Below is a link to McGrath making all sorts of excuses to refuse to allow mythicism in academia:
Mythicism and the Mainstream: The Rhetoric and Realities of Academic Freedom by James McGrath
Be sure to give the comments a going over. You'll see comments from Dr. Robert Price and Neil Godfrey. Post a comment yourself if you want ... perhaps a link to this thread.
McGrath is desperate to keep mythicism out of academia to protect Christianity and his little baby Jesus and he'll invent any excuse to meet those ends.
On the other hand, a major problem with some like Carrier and Godfrey is that they're far more interested in the "methodology and peer review
" than they are the actual primary sources and other credible evidence, which puts them in a position where they 'can't see the forest for the trees
If you're paying close attention you'll notice Carrier and Godfrey's cult like worship of methodology and peer review and their constant attempt to bludgeon Acharya with them, meanwhile, elsewhere they admit that there are a great many problems with ... yep, you guested it, methodology and peer review!
Neil Godfrey's blog:
If Peer-Review Does Not Work for Science Why Does It Work for Biblical Studies?
"The editors of the ACP Journal Club find that less than 1% of studies in most journals are “both scientifically sound and important for clinicians”.
We have little or no evidence that peer review ‘works,’ but we have lots of evidence of its downside.
Peer-review does not detect errors. Again numerous studies have demonstrated this. Papers have certain errors deliberately inserted into them (mixes of major and minor) and are then sent to peer review, and the rate of detection of those errors is so often very, very low indeed."
Speaking on methodology Carrier recently stated on 4-26-14 on the "Geek’s Guide to the Universe" podcast episode 108 on Noah:
Carrier at 1:43:50: "Well part of my project for the 'Historicity of Jesus' was I realized that the methodology in Jesus studies is hosed basically and I'm not the only one to notice this. Many scholars in the field have pointed out that the methodologies that have been used to study Jesus are hopelessly flawed."
Carrier at 1:45:55: "I have like 50 pages in my book 'Proving History' on why the 'criterion of embarrassment' is logically fallacious and does not work in Jesus studies at all."
For Christ sakes, in his own article even McGrath concedes the following:
"Peer review is not intended to assess the correctness of conclusions, merely that appropriate methods are being used and scholarly norms of rigor and argumentation being followed."
- James F. McGrath
Three myths about scientific peer reviewhttp://michaelnielsen.org/blog/three-my ... er-review/
Peer Review and Biblical Studies Scholarshiphttp://larryhurtado.wordpress.com/2013/ ... holarship/
McGrath's blogOn Methods and Methodology by AcharyaAddressing Neil Godfrey on methodologyAcharya S: Peer Review and Scholarly Journal PublicationsHistorians vs Classicists
Just a couple of thoughts:
Muslim academics teach that Jesus is a mere prophet. They work hard to keep Christian views out of their universities in some Muslim-dominant countries and areas. These scholars engage in a blatant bias towards Islamic doctrine - are we supposed to accept these beliefs because they've managed to monopolize the field?
The same can be said of Christian universities and colleges - of course they will work actively to keep mythicism out. That fact, however, only proves their bias, not that they are correct."
A significant point apparently needs to be esssssplained on the differences between historians and classicists. Richard Carrier appears to believe that everybody needs to present a "Historian" case exactly the same way he does. Carrier has arrogantly claimed on video in a lecture that he is the ONLY mythicist anybody should listen to
What Carrier, Neil Godfrey and company don't seem to understand is that the study of Classics
INCLUDES the study of mythology. Acharya had to read Homer's Iliad and the Odyssey in their original ancient Homeric Greek language as a part of her curriculum, which are full of mythology for those who don't know.
Despite what Carrier and Godfrey claim, Acharya does in fact follow the necessary methodology from her training in Classics and if Carrier or Godfrey ever actually read her books they'd realize that fact. It's funny to see Carrier fanboy, Rook Hawkins/Tom Vern
, pursue the EXACT same education that Acharya already had when Tom was born, yet, he consistently smears her while also never having actually studied her work. The utter intellectual dishonesty from this gang is out of control.
