Pakistani Muslims: ‘Killing an infidel is not a sin’

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“They said killing an infidel is not a sin, instead it’s righteousness in the sight of Allah almighty.”

And now we have it from the horse’s mouth – again. For years, there have raged all over the internet debates about why Islam is not a “peaceful religion” but, rather, a dangerous ideology. One of the main points against Islam has been the contention that infidel-killing is not only a sport but also a requirement for devout Muslims. This contention has been backed up by numerous scriptures, both koranic and hadithic, etc., as well as the endless stream of violence by Muslim fanatics over the centuries, which includes wholesale genocide in many countries invaded by Muslim warriors.

We have heard an abundance of infidel-hating speeches from “radical” (devout) Muslim clerics, imams, mullahs, etc., but we are always told that the average Muslim – apparently completely unaffected by the non-stop hate speech from these religious leaders – is “moderate” and does not hate infidels, as essentially prescribed by the Koran and other Islamic texts.

In this latest story, we have seemingly “average” Pakistani Muslims basically spilling the beans on one of the fundamentals that define Islam: To wit, killing infidels.

In addition to such truthful proclamations, the bloody history of Islam proves it to be a desert warrior cult largely designed to conquer, enslave, pillage, slaughter and usurp non-Muslims. Another main feature, of course, is the oppression, suppression, repression and enslavement of women and all things female.

Pakistani Christian Beaten for Refusing to Convert to Islam

The four older Muslim brothers of a 26-year-old Christian beat him unconscious in Kallur Kot, Pakistan, earlier this month because he refused their enticements to convert to Islam…

“They threatened that it was the breaking point now, and that I must convert right now or face death,” Masih said. “They said killing an infidel is not a sin, instead it’s righteousness in the sight of Allah almighty.”

Masih begged them to give him a few minutes to consider converting and then tried to escape, but they grabbed him and beat him with bamboo clubs, leaving him for dead, he said.

“They vented their fury and left me, thinking that I was dead, but God Almighty resuscitated me to impart His good news of life,” he said….

And here is a video of an infamous British-Pakistani Muslim preacher who is so brazen in his expose of longstanding Koranically sanctioned behavior that some claim he is “controlled opposition.” In any event, he certainly does spell out Islamic fanaticism like it is and has been for many centuries. Keep in mind that when Muslims claim they are against the killing of “innocents,” they often mean only Muslims, usually fanatical or fundamentalist. All other Muslims and all non-Muslims are fair game, no matter the gender, age or state of “innocence.”

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  1. Typical. Apologists for this death cult rarely answer any hard questions directly. What he still had to say in spite of himself was horrible enough. I hope the British people remember the parties & politicians who put them in this spot.

    1. Get real
      It’s ok for England and US to have slaughtered over a million innocent people in Iraq, hundreds of thousands in Afghanistan and only God knows how many in Pakistan. If not, than why are you trying to blame the victims for defending themselves.

      1. No one here to my knowledge is saying anything about it being okay to slaughter millions of people, whether Iraqis, Afghans or otherwise. Thus, you have raised an inaccurate straw man.

        Moreover, none of the individuals in this article or accompanying videos are “defending” themselves against anyone. One is a group of Muslims in Pakistan who almost beat their brother to death because he would not convert to Islam. This incident has nothing to do with anything you have raised.

        The guy in the video is a fanatic who lives off the dole in Great Britain, also not a victim of anything.

        Both are citing long-standing traditions justified by Islamic scripture. None of it has anything to do with defense.

        The point is not about these individuals in any event, as they are but examples. The point is that such people have used their god, holy book and religion to justify murdering others.

        It is no different from what Christianity has done – are you going around raising such issues on sites that are critical of modern Christian aggressions, such as Bush & Cheney in Iraq?

      2. Pakistani’s murderers killed millions in Bangladesh in 1971. The marauding Islamic hordes have killed 100 million since conception. The death cult will get what’s due to it.

        1. Yes, that’s right. See my article about the Muslim massacres in Bangladesh ([url]http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/03/new-wineskins-old-vinegar-mankind.html[/url]).

          We can only hope Islam will get its due justice.

      3. Muslims equal violence
        I get sick of you people who justify Islam’s crazy obsession with killing westerners because (a) we are in Muslims lands, and (b) we kill Muslims. We didn’t start this crap, so get over it and get your head screwed on straight before we have to start another Crusade and kill all of you. Idiots like bin Laden murdered 3000 people on 9/11; what did you expect us to do…sit on our hands and take it? Muslims aren’t victims who are simply murdering innocent people to “defend” themselves. They are crazy, arrogant, brain-washed, feeble-minded people who glorify death, suicide, hate, intolerance, genocide, and the destruction of any person, or culture with a different way of doing things. Muslims are little more than Nazis with the same “master race” mentality. You follow a false prophet who was a mass murdering pedophile and believe the koran is the last and most perfect word of God, but your version of God advocates kill, kill, kill, kill. Our version of God is love and forgiveness. Jesus never killed anybody and never slept with a child. Can you say the same about Mohammed? You people are sick and twisted. If you want death more than we want life, then go kill yourselves – do it now!

      4. All combative killings by the west are always a reflex to the insanity that these apparent beings create!!

    2. I can’t understand why they ignore Sura 2.56 and still claim to be Muslims. Jihad mere;y means ‘struggle’. Why would God reward suicide ?

  2. OMG! Just shocking!
    NOT! I expect nothing less from a desert cult.

  3. I’m sorry that you are offended by my truthful and accurate assessment of the situation, but insulting my person with hateful and denigrating remarks will hardly strengthen your case.

