Prehistoric discovery disproves Bible

ramat aviv artifacts stone

Yoav Arbel (Ariel Schalit/AP Photo)

Every so often, Israeli archaeologists make an announcement that others run with in attempts to prove the Bible a history book. Few serious scientists and non-believing scholars today view the Bible as an infallible history textbook, but that fact will not stop the faithful from trying to fit each piece of pottery, every building block found in Israel, into the biblical picture.

In this way, we have been subjected to a raucous parade of “artifacts” in recent years, such as the so-called James Ossuary with a forged inscription; the “Jesus Family Tomb,” which was useless for biblical purposes; the fake ivory pomegranate supposedly from Solomon’s temple, and the bogus “Yoash/ Jehoash inscription,” which purportedly proved the temple’s existence once and for all. Even more recently, a scrap of what is claimed to be the oldest Hebrew writing was used to “prove” the Bible correct, even though it does nothing of the sort. This sort of holy forgery and propaganda mill has been in existence almost since the beginning, with a long list of bogus relics and misinterpreted finds.

Another genuine find demonstrating early human occupation in Israel in reality disproves the Bible, at least in its interpreted timeline of depicting the world as having been created in 4004 BCE, per Bishop Ussher’s calculations:

Two weeks ago, Israeli archaeologists uncovered the 8,000-year-old remains of a prehistoric structure nestled away in the upscale neighborhood of Ramat Aviv. The cornerstone of the ancient building, which lies on a construction site for exclusive apartments, long precedes the time of Abraham and the rest of the Bible’s figures.

This 8,000-year-old discovery shows that there were humans in Israel two thousand years before the world was created, according to many Bible literalists! And this find is not alone in its antiquity: The city of Jericho’s foundation is millennia older, and very ancient remains of human culture dating tens of thousands of years ago have also been found in Israel. By comparison, the Bible and its portrayals constitute much later human artifacts and innovations.

Sources & Further Reading

Prehistoric Building Found in Modern Israeli City
Biblical Artifacts Declared Fakes: Arrests in Israel for Forgery
Oldest Hebrew writing proves Bible?
Oldest piece of Bible ever found?

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  1. The earliest sites outside of Africa with early modern humans are at Skhul and Qafzeh caves in what is now Israel about 100,000 years ago. These are anatomically modern humans a bit more robust than us but modern nevertheless. Before them Neanderthals occupied Israel for several hundred thousand years. I don’t think these people were reading or writing the Bible. LOL

  2. Arrogance
    How does man, in his arrogance confidently say that an object is 6,000 years old or 20,000 years old when he does not have a proven tool to work this calculation with. Carbon 14? If the conditions were right and objects lost electrons as they do in a lab environment, otherwise where is the yardstick that someone can point at and say this object is 1,479,382.75 years old? There is NO valid way to make this determination and the nay sayers can scoff at people of belief as much as they care to but for me and mine, we will dwell in the house of the Lord!

    1. Arrogance?
      Timothy,
      Better stop watching TV, flying in planes, going to the doctor or driving a car, too. All of these concepts are based on scientific principles that were first tested in labs. Why don’t you just be honest, it’s not proof you’re after. You choose to believe without proof. Can’t have it both ways, boy, you will have to reconcile your scriptural faith with science.

      1. you will have to reconcile your scriptural faith
        And just maybe you can have it both ways. Is science your religion? Are the labs of this present day and age your church? When there is no solid and distinct linkage from man to ape, any genuine archeological atheist would find more faith, with more tangible evidence, when comparing apes to hominds. God makes it perfectly clear, you need FAITH in Him, even if you can or cannot physically unearth all historical artifacts that lead to either point of view.

        Case and point. Through the “religion” of science, (lol) scientists will admit of electrons and protons and their ability to be unseen. But through FAITH and testings we have built an appreciation of revealing how truthful these theories exist in congruent harmony, i.e., the production of Solar Panels. Who has laid eyes on the interactions of Borons, Protons, and electrons to convert A/C currents into D/C? You and I exercise FAITH without even noticing it moment to moment. No?

