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  1. True, But lies…
    What you are saying is true to the extent that this happens (i can imagine) but not correct about the islamic faith in a general perspective and must not judge a religion by a group of so-called followers who contradict the very message of islam itself.

    Here’s my rock solid evidence and no other argument is needed. Please read all of it.

    Quran: 24:2-9: The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. (This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime but if married persons commit it, the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allah’s Law).

    The adulterer marries not but an adulteress or a Mushrikah(female polytheist, pagan or idolatress) and the adulteress none marries her except an adulterer or a Muskrik(polytheist, pagan or idolater, etc) [and that means that the man who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan or idolatress) or a prostitute, then surely he is either an adulterer, or a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater, etc.) And the woman who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater) or an adulterer, then she is either a prostitute or a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan, or idolatress, etc.)]. Such a thing is forbidden to the believers (of Islamic Monotheism).

    And those who accuse chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, flog them with eighty stripes, and reject their testimony forever, they indeed are the Fasiqun (liars, rebellious, disobedient to Allah).

    Except those who repent thereafter and do righteous deeds, (for such) verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    And for those who accuse their wives, but have no witnesses except themselves, let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies (i.e. testifies four times) by Allah that he is one of those who speak the truth.

    And the fifth (testimony) (should be) the invoking of the Curse of Allah on him if he be of those who tell a lie (against her).

    [b]But it shall avert the punishment (of stoning to death) from her, if she bears witness four times by Allah, that he (her husband) is telling a lie. [/b]

    [b]And the fifth (testimony) should be that the Wrath of Allah be upon her if he (her husband) speaks the truth. [/b]

    If you want to judge, please do it correctly. Thanks.

    1. Gee, thanks for the drive-by Muslim propaganda.

      From your very first attempt, you epically fail:

      “The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes.”

      Boy, that is just sooooo peaceful and enlightened! People having sex should be beaten 100 times each. Wow. I am so impressed. NOT.

      In the meantime, the only lies I see here are that Islam is not abusive towards women. Here are relevant passages from the Koran:

      “They ask you about menstruation. Say: ‘It is an indisposition. Keep aloof from women during their menstrual periods and do not approach them until they are clean again; when they are clean, have intercourse with them whence God enjoined you….'” Quran 2:222

      “Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please.” Quran 2:223

      “Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.” Quran 4:34

      “A male shall inherit twice as much as a female.” Quran 4:11

      “Call in two male witnesses from among you, but if two men cannot be found, then one man and two women whom you judge fit to act as witnesses…” Quran 2:282

      [b]”[Forbidden to you are] married women, except those whom you own as slaves.”[/b] Quran 4:24

      Source: Quran Quotes ([url]http://truthbeknown.com/islamquotes.htm[/url])

      Let me encapsulate those verses:

      [b]Menstruating women are unclean, and men must stay away from them. Women are men’s “fields,” and men can have sex with them whenever they want. Men are superior to women and have authority over them, while women must obey men or risk being beaten. A woman is worth one-half of a man. Muslim men can own sex slaves.[/b]

      Regardless of whatever apologist pabulum you come up with, the fact will remain that what I have summarized above is how millions of Muslim men have lived for the past 1,400 years.

      Islam is sexist and misogynistic, period. Pointing fingers elsewhere is a very poor tactic.

  2. Women degraded.
    Also, women in western culture degrade themselves with the clothing they wear and the way western culture makes them feel about themselves without make up, model bodies, faces, etc. Also, rape happens here(in america) and justice at times is not served. But that’s not western culture’s fault is it? My point is dont blame the culture, please blame the people involved who don’t do things with a sound heart and mind according to their respective cultures… You make it seem like american culture or any other culture is perfect and islam is the only one flawed in this matter… it happens everywhere. Justice isn’t always served. God is the true justice and his will be served to those you speak of and also those you [i]FORGOT[/i] to mention. thanks again.

    1. Blah, blah, blah. Enough of the Muslim propaganda.

      I was a model, and I enjoyed it for what it was. It was intellectually vapid, but I didn’t not enjoy it because it had to do with me dressing in a certain way. On the contrary.

      This notion that we women “degrade” ourselves with skimpy dress is more misogynistic religious trash being tossed at us. [b]It is MEN who degrade women[/b], not women who degrade themselves, except when they pander to abusive and ungrateful men. But many women worldwide have little choice. Fortunately, I do, so I can speak out.

      [b]In any enlightened world, women could walk down the street stark naked[/b], and not only would there be nothing “degrading” about it, but the men would be intelligent, classy and moral individuals who wouldn’t dare touch the women without the latters’ permission. Only savages can’t control their genitals when around a woman, including when she’s naked.

      The abuse of women and misogyny are very much [b]cultural [/b]problems, including and especially RELIGIOUS brainwashing, and I will continue to point out that fact.

      [b]I have zero interest in your interpretation of God[/b], frankly, if “he” is the typical patriarchal, Abrahamic maniac who is all about retribution and justice.

      No thanks.

      And, no, I don’t make it seem as if American culture is “perfect.” I’m addressing [i]ideologies[/i], and the American [i]ideology[/i], as represented by the U.S. Constitution, is far superior to the intolerant, misogynistic, monotheistic Abrahamic religious ideologies, including and especially Islam.

  3. “In any enlightened world, women could walk down the street stark naked, and not only would there be nothing “degrading” about it, but the men would be intelligent, classy and moral individuals who wouldn’t dare touch the women without the latters’ permission.”

    I quite agree. However . . .

    “Only savages can’t control their genitals when around a woman, including when she’s naked. “

    Assuming the same right is extended to men, what about the natural autonomic response aroused in a normal heterosexual male by an attractive woman? It is not controllable immediately as I’m sure your’re aware. Such a salute would obviously be a complement of sorts, but how moderns would react is another matter. A line has to be drawn, imho, when a man cannot control his desire, beyond which its is (obviously) rape. However, as a survey of the world shows, sexuality remains socially problematical, despite having the means to improve matters; in this regard, I wonder just who the “savages” really are?

  4. Another poison
    I wonder what would you say about another religion, where the young are taught anyone who doesn’t belong to that particular group is as good as livestock, his/her wages may be withheld, he/she may be lied to, in life threatening situations they don’t necessarily have to be rescued etc? Any idea?

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