in your congregation lay hands upon you and seek your cure from the one you say you have faith and trust in??

    Or better yet rejoice and praise God for your sickness for you are going home to heaven where all of you are longing to be.

    I think it’s time for you all to be honest with yourselves and stop living the lie you have conned yourself into believing.

    It’s my opinion that the reason is because deep down you don’t really believe any of it but you are so invested in your belief system that you can’t bring yourself to face that fact and admit it.

  95. Apparently Acharya S is completely ignorant of the Jewish Talmud!

    Read that vial POS and then tell me how evil the Christian bible is!

  96. Crazy
    250 million people were killed by socialists like Hitler (the head of the
    German National Socialist Workers Party, you know, Nazis), Stalin,
    Mao. They were not Christian. But hey, I understand that you need to
    lie to yourself and everyone around you in order to have your opinion.
    One glance at your website and its clear you are a closet satanist.
    Sheez, you don’t have to TRY to burn in eternity, bud.

  97. clearly the writer has no understanding of God or the bible his/her thoughts are not even worth entertaining, he will be judged by God

  98. Well…
    Should we throw something away just because people have demonstrated a mentality incapable of decyphering it correctly?

    You can’t blame religion but you can blame people themselves for believing in things that are only subjective, and twisting meanings of scripture to fit their own agendas.

  99. People are bloodthirsty, with or without religion. Julius Caesar bragged about killing a million Gauls in his conquest of that region, and he wasn’t a Christian. Or you could look at the Assyrian bas-reliefs in the British museum, which gloatingly depict ghastly atrocities including impalement and flaying alive. And so on; you can read Solzhenitsyn’s comparison in _The Gulag Archipelago_ of the Inquisition’s body count as compared with that of the Cheka. The atheists killed more than the believers could dream of.

    Religion is actually an improvement, in one sense. A good Christian might commit atrocities, but there’s a chance that he will be tormented by guilt. The pre-Christians, e.g. the classical Greeks and Romans, didn’t seem to have a problem with all sorts of wretched cruelty. There are good arguments against religion, but the “religion causes war and cruelty” argument isn’t one of them.

  100. craig
    The church was 1500 years without a bible and many people died for their faith and so many saints had the work of god in them that millions were converted,the bible is a book but god never said write bibles and pass them on and make your own opinion about it, but he pass tecahings down from the early fathers of the church and god worked in so many of them, for they have divine faith for the followed him with all their heart and god gave what ever they asked for, raised the dead controled the weather converted millions even the hardest unbelivers, the bible is gods word but not god for you are not saved by the bible see how many different churches came out from the bible.

  101. Ban the Bible as a dangerous mind virus
    Thanks for the posting Acharya S.

    The Bible should be banned as a dangerous mind virus. Should society allow dangerous biological viruses to rage uncontrollably? Absolutely not. Well the so called Holy Bible is a memetic mind virus, more dangerous then any biological virus based on body count.

    The Bible is a book of memes, when a normal gentle humans are infected by the “bible code” they can turn into a psychopathic killers. Our voluntary military is infested with Christian memebots, anxious to kill Muslims because of their Bible indoctrination. The military is very well aware of this and has promoted fundamentalist crazies to top rank of General and they are working closely with Israeli intelligence to start World War 3. Just a week ago the top US Admiral Mullen meet with General Gabi Ashkenazi to plan World War 3. Get ready for hundreds more millions dead.

    All because of the memes. The world is in mortal danger, Jews and Christians are aligning to start nuclear war on Muslims. After the radioactive dust settles I doubt many are going to tolerate religion much longer. No more bullsh*t people, this is deadly serious the situation caused by religious belief.

    It’s time to ban the Bible, its not holy, it’s satanic evil. Fear as a base for religion creates war. There is no judging god, there is no devil or hell, there is no salvation needed. It’s all a great big lie.

    I’ve written many essays on this exact topic, found here:

    [b]http://www.blogger.com/profile/16312560191165755438

    http://deathcultmemes.blogspot.com/%5B/b%5D

    or google these phrases to find:
    [b]
    Apocalyptic Resolution of Mass Consciousness

    Death Cult Memes and the Future of America

    Calculating Antichrist Three

    Imagine a World Without Jews

    Modern Shaman Journey

    Jehovah is a Big a**hole

    666 Decoded

    Zeitgeist is THE Movie

    Shadows of the Beast

    THE MEME HAS YOU

    Left Behind Madness

    Revelations During the Shift of Consciousness

    Manifesting Revelations

    The Door Out of Hell
    [/b]

  102. re: Crazy
    [quote name=”Frank”]250 million people were killed by socialists like Hitler (the head of the
    German National Socialist Workers Party, you know, Nazis), Stalin,
    Mao. They were not Christian. But hey, I understand that you need to
    lie to yourself and everyone around you in order to have your opinion.
    [/quote]

    Your point? Religious folks can’t seem to think outside of religious concepts. Atheism is a NON-belief in something, not another religion. I know, hard for you to swallow. National Socialism & Communism are belief systems. Dogmas. Faiths. Like the pre-fab ideology that was installed in your head as a substitute for real thought.