        1. burden of proof
          The burden of proof is the real matter here. Christians have zero proof of their miracles and supernatural tales. That puts it all to bed. Let us be glad that no more than the hundreds of millions of people killed in christ’s name have further fallen victim… let us hope religion soon fades away, as science disproves ALL its claims in the future. It shall happen. It is merely a waiting game.

    2. How man, confidently, says an object is 6,000 or 20,000 yrs old;

      1) Carbon has two stable, nonradioactive isotopes: carbon-12 (12C), and carbon-13 (13C). In addition, there are trace amounts of the unstable isotope carbon-14 (14C) on Earth. Carbon-14 has a half-life of 5730 years, meaning that the amount of carbon-14 in a sample is halved over the course of 5730 years due to radioactive decay.

      2) All living thing absorb and exchange carbon-14 during their life.

      3) Once a living thing dies the carbon-14 begins to decay at a fixed calculable rate.

      4) Calibrating* (this step is why the first attempts at c14 dating were wrong** because this step wasn’t taken into account**) The amount of c14 in the atmosphere has not been constant, climate changes, and the industrial revolution are two factors of note. This change of c14 in Earth’s atmosphere of the past must be accounted for in order to produce an accurate date. The 2004 version of the calibration curve extends back quite accurately to 26,000 years BP. Any errors in the calibration curve do not contribute more than ±16 years to the measurement error during the historic and late prehistoric periods and no more than ±163 years over the entire 26,000 years of the curve.
      *side note* because the amount of c14 is different in the ocean, calibration is different for aquatic creatures like shellfish, so don’t give me the 1 million year old sea snail argument.

      6) checking our results* one method of c14 verification is called dendrochronology. Dendrochronology or tree-ring dating is the scientific method of dating based on the analysis of patterns of tree-rings. Every year of a tree’s life it produces a new ring, right? Well, some regions actually have tree-ring dating sequences that span more than 10,000 years! These tree-ring dating sequences were used to confirm radio carbon dates taken from the samples themselves!

      And that is how man, in confidence, can say something is 6,000 or 20,000

      1. please know what you are talking about before you post something. dont just cut a paste. please. thank you and God bless.

        1. I believe you missed the point of the post, regardless of the manner in which it was obtained. Typical. Will you be attacking someone’s grammar next?

    3. Carbon 14
      :woohoo:
      Timothy! Where in the article did they say the age was determined using carbon dating? Did you know that there are many ways to determine the age of objects? Carbon dating isn’t even a preferred method. You should read up on radiometric dating and the other more accurate ways of dating material such as this.

      Stop drinking the cool-aid friend, blind faith against scientific evidence is not a virtue, it’s simply arrogance.

    4. Timothy, you will dwell in the house of ignorance, and good riddance, just don’t get in the way of those of us who actually have the intelligence to continue to seek the truth.
      Religion has no place in the quest for enlightenment. Your utterly invalid argument screams of wilful ignorance and denial, as do the hopeless rebuttals of all you creationists.

    5. funny how religion is still a theory and nothing m
      actually we have many ways of dating objects, its called science and its something every god worshipper will put down because its proves the whole belief wrong. the fact that we can date a myrid of objects is indeed a fact. religion is a disease in every aspect of the very word. seek help people, you are in need. no, i dont mean the need of an invisible man.