If Joseph Campbell
were alive today Carrier and Godfrey would probably attack him for his methods/peer review and lack of Ph.D., which he refused specifically because he felt it would hold him back from pursuing his interests in mythology. Hell-O!!!
We mythicists did not come this far just to be discriminate against by other mythicists. Acharya S/D.M. Murdock has never done a damned thing to Neil Godfrey or Richard Carrier beyond exposing his sloppy and egregious errors in his intellectually dishonest tirades against her. I'm reminded of Acharya's review of "Jesus: God, Man or Myth?" by Herb Cutner
"...the mythicist school was fought tooth and nail, and almost buried, save for the few daring individuals who kept it alive over the past decades. Cutner is one of these rare and courageous individuals who risked the malevolence and vitriol of the clergy and its zealots. In his synopsis of the historical-versus-mythical, Cutner notes that the clergy's "adversaries" were dispatched in the most unprofessional and puerile manner:
"Long ago the celebrated Dr. Bentley, in trying to dispose of Anthony Collins, had found one very fine method: convict your Freethinking opponent of fraud, ignorance, and bad scholarship, and his thesis falls to the ground. I should say rather, try to convict your opponent by this method, for some of the mud thrown is sure to stick.... By thus concentrating on mistakes of grammar or Greek, the reader is unwarily led away from the main issue which is exactly what the critic wants. Over and over again Christian controversialists have pursued this method, as if it always mattered greatly that a present tense of Greek should be the imperfect, or that a date should be conjectured as, let us say, 1702 when it ought to be 1712 in the opinion of somebody else. (27-28)"
"Indeed, there is hardly a mythicist who has not experienced such treatment, even at the hands of other mythicists and/or freethinkers, another fact highlighted by Cutner, who shows that the early modern mythicists were viciously attacked not only by Christians but also by other "rationalists" and "freethinkers" who, in their attempts to remain 'respectable' with the Christian elite, mindlessly fell in line and displayed a real lack of critical thinking. Professional jealousy also factors into this type of vitriol, as various scholars want their particular interpretation to become that which is accepted by the establishment....."
Scholars and others who've actually read Acharya's books are quite supportive of her work. For example:
"I find it undeniable that many of the epic heroes and ancient patriarchs and matriarchs of the Old Testament were personified stars, planets, and constellations."
"I find myself in full agreement with Acharya S/D.M. Murdock"
- Dr. Robert Price, Biblical Scholar with two Ph.D'shttp://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/ ... _egypt.htm
"Your scholarship is relentless! ...the research conducted by D.M. Murdock concerning the myth of Jesus Christ is certainly both valuable and worthy of consideration."
- Dr. Kenneth L. Feder, Professor of Archaeology, Central Connecticut State University, Frauds, Myths, and Mysteries: Science and Pseudoscience In Archaeology
"I can recommend your work whole-heartedly!"
- Dr. Robert Eisenman, James the Brother of Jesus and The New Testament Code, RobertEisenman.com
"I've known people with triple Ph.D's who haven't come close to the scholarship in Who Was Jesus?"
- Pastor David Bruce, M.Div, North Park Seminary, Chicago, HollywoodJesus.com
"Thirty years ago, when in divinity school, I might have had second thoughts about becoming an Episcopal priest if a book like D.M. Murdock's 'Who Was Jesus?' had been available to me."
- Bob Semes, Retired university professor of History and Religion, Founder and Executive Director of The Jefferson Center
"...I have found her scholarship, research, knowledge of the original languages, and creative linkages to be breathtaking and highly stimulating."
- Rev. Dr. Jon Burnham, Pastor, Presbyterian Church, Houston, TX
"Acharya S has done a superb job in bringing together the rich panoply of ancient world mythology and culture, and presenting it in a comprehensive and compelling fashion."
- Earl Doherty, The Jesus Puzzle
"The Christ Conspiracy—very, very scholarly and wholly researched—is a book for today..."
- Rev. B. Strauss, ex-Catholic Priest, Chicago, IL