    They all have bad reason & no evidence to support their claims, a novel view of history & humanity’s purpose, us-&-them mentalities, saints & martyrs, “devils”, promises of some future utopia after some terrible final struggle with the baddies, rules that dictate people’s lives, ect. And the interests of these Faiths always come way before the needs or lives of real people.

    And your tired old knee-jerk anology is an embarrassing non sequitur that consistently makes apologists look dumb. “Non-(insert religion) have killed so you can’t criticize all the killing (insert religion) did”. Funny.

    Killing is wrong, isn’t it? Was it wrong when Stalin did it for his Faith? If so, it was wrong when the various Jesus cults did it for their (& your) Faith too.

    [quote] One glance at your website and its clear you are a closet satanist. Sheez, you don’t have to TRY to burn in eternity, bud. [/quote]

    Wow. You sure have a quick eye for spotting the devil’s minions. You would’ve been a great heretic-sniffing Inquisitor or witch hunter in the good ole’ days.

  103. And you have made yourselves unarmed. Who do you think will win? Not the Atheists.

    We got the guns. You don’t.

    1. Who is “you?” And what “atheists?” I have never claimed to be an atheist.

      So, because of the Bible you have set up your little world of believers and unbelievers, and the Bible has so brainwashed you that you think [b]only Bible-believers are theists [/b](don’t worry about the 2+ billion Muslims, Hindus and other religionists).

      And you consider that violence – murder, in fact – is the only way to go, apparently, for all people who do not believe as you do.

      Thank you for yet another reason why the Bible needs to be thrown in the trash – it produces “Savage” mentalities such as yours.

  104. Albert Pike
    “The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.” – Albert Pike 33rd Degree Freemason

    1. I am not an atheist. I have no interest in Albert Pike, Masonry or Illuminati, other than as historical curiosities, and I’m trying to [i]prevent [/i][b]World War III, which will surely be caused by people driven to violence by insanity-producing BOOKS and SCRIPTURES such as the Bible and the Koran.[/b]

  105. re: Throw the Bible in the trash?
    [quote]I have done enough research over the years to know that you do not have your facts straight. Your sources are not very reliable, to say the least. Archaeology has confirmed the Bible again and again.[/quote]

    So the sun revolves around the 6000 year old earth & a big pillared “firmament” overhead holds up the sky & controls the rain?

    [quote]You said, "Modern society is far ahead of the Stone Age technology and mentality found in the Bible."

    Oh really? Let’s see….

    Concerning Biblical technology, ancient people most certainly did not have stone age technology. Anybody who knows anything about ancient history knows this.[/quote]

    Huh? Which 8000+ part of ancient history? So stone age people didn’t have stone age technology? Do you really doubt the level of technological advance we have over the authors of the Bible?

    If you ever catch leprosy, try Leviticus 14 instead of a hospital. I suppose that 2 dead birds, cedar wood, a scarlet string, & hyssop are cheaper than paying a deductible, though.

    [quote]Concerning Biblical mentality:

    The Bible says that we should love our enemies (Matthew 5:43-44). But these days, we know that hating our enemies is much better, don’t we?[/quote]

    Strawman arguement. It’s not an either-or proposition. Plenty of Christians hate their enemies. Plenty of non-Christians don’t. And that teaching is much older than the NT.

    [quote]The Bible says that we should forgive "seventy times seven" (Matthew 18:21-22) But we know how outdated forgiveness is. It’s better to hold a grudge.[/quote]

    How forgiving is creating a flaming torture-pit & roasting your children for eternity in it? How’s that for a grudge?

    [quote]The Bible says that love is the most important of all (1 Corinthians chapter 13). But we are advanced enough to know that love is not all that important, right?[/quote]

    Another strawman. We don’t need the Bible to know that. More common sense that predates the Bible.

    Love sure tops the “fear of the Lord” that God demanded for most of the Bible,though. And if you don’t do what Jesus tells you, he’s going to sentence you to burn in that flaming torture-pit his daddy made forever & he isn’t going to do anything about it. How’s that for love?

    [quote]The Bible says that we should have an attitude of giving (Luke 6:38; see 6:1-38). But we know that it’s better to be selfish and self-centered, don’t we?[/quote]

    Another strawman. Who said otherwise? Again, people didn’t need the Bible to tell them these things were good. More common sense & way older than the Bible.

    [quote]The Bible says that people should have sex only in the context of marriage. But we are smart enough to know how silly that is; we can have all kinds of sexual relationships! Sexual diseases? Unwanted pregnancies? People being treated like sexual objects? Not a problem! (except for those people with an incurable disease like HIV or AIDS).[/quote]

    Another strawman. People aren’t required to be promiscuous perverts to reject the Bible. Most aren’t. And it sure beats the polygamy & killing of adulterers that come with that book.

