Muslim clerics call for destruction of Egypt’s Great Pyramid and other antiquities
UPDATE (11/11/12): The Arab newspaper al-Arabiya has reported on the call of another jihadi cleric for the destruction of the pyramids, Sphinx and other ancient artifacts.
UPDATE: Raymond Ibrahim, the originator of this news item, has answered the fallacious charges that this story is a “hoax” and “fraud”:
Because the article “Calls to Destroy Egypt’s Great Pyramids Begin” went viral on the Internet—read nearly 400,000 times on FrontPage Magazine alone where it first appeared—as expected, the infamous “hoax” charge has been made to lull the West back to sleep.
See the rest of Raymond’s article at Huffington Post, MSM Facilitate Destruction of Egypt’s Pyramids. No amount of personal insults against me will change these facts, but such mindless vitriol against my person will prove that pandering to Islamists makes people hateful and lacking in integrity and ethics.
Libeling me also will not cause me to be party to furthering the inroads of the world’s most misogynistic and violent ideology. As a student of archaeology for decades, I’m also not going to stand idly by while Islamic fanatics continue to destroy important ancient artifacts, as they have been doing everywhere they’ve gained a foothold over the past 1,400 years. Everyone’s forgotten the Bamiyan Buddhas already? How about what’s been happening in Timbutku? Have we forgotten too the atrocious destruction of many other artifacts in Egypt by rabid Islamists? Ignorant also of the tremendous destruction of culture in India, when Muslims invaded there? Thousands upon thousands of sacred sites were destroyed. Much of the Arabian peninsula’s pre-Islamic history has been destroyed, and so on, for the precise reasons given here by these Islamic authorities. Please do not abet these destroyers with your hand-waving dismissals of this important issue.
Following is my original post:
Just in case there is any doubt why I did not celebrate the “Arab Spring” and why I continually expose Islamic fundamentalism. I’m frankly too worn out to say anything else. Time for others to deal with this issue – please do.
“...prominent Muslim clerics have begun to call for the demolition of Egypt’s Great Pyramids—or, in the words of Saudi Sheikh Ali bin Said al-Rabi’i, those ‘symbols of paganism,’ which Egypt’s Salafi party has long planned to cover with wax. Most recently, Bahrain’s ‘Sheikh of Sunni Sheikhs’ and President of National Unity, Abd al-Latif al-Mahmoud, called on Egypt’s new president, Muhammad Morsi, to ‘destroy the Pyramids…‘”
Calls to Destroy Egypt’s Great Pyramids Begin
According to several reports in the Arabic media, prominent Muslim clerics have begun to call for the demolition of Egypt’s Great Pyramids—or, in the words of Saudi Sheikh Ali bin Said al-Rabi’i, those “symbols of paganism,” which Egypt’s Salafi party has long planned to cover with wax. Most recently, Bahrain’s “Sheikh of Sunni Sheikhs” and President of National Unity, Abd al-Latif al-Mahmoud, called on Egypt’s new president, Muhammad Morsi, to “destroy the Pyramids and accomplish what Amr bin al-As could not.”
This is a reference to the Muslim Prophet Muhammad’s companion, Amr bin al-As and his Arabian tribesmen, who invaded and conquered Egypt circa 641. Under al-As and subsequent Muslim rule, many Egyptian antiquities were destroyed as relics of infidelity. While most Western academics argue otherwise, according to early Muslim writers, the great Library of Alexandria itself—deemed a repository of pagan knowledge contradicting the Koran—was destroyed under bin al-As’s reign and in compliance with Caliph Omar’s command.
However, while book-burning was a simple process in the 7th century, destroying the mountain-like pyramids and their guardian Sphinx was not—even if Egypt’s Medieval Mamluk rulers managed to “de-nose” the latter during target practice (though popular legend naturally attributes it to a Westerner, Napoleon).
Now, however, as Bahrain’s “Sheikh of Sheikhs” observes, and thanks to modern technology, the pyramids can be destroyed. The only question left is whether Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood president is “pious” enough—if he is willing to complete the Islamization process that started under the hands of Egypt’s first Islamic conqueror.
Nor is such a course of action implausible. History is laden with examples of Muslims destroying their own pre-Islamic heritage—starting with Muhammad himself, who destroyed Arabia’s Ka’ba temple, transforming it into a mosque.
Asking “What is it about Islam that so often turns its adherents against their own patrimony?” Daniel Pipes provides several examples, from Medieval Muslims in India destroying their forefathers’ temples, to contemporary Muslims destroying their ancestors’ heritage in Egypt, Iraq, Israel, Malaysia, and Tunisia. Currently, in what the International Criminal Court is describing as a possible “war crime,” Islamic fanatics are destroying the ancient legacy of the city of Timbuktu in Mali—all to Islam’s triumphant war cry, “Allahu Akbar!”
Much of this hate for their own pre-Islamic heritage is tied to the fact that, traditionally, Muslims do not identify with this or that nation, culture, or language, but only with the Islamic nation—the Umma. Accordingly, while many Egyptians—Muslims and non-Muslims alike—see themselves first and foremost as Egyptians, Islamists have no national identity, identifying only with Islam’s “culture,” based on the “sunna” of the prophet and Islam’s language, Arabic. This sentiment was clearly reflected when the former leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, Muhammad Akef, recently declared “the hell with Egypt,” indicating that the interests of his country are secondary to Islam’s.
It is further telling that such calls are being made now—immediately after a Muslim Brotherhood member became Egypt’s president. In fact, the same reports discussing the call to demolish the last of the Seven Wonders of the Word, also note that Egyptian Salafis are calling on Morsi to banish all Shias and Baha’is from Egypt.
In other words, Morsi’s recent call to release the Blind Sheikh, a terrorist mastermind, from U.S. imprisonment, may be the tip of the iceberg in coming audacity. From calls to legalize Islamic sex-slave marriage to calls to institute “morality police” to calls to destroy Egypt’s mountain-like monuments, under Muslim Brotherhood tutelage, the bottle has been uncorked, and the genie unleashed in Egypt.
Will all those international institutions, which make it a point to look the other way whenever human rights abuses are committed by Muslims, lest they appear “Islamophobic,” at least take note now that the Great Pyramids appear to be next on Islam’s hit list, or will the fact that Muslims are involved silence them once again—even as those most ancient symbols of human civilization are pummeled to the ground?
Further Reading
Huffington Post, MSM Facilitate Destruction of Egypt’s Pyramids
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Whaaa…?
Are you kidding me? What’s next for the nation of Islam ? Blow up the moon because pagans have worshiped it? Or the sun? The ocean? The earth, trees,birds, cows,the air..? Bloody damn moronic and phobic and wholy unholy. Everything is just dust in the wind and brought low by nature and time. Movement of the elements is inevitable . This is just a bowel movement of the elements of the brotherhood. When will the world quit putting up with b.s, ? Or are we headed for another dark ages? Remember to tell your children about indoor plumbing and airplanes ,sciences and art. Lol . -peace
Allah [b]IS [/b]a lesser Moon god.So no they probably wouldn’t.