    No one here has ever said that “[i]all [/i]Muslims are this and that,” so you have raised a really vile straw man in order to attack me personally. Nor does anyone here say anything about [i]all [/i]Pakistanis being fundamentalists or thinking like this. I have simply provided some examples in order to demonstrate that this bigoted and genocidal [i]attitude [/i]is present in [i]Islam [/i]- something anyone with eyes should be able to see.

    The refusal to address the problem will only make it worse – especially when those of us who [i]are [/i]addressing it are then personally attacked by others who apparently willfully ignoring it.

    Such personal attacks full of inaccuracies in order to paint the messenger as the devil will only serve to perpetuate the problem, in fact, which lies not with me or anyone else identifying it but with the “holy texts” and the fanatics who follow them.

    Instead of castigating me for commenting on this atrocity, you would do much better to take on these individuals such as in the video for spreading their hatred of infidels.

    And then there would be the matter of all those who have suffered under the imposition of Islam. You have no concern for them, but you are more worried about me exposing this hateful attitude. Which infidel-hating and killing ‘tude, by the way, is in no way confined to the backward regions of Pakistan. It is being spread all over the world, including to England, where the individual in the video lives off the public dole.

    Perhaps you would like to learn more about Islam:

    The Religion of Peace ([url]http://thereligionofpeace.com[/url])
    Islam Watch ([url]http://islam-watch.org[/url])
    Faith Freedom ([url]http://faithfreedom.org[/url])
    The Prophet of Doom ([url]http://theprophetofdoom.net[/url])

    1. Straw Man
      I in no way did I personally attack you, I merely observed the glaring hatred woven into your disingenuous style of writing and called you on it. As you well know. Nice try. Goebbels, were he alive, would be flattered that he has such a good student/tactician as you, right here in the 21st century. Rather than addressing what you see as the problem with some intelligent discourse, you’re adding fuel to the fire of ignorance. Shame on you.

      1. Thank you for providing yet another example of the endless stream of hate speech and personal attacks we can expect from defenders of the religion of peace.

        Once again, you show absolutely no concern for the heinous sentiment contained in this article and feel that merely abusing me will make it all go away.

        Blame the victim has been a good game on this planet, apparently.

        1. I think many Muslims know that the religion is just the veneer of a personal relationship with the Diety, and that Christians are the closest to Muslims in their adherance to Personal Law, and that in fact it is Lawlessness which is the enemy, and those that promote Lawlessness, and depart from moral law and natural affection for their fellow man.

          While their will always be individuals in any religion that begin trying to supplant simple emotional honesty with intellectualized calls to war or bloodshed, it only takes a second of simple introspection for anyone to perceive their inner law which speaks to them of justice and respect for others existence. It is the growing departure from simple good will on the part of many from many different religions that is our Sign that we are entering the Great Tribulation.

          Good luck to all my fellow human beings on this planet.
          We will need it.

  4. Your statements about me and my work are simply false. I am extremely even-handed in criticizing all pathologies wherever I find them. Those who actually know my work know this fact to be true. It is not difficult to prove – there is a search engine on this website that searches all my sites.

    I have spent many years criticizing the pathologies of Christianity and Judaism, so, yes, I [i]will [/i]blame them when they are a problem. In this article, we have a problem: To wit, the declaration of murderous intent upon all non-Muslims purely because of the disbelief.

    Instead of objecting to this blatant hate speech against non-Muslims, other posters have taken the opportunity to pile on and add to the bullying. In essence, bullies being defended by other bullies.

    I have spent [i]years [/i]addressing all aspects of whatever comes into my purview, including delving into reams of literature in a variety of languages dating back to the earliest times in history.

    I address what is bad and raise up what is good for all to see. Suppressing the expression of injustice from someone who has just been subjected to murderous intent is really not a righteous path to be on.

  5. islam equaals evil

  6. Anti-Islamic propaganda
    I am a Christian, but happen to know FOR A FACT that this kind of attitute of zealotry and behavior is confined to more backward regions of Pakistan, amongst those fundamentalists who support the Wahhabi branch of Islam. It is NO WAY indicative of mainstream Islam, especially not Shia Islam, and shame on you for attempting to brand all Muslims as adherents to this line of thought. It is a lie. Stop spreading hatred, it’s a disease – from which you suffer, obviously.

    1. Absolute Cr@p
      No references to any fact as the anti-islam author has presented. Also alot of Wahabi bashing going on in the replies.

      The ignoramous author takes the views of like minded ignoramouses and brands this lie on over 1 billion people. Why has this Talmudic view been ascribed to Muslims when it is clearly depicted in Jewish literature as fact – Jews can kill Goyims without suffering any consequences – the scriptures from which the Christians originated….

      1. I’m sorry, but the typical tactics of whitewashing Muslim history won’t work here. Insulting my person will not make these uncomfortable facts go away. And, yes, Wahhabism needs to be criticized severely, as it is a horrendous form of oppression. Anyone who would defend it has no credibility, in my opinion. Hence, the rest of your rant is likewise dismissible, such as this entirely false comment:

        “..brands this lie on over 1 billion people”

        Nowhere in all my writings have I ever done such a thing, but this false and libelous tactic is used to raise a straw man in order to dismiss the entire bloody history of Islam.

        Until Muslims start studying the history of the cultus in which they have been conditioned and start becoming honesty about this history, non-Muslims will not respect their opinions on the subject. And we will certainly not be bullied into accepting this bloody history by any kind of name-calling, insults, lies or threats.

        I notice you have no concern whatsoever for the anti-infidel remarks by these devout Muslims – you are only interesting in libeling “the author.”