    My mom divorced a violent, abusive piece of trash. She remarried. According to Jesus, she’s going to be tortured forever for this (Luke 16:18). No thanks.

    [quote]You quoted Robert Ingersoll as saying,

    "If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament he would be a criminal. If he would strictly follow the teachings of the New, he would be insane."

    Consider this: The Roman Empire was hit with plagues in 180 A.D. and 252 A.D. The Romans took their sick family members and placed them out in the street to die! The Christians, following the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles, took the sick people in and took care of them, at great risk to themselves.

    But being more "sane" than those Christians, we would never follow their example, now would we?[/quote]

    Another strawman. Most of the world isn’t Christian. Most of the world’s sick aren’t being left out to die. Good people don’t need sky-genie dogmas to take care of eachother.

    It’s not some huge mystery. Religions get their values, both good & bad, from the men who create them. These things are human traits.

    [quote]I quote Mr. Spock (of Star Trek fame), who said, "In a society in which everyone is insane, a sane person would be considered insane.&#34

    I submit that our society is quite insane. I also submit that you are terribly, terribly wrong about the Bible.[/quote]

    How sane was European society during the 1000+ years of Christian domination? I submit that we’ve come a long way since then & as to the Bible, I respectfully disagree with you.

    [/quote]

  106. The Key Is Red
    Throw the Bible into the trash. I’m sure the satanists will agree with you. Also the pedophiles, the gays, the corrupt politicans and mafia’s, communists, Blackwater (Xe), the military industrial complex and all the others who live for what this world, that belongs to lucifer, has to offer.
    People who kill in the name of God (thou shalt not kill) obviously donot read the Bible. As the prophecies have foretold, soon mankind will be cleansed from the earth. And throwing away the Bible, tossing Christians into prisons and sharing cultists ideals believe it or not, will not make the world a better place. Maybe for the self-worshipping types, but no one dares blame the almighty athiests, they are the way to true happiness.

    1. Let’s see – there wouldn’t [i]be [/i]any Satanists without the Bible, so there’s one down.

      Pedophiles? Most seem to be religious fanatics, like Catholic priests and Muslim imams.

      Gays? Well, yes, they’ve been badly abused by the Bible, and I think it should be tossed for that reason as well. (Thank you for admitting that.)

      Corrupt politicians? The vast majority in this country have been Christian.

      Mafia? The Italian one is very Christian, as we saw in “The Godfather” movies.

      Communists? I have no interest in that at all, but I believe they claimed that Jesus was one in order to give their cult legitimacy.

      Blackwater? Have you canvassed all those involved to find out what religion they were? Probably Christian. Did they have those nifty Bible passages in their rifle scopes? Ditto with the military industrial complex.

      “Lucifer” is a biblical construct. The original word simply means “light bearer,” nothing diabolical about it. Just an old mythical figure – called “Eosphoros” or “dawn-bearer” in Greek. Just a natural phenomenon, nothing sinister. The Christian cultus with its myths has made it something else. Without Christianity, there are no sinister “luciferians” lurking around. Just evil people as usual, plenty of which can be found in Christ’s Church as well.

      “As the prophecies have foretold, soon mankind will be cleansed from the earth.”

      No, as the biblical propaganda has set into motion, like a blueprint being followed, human beings will kill themselves off because of the brainwashing found in texts like the Bible.

      1. Dear Acharya S,
        I quite agree with your stance.
        One point I would like to bring to your attention is this:
        I have noticed from a study of history, both ancient and modern, that cultures (and by extension civilizations) act out their personal myths. Comparisons of, e.g., the histories of Rome, India and Persia show that the historical crises that transform or bring them down follow an paradigmatic pattern deeply embedded in the myths by which they define themselves. The monotheistic obsession with the End, with all its psychological implicits, suggests a far from happy future for our suffering planet: the political co-option of this impulse is, imho, cause for serious concern by any clear-thinking person.
        On a brighter note, as no people survive the death of their religion, continued rational criticism of the latter will ultimately resolve the problem. Besides, when no profit can be made from religious adherence, the majority will abandon it, and only the wounded, inadequate and stupid will follow it. And when such press their claims they will be seen for what they are, and treated accordingly. Being a Limey, I can assure you that this is true of Satanic Yurp!
        Yours Z.

  107. Help us
    Show us the way, almighty athiest.

  108. The New Bible
    Excellent article Acharya. Reading this, I happened upon a great revelation.

    I know that all Christians, scholars, believers, non-believers…in fact, everyone in the world cannot argue the one fact about the Bible that is irrefutable. And that is…

    …human beings wrote words on parchment with ink, and those parchments became the Bible.

    Let’s recap…human beings like you and me wrote this book. Inspired by an invisible entity or not, the fact is that they were just like us. Humans.