Koran will put you in prison, or worse
Archaic Islam laws used to sanction violence against their own people. The Koran is used to to send strong men to prison, and strip them of all rights as citizens. Rule using three iron fists (death, torture, imprisonment). No one can vote from a prison cell, and the islamic clerics know this well. If you want to know if democracy exist, you have too look at the men that are in the prisons. The common belief is that prisoners are murderers, rapist and thieves — but many might have deserved freedom, and would indeed be free in another country that doesnt use the Koran as cover for oppression. Just like the Bible, the Koran is a written testimonial of the hardships that people endured under the most sadistic rulers of the entire mankind. The desire to re-invoke ancient laws that were instated by the worst incarnations of human forms – should be observed with fear and disgust.
The Muslim Brotherhood truly are a disgrace to the human race.
While it seems unlikely they will succeed in their insane plan, the fact still remains that anyone who could even for a second consider destroying some of the most significant ancient structures in the world must be truly sick in the head. 😡
Oh no! So, this is what we can expect from Islam … just more and more destruction. I’m reminded of the destruction of the 175 foot Buddha statue, which has been removed from Youtube by some ass-hat, apparently, to hide the video evidence.
[b]”The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, Jihad Is Our Path & Death in the Name of Allah Is Our Goal”
– Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi[/b]
SOURCE: http://www.humanevents.com/2012/06/24/egyptian-president-mohammed-morsi-jihad-is-our-path-death-name-allah-is-our-goal/
“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”
– Omar M. Ahmad, founder of CAIR, July 4th 1998
http://islamreality.wordpress.com ([url]http://islamreality.wordpress.com[/url])
Actually, what you are saying is quite incorrect. On the contrary, we are attempting to [i]restore [/i]the history that Christianity has destroyed over the past 2,000 years. It is clear that you do not know my work in the least before making such remarks.
In this [i]restoration [/i]of history, we are returning to the pre-Christian cultures their dignity. This dignity was destroyed by the calumny and injustice of Christianity in “borrowing” numerous aspects of pre-Christian religion, mythology and philosophy, and presenting it as “divine revelation,” while subsequently disparaging the cultures from which the Christian cult was cobbled together.
This usurpation represents a serious situation that led to the torture and slaughter of tens to hundreds of millions of human beings in its name – all this torment, trauma and suffering in the name of Christianity, Jesus Christ and God.
It is quite shameful to attempt to defend this miserable history by attacking people you do not even know and impugning their character. But such behavior is to be expected from devotees of the cult that brought us the Inquisition.
As concerns actual physical artifacts, I have never once called for the destruction of Christian edifices or cultural artifacts, so your calumny is simply that – but, again, it does reflect the hateful and mendacious mentality inculcated into the minds of the suspicious religious fanatics.
“Freethinking fundamentalists” is not only an oxymoron, it is simply ridiculous, not at all clever. Again, you do not know me in the least to make such a ludicrous comment.
To reiterate, my work revolves around investigating and bringing to light the history of the pre-Christian “pagan” cultures whose memory has been sullied even by that very name, “pagan,” which is designed to humiliate the Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Persians and others by implying they are unsophisticated (even evil) peasants. They were not; in fact, they were far more sophisticated than the bulk of cultures that have been Christian. Here is the [i]real [/i]destruction, wrought by Christian fanatics who slaughtered, pillaged and desecrated sacred sites.
When the facts are known as to the destruction – the crimes against humanity – committed in the name of Christianity ([url]http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm[/url]), the audacity of such vitriolic remarks as yours becomes more than evident.
Below is but a partial list – this despicable injustice is a major motivator for why I do what I do. If you are not interested in such endeavors to right wrongs, that is your privilege, but for you actually to attack someone who is dedicated to correcting these injustices is egregious, not at all moral.
[quote]”WONDERFUL EVENTS THAT TESTIFY TO GOD’S DIVINE GLORY” ([url]http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm[/url])
Listed are only events that solely occurred on command of church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List incomplete)
Ancient Pagans
As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as “temple destroyer.” [DA468]
Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
According to Christian chroniclers he “followed meticulously all Christian teachings…”
In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
[DO19-25]
Mission
Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered. [DO235]
15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Victims unknown. [DO30]
16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops “pacified and civilized” Ireland, where only Gaelic “wild Irish”, “unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing.” One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that “the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies… and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie”, which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused “greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde”.
Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]
Crusades (1095-1291)
First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]
9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]
Until Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]
after 6/3/98 Antiochia (then turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women & children) killed. [WW32-35]
Here the Christians “did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy’s] tents—save that they ran their lances through their bellies,” according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine “the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians” said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (jewish, muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
(In the words of one witness: “there [in front of Solomon’s temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes”, and after that “happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour’s tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude”)
The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: “It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished.” [TG79]
Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that “even the following summer in all of palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition”. One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]
Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered “in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ”. [WW45]
Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably 20 million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224]
Note: All figures according to contemporary (Christian) chroniclers.
For the rest, see:
VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH ([url]http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm[/url])[/quote]
Nice cut and paste there Ach….please tell us about those atheistic tender mercies of Lenin and Stalin and Hitler et al????
Or Pol Pot or Mao….of course….you take no credit for those oh hypocrite!! Islam is indeed brutal but compared to you fundie atheists, they are small potatoes….
Who is “Ach?” You have nothing to say about the pyramids being destroyed, just a harassment of me personally. What stellar integrity.
Whether or not I have cut and pasted an article from my own website is irrelevant, but it shows the low level of debate tactics you are employing.
In the meantime, I do not define myself as an “atheist” (or “theist”) per se, and you obviously know nothing about me or the subject of Pol Pot, Stalin and Hitler ([url]http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/334-were-stalin-hitler-and-pol-pot-atheists.html[/url]). What do I have to do with such individuals? Nothing at all, but your idiotic calumny and attempted smear of guilt by association are noted. In reality, you can thank religious fanaticism for the existence of these violent despots.
I stand by my above post, despite your unseemly sneering. Thank you for the example of what Christianity does to people’s civility.
Hitler …
In his own words, was a Christian. No one has ever been killed in the name of atheism. But, religion, now that’s another story. You’re just showing your ignorance, Dev. But, that’s OK, it does seem to be a favorite pastime of of the religious.
our taxes
We have been supporting brotherhood since wwII. Before wwII, the British were paying for them. Research MB.
mothman777
Yes, I am quite sure that the religious edict of Islam to convert all the world and put anyone who will not surrender to Allah to the sword, as stated in the Koran, is quite unacceptable.