        Others may find the following essay useful, as it shows how what is being said here by defenders is pretty typical boilerplate stuff.

        How to Debate a Muslim ([url]http://sheikyermami.com/2009/06/16/how-to-debate-a-muslim/[/url])

  7. bigotry and hate–be it religious or non, is equal
    You know, I find this Islamic hate fest going on in the west and Europe to be quite desparing. Granted, there are many nut jobs–like this Imam–who do nothing but carry water to this misinformed bigots, however I believe that the “I HATE THOSE MOOZLIM SCUM” is, quite frankly, very unconstructive and divisive to the extreme. What do you hope to gain by hating muslims? do you think oneday muslims are just going to go away? that Islam is just going to rid itself of all its bat sh*t crazy nut jobs? that is about as doubtful as wishing the same about every other religion out there.

    You got hindu extremists raping and murdering christians in India, islamic extremists in pakistan and elsewhere, you got crazy christian groups such as the westboro baptist church in the US calling on the death of homosexuals etc etc ad nauseum. What to do? I suppose venting infantile emotions on a website is considered “constructive” to some, however I disagree.

    1. See my response above. And be sure to see this website:

      The Religion of Peace ([url]http://thereligionofpeace.com[/url])

      You may be able to sit back and say nothing after reading about such atrocities – and that’s just the tip of the iceberg – but I’m not.

      On the contrary, I am alarmed by what is clearly a trend toward appeasing Islamists, no matter what they do.

      Like the person above, you seem to have no concern about the fact that institutionalized Islam is teaching people it’s okay to kill non-Muslims. Instead, you are worried about me discussing it openly.

      The “hate fest” in Europe has come from not just a few Muslim nutters but entire neighborhoods causing a huge amount of trouble, including committing numerous crimes and creating great civil unrest.

      Europe has been VERY tolerant in reality, and to derogate their concerns about losing their culture and watching anarchy – or worse – ensue is very egregious.

      “I HATE THOSE MOOZLIM SCUM” – Now [i]THAT’S[/i] infantile, especially when not a single person here has ever said such a despicable thing.

      [quote]You got hindu extremists raping and murdering christians in India, islamic extremists in pakistan and elsewhere, you got crazy christian groups such as the westboro baptist church in the US calling on the death of homosexuals etc etc ad nauseum. What to do?[/quote]
      [b]TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES IN HONESTY.[/b]

      One must wonder if spewing infantile emotions on websites is not your cup of tea why you chose to cathart yourself on my website?

  8. Typical. You don’t speak up to condemn this murderous filth. Instead, you throw a tantrum when others bring attention to it. You seem to have more of a problem with people criticizing Islamic violence than you do with Islamic violence. Very revealing.

    “I am a Christian, but happen to know FOR A FACT that this kind of attitute of zealotry and behavior is confined to more backward regions of Pakistan, amongst those fundamentalists who support the Wahhabi branch of Islam”

    Have you noticed that their homicidal, oppressive, disgusting behavior isn’t exactly confined to the backward regions of Pakistan?

    You hear this sort of religious vomit everywhere Islam is well-established. You have religious-based oppression & murder everywhere Islam is well-established. Guess you missed that. Stop DEFENDING hatred by trying to minimise it & condeming it’s critics.

    1. Censorship
      As I suspected you didn’t have the cajones to publish my last two comments, Straw Man. Disappointing, as you portray yourself as an arbiter of free thought. Interesting nom de plume also, Jeff Hansen…. LMAO! You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you don’t fool me Mister Fascist. Not for a nano second.

  9. A voice of reason in the wilderness….

  10. She’s not being even handed though. That’s the main criticism I have against her. In the US, the government can take nude pictures of detainees and even torture them to the point of murder and sometimes call it a “suicide” officially.
    Would you blame christianity for the acts of a few nutjobs in power that commit atrocities? Would you blame it on zionists or rich people?
    would you stereotype black people because of personal experiences with them on the street?
    Islam does not have a monopoly on abuse. Yes, there are lot of abuses in the islamic world – some of which may stem from the social structure that is built and justified by islam. But that is oversimplifying it. In short, if you want an objective debate, you have to address all points and point of views and variables to the point of exhaustion to eliminate them as a possible cause before just pointing a finger at something based on some observations.
    And yes, maybe I’ll be called an Islamic apologist or whatever. That will just reinforce what I expect from someone that has an agenda.

    1. anti – Islam doesnt mean anti – Muslims
      You cannot compare religious bigotry of Muslims with anything else on the planet. The so called peaceful majority of muslims may detest the violence and hatred, but in name of religion, they never protest it. They will tacitly approve terror attacks, jiziya tax against infidels in Muslim land, and of course the retarded Sharia law statutes.

      The 3-4 most educated Mulsim countries – Turkey, Uzbekistan, Malaysia and Indonesia need to detach the religious zealotry embedded in the Muslim psyche from rest of the Muslim world. No one is against the Muslim people. Acharya is correct to show the point that “peaceful majority” [b]do not[/b] criticize such inane fatwas and interpretations of the holy rag.