    So, I figured why not let every human being in the world have an outlet to write their own “inspired” scriptures. Let’s call them ‘forums’, ‘blogs’, ‘tweets’ and let us build massive social networking databases where like-minded humans can interact and share their thoughts and writings with others. This shall be the Bible for the modern human, where one can search dynamically through millions of words of wisdom from humans throughout the ages from all walks of life. Sound like a great idea?

    Oh wait…we already have that…

    …it’s called: The Internet.

    My bad…carry on.

    Wake up and welcome to the new world people.

  109. It’s not for you to understand
    The jews are not the people of the Bible. No wonder you want to throw it out.

    With the understand that the Anglo-Saxons are the Hebrews of old and the true Israelites, the history of the Bible will make sense.

    YHVH God said the Kingdom is not for everyone to understand. If you are not a white western European, go a head and toss the bible in the trash as you have so elegantly stated. It is worthless to you.

  110. The bottom line is that we need no such old scriptures to lead our lives righteously. We can use our innate decency, morality, intelligence and humanity. We can produce new “scriptures”

    sure- who do you suppose should write the new scriptures? Dick Cheney can write on decency….. Clinton, Edwards, and all the other cheaters could add on morality…. George Bush could write a chapter on intelligence, and maybe the federal reserve, rat boy tim geithner and the good ol boys at goldman sachs could teach us all a lesson on humanity.

    maybe, just maybe if some of the doubters could clear their heads of all the crap and materialism we are fed from the day we are born, the truth would be easier to understand. put away your computer and read the bible till you understand the book well enough to give an oppinion about it….. in the end non believers will find themselves in the “circular file” and i won’t be able to give you any more excellent advice then!

  111. How about Talmud ?!

  112. blameanythingbuthetrueresponsi

    the bible is a tool u cant blame blame a tool for MAN inhumanity
    MAN kill not the gun he is holding in hes hands, MAN
    that same gun can be used to save lifes if the MAN holding it choose to do so
    the gun is no way responsible for the way it is used in and have no free will

  113. I am godless and proud of it
    The bible is fictional book and all the characters in are fictional.
    If you want to believe in Bible then your “all loving God” was the biggest mass murderer as he wiped life on this planet by flood and some other disasters.

  114. STUPID CLAIMS!
    “Even this biblical “history” is so slanted that, on the few instances where it has been confirmed by external sources…” Again, making broad claims that are baseless. I’m sorry, but you truly DON’T know what you’re talking about, and anyone who would buy your books would be throwing away their money. I hate to be the one to inform you, but history in the Bible has been confirmed many, many times. In point of fact, EVERY attempt to disprove Biblical claims has been frustrated! Do me a favor, you made the claim, so PROVE it! Find me just one instance in archaeological or secular history where something the Bible claimed was proven false! JUST ONE!

  115. Wrong Again
    “What is “pathetic” is that you apparently are unaware that the Torah is part of the Bible, being either the Pentateuch or the entire Old Testament itself.” WRONG! The Torah is INCLUDED in the Bible, but the Torah itself is a wholly separate book. The Jews do not adhere to “The Bible”, accepting the Torah alone as God’s word.

    1. I see, another excuse for you to vent your repressed anger and hatred at me. Again, another example of what Bibliolatry does to a person.

      You have not made any meaningful distinction in your transparent attempt to one-up me.

      Perhaps you should tell the reader above whom I was addressing, who had believed that in discussing “the Bible” I was not ignoring the Torah, when in fact, as you say here, “the Torah is INCLUDED in the Bible.” You have proved my point, although in your vitriol you are clearly attempting otherwise.

      Why are you so angry and hostile? Does a book really need your defense to the point where you must become violent against another human being?

      [b]This is precisely the point of my post – the Bible makes people behave badly. Every defender of the Bible here has pretty much proved that point, in fact.[/b]

      From this thread, one could conclude that Bible-thumpers are very nasty cultists who will viciously attack anyone who dares to question their cult.

  116. Typical Wimpy Intellectual Wannabe Arguments
    What’s wrong, Mommy and Daddy send you to Catholic school and the nun’s treat you bad so you wanna get back at the big, bad bible?

    It’s easy for the psuedo-intellectuals like you to want to rebel and take your jabs at the modern day Judeo-Christian religions. They are toothless and defenseless. The believers have been so brow-beaten for so long that they have come to believe that their role in this world is to be a punching bag for people like you as you attack their belief systems.

    What I do find amazing is that in all the bible bashers, I see very, very few that are eager to attack Muslims and the Koran. This is a religion and a people that have made it very clear that they will not tolerate criticism. In your own points you say that Christianity killed 250MM but Islam has killed 270MM…so that gives them a close second? If that’s the actually body count, they have actually won the gold medal. But let’s move past that and get on with bashing the easier religion to criticize.