  3. Science only seems arrogant to those that deny rea
    Knowing how old something is is not a matter of arrogance. It is a matter of science. There are a number of methods which may be used depending upon the type of material. Creationists make many errors in refuting these techniques. Carbon 14 dating is very accurate when used properly on items up to about 60,000 years old. Wikipedia has gotten very good at reporting accurate info in recent years. Here is what Wiki says: When plants fix atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) into organic material during photosynthesis they incorporate a quantity of 14C that approximately matches the level of this isotope in the atmosphere (a small difference occurs because of isotope fractionation, but this is corrected after laboratory analysis). After plants die or they are consumed by other organisms (for example, by humans or other animals) the 14C fraction of this organic material declines at a fixed exponential rate due to the radioactive decay of 14C. Comparing the remaining 14C fraction of a sample to that expected from atmospheric 14C allows the age of the sample to be estimated.
    For things that are older or not made of carbon there are other equally useful yardsticks that may be used. Others are Ar-Ar, I-Xe, La-Ba, Pb-Pb, U-Pb-He. Make no mistake, these yardsticks are quite accurate. Science does not guess nor does it pretend. It knows to within a statistically measurable error, which in this case is rather small.

    Don’t let ignorance of the natural world lead you to incorrect conclusions especially when simple answers are only a Wiki away. There is never a legitimate reason to invoke an argument from personal incredulity.

  4. Why would it disprove the bible??
    Where in the bible does it say that the world was created 6,000 years ago? Have you read the Bible? NO where does it say that 6000 years ago GOD created the earth. Please read it before you start saying that this 8000 year old building disproves the Bible. IT was thought that the oldest bible was around 6,000 years old and that all of the generations of CHRIST was 6,000 years, but when Adam and Eve were put here on earth, life already existed. And when GOD brought light back to earth and put knew life here, he told all to REPLENISH the earth. Do we know how many times the earth has been destroyed and recreated?? YOU CAN’t REPLINSH something that was never there before. I believe in SCIENCE. I believe that all knowledge is given to MAN by GOD, period and through our FREE WILL we do either good or BAD with that knowledge. The one thing that people are afraid to do is believe in SOMETHING they can’t see. I would much rather believe that there is an ALL POWERFUL GOD watching over us, loving us and hearing our Prayers, than to be so into myself that I believe that I come from something that crawled out of slime, REALLY!! Yes, bad things happen that is what free will causes for every action there is a reaction and so on. JUST because there are Zelots on both side of the issue doesn’t discount the BIBLE AT ALL. I am a free thinker and think that all should be allowed to do what they want, believe what they want as long as it does not hurt or destroy anyone or anything. Why can’t you think the same way. YOU CALL YOUR SELF SCIENTIST?? YOU do know that one of the leaders in science of the Past, Sir Issac Newton was a deeply religious man and believed completely in the BIBLE.

    1. All ranting aside, I [i]have [/i]read the Bible many times, doing research in it in the original Hebrew and Greek as well. I have also cross-referenced it in the various English versions and the Latin.

      Nowhere do I say that the Bible directly states the world was made in 4004 BCE. The Bible does not state years using our calendrical system but needs to be interpreted based on a known timeline. Indeed, I clearly state that it was Bishop Ussher who determined that figure, based on his reading of the Bible.

      Since the time of Ussher, many millions of born-again, evangelical and fundamentalist Christians have subscribed to this “young earth theory.”

      So popular, in fact, is this movement that it actually has a title, i.e., “Young Earth Creationism.”

      In that regard, this find would disprove this biblical based timeline and the Young Earth Creationist movement.

  5. re: Whatever calculations used to determine the ag
    [quote name="Acharya S"]All ranting aside, I [i]have [/i]read the Bible many times, doing research in it in the original Hebrew and Greek as well. I have also cross-referenced it in the various English versions and the Latin.

    Nowhere do I say that the Bible directly states the world was made in 4004 BCE. The Bible does not state years using our calendrical system but needs to be interpreted based on a known timeline. Indeed, I clearly state that it was Bishop Ussher who determined that figure, based on his reading of the Bible.

    Since the time of Ussher, many millions of born-again, evangelical and fundamentalist Christians have subscribed to this "young earth theory."

    So popular, in fact, is this movement that it actually has a title, i.e., "Young Earth Creationism."