      Every time Muslims are caught in criminal acts, they start shouting racism, islamophobia etc They take to streets against cartoons of prophet, but they wont attend a peace march for victims of a suicide attack or bombing or any religious fatwa

      Civil society cannot co-exist with a militarily defined religious cult of Islam. I can bet the entire planet that even if Muslims would take over the world, they would end up fighting as to who among is a better Muslim to infinity like the No True Scotsman logic.

      and please stop painting Acharya as hate mongerer. When Muslims were left alone (in heydays of colonialism), they waged wars, when they were given independence they started even more wars (Palestine). When they were not able to compete in conventional wars they start covert wars (Kashmir, Darfur, Nigeria, Philippines, Bosina, Chechnya, Thailand) Its as if saying they are evil because we are preventing them from being evil

      1. Whether she is, or is not is irrelavent – and unless you’re a mind reader nobody knows what her position truely is. She could be just a troll for all we know.
        She just uses terms that imply that islam is at fault and even says so.
        Instead of saying crazy people who commit acts of violence who just happen to practice islam and proclaim to do those acts of violence in the name of islam. She says something to the effect of what other people in the major media news say – islamic terrorism or radical islam. See the difference? One implies Islam is at fault, the other implies that the people are at fault.
        And no she is not being fair in these debates. She doesn’t post everything – even if she claims libel (which of course, isn’t the case).
        In the US, the majority of people didn’t react when depleted uranium (categorized as a weapon of mass destruction by the U.N.) was used in Iraq, nor was there mass protests against Guantanamo Bay. Are you implying that americans support our administration in what they do because they do not protest it? Get a clue…
        Or if you do have a clue and are being disingenuous in your statements by trying to make other people look bad, then get another type of clue – it isn’t going to work.
        If you want to attack islam – then stick with the truth. Attack it on the academic level – don’t attack it by associating with acts that may or may not have as its main cause as islam.
        I can think of one or two types of arguments that may work against Islam, and they have nothing to do with the claim about acts of violence with people who claim to do be doing it in the name of religion.
        But nope, you people do the dumb way by opening yourself up to attack by making bogus arguments… that may work against stupid people that listen to the national news networks on TV or the radio. But the internet is different. You’re talking to a slightly more educated crowd.

  11. The three Abrahamic religions are desert death cults. :woohoo:

  12. Well, then…
    Let the Crusades begin!

  13. Honest Issues
    There are two major types of religion in the world. Christian and non Christian. Muslim being a non Christian religion thinks that only they have a right to to dictate to the world their views or else. The christian religion does not illustrate via the bible to go and kill those who are not Christian, it is the opposite: to love, be kind, be caring to those who are not Christians. Our God is a God of Love to the whole world not to just one kind of religion. A religion that is 3rd on the list in time sequence should not be using its might to dissuade others by fear of intimidation and killing as a result of non compliance to conversion. When people are raised from babies to hate all that is not like themselves there can be no change in the mental process that had been ingrained for 20 plus years. Since they have no tolerance for other religions to be taught in their communities openly, freely and without harm. Hebrew was around long before Muslim came into view. Christianity was around long before Muslim came into view. It is a sad day when people of any religion kill others cause they will not be converted. JDP

  14. Femme Fatale of Facts

    ….Mmmmmm… why does this seem so familiar to me????….where in the …. have seen this before???…hmmmm…Ohhhhh, yes…. in the TALMUD !….. Infidels (of /to “own” Faith of The Chosen Ones) and overall murder of Gentiles …also very admirable in God’s eyes….acc. to “The Book”!….. Hmmmmm…hummmmhummmm….. hmmmmmm….

  15. .
    Their extremism will carry them far. After that they will lose their extremism. It will be too late to do anything about them. We should not let them kill us.

  16. re: Censorship
    [quote name=”Aly”]As I suspected you didn’t have the cajones to publish my last two comments, Straw Man. Disappointing, as you portray yourself as an arbiter of free thought. Interesting nom de plume also, Jeff Hansen…. LMAO! You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you don’t fool me Mister Fascist. Not for a nano second.[/quote]

    I don’t fool you? I’m attacking a fascist apologist for a fascist ideology & you’re sticking up for them by calling me “Mister Fascist”? Care to back that up with some sort of reasoned arguement or are you just name-calling to be rude?

    And yes, I’m posting under my real name & year of birth. Why is that interesting? I’m on Facebook under that name too. Come say hello. You’re long on accuasations & name-calling but damn short on facts & reason.

  17. We are having huge problems with extremists Muslims in Australia 20 in Gaol so far for planning Home Grown terrorists attacks against fellow Australians. The Leader of a mosque was recently quoted in the press as saying all Australian women are nothing beut”meat” hanging on a butchers hooks. Our gutless politicians are taking our civil liberties off the majority because of thes peoples attitudes. Why did we make the mistake of bringing large numbers of them into our society?

  18. Why ?
    Freedom of speech is all well and good but there has to be some personal responsibility for what any individual has to say.
    Why give the fundamentalist nutjobs a TV platform for them to verbalise their extreme views ?
    Most religions imho have a contingent of fundamentalist nutters, not just Islam.

  19. Love the Muslim guy at 4:15 through to the end of part 5 here saying that according to Islam, the infidel can be bought, sold or killed… “It’s okay.”

    Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West (5 of 10) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jwL_GefwUE[/url])

    It’s reasons like that that give people reason to speak out very loudly against the Islamic ideology.

  20. re: Straw Man
    [quote name=”Aly”]IGoebbels, were he alive, would be flattered that he has such a good student/tactician as you[/quote]

    ahh… first a strawman and then an invocation of Godwins law. Great work!

  21. same old rhetoric
    after all the bloodshed in the muslims world in the colonial periods and since this new war on terror or war on islam began it is the muslim countries that have been ravaged, and still the judeo-christians find reasons to blame islam for all the madness in the 20-21st century.

    this is a clash of systems the islamic Caliphate vs judeo-christian imperialism, and since ww2 the west has controll of the media, military technology, world finance, it wont surprize me if they use & fund elements even with in muslims to give hate speeches against the nonmuslims to help the west justify their 21st cen crusades.

    our prophet mohammad had already propesized of these times, and we muslims already know what the result is.

    on the other hand the west should go all out to war with muslims starting with pakistan iran turkey, its going to be a good battle, lets see who wins, the porn ridden western materialist civilization or the rag tag armies of islam. (afghanistan is a good preview by the way.)