Although everyone of all faiths as well as atheists and humanists need to stand together in these times to defeat the terrible menace of NWO Jewish world domination, and intended genocide of all other races by that NWO, the fact remains that followers of Islam must learn to forge an agreement with the rest of the world to keep their faith to themselves in certain areas of the globe given over to them, or military conflict will be inevitable.
In their drive to possess the entire world, they may well initiate the destruction of it in their blindness. One attempt by the Jews is quite enough already, and we certainly don’t want another lot of people going crazy like that. Far better for a percentage of the world’s population to live their days out in peace in agreed places reserved for them, like all of Africa and Pakistan etc.
With today’s weapons, attempts at world domination will not leave any part of the world habitable in any way for any species in the long term, so the Muslims as well as the Jews had better appreciate that and stop their insanity.
Better for the Muslims to just have a portion of the globe and be satisfied with that. The philosophy of all or nothing will surely not please the real God, as I am sure He would rather that the whole world was not ruined for all time to come just to please the mad whims of one generation of Jews or Muslims or whatever, and Allah would surely not want to risk that, but I am sure the hotheads are too far gone to think straight and realize that; they would happily see the world go up with a bang if they cannot have it all, just like the Jews are doing now.
Raving mad the lot of them if they can’t stop all this craving for power nonsense. They should just offer people a choice of faith but not compel them, but although the Koran says just that in one place, it then hypocritically goes on to say that the whole world must be taken for Allah and His servants, and that all who will not comply are to be put to the sword. All Abrahamic religions should be banned as they are literally insane anyway, all of them without exception raving about the joys of torturing souls of their imagined enemies for all eternity, which is the most anti-spiritual thing there can possibly be.
The best solution would be to give all Muslims their own territories right now and peacefully deport them all before serious military trouble erupts, and it will, because they are simply not capable of seeing any other path but Jihad as they are commanded to do in the Koran, and any Muslim who tells you that is not true is simply lying in a cunning way.
The same goes for the Jews, who also want world domination, and they cannot be trusted either, so they must all be gathered together, deported, and given their own land in Birobidzan, as the 4,000 Jews of many different denominations who never turned up to work at the WTC towers on 9-11, leaving all their gentile workmates of many years standing to be annihilated in the blasts, proves so well, as those Jews all acted as one military unit in the Jewish criminal interest, and still do to this day, no matter whether or not they are Buddhist Jews, Jews for Jesus, atheist Jews, non-practicing Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, Sephardic Jews, Zionist or even non Zionist Jews (a nonsense term anyway, as the Jews intend to have the whole world, and not just Eretz Israel in the Middle East).
We need a global return to true spiritual values, in which the reality is understood that all creatures have immortal souls, and that we are all part of one huge network of souls filling the entirety of the cosmos, with God as our spiritual nexus also acting as our communal higher self.
We are all linked together for eternity, so we had all better go a lot easier on each other, and this is something that the Abrahamic religions are simply not mentally well enough to accept at present, being quite happy with the idea of everyone else but themselves burning for all eternity without ever being set free, which is utterly demonic and purely psychotic actually, though in their demented self delusion they actually think they are very loving and devoted to God.
Say What???
You know, mothman, you don’t sound wrapped to tight
yourself. Are you sure that you’re not a fundamentalist
Dominionist? Or are you just a conspiracy theorist wacko?
But I do give you a little credit on your Islamist stand.
yep
The words “NWO”, “Illuminati” and “Reptilians”, etc. are all code for “I am off my medication”…
Mad dogs
Do you expect a mad dog to be cured or just put it down?
If they destroy the Pyramids and other Egyptian antiquities, they will be showing remarkable stupidity. Those antiquities are a reliable source of tourist revenue.
There are dipsticks in every belief system..hagee hinn..abe foxman…many rabbi.. as many islamists ponder this…the pyramid of giza is a pre flood relic.. it was a power station PLEASE RESEARCH the topic.
You and fellow “free thinking” fundamentists which you like to compare yourself with have also tried to destroy two thousand years of Christian history and religious truth so why get all tied up in knots when other free thinking fundamentists also try to destroy historical cultural artifacts and rewrite the past? Fortunately your views are not as influencial or persuasive as these prominent Muslim clerics otherwise you should consider changing your profile name from Acharya S to the Hindu godess Shiva, destroyer of worlds…
Unfortunately people only seem to pull together with a ’cause’ however illogical that may seem to those not brainwashed.
At the moment the Islamic cause seems to be the dominant one, and unless the rest can unite under some compelling ‘idea’ the slide towards Muslim domination seems inevitable
Our Western education systems have been infiltrated by World Government ideologues for more than half a century, if and when that comes about, brainwashing the masses will be simpler, what the ’cause’ will be is anybody’s guess, Alien threat , incoming asteroid?
The “brotherhood” will NOT destroy the pyramids !
The muslim brotherhood is a
masonic organization. ON the back
of all American Dollar Bills is the
Great pyramid with it’s egyptian
“all seeing eye” of Horus.
I predict if they tried to destroy this
monument, we (the usa), would
crush them in a few days.
The Illiminati will NOT tolerate them
destroying one of their sacred
monuments.
Charles
You won’t hear the black helicopters coming, Charles, because there are in silence mode.
AND THEN
And then they will be coming for you.
Pyramid Blarney
First of all….the “Muslims” need to shut their brainless mouths and tell the world the Truth of their so-called “religion”.
Islam/Muslim was invented by the Catholics, as were ALL others, OK?
Secondly, everyone needs to realise that the pyramids were there BEFORE the Egyptians AND the Muslims, so get your stinking hands off MY personal artifact so as I can land my huge space craft successfully.
Fed up with them!
What miserable people they are. Is there no appreciation of anything in their lives? No live and let live is there. Our way or nothing. I suppose they will blow them up, and I hope they take themselves out at the same time. I really do. I am fed up with it all, and I am sick and tired of hearing about abuses against women and anyone else who does not have their narrow, unhinged mindset.
Honestly what has Islam contributed to science, medicine, anything? 🙁
Dear Anonymous
I’m horrified at the thought of the destruction of Egyptian antiquities – but must point out that Islamic scholars have made massive contributions to modern science and medicine. Credit should be paid where credit is due.
What “massive contributions to modern science and medicine” by Islamic scholars would those be?
There is no truth to that statement at all. Islamic scholars have impeded civilization at almost all turns. They have caused the slaughter of tens to hundreds of millions of people.
For more information refuting this fallacious contention, see the writings of Fjordmann. (And please spare me the calumny of smearing him with Brieviks or any other deranged individual – Fjordmann is a diligent scholar who does not encourage violence in any way, shape or form.)
How Islam Killed Greco-Roman Civilization ([url]http://frontpagemag.com/2012/fjordman/how-islam-killed-greco-roman-civilization/[/url])
False flags prime the world for WW3
Hey Acharya S,
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/24/world/middleeast/in-egypt-rumor-of-p yramids-demise-proves-flimsy.html?_r=1
Here’s is what the NY Times says about the baseless article you posted. That’s right, it calls it a rumor and a fraud!!!