    In that regard, this find would disprove this biblical based timeline and the Young Earth Creationist movement.[/quote]

  6. Do the Math
    Well, the point is, there is STILL no definitive, tangible archeological “proof” that the bible should be taken seriously as literal history. Christians have been digging up the holy land for a hundred and fifty years in search of such proof, to no avail. If the events as described in the bible acutally took place, there would be ABUNDANT archeological evidence to support the claim. Israeli scholars have totally discredited and debunked the Jewish Exodus story as non-historical myth-making. No “Exodus,” no wandering the Sinai, no Ten Commandments. No Ten Commandments, well, you do the math.

    1. seriously
      Well thr point is there is STILL no evidence to disporove the bible.
      There HAS been evidence in the red sea of Chariot wheels and perafanilia found underwater coverd in coral. In the tombs of ancient Pharoshs there lie hierloghlypichs of the plauges happening like famine and boils.
      Well… you do the math. ;-)

  7. Honesty is the key
    All the above posts have some form of validity, but a reader cannot help but detect the bias from the different camps.
    1. Humanists/Atheists
    2. Scientists
    3. Theists/Christians

    I agree with science here that the young earth is un-Biblical and I also feel that it is a bit embarrasing to twist the facts so the Bible fits – There are many cases where acrheology has confirmed the historical events mentioned in the Bible.

    For many years the worlds “top” scientists believed the Bible was historically wrong since they had not discobered any evidence regarding the Hittites, which was mentioned nowhere except the Bible – where they proved wrong ? YES.

    Many scientists believed that the city of Jericho was a myth. A certain archeologist confirmed this after years of excavation. Shortly after a Christian archeologist made the discovery and founf the proof of the walls that fell outwards, just as the Bible stated.

    Science claims that King David is a myth – what about the seals and cycilders that was discovered that specifically mentions the “House of David” as mentioned in the Bible.

    Many scholars that studied the Roman Empire takes for granted the exact data supplied by Luke in his gospel and in Acts – there were many disputes about his terms which were confirmed by later discoveries.

    Another fact that scienctists/humanists/atheists do not consider is the fact the Christianity as defined in the Bible is based on faith and that in the Old Testament that faith was conformed by prophecy. If one looks at the prophecies concerning Egypt, Israel, Petra, Tyre and others, it is 100% confirmed by history and archeology.

    The last point, and I feel this is the most important, is that most Christians today do not have a clear understanding of the corruptions that was deliberately put in the Bibles from centuries ago and that most church organisations are a far cry from the faith based churches that the Apostles set up.

    In conclusion the Christian should not have his/her faith chalenged by science and sciencist should not let their personal bias influence the Biblical record.

    Would an atheist archeologist really be happy to hand over a 100% proof that Jesus exsisted?

    Would an Israeli archeologist really be happy to confirm the Christain Bible teaching – Dont forget there is no such thing as Judeo-Christianity – The “Jews” believe the Talmud is the truth and this book is not the same as the traditional “Moses and the Prophets” if the Hebrews(Not all Jews are Talmudic Jews)

    In conclusion, I think any Bible believing Christian who studies from the uncorrupted King James version Bible, will find that science cannot disprove God and that God reveals Himself to us through all these discoveries – It is a matter of read the Bible as a story book and miss all the scientific blessings and truth or repent, accept Christ and read the Bible through a renewed mind – and be not fooled by traditions of men and flalse religions

    1. Archaeology has uncovered many findings that prove there are historical accuracies in the bible. This does not prove, or disprove the bible as a whole. And surely, the discovery of a few cities does not promote the bible as being a historical reference.

      Also, if we are going to discuss the study of ancient cultures (archaeology) why hasn’t anyone brought up the many parallels between Horus (an Egyptian god) and Jesus.

      Based on some of the above post’s logic; Egypt is heavily mentioned in the bible and archaeology has proven it exists, so that must mean their religion should be taken in a literal sense. Since the Egyptian culture predates the new testament, that means Horus was born from a virgin (before Jesus), he rose from the dead three days after he was sacrificed (before Jesus), and he also conducted many of the same miracles Jesus did, only before Jesus.