    1. Same old rhetoric indeed. When you point out the barbaric, anti-human teachings & practices of Islam, it’s apologists rarely ever bother to refute what you say. It’s kinda hard to deny the obvious.

      Instead they whine about “the Jews” or The West, trying to misdirect instead of defending an indefensible position. Ironically, they’re usually enjoying all the advantages of the west & left their Islamic lands to get here before whining too.

      By the way, it’s another hilarious irony to hear the followers of a child-raping pedophile prophet complain about western porn. That bloodthirsty, hateful “religion of peace” is full of ironies, isn’t it?

      1. Well said, Jeff, although, of course, it’s not really a “hilarious” subject, obviously.

        And speaking of child rape, according to this video, in Saudi Arabia, the very land of Mohammed – where the keepers of true Islam reign supreme – almost one quarter of all children have been raped.

        [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EfiZyPk1OU[/url]

        The rape of children – especially boys – is rampant in the Muslim world because of the segregation of women and the suppression of heterosexual sex outside of arranged marriage. These facts are becoming increasingly well known.

        Then there’s all the child “marriage” based on Mohammed’s example with the 6-year-old Aisha.

        The difference between the non-Muslim and Muslim world in this regard is that it is highly [i]illegal [/i]to have sex with children in societies not governed by Islamic/sharia law.

        It is beyond “ironic” that anyone with a conscience would defend this mess.

  22. Dysfunctional
    The dysfunctional and abusive among us always demand to be the center of attention, 24 hours a day. Read the U.S. news; the media will make my argument for me every day of the week. It’s all about manipulation via confusion. Only those confused can be successfully manipulated. Those the bask in the afterglow of death and destruction should get a hobby.

  23. re: Dysfunctional
    [quote name=”Banderman”]The dysfunctional and abusive among us always demand to be the center of attention, 24 hours a day. Read the U.S. news; the media will make my argument for me every day of the week. It’s all about manipulation via confusion. Only those confused can be successfully manipulated. Those the bask in the afterglow of death and destruction should get a hobby. [/quote]

    And who would those people be? By “basking in the afterglow” I assume you mean speaking out against such things. You hunted this site & article down & took time to type out a post having nothing to do with the article’s subject. Mabe you should get a hobby too.

  24. re:
    Jeff

    I think you really need to do your research instead of following nonsense and saying ridiculous things. Careful of what you say about the Prophet or any prohphets for that matter. WHen you talk about child-raping pedophile etc , hasnt the west, UK and USA been suffering from these type of people let alone mentioning all the other problems, young preganancies. rape etc.. so comon now dont use double standards here and be a hypocrite!!

    here is a link for you and everyone else who is with your line of erreronous thinking!! This link will give you the True Picture of Islaam and the Prophet!

    http://www.ourbeacon.com

    BTW , the prophet never married Aisha at the age of 6!!!. This is only what falsifiers wrote about the Prophet in their nonsense books of hadith which have nothing to do with the Prohet or real Quranic Teachings of Islam

    Gary

    [quote name=”Jeff Hansen”]Same old rhetoric indeed. When you point out the barbaric, anti-human teachings & practices of Islam, it’s apologists rarely ever bother to refute what you say. It’s kinda hard to deny the obvious.

    Instead they whine about "the Jews" or The West, trying to misdirect instead of defending an indefensible position. Ironically, they’re usually enjoying all the advantages of the west & left their Islamic lands to get here before whining too.

    By the way, it’s another hilarious irony to hear the followers of a child-raping pedophile prophet complain about western porn. That bloodthirsty, hateful "religion of peace" is full of ironies, isn’t it? [/quote]

  25. re: re:
    [quote]Jeff

    I think you really need to do your research instead of following nonsense and saying ridiculous things. Careful of what you say about the Prophet or any prohphets for that matter.[/quote]

    Why do I need be careful of what I say about prophets? Is that some kind of semi-veiled threat? I did my research, Gary. According to your own holy books, Muhammad really was a child-raping warmonger. If you don’t like hearing it you should go somewhere where Islam’s right not to be offended kills free speech & people who practice it. Like Saudi Arabia.

    [quote]WHen you talk about child-raping pedophile etc , hasnt the west, UK and USA been suffering from these type of people let alone mentioning all the other problems, young preganancies. rape etc.. so comon now dont use double standards here and be a hypocrite!![/quote]

    Yes. You don’t seem to understand the definition of the word hypocrite here. You see, the west’s (& everywhere else in the world) SUFFERING from pedophiles & Islam’s idolizing one aren’t the same thing.

    We condemn, outlaw, & punish pedophilia. Islam defends & encourages it. We have a big problem with it. Islam condones it .See the difference? BTW, Did you bother to watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EfiZyPk1OU ? Didn’t think so.

    [quote]BTW , the prophet never married Aisha at the age of 6!!!. This is only what falsifiers wrote about the Prophet in their nonsense books of hadith which have nothing to do with the Prohet or real Quranic Teachings of Islam [/quote]

    Good. You now need to go convince the rest of the Muslim world to condemn the hadiths so they’ll stop defending Muhammad’s child-raping every time it gets pointed out. And mabe they’ll stop allowing men to marry children too.

    And while you’re discrediting the hadiths, do the Koran too so they’ll stop beating & killing women & hating everything that isn’t Islam.