Why aren’t you posting a correction to this fake article. Don’t you read NY Times? Maybe the above link will help with your research. I suggest you do a little more research before you post inflammatory deception and hatred only to make a buck. Selling out your brothers for a few pieces of gold. Hmmm…Where have I heard that before.
Hey yourself.
This fallacious “rumor and fraud” hysteria has been refuted:
Huffington Post, MSM Facilitate Destruction of Egypt’s Pyramids ([url]http://www.raymondibrahim.com/12037/huffington-post-msm-facilitate-destruction[/url])
And, no, I’m not prone to reading the NY Times like some mindless leftist zombie. As we can see, their leftist Islamopandering slant is erroneous.
Perhaps you should check your own self before insulting someone you don’t even know. But thanks for demonstrating that Islamodefense makes people hateful to others whom they don’t know in the least.
In the meantime, while you are in here unethically attacking the integrity of the person pointing towards a clear and present danger, the pyramids remain in peril from this cult of lunatics who aren’t even the original Egyptians.
How to save the world
every religion that says i`m right and your not so convert or die should utterly be destroyed and wiped off earth forever if you ever , ever , want to finally have and know true peace So get rid of them or stop complaining and except your fate
So you are intolerant of intolerance. In other words, YOU ALSO should be utterly destroyed and wiped off the earth forever. THEN we will finally have true peace. Brilliant!!!
reality
What you must understand is that the pyramids are monuments that celebrate death. They were built for pagan gods of death at the expense of the rest of society. They are built upon a lie that you can take your riches with you into the next life and it is done at the work and toil of the less fortunate.
Down to Muslims
I am an ex Muslim and I must say, if you continue to let Islam grows, this world will be in jeopardy!
It is not the decision of the adherents of the faith neither in the power of them seems u missed that completely while you were a muslim that is if you are telling the truth. Your comments really reveal you for what you are or rather what you were —- half baked—– a half bked floor crosser :kiss:
Reply to Dr Strangelove
You are Jewish, right? Is that the best trolling you can do? Go back to hasbara school and pick up a few more handy insulting phrases that are so typical of you mindless sayanim idiots, but don’t waste your time trying them on me.
What is not wrapped too tightly (learn to spell ‘too’) is the idea that all souls not in any of the Abrahamic religious groups should be tortured constantly in flames or boiling excreta for all eternity, but that would not bother a ‘sane’ nutcase like yourself.
I know what your policy is; to write as much mindless rubbish as possible to distract the attention of serious readers away from the subject matter of this article and the genuine comments in response to it. I do not wish to correspond with you any more on this issue.
The pyramids are truly symbols of polytheism, paganism, and sooner or later will have to be removed from the face of the earth like the millions of polytheistic relics, symbols that have darkened our universe not just our planet.Sorry to all the dissenters, sooner or later they will come down.
your failure to understand the islamic ideology, the rationale, the true and only religion that can lay claim to upholding monotheism, is your dilemma.YOur denials and sarcasm will only serve to diminish your outlook. The decision and inclinination to efface these demonic symbols is simply an expression of servility and obedience, reverence,deference to our Creator and is part of the duty of our exisyence as muslims however abhorrent this may appear to non muslims.
Yah, okay, you evil piece of trash, it ain’t gonna happen. 😡
Your attitude …
Is a “symbol” of abysmal ignorance and backwardness. Islam is a retrograde, worse than medieval, ideology of ignorance, stupidity, emotional/intellectual retardation and destruction. It is the most pathological ideology to ever exist on Earth in the human mind. I see more and more people waking up to the lies of Islam. Fortunately, the seeds of the destruction of Islam is in itself. Something so backward and pathological cannot survive in today’s world. I will celebrate the day Islam no longer exists and I no longer see posts from pathogens like you.
Dev
cut and paste perhaps. ?…….focus on the contents that is more important
LEAVE OFF THE SARCASM AND FOCUS OBJECTIVELY,,,,,,,,,,,,,MAY BE A NEW EXPERIENCE FOR YOU AND AN EMBARRASSING ONE Too
Might be a Good Idea
Maybe it is time to destroy the pyramids, after all this terrible web of horror we are living in is all based on a pyramidal structure. Who knows, perhaps the pyramids are conduits for malign energies. The dark cabal after all are obsessed with them and all things ancient Egyptian. It may be that the destruction of the pyramids will be the very thing that finally releases us from the nightmare we seem to be trapped in. The symbolic significance would be immense (destruction of illuminati) and may lead to an outward collapse of the pyramid control system.. Why do we continually cling to the past? This may be the age where we genuinely go into an open future freed from all these ancient, clinging, poisonous, forces. BRING IT ON.
Perhaps it’s time to get rid of Islam
That’s really pathetic to compare the ancient Egyptian pyramids to an abusive compartmentalized military or business or MLM marketing model. It’s just that type of ignorance that religion does to people.
Perhaps it’s time to get rid of Islam – ever think of that?
If they destroy such a cool and interesting piece of the past I hope it takes all those ignorant f*cks with. They don’t understand it so now it’s pagan? give me a break. sounds like they know it’s a power plant and want it gone so no one else can figure out how it works and we can remain dependant on their f*cking oil… 🙁
Ironic!!!!
It’s quite ironic that both Muslims and Christians continued to argue that pagan religion and mythology are caused by the works of the devil. Well, Justin Martyr and Tertullian said that the prescient devil influenced the minds of the pagans.
This notion by these religious shenanigans can be deemed as “fraudulent narcissism”. Islam is nothing but a remake of the lunar pagan religion in Arabia whereas the Jewish myth “Christianity” is an amalgamation of solar deities (Krishna/Christna, Horus, Jewish messiah, Dionysus, Mithras, etc) in order to perpetuate Roman hegemony by Vespasian and his family.
And to the debunkers, do your research people. What is so wrong about the world today is that you guys take your culture and belief bound to their identities as if what they believe is utterly infallible. So what if there is no core truth to these religions, shouldn’t we just toss them to the trash like what we did to superheroes, santa claus, and the belief that demons cause illnesses?
“Religion is not the opiate of the masses. Religion is the placebo of the masses.” – Dr. Gregory House, Unfaithful episode: House Season 5
Screw You!
[quote name=”yusuf dawood”] The decision and inclinination to efface these demonic symbols is simply an expression of servility and obedience, reverence,deference to our Creator and is part of the duty of our exisyence as muslims however abhorrent this may appear to non muslims.[/quote]
Demonic symbols??? As far as I am concerned, demon is a concept derived from evolution of beliefs. Since Islam came from Arabia, it is considered that the sun is the bad guy while the moon is good.