    Unfortnately I guess tackling Islam and the Koran is a bit too dangerous for tough guys like you. So go keep tearing down and trying to bully a religion that won’t stand up for itself. Keep kicking on grandma because of your personal issues while the thugs down the street are making it very clear they want to own you and your neighborhood.

    Maybe someday you will get your wish and it will be gone. Sure hope you like what fills the void.

    1. Here we go again. I’m sorry , but no amount of insults is going to make me accept your cultic worldview! 🙁

      But thanks again for yet another example of how Bibliolatry makes people antisocial, hateful and nasty.

      Another validation for tossing the Bible in the trash.

      Also, you obviously have not even looked around this website much before you decided that you know all about me enough to write an endless spew of insults.

      If you had bothered to look around before ranting irrationally and erroneously, you would have seen that I criticize Islam and the Koran quite sharply ([url]http://www.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-8327295676949120%3Amhpw8h-4urf&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=islam&sa=Search&siteurl=freethoughtnation.com%2F[/url]) – and that the behavior of Bible-defenders is little different than that of the commenters in my Islam-criticizing posts. Both groups respond in an irrational, violent, kneejerk manner devoid of honesty that attempts to smear, libel, bully and terrorize nonbelievers into submission.

      You say that the Judeo-Christian cultus has “lost its teeth” – so I assume that it had teeth previously, in fact these teeth were apparently as sharp as those of Islam, according to your implications here. In other words, the Judeo-Christian cultus was at one point very dangerous and frightening, confirming precisely why someone like me would criticize it.

      Moreover, as a scholar of pre-Christian religion and mythology, including the long period of goddess worship, I am not prone to accepting the injustice caused by the transition from the goddess cultus to the god cultus, as especially highlighted in the bloody, misogynistic history of the Judeo-Christian religion. In this regard, the Abrahamic faiths have been one long period of sexist theology and misogyny.

      I will never allow bullying, insults and threats make me forget what the Abrahamic religions truly signify, which was the creation of a male-dominant cult that has wreaked tremendous havoc and atrocity across the world.

      I find the defense of such a cult purely reprehensible.

  117. Acharya –
    Perhaps you can could quote your sources for the name calling and ridicule you represent in your numbers and opinions. If you take the time to read Proverbs 31 in the Bible you will see women held in the highest regard. And in a time when women WERE held in low esteem and were not even spoken to by men in public, Jesus conversed with the woman by the well, demonstrating His respect for her in spite of the customs of the time. It is wildly prejudiced intolerant and unfounded statements like yours that lead to many problems. Quote one instance in the New Testament of the Bible where ANY violence is advocated. Jesus is the basis for Christianity. He was tough on hypocrites but never promoted violence. Wars are started by men, many in the name of religion, but none that are based in anything read in the Bible but rather from the misguided hearts of people who misrepresent and misinterpret the Bible. There are however, OTHER religions which demand either a conversion of infidels, or their murder. How do you react to documented religious instructions like those?

  118. Think, dont Believe

    [i]”Jonathan Swift is reputed to have observed, .. ‘You cannot reason a person out of a position they did not reason themselves into in the first place.’ [/i]

    Isnt that the truth about believers.

    He goes on:

    [i]So, if science is taught as just a collection of (assumed-to-be) facts, it is nothing but dogma. Dogma stoutly resists subsequent displacement by reason.”
    “It seems that anything people have learned prior to puberty takes on the status of an immutable truth (this is something well understood by parents, governments, and religions). Rational explanations of why some previous belief might be incompatible with the behavior of nature, and a careful explanation of the actual behavior of nature, are of little avail.”[/i]

  119. pure stupidity
    Atheists are truly the stupidest people on the internet. Just try to disprove one thing in the Bible.

    1. Back at ya John
      please provide proof of one thing in the bible?

      and I mean proof….not just the bible says so

  120. I’ve been thinking about this too and reached the same conclusion. It is much deeper than the author has gone. Though I don’t know much about other religions , I know Christianity is a hoax.

    Christianity was cobbled together by the Roman Empeoror Constantine to reinvigorate the empire by eliminating the thousands of religions that had sprung up questioning the creed that Rome was the end all and be all of the world, justified in exploiting everyone else, and forcing them into one catholic (universal) religion.

    The bible is a collection of “the best” religious writings in 325 AD. All the other religious writings were destroyed in a “book burning” to prevent people from returning to or practicing their previous religions.

  121. The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world.” (The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920)

  122. Haw about the most sacred book Talmud ful of hatred and instruction about killing goim,hm?!

  123. Tally H. Eddings, II

    Bible?
    As for me and my house, we will follow the Lord. There IS a “Heaven” and there IS a “HELL”. GOD said “I AM”. The fool in his heart says there is no God. I have a “personal relationship” with God through the Spirit of Jesus Christ who is “IN” me (Col. 1:27) so I KNOW my Heavenly Father and HE knows me. If anyone aks God to reveal Himself to them, HE WILL. “Ye have not because ye ask not; or ye ask amiss”. Phil. 4: 6,7 gives me His Peace. I have ETERNAL LIFE in Christ Jesus. The “unbeliever” has eternal life, too, but Eternity for the unbeliever will be in a Burning Lake of Fire.