  26. I Pray You Die!
    I’m a muslim and I pray this Imam dies. Koran clearly states.

    “There is NO compulsion in religion” This idiot never read that? 🙁

    Islam came to save humanity not kill. When fathers used to bury their daughters alive, Muhammad rescued them. Hundreds of stories of him saving the lives of Jews + Christians. He even forgave those who tried to murder him. If he were alive today, I bet he would kick this Imam’s ass.

    But lets be adults here. Which country/culture/religion/race does not have nut jobs like him? Those who twist the faith and its teachings to suit themselves.

    After Muhammad’s death, those hungry for power and domination distorted his teachings into the form you’re seeing today.

    The man who had the key to the treasures of Arabia, yet never stole it; the man who never ate for 2 days in a row, since he had no money for food; the man who forbade charity for his family, lest people start giving them as bribes, the man who forbade his picture making, lest people start worshiping him.

    [i]That [/i]man never wanted power, world domination and killing of innocent people.

    However, the ones who do want such things were, are and will be the Arabic people. Its in their blood. Read their history and you’ll know what I mean. Arabs are THE MOST BARBARIC & VIOLENT race on the planet. They are the ones who twisted Muhammad’s teachings right after his death.

    Muhammad was the last prophet. He could have come to the Chinese, Russians, Indians, Europeans, then why did he take birth in Arabia? Because the Arabs needed his help the most. The true barbarians. Read their history.

    The imam above is not of Arabic but of Indian descent. His ancestors were most probably Hindus who converted to Islam after the Arabs invaded India. He was born in Pakistan which used to be India. The Arabs have been using people from all cultures and races to spread their vile and dangerous ideology of total world domination at all cost and by all means.

    If and when Islam comes to power, remember that its not the religion of Muhammad but the version used by Arabs. They are the ones who’ll come to power. Islam is just a disguise they’ve been using to manipulate the world. The day Muhammad died, they were back at war with eachother right outside his home. He must be turning in grave knowing how all his effort to turn this barbaric race into decent, civilized humans have been wasted and brought the wrath of the world upon his people.

    These Pakistani people should come to their sense and see the Arabs for who they are. How they’ve been manipulating the Pakistani people for decades, turning their youth into terrorists and bringing shame upon the country. This Imam is nothing but a toy in their hands, a pathetic fool. They must have bribed him to speak up like this, just like they bribe everyone else. There’s a popular saying in my language that the Arab’s hand reaches into his pocket before he knows what he wants from you.

    Oh and before someone calls me a racist, I’m an Arab. 👿 And thats how I know the real history behind Islam & Arabs.

  27. Kreem & Shahinclaat
    Hey Kreem & Shahinclaat, where in the world are the guys like you? If there was even one of you standing up publicly for every ten of that idiot this present issue wouldn’t exist. Both the west & the muslim world could benefit immensely from hearing voices like yours drowning out the bleatings of such “men”.

    I’m about the biggest critic of Islam (& other religions) there is & stand by my opinions. Having said that, based strictly on what you men have said here I feel that we disagree with eachother on far less than we do with this bloodthirsty bigot. Reading your posts just made my day & I thank you for speaking up against this.

    [quote]But lets be adults here. Which country/culture/religion/race does not have nut jobs like him?[/quote]

    None. Ever. I believe men create all religions & ideologies. They often put their hate & cruelty into God’s mouth or otherwise legitimize it.

    [quote]Oh and before someone calls me a racist, I’m an Arab. And thats how I know the real history behind Islam & Arabs. [/quote]

    You have more intellectual honesty than any any of our western PC liberals with their fashionable opinions & suicidal self-hatred. That said, the Arab people definitey deserve to be able to live free & happy lives. They were born into a very unfortunate reality they didn’t do anything to earn. “Imams” like this clown & his useful idiots are the Arab people’s #1 enemy. They deserve better.

    [quote] He exhibits the same spiritual sickness that infects nazis,zionists and all other supremacists and bigots; the external manifestations are different but the root cause is clearly the same.[/quote]

    Very well put. You don’t sound like the typical “Islamic scholar” at all. You sound like a man who sees clearly the biggest source of human misery & evil.

    [quote]peace and love to you all.[/quote]

    Right back at you, bro.

  28. Saladin salad
    It’s about your turn to be ravaged. Islam ravaged Christian Middle East, Christian North Africa, Christian Near East, and would have not stopped there if it had a choice.
    You have a “religion” that is more suitable to Genghis Khan than to the second millenium, and is merely ridiculous for the third.
    Here’s a thought, why not take your AK 47 to Israel have a shot at those 70 virgins?

  29. Richard, aka RightofRush

    An enquiring mind wants to know.
    What were the dirty word(s) that got my post last night pulled?
    Was it Zionist? Was it that the Brits are better at propaganda than Goebbels? Was it that they and the home grown Communists helped helped push us into WWII?

  30. Propaganda
    Aly, Goebbels is not the best example of a master propagandist. He was too easily identified as such. The truly masterful propagandists are the British. They lied and manipulated us into WWI. They feared (rightly) the economic competition of the Germans. As for getting us into WWII, the British were aided by Zionists and our home grown Communists. George Patton was right, and paid for his prescience with his life, for saying that we were fighting the wrong dictator.

  31. I am a practicing Quran true muslim and i promise you all i feel nothing but disgust for what this filthy animal is saying. If this was Islam i would be the first to leave it and condemn it. True religion is nothing but love for God and ALL his creation. The kind of degenerate islamo-supremacism advocated by this infidel “preacher” is nothing but another form of blind nationalism and completely repudiated by true Islam. He exhibits the same spiritual sickness that infects nazis,zionists and all other supremacists and bigots; the external manifestations are different but the root cause is clearly the same.