      I smell a little religious plagiarism…one cannot simply dismiss these shared traits as merely chance.

      1. Making a List & Checking It Twice?
        Feel free to submit a list of those facts that prove the historical accuracies in the bible. I studied the bible for 55 years; there are no such facts.

  8. Atheist Archeologists
    I’m pretty sure that most atheist archeologists would submit indisputable evidence of the historically accurate record of the bible on a silver plate.

    This would perhaps be followed by a visit to their church and conversion to Christianity.

    Let’s be bloody-well realistic:

    In a perfect world, we would all be agnostics.

    Faith is a horrible thing. It’s the way by which politicians and demagogues take advantage of poor uneducated folk.

    A positive attitude and hope for the future should not be confused with the belief in something which may or may not exist.

    Sadly, we rational minded folk need to find a way to negotiate the mindless masses. My concern is that we’re being outnumbered politically and socially and aren’t speaking up about our own interests.

    I for one have had enough conflict and war at the behest of religious minions.

    I think agnostics and atheists need to unite against this war against reason and rationality. A war against evidence and social progress. I think we should advocate for the future and not the past.

    1. athiests uniting
      I agree with you 100% IF it means we do not degrade people who do believe. People of faith are not the “undereducated”. They chose to believe in a God and that is their perogative as my lack of belief is mine.

      As for the politicians…Belief in God should not be an issue. I don’t care if the politicians believe in pro choice or not. It’s got nothing to do with the economy so take the topic off the political table and anything else religion based. BUT do not take God off the money or out of the schools as the media distracts us with by reporting. I don’t care if there’s a statue of Jesus on the lawn of any building, as it doesn’t threaten my lack of belief.

  9. REPLY ‘Honesty is the key’
    “I think any Bible believing Christian who studies from the uncorrupted King James version Bible, will find that science cannot disprove God and that God reveals Himself to us through all these discoveries” – bob

    - Please find for me evidence of the a world wide flood. It covered the world to the tops of most mountains right? Must be evidence for it.

    - Please find for me evidence of the Tower of Babel. That tower must have been huge to tick off god, it ought to be around somewhere.

    - Please find the evidence that supports a mass exodus of Jewish slaves from Egypt. Jewish slaves who then walked around in the a desert for 40 years because god so mad at them he had them walk in circles. He was so mad he waited until everyone who was around at the time of the ‘incident’ died, but not their children. If you expect me to take this seriously, their ought to be evidence for it. Maybe other desert cultures would have seen them walking and told stories about it?

    - The ‘history’ of the bible is supported by the fact that the bible labeled a few cities and civilizations correctly, because the people from that time had direct interactions from the people of those places. Who cares. Where the bible is NOT supported, by any clear thinking scientist, is in all the miracle claims that defy physics, logic, and morality. You said it, the truth of the new testament is based in old testament prophecy and philosophy. If that is the case, then the old testament has to 100% correct in everything it says for the new testament to be true, and it is not. ALso, as soon as this god directs bears to attack and kill children because the children mocked his prophets bald hea, and his religious beliefs; that insists to me that your god is cruel and certainly doesn’t fight fair. There is no morality in concern of your god. There is god’s way or there is sin, thank you supreme dictator deity. I’m glad I don’t wish to live in such subjugation but I respect your right to believes what you will Bob. Just don’t try to educate my kids with that garbage until they’re old enough to make their own decisions on what is real. Also, where do you think ‘men with traditions’ get their ‘false religions?’ They get them from the same holy books that you believe in, but their interpretation is obviously wrong right? Funny how everyone is wrong but you, and the people who agree with you when it comes to theology.