    Besides, life on earth is merely “existing” until one has Christ in him, for Jesus is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. I have lived both ways and I am happiest since I have been Baptised in the Holy Spirit of God. I PRAISE YOUR HOLY NAME, FATHER, and I THANK YOU.

  124. Go to Google and type in..

    Vedic Vatica

    Afterall, Vatican IS a Sanskrit word.

    Three thousand years before the birth of Jesus, Krishna’a birth was an almost exact replica.

    Who’d a thunk it?

  125. If you only knew
    Long before this article was written, there was a war on the church and this article clearly shows the attitude of someone that doesnt seem to be aware of its contents. But in throwing out the contents did the author of this article actually read the bible or is he taking out certain parts to strengthen his warped point of view.
    I agree we live in a free country and I have to allow the right of someone to have an opinion.
    However:
    Most war in this world over the last generation at least are the works of satanists who not only profit from the demise of others but also make strides towards the ultimate goal of killing off most of the population. So easily we blame God, the whole time satan deceives us and even has people come to his aid blaming God for his crimes. If he did not have puppets like this author there would be no deception. If you only opened your eyes you would see the signs of satan all around you and they have been there for generations. The satanic hand signs of all world leaders, the false flag operations, and the DEATH! Not caused by God but caused by arrogant, greedy people that have their own agenda.
    If your dumb enough to believe there are weapons of mass destruction, your dumb enough to throw out the bible because of the opinion of one small minded person, who probably is part of the war on the church.
    🙁

  126. TO MAN
    For God so loved the World, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 I pray for those who read this and take heed…… God is Love…Peace be with you… Every Knee shall bow to the LORD JESUS, and EVERY tounge will confess to GOD. AMEN … READ GOD’s WORD, THE BIBLE…. PULL it FROM YOUR TRASH, IT WILL SAVE YOUR VERY SOUL….. REMEMBER IT is YOUR Choice… YES and YOU WILL be HEld Accountable for all YOU DO Or Don’t DO …….May GOD BLESS YOU in the DAys to come. AMEN…

    1. Thanks for that Blatant Discrimination against atheists, jwb – just 2 down from J 3:16 we get:

      John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

      1 John 4:2-3 Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God.

      2 John 7: “For many deceivers have gone out into the world, men who will not acknowledge the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh…”

      Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no god.’ they are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none that does good.

      http://www.religioustolerance.org/intol_bibl3.htm

      The bible and other religious holy books are nothing more than blatant discrimination and hatred against others who don’t look the same, believe the same or just see no reason for believing at all. These religious holy books hold humanity back from its full potential.

    2. That’s some strange love
      You mean the same story that had a man marry a woman knowing she was pregnant with someone else’s baby, and then had that son killed? That doesn’t sound very peaceful. Sitting back and letting someone else get your wife pregnant is also a very strange version of love.
      What about the rapes, ordering fathers to kill their children, treating women like slaves? Here we go with more cherry picking. Here’s a little exercise for you. Get a new Bible and highlighter. Go through the book highlighting all instances of violence, both physically and mentally that Christianity supports in the Bible and see what’s left. It won’t be much. And who’s accountable for that and for still supporting it today?

  127. Bible not at fault
    i’m trying to figure how you can blame something you don’t and won’t understand on your own ..you don’t simply understand the Bible by reading it … What? ..that’s what i said …the understanding comes from the Holy Spirit ..no man teaches 1 John 2:27..this is a time of great deception ..a falling away from the truth ..this has all been predicted to happen from the very words you call trash ..millions and millions of people are about to die from a plan ..an agenda from evil men that don’t follow the Bible ..war ..famine..all this is brought on by greed and what you call trash warns against the love of money

  128. Bible body count
    For those questioning the Bible body count, it’s impossible to say for sure, but plenty. How many did God drown in the flood or burn to death in Sodom and Gomorrah? How many first-born Egyptians did he kill? There’s just no way to count them all but it would be a bunch if the stories were true.

    But according to the Bible, it tells exactly how many were killed by God. Here’s a list of those available

    a rough total of 2,270,971 (not including, at least in some cases, women and children).