    If people are going to reply to me about his nonsense being supported by the Quran, i will state simply now i have studied the Quran for 10 years and am ready to reply to each and every such claim against my faith. False-islamist deviants like Choudry and islamophobes have one thing in common and that is the propensity to quote scripture separated from its context and historical and legal frameworks. You will not learn the truth about islam on the websites of unqualified islamophobes, just as you will learn little of Judaism on the websites of unacademic nazis who cut and paste mistranslated extracts of the Talmud out of all context to supposedly prove some point or other.

    peace and love to you all.

    1. Thank you. Here is one Muslim perspective for which I can hold respect. Let us hope many more take this viewpoint.

  32. To Jeff Hansen
    Hello Jeff,

    You have every right to criticize the religion of Islam or any other religion for that matter.

    However, I would like you and others here to not separate the history of the land, its people and their culture from their religion. All of them go together hand in hand and if one piece is missing, nothing makes sense at all.

    As I said in my previous post, Muhammad came to the Arabs because they needed his help the most. And after his death, they went back doing what they did best, fight eachother. This is in their blood, their DNA and they cant help it. Its like asking a lion to be a vegetarian and not eat you. Well he cant help it, can he?

    If you go deep in the history of the Arab nations you would realize who these people really are. These are the descendants of the Jews Moses rescued from the Egyptians. Read their stories, how as soon Moses was out of sight, they built a calf and started worshiping it. It was in their nature. Similarly, as soon as Muhammad was out of the way, these Arabs twisted his teachings to suit themselves and their dark motives.

    As long as Muhammad was alive no one dared harm a living being, including animals. Once he saw a man beating his camel and he sat down and started crying. The man came over and asked him what was wrong. He replied, “When you hit him, you hit me.” The man stopped. After that day forward no one ever hit a camel, not up until his death.

    There is no way in hell I would ever believe that the man who felt the pain of an animal as his own would want to hurt human beings.

    About him marrying Aisha who was a young girl, lets put this story in the right context. Back then average age was around 35. Very very few and lucky people survived above that age. Disease and famine were rampant and Arabia was nothing but a desert, with water being the most scarce commodity. Children barely reached the age of 9 and boys died more often than girls. Girls, as soon as they had their first period, were ready to get married. And this custom can be observed in all the countries all over the world, at some places even today.

    After a girl had her first period, she was considered a woman ready to bear children. This is nothing new that Islam started. We can find the same behavior taking place even in western civilizations. Aisha was NOT a child when he married her, she was considered a woman according to the customs of the time.

    Besides, Muhammad was the first Arab who started respecting women and treated them as his equals.

    Arabs did not marry widows and considered them as cursed since their husbands had died before them. Muhammad married a window showing them they were wrong.

    Arabs didn not marry divorced women claiming why should we marry a woman her own husband has thrown out. Again, Muhammad married a divorcee, restoring her place back in society.

    Arabs did not marry older women claiming they better spend their nights with a virgin instead of an old hag. Again, Muhammad married a woman 15 years older and as long as she lived he did not marry anyone else.

    Arabs buried their girls alive out of shame lest they grow up and become prostitutes. Muhammad raised all 4 of his daughters and called them the pride of his life and the shine in his eyes. Only after seeing him raise his daughters so well and not be ashamed of them did the Arab men let daughters back into their lives. Muhammad said, “The man who raises his daughters well, feeds them from his hands and educates them is the most beloved man in the sight of God.”

    I could go on and on but I would stop here. An intelligent person doesnt need me spelling out everything for him.

    The point is, Muhammad was nothing but a messenger. He brought the message of peace and while he was alive the Arabs followed him and his teachings like sheep. As soon as he died they turned into the wolves they always were and will always be. Islam is nothing but a disguise they’re using to advance their dirty world domination plans. As I’ve said before in a post, when Islam comes to power, remember that its not the Islam of Muhammad but the one the Arabs created after his death and they are the ones who’ll come to power.

    And before you say I better go convince other muslims, well yes I have. There are hundreds of my kind around. But lets be realistic here. Even after knowing that Columbus was nothing but a brutal murderer who not just tortured but also took pleasure in torturing the native Americans, he is still being celebrated in the USA.

    People have tried to convince others, sometimes failing sometimes succeeding. Only when the majority gets a hold of his journals and see for themselves what a vile creature he was would they stop celebrating Columbus day. Similarly, when majority of muslims see for themselves how the Arabs have turned their peaceful religion into a monster would they stop following them and follow what Muhammad actually preached.

    I have high hopes from the internet and I believe more and more people are waking up everyday. All we need to do is keep spreading the true message. The message of brotherhood between all human beings regardless of race, religion, culture and most important of all, the country.

    When you or someone like you condemn muslims or their religion you do nothing but isolate them even more. Kindness is the best way to win hearts my friend. If you isolate them they would go back into their hiding place and think “Yes my people were right, everyone else is our enemy”. So I request to you and others not to be too harsh on these people. This is how they’ve been raised. All you need do is point them in the right direction.

    There was a time in the west when women couldn’t vote and blacks were treated worse than animals. That time has passed but it took America more a couple of centuries to reach this place. Even today racism hasn’t been uprooted completely.

    Don’t forget that beating women and children, beating kids for disobeying adults, not having sex until you were married, stoning women for adultery, burning witches, burning people at the stake for translating the bible, jailing scientists for claiming the earth revolved around the sun, all of these were the norms in the western society society.

    The point is, the west/Christianity’s dark period has passed. But for other countries/religions that time has yet begun. The man above, the Pakistani Imam, his country was built around 60 years ago, they haven’t had enough time to change yet. Not even a stable government. Its just like the USA in the beginning.