Before you rant gleefully about this, read some other books other than your scriptures. I recommend you to watch Scott Burdick’s Great Minds of Our Time and his free doc entitled “In God We Trust”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ucVDpmFz-E
http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=PX00ZGY7Z8
Sufism, Pythagoreanism, Hermetism
Let’s not talk about how the esoteric wing of Islam, i.e. Sufism, was birthed and influenced by Pythagoreans and Hermetists making their way through Palestine. And those two (the Pythagorean and the Hermetist) are a product of Ancient Egyptian Religion.
That’s right, go ahead and knock down the structures that CREATED a portion of what is actually the only viable part of Islam that has any spiritual purchase.
Sincerely,
One ticked off Neoplatonist
Pyramids today …
Tomorrow … your house, your street, your church, your office, your car, your family, your friends, your movie theater, your concert hall, your TV station, your bank, your dog, your ham sandwich … if we don’t stop it, EVERYTHING we know will be destroyed by Islam. Call me paranoid, I don’t care. Just watch what it happening.
You mean..
The moon which was worshiped as a female godess in Egypt as Hathor?Whose symbols are some of those mentioned above?that wouldn’t have anything to do with it? Giving females ideas of equality… My sarcasm… Fails…again? -peace
Anti Christ
The coming of the anti christ has been foretold many times and now it has a name….Islam
The religion of peace and love is revealing itself as the religion of hate, murder and destruction
The Roman Catholic church did the same thing for the same reasons. How much priceless history has been destroyed in the name of religion?
Seriously, is there a dhimmi equivocator under every rock? Equivocating Christian stupidity/atrocities with Islamic stupidity/atrocities is utterly meaningless and does not lessen the current evils of Islam or make them more palatable. That was then. This is today. We ALL know that Christians did bad and stupid things. We are dealing with Islam now. Have you noticed?
I don’t believe …
In any of that anti-Christ, devil-dog movie stuff, but your second statement is fairly accurate except that it revealed itself 1,400 years ago.
No self-proclaimers …
Have the right to tear anything down. But, Muslims, in their self-appointed infinite arrogance and grandiosity believe that they have a right to do anything to anyone at any time. The Japanese and Nazis thought that also, and they were smart.
The one thing …
I can say about Muslims posting their comments is that their pathology is then there for the world to see. As much as I’d like to see pathogens like Anjem Choudary run over by one of those cute, red, double-decker buses, the more he spews his insanity, the more of a chance there is that people will wake up to the medieval utter wacko-ness of Islam. It’s just unfortunate that the bobble-heads can’t/don’t see it for the bullsh*t it actually is. But, free speech, I guess and maybe bobble-heads are people too.
OK, here’s the deal … People like Acharya, Sam Harris, Robert Spencer, Amil Amani, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and many, many, many others are writing articles, making videos, writing books, speaking, etc. about the [b]real[/b] threat of Islam. Some of these people would be considered right-wing, some left-wing, it’s not important. The one thing they have in common (No, it’s not getting rich off of their books) is that they’re all very educated, extremely intelligent and keenly observant of reality. In short, the information is there. Many of these people have essentially dedicated their lives to informing us. If there were one or two crazies out there proclaiming the threat of Islam, we [i]might[/i] be excused for overlooking them (and I stress [i]might[/i] because if you have eyes, ears and a brain, you are not excused from recognizing the threat of Islam). But, there are hundreds and they can’t all be “racist”, crazy, “Islamophobes”, bigoted, etc. I’ve been observing Islam closely since the 1972 Munich Olympics where/when Islam flashed its collective blood-lust pathology to the world in the most vile way. Things have only gotten worse since then and they’re not getting better. I politely suggest that we pay attention to these writers and speakers. Our lives, the lives of our children and grandchildren and everything we know depends on being informed of this threat. Start with simply reading the Muslim post associated with this article. Let the insanity of it soak into your brain and being so you can feel it. Then begin to clear your mind. We’re all in this together.
Wake up and stop the deception.
Come on now wake up. Everything is a business model. Islam is only a threat to the western banking system. That’s right western bankers are very afraid of Islam because Islam does not believe in usury and debt. How much debt does the USA currently owe to the bankers. You know the ones paid back with the working people’s taxes? You have already been conquered and enslaved and you don’t even see it. How sad.
Baloney. The banksters are happily jumping on the sharia banking bandwagon. Otherwise, Islam wouldn’t be making inroads everywhere.
Moreover, the lack of usury with Islamic banking is a fallacious ploy used to trick everyone into sharia finance ([url]http://www.shariahfinancewatch.org/blog/[/url]), which promotes Islamic supremacy and global domination.
Stop drinking the leftist Koolaid and supporting the world’s most misogynistic and violent cult.
egypt
i am more afraid what is going to happen to woman i egypt than the pyramids /
Can’t anyone just tell all those tin foil hat that Loki Killed Allah over a poker loss in 1763, so get over it!
Islam is mind poison …
Muslims are really little more than angry toddlers, possibly pubescents, throwing tantrums, destroying things and slaughtering people all over the Earth. When sick little children grow into big bodies and have 21st century weapons, we’re all in danger. If two Muslims were the last two people on Earth, they’d kill each other. Islam is mind poison, Islam is mind poison, Islam is mind poison.
buy those pyramids !
I think it is a good idea of those islamists to get rid of the pyramids . However i think it is better to relocate those monuments . Those barbarians will do anything for money so they can sell the pyramids and the content of the egyptian museum to europe and/or the U.S.A . a billion or two should be enough . It is from a technological point of view not so difficult to relocate the pyramids to Berlin or Amsterdam .
We will rebuild them and even cover them with marble , so their glory will shine for ever . Personally i hope Christies or Sotheby’s can auction the content of the egyptian museum . Just scatter all those artifacts around the world that is the best way to preserve them and protect them from those barbarians .
LOL, Peter, I guess you don’t realize that those pyramids go way deep down under ground every bit as far if not more so than they are tall. There are numerous tunnels to special chambers etc. There’s no way in hell to move them without ruining them.
So, no, it’s not a good idea for the Islamists to get rid of the pyramids. However, a fantastic idea would be for Egypt to get rid of all the muslims – now that I would support.
While we’re at it …
Let’s move the Himalayas too.
(Just f’ing with ya, please don’t whine)
I love Islam !
You are all lost souls !
islam is the final word of god to mankind !
Nothing before was true and nothing after will be true.
We are the ones and only ones !
All of you must die because of your ignorance and depravity !
You will all burn in allah hell, the grateful and merciful one, forever.
My sword is my love. My jealousy is my pride. And my hate is my gift to humankind.
Oh and by the way let all these women be treated the way they deserve : satan’s lover, sinners before the most holy one, shameful creatures, and please hide your face, your hair, your vagina, your breast. Your ass is ok, we do it ourselves between us
sick
First of all, ask your doctor to check for acute intermittent porphyria, wilson’s disease or any neurodegenerative disease. Have an MRI dude! If none, go see a shrink.