  10. Not all Christians are literalists
    I would suggest that a minority of Christains are literalists but most do believed the Bible to be a truly inspired work. Archeology has shown areas of omission, Dinosaurs would be one example but it does not say that they did not exist. The 4,000 year old earth is derived by counting the family geneologies and estimated years of life. It is a proven fact that many Hebrew geneologies track significant characters in their recorded line, not each and every person. The Bible was written to help humankind understand God’s care and plan for eternal relationship, not as an archeological manual. (Although many archeologist have used it as an aid to find ancient cities). There are more “Facts” that support acurate historical facts in the Bible as opposed to the odd ones that run opposite some of the stories/parables that were used to explain difficult concepts to non scientific minds. Written over 1,400 years by 40 authors on 3 continents, it has amazing continuity without the benefit of technology!

  11. Uh, the headline is wrong. This find disproves “Bible literalists,” as the text says…not “the Bible,” as the headline says.

  12. Do Some Free Research first
    Before the creationist attack the Science world and the Scientist try to explain what seems a simple thing to the converted, it might be an idea that the Creationist do a little free research and see the overwhelming connections with Religion and what the early Ancients understood (long before the Bible was created by man) and dating back 4300 BC to the early Egyption Star Charts – Astrology, check out Wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology_in_the_Bible

  13. the bible says god created heaven earth six days, that makes no sense so believers say that these are not human days but perhaps creative days or use the rule in scripture where day to god is thousand to man.
    This is mute because bible believers will change meanings, however the chronology of mans history from adam to jesus is recorded and based on the bible man is roughly 6500 years old. well that is simply not true man is much older therefore the accuracy of the bible has to be questioned bye rational people.

  14. I doubt that the famous Bishop Ussher ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ussher[/url]) would agree that I am “using examples from people that have no idea what the Bible really says.”

    [quote]James Ussher (sometimes spelled Usher, 4 January 1581 – 21 March 1656) was Church of Ireland Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland between 1625 and 1656. He was a prolific scholar, who most famously published a chronology that purported to establish the time and date of the creation as the night preceding Sunday, 23 October 4004 BC, according to the proleptic Julian calendar.[/quote]
    Ussher used the Bible itself to establish his timeline of creation around 4004 BCE – and he read the text in its original Hebrew, Greek and other translations such as Jerome’s Vulgate.

    Thus, Ussher assuredly knew the Bible, which is why his analysis has stuck for the past 400 years. So influential was Ussher that his legacy is called the “Ussher Chronology ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology[/url]).”

    [quote]The Ussher chronology is a 17th-century chronology of the history of the world formulated from a literal reading of the Bible by James Ussher, the Archbishop of Armagh (Church of Ireland). [b]The chronology is sometimes associated with young Earth creationism, which holds that the universe was created only a few millennia ago by God as described in the first two chapters of the Biblical book of Genesis.[/b][/quote]
    Note the highlighted part there: It is the Bible itself, according to Young Earth Creationism ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism[/url]), that dictates this chronology. And there are millions of Young Earth Creationists, so perhaps one should go lecture them that they “have no idea what the Bible really says.” I’m sure that they will not agree that the Bible is as flawed as you have made it to be, with incomplete genealogies and so on. In the meantime, for those who do believe Ussher’s chronology, what I’ve stated above remains true.

    Perhaps doing some research on Ussher and his chronology would have been beneficial as well.

    1. Earth?
      Reality is that the Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. If you are in doubt, ask a scientist how they know that.

  15. You’re using examples from people that have no idea what the Bible really says. Not all believers think the world is 4000 years old, the Bible does not support that. Some of us actually do research. The Bible in fact does support the world being as old as science claims. Believers that say otherwise are incorrect by basing their claims on the genealogies listed in the Bible when in fact some generations are left out, incorrect calendars, English translations etc

    1. Neither?
      During the billions of years before the human race walked on this planet, there were no chickens & no eggs. Since chickens are very similar to reptiles, its pretty likely that the chickens evolved from something else into the chickens we actually have today.