    Lot’s wife for looking back 1
    Er who was “wicked in the sight of the Lord” 1
    Onan for spilling his seed 1
    Pharaoh and 600 chariot captains (plus his entire army) 601+
    For dancing naked around Aaron’s golden calf 3000
    Aaron’s sons for offering strange fire before the Lord 2
    A blasphemer 1
    A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath 1
    Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families) 12+
    Burned to death for offering incense 250
    For complaining 14,700
    For “committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab” 24,000
    Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive) 90,000+
    God tells Joshua to stoned to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing. 5+
    God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone). 12,000
    Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees 5
    God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites 10,000
    Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king’s belly 1
    God delivered Moabites 10,000
    God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other. 120,000
    The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson 30
    The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson 1000
    Samson’s God-assisted act of terrorism 3000
    “The Lord smote Benjamin” 25,100
    More Benjamites 25,000
    For looking into the ark of the Lord 50,070
    God delivered Philistines 20
    Samuel (at God’s command) hacks Agag to death 1
    “The Lord smote Nabal.” 1
    Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 1
    David and Bathsheba’s baby boy 1
    Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord 7
    From plague as punishment for David’s census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children) 70,000+
    A prophet for believing another prophet’s lie 1
    God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites’ hands 100,000
    God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers 27,000
    God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet 1
    Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god. 1
    Burned to death by God 102
    God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha’s bald head 42
    Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah 1
    Jezebel 1
    God sent lions to kill “some” foreigners 3+
    Sleeping Assyrian soldiers 185,000
    Saul 1
    God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah 500,000
    Jeroboam 1
    “The Lord smote the Ethiopians.” 1,000,000
    God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out 1
    Ezekiel’s wife 1
    Ananias and Sapphira 2
    Herod 1

  129. wrong
    👿 Excuse me….Stalin was a Jew.

    1. Actually, Stalin was raised a Christian ([url]http://www.examiner.com/x-17009-Freethought-Examiner~y2009m9d17-Is-atheism-the-answer-Part-3[/url]), Russian Orthodox, and his father was supposedly a priest. In fact, there’s a good case to be made that Stalin’s anti-religious behavior was a reaction to the abuses he endured at the hands of Christianity.

  130. Acharya,

    “Seek and you shall find. Knock and the door will opened up to you.” I amazes me how narrow or carnal minded the human species is. Humans are made up of both flesh and Spirit. It’s our “Spirit” or soul that separates us from the other species. Do you think a dog is aware of where he is or the danger he is in when sitting a top a rocket? That awareness or consciousness is the image God created, not flesh. It’s not about religion or even the physical words in the Bible. It’s what the Bible says to your “Spirit” that is important. Each of us get a different message from it based on where we are in our spiritual journey. I spent a better part of my life seeking happiness through the trappings of our physical world. It led me nowhere but to destruction. When I realized I was “seeking” answers to happiness through the wrong means, I turned to God. God showed me that the path to true happiness is learning to Love. God and love are one in the same. I have read your writings for several years now and to be honest, I don’t agree with anything you say. That said, I am not here to pass judgement on you as once I do that, I open myself up to be judged. You have every right to believe what you do based on God’s decision to give us free will. Free will was given in order to help us learn and to find our soul. Without free will, we would indeed be mindless creatures. Like the Pharisee’s of Jesus time, you seek “proof” or validity to the written Word. I say that it’s by design that little physical proof is offered. That way, we can use our free will or “faith” to find what our soul truly desires and lacks. I would like to issue a challenge to you. I can only assume there is someone in your life that you truly love. Someone that you would sacrifice all your worldly possessions to save. Someone you would lay down your life for. So with that, PROVE to me that love. Prove to me you love that person. My guess is there is nothing physical or of substance you can provide that can offer me proof of that love. That is where our faith comes in. Faith by definition is a belief in things we hope for and knowing something is real even though it is not seen. If you tell me you truly do have someone in your life you love, I would believe you based on that. The real deceit here is relying solely on what our physical eyes see and our physical ears hear as the basis for our existence.

    I pray that you find what it is you are seeking. God Bless you.

    1. Thank you. I have already found what I am seeking.

      The words “carnal mind” are a derogation designed to set the person who is speaking in a position of superiority. You are simply uncritically and uncreatively repeating a mentality, attitude and prejudice based on the Bible.

      Goddess bless you.

      1. I am glad you have found what you are seeking as you do seem to be at peace. I am afraid you are wrong on your comments to me. You use my “Carnal mind” comment here to confuse. Websters defines it: “Carnal–pertaining to or characterized by the flesh or the body, its passions and appetites; sensual: carnal pleasures.
        2.not spiritual; merely human; temporal; worldly: a man of secular, rather carnal, leanings. fraid you are wrong.

        What I am repeating is neither prejudice or uncreativity based on the Bible. I am merely stating our being is made up both of flesh (carnal) and spirit (god). The Bible helps open our spirit to seek communion with our Creator. Thinking carnally and taking every word and every story literally blocks our ability to “see and hear” what the text is saying to our spirit. BTW–You never commented on whether you can prove love-:-) God or Godess do be blessed.