…Think outside of the box…
“Religion is not the opiate of the masses. Religion is the PLACEBO of the masses.”- Gregory House, season 5 unfaithful episode
Call a waaaaambulance for Anonymous …
Allah Hell? Is that different from Christian Hell or is it the same place? Do they serve chitterlings? I hope so. There is no Allah, there was no Mohammed, there is no Hell (except what you Muslims have created in your minds and are creating on this Earth), there is no Paradise (except this Earth). Put all the lipstick on your sordid pathology you want, Islam is still a pig and always will be. Sorry, pigs.
You’re obviously a schizophrenic screaming at yourself in the mirror. Please, take your meds. Now.
TO: Anonymous – I love Islam !
My sword is my love. My jealousy is my pride. And my hate is my gift to humankind.
Oh and by the way let all these women be treated the way they deserve : satan’s lover, sinners before the most holy one, shameful creatures, and please hide your face, your hair, your vagina, your breast. Your ass is ok, we do it ourselves between us.
1 YOUR SWORD IS YOUR LOVE? … Then put it in your a$$.
2 YOUR JELOUSY IS YOUR PRIDE? … It is your insecurity, and weakness as are all prideful things.
3 YOUR HATE IS YOUR GIFT TO HUMANITY? … Hate literally causes cancer, and heart disease, so enjoy your slow death. HUMANITY THANKS YOU FOR IT.
4 US WOMBED-MANS [b]WILL [/b]BE TREATED AS WE SHOULD… WE [b]WILL[/b] BE RESPECTED AS EQUALS TO THE WOMBED-LESS-MANS. THE PENIS IS ACTUALY A INSIDE OUT VAGINA. THE SEX OF THE OFFSPRING CREATED IS DETERMINED BY THE WOMBED-LESS-MAN. THE WOMBED-LESS-MANS’ X,Y CROMOSONE OF THE WINNING SPERM DETERMANS THE BABY’S SEX … SO MAYBE PEOPLE WHO VALUE PENIS OVER PU$$Y SHOULD NOT PROCREATE. CHEMICAL CASTRATION FOR ALL OF ALLAH’S BOYS. IT MUST REALLY BOTHER YOU THAT YOU ARIVED IN THIS WORLD VIA THE BEAUTIFUL INSIDE OUT PENIS… THE BIRTH CANAL… THE LOVE TUNNEL… THE VIAGINA… THE PU$$Y… DUDE MAN, I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU SURVIVED THAT THING… HA HA HA
PEACE BE ON YOU BROTHER… WE ARE ALL GOD’S CHILDREN… AND THAT MAKES ME YOUR EQUALY CREATED SISTER EVEN IF I DON’T LIKE YOU. HAVE A MOST BLESSED DAY…
OH WAIT MAYBE YOU SHOULD’NT READ THIS… I’M ON MY PERIOD RIGHT NOW… WOULDN’T THAT MAKE THIS WHOLE POST UNCLEAN? I’LL PRAY FOR YOUR EYES, AND SOUL. OH MAN, I DIDN’T REALLY WANT TO HURT ANYONE…
Anonymous,
Keep your love ,and your pride,and all your gifts to yourself!! Your love is tainted with the stench of death, your pride self destructive , and your gifts are useless ! And you treat the women you are born of like dirt but you are the dirty ones and should be thrown in the fire to burn away the ” taint” of you being born passing through your mothers vagina which has been with Satan. You rubbed all along that vagina, and I think some of satans “essence” has rubbed off on all of y’all . Mercy and forgiveness are not found to be the same meaning for radical Muslims as it is with the rest of the world.sombody translate a websters dictionary for Islam?- peace, Cause that’s what people want, again that was – peace( lol) :Pinch:
@Shane, PrayHard & Jonathan
Easy guys… that was 2nd degree. My last statement should have given you a clue !
Check “irony” in Webster. The art of telling what we want in the disguise of telling the opposite.
Plz don’t be so quick to ask to put someone on medication:-)
Well, so..
My statement is in my opinion a correct response since I’d assume that any inflamitory comments made either in satire or otherwise would recieve a response of the same. Notice I make no sense in the theological or scholarly repose, it is merely a likewise response to dribble. I could only wish the best for you and yours and me and mine, stop, drop, and roll if the heat is too much so you get back up again( ramble)- peace
@shane
Peace Shane,
I stated what Islam states : that Allah is the ultimate word to humankind. I did it in an ironic way. knowing i could be rightfuly misunderstood. I understand your comment. i just said “easy…” ; “it may not be what it seems to be”.
I was certainly not inflamatory in spirit. But yes i could look to have been.
Fact is that there is a ‘me myself and I’ group that stated in the 600’s or so in Arabia that every revelation before them has been tampered with, and that everything after them will be a lie …”me, I, myself, now, forever”.
And other groups stated the same before, and after.
It is said that twin American and French revolutions, once their true spirit clearly understood, rebelled against ego pretending to speak in the name of god.
Peace Shane
Love
&Thank you for your wisdom
Give me a break !!!
We, people of the United States of American, just went into Iraq and destroyed antiquities. What was not destroyed we stole. And before that Christians went into Central and South America and destroyed entire cities there and their antiquities. We said it was because they were barbarians. But it was actually about gold. Now it’s oil. It never ends. Just read history books. Nothing has ever changed and it probably never will…………
Sorry, but I never went into Iraq or Afghanistan for any reason, and I am also “We the People.” I haven’t stolen any antiquities. Perhaps you are speaking for yourself? I personally have been [i]against [/i]the incursions into these countries and am horrified by the destruction not only by the U.S. troops but also by the Islamists, including the Taliban in Afghanistan who destroyed thousands of sites and artifacts themselves.
In the meantime, back to the subject at hand, we must not allow the destruction of the pyramids to occur. As they say, two wrongs do not make a right.
Quote from Anon above: “We, people of the United States of American, just went into Iraq and destroyed antiquities. What was not destroyed we stole.”
Oh really? Who is this “we” you’re referring to because your comment is a damn lie. “We” did not purposely destroy or steal antiquities in Iraq – MUSLIMS DID!
“before that Christians went into Central and South America and destroyed entire cities there and their antiquities.”
This is true but, again, that’s not “we” that’s CHRISTIANS and it’s a huge broad stroke generalization to assume that all Americans are Christians when the largest minority of them all are the non-religious ([url]http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=391[/url]).
It was British archeologists, quite possibly Christians themselves, or at the very least heavily influenced by the Christian societies in which they lived, that dug the pyramids and the sphinx out of the dirt. It was a Muslim that blew off its nose. Any architectural monuments destroyed in the conquering of the Americas would have been casualties of war and not blatant attempts to wipe out non-Christian relics. The great Machu Picchu is still standing, as are the Mayan pyramids and the great ruins of the Aztec peoples.