  16. Just because he’s famous doesn’t make him accurate. Furthermore using a Catholic Bishop’s findings and saying he represents Christianity’s thoughts on things is crazy. Catholicism is in error. It is an amalgamation on pagan sun worship and true Christianity. in 325 AD Constantine then emperor of Rome was losing the empire so he issued his Edict of Toleration thus adding Paganism to the mix and creating a mess i.e x-mas, easter and a slew of other non-Christian traditions and rituals. So, when you use Bishop Ussher as your example, your argument is weak.

    1. What you fail to comprehend is that it is NOT “my” argument, which I essentially proved. I also was specific in saying that my remarks are addressing the millions of “Young Earth Creationists,” so my argument is very strong. Your rebuttal is weak, frankly, and disingenuous.

      In the meantime, what I have said here stands: For the Young Earth Creationists who believe that the world was created in 4004 BCE, this discovery disproves that belief.

      1. Religion?
        Religion, theism, is dying. Look in any church; the elderly are dying & many young families know better today, then before science explained the things that ancient humans did not understand. If theism doesn’t get us as children; they rarely ever do.

    2. St. Paul
      The Catholic Church was supposedly founded by St. Peter & Jesus (they may never have existed). If you can disprove that, have at it.

  17. Heh heh.
    Arguing with christians is worse than arguing with a drunk. It is futile. Facts are just bumps in the road for them to bypass. Concentrate on looking out for yourself and family. Try to limit the damage to you and yours, that they have caused. Laugh at them. Isnt that what clowns are for. Celebrate that you havent wasted one day a week, and poured ten percent of your earnings into a rat hole with a preacher on top.

    1. Happy Atheist
      I was a Christian for a very long time; if no one have ever talked with me about the possibility that gods do not exist, I wouldn’t be the happy atheist whom I am today.

    2. Reality, Yes Or No?
      There are very few really well educated theists. “The more we learn; the less we know.” That’s somewhat of a misnomer when it comes to science. The more we learn in science the closer we get to answering all the secrets of the universe as they unfold. Since there are ministers, & many other long term theists who become atheists, it’s safe to assume that for some of us, atheism is just another step in the learning process.

  18. Right & Wrong?
    What is considered right & wrong varies from one culture to another. Therefore it’s based on social custom. Prove me wrong.

    1. So if a culture belives that its right to believe in God then it must be right for that culture huh. So then God is real for that culture

  19. First Of All…
    First of all, I’ve studied both the KJV of the bible; they are very similiar; however earlier translations of the bible do not say the same things as the KJVs do. When I study, I really study. I’ve read many translations of the bible, I’ve also read many of the pagan writings that many of the old testament stories came from. You cannot prove anything with the bible, unless you’re seeking to prove that it is not the word of god, or that there are no gods.

    1. Cannot prove anything in the bible, eh? Angsty and in denial much? You and JB seem to have a hard on for knocking on bible believers, and I will agree, many of them dont know what they are talking about. God encourages seeking knowledge, take the Boreans for example. I dont think God is unfair enough to give some people evidence that requires little faith such as Jesus in person working a miracle for them or Moses parting the red sea, and then says ‘ha ha no jesus or prophets around, you gotta believe just because I say and that’s that, too bad so sad. If you are truly seeking and need signs and miracles in order to believe, then he will provide them as he did me. I believe I would have received aids or some other deadly disease, or be dead right now if not for an inexplicable miracle that happened when I needed after a moment of earnest prayer. And just because something is similar doesn’t mean for fact it is an irrefutable carbon copy. If the bible is true and there is a god and devil, then its not a huge stretch to believe the deceiver planned in advance to twist the truth to its own ends and created false religions to confound the wise, such as yourself. Science is ever evolving. Did you know all we had was faith that there were any exosolar planets until the early nineties? Your logic is not undeniable and you sound more than a little petty. Cant let others believe in something without trying to turn what they believe to ash in their mouth? I hope and pray you get to stick around a few more years and keep a watchful eye. If you truly want to know the truth about reality before you die, you wont have to wait much longer, I promise you. Also stop telling others to bring evidence to you, you are the one trying to prove the bible is a sham, so burden of proof falls on you.

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