    But these people are trying to change. I know they’re trying very hard, especially the youth. And with the advent of internet I’m hopeful that change will take place much more faster than it took place in America or the rest of the western world. The ride ahead is going to be very very ugly as the civilizations clash and the ones who will adapt will survive and the rest will perish. Lets hope we come out of this safe and alive. 🙂

  33. March 3rd 2010 Muslim scholar speakes out about Te
    London, England (CNN) — A Muslim scholar has issued a fatwa, or religious ruling, that says suicide bombers are destined for hell.

    Tahir ul-Qadri condemned terrorism and criticized Islamic extremists who cite their religion to justify violence.

    Ul-Qadri’s 600-page fatwa is “arguably the most comprehensive theological refutation of Islamist terrorism to date,” according to the Quilliam Foundation, a London organization that describes itself as a counterterrorism think tank.

    “Terrorism is terrorism,” ul-Qadri said at a news conference hosted by the foundation. “Violence is violence. It has no place in Islamic teaching, and no justification can be provided to it …”

    Ul-Qadri is the founder of Minhaj-ul-Quran, an organization with hundreds of thousands of followers in South Asia and the United Kingdom, according to the Quilliam Foundation.

    The foundation refers to ul-Qadri as a mainstream Muslim scholar who is a “widely recognized and respected authority on Islamic jurisprudence.”

    Violence is violence. It has no place in Islamic teaching.

    –Tahir ul-Qadri, author of fatwa against terrorism

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    He criticized Muslims who, in justifying terrorism, say it furthers the goal of correcting wrongs done to Muslims.

    “No good intention — even one thousand good intentions put together — cannot justify a wrong and forbidden act,” he said. “Good intentions cannot convert a wrong into good.”

  34. re: about hindus
    😡 [quote name=”Acharya S”]No one here to my knowledge is saying anything about it being okay to slaughter millions of people, whether Iraqis, Afghans or otherwise. Thus, you have raised an inaccurate straw man.

    Moreover, none of the individuals in this article or accompanying videos are "-)efending" themselves against anyone. One is a group of Muslims in Pakistan who almost beat their brother to death because he would not convert to Islam. This incident has nothing to do with anything you have raised.

    The guy in the video is a fanatic who lives off the dole in Great Britain, also not a victim of anything.

    Both are citing long-standing traditions justified by Islamic scripture. None of it has anything to do with defense.

    The point is not about these individuals in any event, as they are but examples. The point is that such people have used their god, holy book and religion to justify murdering others.

    It is no different from what Christianity has done – are you going around raising such issues on sites that are critical of modern Christian aggressions, such as Bush & Cheney in Iraq?[/quote]

  35. the hindus i have hindus hindus are very bad they dont see two muslims together.their mission is to finish all of the muslims but allah is with us i mean all is with muslims hindus and cristians are one qaum
    so we all muslims have to be together and spent our islam i love allah and i believe that hazrat mohd sallah ho allaiho wa ali wa salam is allahs messenger
    thanks i love allah and all the muslims allah ham sab musalmano ko jannat naseeb farmaai aameeeennnn somameeeen.
    assalam walai kum wa rahma tullah he wabarakato ho
    khuda hafiz
    allah ho akbar
    allah sab sa bara hai

  36. :huh: 不好 我是中国的

  37. Kreem is correct. Read THE MARASH.
    When they practice true Islam, peace will begin. A Women was the only true God, Men are nothing but scared animals, they killed, there true God, and brainwash ever-one. Education and free Will, is the only thing that will save us all.
    If our Children do not find a way the leave this Earth to travel the universe, and find other inhabitable planits, we humans will seece to exist, its only logical that our SUN will expires in time. Then the earths backwards religions, can have the world, we will even give it to them, right? Until then, go back to you shera law countries, and stay there until it time. The intelligent people of the world will be ready to leave this world to you.
    Your sole was give your human form so your sole could have a chance to advance to a higher level. It depends on the quality of life you lived, weather you advance or regress. It’s your choice. It’s not the one who brain washes you.

  38. Look, down in the sewer, it’s a rat, it’s a t*rd,
    Anjem Choudary! Faster than a slow bowel movement, more powerful than same after an e coli Mexican dinner special, able to leap to idiotic conclusions in a single bound. Strange visitor from another ideology … who fights a never ending battle for for the right to whine at every opportunity and collect his welfare check every two weeks!

  39. Anjem Choudary wins first prize …
    For the most despicable person to ever walk the Earth.

    1. Well, he’s also extremely truthful in exposing the innards of Islamic fanaticism. So much so, in fact, that one wonders if he’s a psy-op, in which case, he’s doing us all a huge favor and at great risk to himself.

      In the meantime, I find more despicable in some ways those who deny that what Choudary is saying IS Islamic fundamentalism. Such as, Muslims who don’t know what they are following or who are gleefully lying about it.

      Worse yet are the supposedly educated non-Muslims who do know what they are talking about in their defense of this woman-hating cult and who also blithely assist in its spread. For shame!

  40. Seriously …
    Seriously, Muslims and associated dhimmis, do you really think that your childish whining has any force here? Here’s your ball. Go home and pout.

    If you want the respect you erroneously think you deserve, start doing something about your vile, blood-lust ideology that you call a religion. Stop making excuses, stop lying, stop rationalizing, stop threatening, stop ridiculing, stop killing, stop blowing things up, stop your insanity. Until you decide to join the civilized world in the 21st century and stop clinging to your camel wanking barbarity and primitiveness, you will always be treated as the savages you are.

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