Western Civilization has been dominated and largely created by Christians for over 2000 years. Most Westerners, Christians included, appreciate non-Christian relics, which is why museums containing many such items are prolific in our societies.
People have a habit of bringing up the Crusades often. Islamists had been attacking Europe and the European peoples since the year 700. They occupied and enslaved the continent of Spain for approximately 700 years. The first Crusade went out in the year 1000.
Were Europeans supposed to sit by idly as their continent was terrorized, their people destroyed, and their lands taken from them?
From most of the comments I’ve read and heard over the years, I gather that people wish that that was so.
The fact is, Europeans wouldn’t be in the Americas if it weren’t for Muslims. The traditional trade routes their ancestors had take through the Middle East to get to places such as China and India, were under constant attack by the followers of Islam. Rather than do nothing they built ships and went out searching for new trade routes. Hence they ended up in the Americas. Native Americans can thank Muslims for that. Black Africans wouldn’t be in the Americas either, so they can thank Islam as well.
Well said S, of course, there were some cities and antiquities that were destroyed by Christians throughout the Americas – they simply couldn’t get to them all at the time. All of the Maya codecies were destroyed except 4. It’s also why we really know so little about them too. So, we can certainly thank Christians for that. Christians wiped out the Native American Indians too.
However, you’re right about the crusades and muslims etc.
Why did they hate us in 1783? ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUuH2G7dPFk[/url])
Three Things About Islam ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w[/url])
The destruction of the pyramids story is a hoax. It is a tale designed to undermine the new government in Egypt that is struggling against the American bankrolled generals in the Egyptian military.
Look into your heart and ask yourself why you were so easily taken in by this propaganda. Ask yourself why with only a slight nudge you can be coached into making hateful comments against Egyptian Muslims – people you never met and never bothered to learn much about. Not all Muslims think and behave like the fundamentalist extremists in Afghanistan who destroyed the Buddhist statues. Egypt is a different culture.
Offensive
Islamists are complaining about the universal disgust they engender?
Oh, yes. Their threats and destructive action is how they continue. There’s always filth on the bottom to feed on, thus their success. We must understand that their founder — Mohammed and his gang of murdering thugs — were cruel assassins, not steeped in our historical traditions. They left behind a pathetic legacy, not one open to the world’s beauty or values. We are amazed at their ignorance. We value a beautiful antique Japanese vase, for instance. But all they see is something to smash on their way to threaten, dominate or kill the helpless. We can only lament their blindness and deep fear of their cruel and merciless Allah, and hold them in the deepest contempt.
Or, we can do it the Special Forces way and take out the garbage.
Guinta
What… Are You Serious!!
it truly is a disgrace,and now we see the true enemies. trying to wipe the truth out, to replace it with a lie. They ruined the Ka-ba Temple And put up a mosque. Blacks are the true children of isreal, not these fake posers. They have already caused to much pain and suffering, they must go. In the bible it states that God has come to finish the work he started of old. in my spirit i feel him speaking of the pyramids. the Egyptians placed the pyramids all in the right places. they alligned them with the stars, not just for looks. but to amplify the earths energy and magnify it into the stars. It balances the universe. i read that they wanted to coat it with wax… if you think about it, why would you do that? its because there is something being outputed, and they believe that would stop it.They know the truth but continue to hide it from the masses, they are foolish, as well as there religion.
Life
Almighty God is real. He created all things for His pleasure. Not seeing His face, I’ve had a personal vision that He is real and sits on a Great Throne in the unseen Heavens. Here is your 100% proof that He is real:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QtjEBcZR6M
The great pyramid is symbolic of God’s Holy Mountain. It would not be wise to destroy it. This is documented in both the old and new testament.
Free thought nation???
This site censors comments and does not post anything that points out its mistakes or false beliefs. What a crock!! So an atheist site that seems bent on pagan beliefs. How would you explain its defense of pagan structures. Give me a break!
What utter nonsense. None of what you have said is true.
Do you think you’re the first person on the internet to try such juvenile and fallacious tactics?
Try screaming “CENSORSHIP!!” next time. It’s the mark of a true intellect.
Why you cannot believe the hatemongering in the me
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/24/world/middleeast/in-egypt-rumor-of-pyramids-demise-proves-flimsy.html?_r=1
Here’s is what the NY Times says about the above rumor. That’s right a rumor!!!
The New York Times
July 23, 2012
Contrary to Gossip, Pyramids Have No Date With the Wrecking Ball
By ROD NORDLAND and MAYY EL SHEIKH
CAIRO — What’s this? Egypt’s new Islamist leaders want to raze the Great Pyramids, scratch away the images on the death masks of the pharaohs, maybe even wipe the grin off what is left of the face of the Sphinx?
Someone who reads a lot of right-wing blogs in the United States these days might be forgiven for thinking so, though there is no sign here that any such Islamist clamor to destroy the monuments of ancient Egypt has actually arisen.
The fear that it has, though, is a textbook example of how a rumor, especially about a place as tumultuous as Egypt these days, can take on a life of its own — fed by a kernel of fact, a dash of Twitter, and a convenient coincidence or two.
The claim that radical Islamists had, in the name of the Muslim aversion to artifacts of paganism, asked President Mohamed Morsi to have the pyramids torn down apparently began with a June 30 item in Rose el-Youssef, an Egyptian magazine that for years was a mouthpiece for Hosni Mubarak, Mr. Morsi’s ousted predecessor.
The magazine quoted a prominent Bahraini sheik, Abdellatif al-Mahmoud, as demanding in a Twitter posting on June 24 that Mr. Morsi “accomplish what the Sahabi Amir bin al-As could not” and destroy the “idolatrous” pyramids. The allusion was to a companion of the Prophet Muhammad who went on to conquer Egypt, although scholars of Islam say he never even tried to take down the pyramids.
By July 12, someone claiming to be the Bahraini sheik had repudiated the Twitter posting as a hoax, saying that a faked screen shot had been published to make it look as if the sheik had posted the message. “This tweet hasn’t been written by me, and the traitors have fabricated it through Photoshop to distort my image,” said Sheik Mahmoud — or at least, said the user @amahmood2011 professing to be Sheik Mahmoud.
However, if @amahmood2011 really is Bahrain’s leading Sunni cleric, some of his Twitter postings are a bit peculiar, like the one suggesting that he had seen the Prophet in a dream and was given permission to shake women’s hands.
The biographical description accompanying that Twitter feed notes, in Arabic, that it is the sheik’s “Official Barody Account,” which sounds like a faulty transliteration of the English word parody.
The real Sheik Mahmoud could not be reached for comment.