      2. blind obedience is greatly disturbing
        😮 I have a sincere question for you great mind (I’m being very sincere) When any fundamentalist regardless of religious affilation starts spewing out their ignorance,fear, and righteous rage..maybe you can ask them..why if their god gave them all free will and unconditional love..on all (his) creations…why would there be any reason to have a hell..burning..torment…foreva and eva?..and why would this creator need a child to be sacrificed..and then turned into a messianic example…of love forgiveness…titleship..and hell again for those whom he deeply loves..yet is ready to punish you for excercising true free will??? And why does their god need money? need worship..need anything if its already perfect? Does perfection not require anything in order to sustain its-self?? Besides this patriarchal horsh*t is getting..old..plz remind them that god-satan-savior-and even nuetered angels are always male!!!..Thank you for your website..I’ve turned many on to it..and lol Im in Georgia..the arpit of the biblebelt south…Keep up the awesome work sister

        1. Thank you for your kind regards. These are all good, rhetorical questions. Although many religious ideas derive from logical conclusions, frequently revolving around the natural world, religious fanaticism based is not logical, rational or sane. Religious fanaticism is in itself a mental illness.

  131. to you God haters
    first of all the millions upon millions of people killed as you all state was done by evil men and their religious beliefs not done because of the Bible.. as a matter of fact the Bible has nothing to do with organized religion! you can believe whatever makes you feel good… but nothing will change the fact that the Bible is the Word of God and is saving people’s souls and changing peoples lifes… this is because it shows mankind the Way Truth and Life Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour-Mankinds only Hope!!
    It is a fact that most don’t have a clue of History especially Old Testament times if you knew there were giants in those days due to the rebellion of the Lucifer & fallen angels you might understand why some things happened the way they did read Genesis 6
    1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

    2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

    [b]4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown[/b]

    if you want to believe your a damn monkey go on ahead and put your trust in yourself or into your fellow man and earn your just reward that is coming certain death! The New World Order is coming for you!… I mean seriously you God hating fools are pathetic! 😉

    1. God-Hating Fools
      It is not God that is hated, but delusion.

  132. re: Atheist
    [quote name=”mon”]Did theist approved of the killings of hundreds of millions of people by stalin, mao, polpot and others like them? did you noticed that they are all atheist?[/quote]

    So what if they were Atheists, that just means they have only one excuse…Insanity. So what are the excuses of the Christian, and Islam murderers?
    Oh yeah…Religion. So that brings us back to…..Religion has no place in the functioning of society. I mean yes some can use it to teach morales, and values, but like Santa…somethings gotta give. Personally the morals and values of today require the family, friends and peers of the individual, not a book of biased fairy tales.

  133. Shall we burn all the books now.
    Where did you come up with your numbers? You must have gathered your data from those who estimated the numbers of dead during WW2. Even if you believe the Bible to be a myth. It is the myth that taught Northern Europe how to read and write. Christianity is the only religion that encouraged EVERyONE to read!!! But Christianity is the religion of the Blue Eye white man. Everybody knows that it is ok to talk sh*t about us mean ole white guys. I am sure your next article will be about how the Blue eye’d Devil is the woes of the whole planet.
    Get a life, I know plenty of people who do not believe in GOD. They still embrace their heritage by celebrating Christmas, Easter, Good Friday.
    They and I know that by throwing away or burning books just leads to ignorance. And yes the fellow who commented on Russia was correct, the atheist killed more people in the last century then the Christians did.

  134. occultic 20th century death machine
    “Modern society is far ahead of the Stone Age technology and mentality found in the Bible”

    I don’t agree with that above statement at all in regards to 20th century wars. 🙂

    All those 20th century wars and deaths were caused by the Talmudic/freemasonic/occultic/luciferian elite’s government influence and funny money. I dont recall WW1 and WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq etc. being overtly about exoteric ‘monotheistic’ religions.

    How do you explain the the technology to move the stones of the pyramids? Modern technology cannot explain, nor do it. Actually the pyramids probably pre-date the time of the writings of the bible by ten thousand years according to some archeologists.

    If you have the chance, please read the book series:

    Anastasia; the Ringing Cedars of Russia. These 9 books explain alot!!!!

    http://www.ringingcedars.com/

  135. Man doesnt need the Bible or Koran to justify killing his brother. Any little excuse will do.

  136. Then throw the other books away
    If we toss out the Bible, then throw out the Quran and all the other “scriptures” with it that cause bloodshed. History has shown that religion has served as a convenient excuse for bloodshed all over the globe.

    But the [i]most [/i] blood has been shed in the mid-east area. Why? Although having a far less dense population than India or China, the [u]mid-east seems to have the most religious fanatics with the least tolerance for other faiths[/u]. The founder of Islam was no better than anyone else. Mohammed and his armies killed large numbers of people in 66 cities that didn’t want to submit and convert. Forced religion clearly shows he was just a cultist. Just like Jim Jones of Guyana but on a much bigger genocidal scale.

    Yet the Bible is so awful it needs to be thrown out?
    At what point does society realize that without values and morals, we are no better than primate