None of that nebulous sourcing did anything to tamp down the steam sizzling from online reports that began appearing this month, most of them quoting one another rather than an original source, warning that the Islamists wanted to finally finish the job that the Islamic conqueror of Egypt had started (although he hadn’t), and that President Morsi was doing nothing about it (which he wasn’t).
“The things Americans say show us they are crazy,” Abdel Halim Nur el-Din, an Egyptian professor of antiquities and former chairman of the country’s Supreme Council of Antiquities, said in an interview.
One posting on a blog called American Thinker said, “It should surprise no one that the fanatics want to blow up 5,500-year-old monuments to the genius of man,” thus introducing high explosives into the narrative.
The magazine Commentary was more restrained, but worried, “That such a fringe and wacky idea gains any voice in Arabic media or on Islamist Web sites should be cause for concern, given precedent.”
The obvious antecedent was the recent destruction of ancient monuments in Timbuktu by extremist Islamists who had taken over northern Mali and deemed them un-Islamic. The Taliban’s destruction in 2001 of 1,500-year-old statues of the Buddha carved into a cliff in central Afghanistan was also brought to mind. But for the most part, the pyramid story gained traction only in a relatively few outlets.
There was an Egyptian television talk show that mentioned it, but only to denounce a Saudi sheik, Ali Al Rabieei, who had been quoted in an early report as a would-be destroyer of pyramids. The sheik not only repudiated the remarks attributed to him, but also offered a reward to anyone who could tell him who had made the remarks in his name, using what he said were two phony Twitter accounts.
“These stories are cheap acts aimed at hurting Egypt and its image, and Mr. Morsi as well,” said Mr. Nur el-Din, the antiquities professor. He said Mr. Morsi had reassured Egypt’s tourism officials that the country’s antiquities were in no danger from the new government.
Still, the flames were fanned by intemperate statements from some Salafis, as Egypt’s hard-line Islamists are called. The Salafis have shown considerable political muscle: their presidential candidate won 25 percent of the vote in the first round, and then they backed Mr. Morsi, the candidate supported by the Muslim Brotherhood, in the runoff. They are much more conservative in their views than the Brotherhood, and scorn all works of art representing the human form because such works suggest an alternative to the perfection of God.
In January 2011, the spokesman for the Salafi Preaching Movement, Sheik Abdel Moneim el-Shahat, said the question of Egypt’s antiquities was simply a theological problem, and he suggested a compromise: Cover the heads of ancient Egyptian statues in wax. This would leave them visible, but would technically “obliterate” the faces. “I’ll do something that combines religious adherence and leaving antiquities as historic monuments,” he said on a television program.
Then last August, Sheik Shahat was asked to explain the difference between his plan and the Taliban’s destruction of the ancient Buddhas, which he pointedly refrained from criticizing.
“The Taliban was in power at the time,” he said, whereas the Salafis in Egypt are not. A video of that exchange was posted on YouTube.
Younis Makhyon, a senior member of the Salafi Nour Party, said that no one from the group had ever suggested pyramidicide. “These allegations have no foundation whatsoever and no basis in reality,” Mr. Makhyon said. “They are part of an attempt to turn Islamists into scarecrows and frighten the world about them.”
On July 20, the story gained life with a commentary on Newsday’s Web site by Joel Brinkley, a professor at Stanford University and a former correspondent for The New York Times.
“Morsi has been Egypt’s president for less than a month, and already senior clerics in his country and around the Islamic world are loudly calling for the demolition of the pyramids,” Mr. Brinkley wrote.
“Morsi has had nothing to say about this, not a word,” he added.
Ahmed Sobeai, a spokesman for the Freedom and Justice Party, the Muslim Brotherhood’s political party, responded, “Dr. Morsi cannot respond to something that hasn’t happened.” Mr. Sobeai called the whole affair “an attempt to fabricate a crisis from an illusion.”
The pyramids, he said, are safe.
This leftist hooey has been addressed here:
Huffington Post, MSM Facilitate Destruction of Egypt’s Pyramids ([url]http://www.raymondibrahim.com/12037/huffington-post-msm-facilitate-destruction[/url])
Islamic terrorism? You got bigger things to worry
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/colorado-shooter-was-camp-counselor-for-jewish-big-brothers-and-sisters/2012/07/21/
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Colorado Shooter Was Camp Counselor for Jewish Big Brothers and Sisters
By: Tibbi Singer
Published: July 21st, 2012
Latest update: July 23rd, 2012
An undated handout photo released by the University of Colorado shows James Holmes, reportedly the shooter at a theater in Aurora, Colorado.
An undated handout photo released by the University of Colorado shows James Holmes, reportedly the shooter at a theater in Aurora, Colorado.
James Holmes, the Colorado graduate student who is suspected of killing 12 moviegoers and wounding 58 others on Friday during the premiere of “The Dark Knight Rises,” worked as a camp counselor in Los Angeles County in 2008 that was run by Jewish Big Brothers and Sisters (JBBBS), the group’s CEO told NBC4 on Saturday.
James Holmes, 24, worked as cabin counselor at Camp Max Straus in the summer of 2008, according to Randy Schwab, the CEO of Jewish Big Brothers Big Sisters.
Schwab’s statement read: “It is with shock and sorrow that we learned of the incident in Aurora. Our hearts and prayers go out to all the families and friends of those involved in this horrible tragedy. On behalf of Camp Max Straus I want to offer our deepest sympathies and condolences.”
Schwab said that, as cabin counselor, Holmes was in charge of the care and guidance of about 10 children. His role was to ensure that the children had a “wonderful camp experience.”
According to Schwab, Holmes helped the children in his care “learn confidence, self esteem and how to work in small teams to effect positive outcomes.”
His statement continued: “These skills are learned through activities such as archery, horseback riding, swimming, art, sports and high ropes course.”
Camp Max Straus is a nonsectarian program for children ages 7-14, which is run by Jewish Big Brothers and Big Sisters of Los Angeles.
Holmes is not Jewish.
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While abominable and heinous, that single act does not compare to the ongoing terrorism inculcated by cultic texts followed by some 1.5 billion people worldwide.
The Religion of Peace ([url]http://thereligionofpeace.com/[/url])
19,000+ Islamic terrorist acts in the past decade alone. At least 270 million people dead in the name of Islam ([url]http://www.politicalislam.com/tears/pages/tears-of-jihad/[/url]) over the past 1,400 years.
No comparison.
Religion of Peace
I’m shocked why I’m shocked. There is no reason in islam
Its the extreme Salafis/Wahabis not moderate Musli
Ppl , pl the recent destruction of shrines historical Islamic heritage was perpetrated by the Saudis supporting groups ie the Salafis/Wahabis, ordinary Muslims like the Sunnis, Shias, Sufis revere the shrines, but these barbaric idiots just do not like to see them… this is cultural genocide
In the name of the almighty, these pagan idols, monuments to sin, must be ground to dust so that the breath of G-D can blow them into the sea. ALLAH SNACKBAR!