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A majority of Americans claim they would not vote even for a well-qualified atheist for president. More recently, a 2006 study at the University of Minnesota showed atheists to be the most mistrusted minority among Americans.

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"Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in 'sharing their vision of American society.' Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to marry."

- Study: Atheists Most Discriminated Minority

Study: Atheists Most Discriminated Minority

Discrimination of the Atheist

Blog: Nonbelievers in religion persecuted, executed worldwide under barbaric blasphemy laws

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Discrimination against atheists

Blatant discrimination against non-believers throughout the bible:

They should be killed.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10 "If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die."

Believe in Jesus or be condemned

John 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

1 John 4:2-3 Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God.

They are all considered anti-christs!:

2 John 7: "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, men who will not acknowledge the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

Why the need for the Epistles of John to claim that those who don't believe in Jesus are not of God or that they are "deceivers" and "antichrists"? That's just plain old fashioned discrimination and a tactic used to force submission and turn everybody else into 2nd class citizens. If Jesus really existed there would be no need for any such discrimination. Shouldn't people, especially Christians, be asking, "Who were those people who "confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh" and why?

The burning of unbelievers during the Inquisition was based on the words of Jesus:

John 15:6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

They are without God:

2 John 9 "Whosoever ... abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God."

Psalm 14:1 and 53:1: "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no god.' They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none that does good.

They should be shunned. Neither marry nor be friends with them.

2 Corinthians 6:14-17 "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? ... Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord."

Revelation 20:15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

No Democracy in the Bible

Isn't it interesting that there exists no democracy in the bible? The god of the bible is certainly no moderate either.

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"...Nowhere in Scripture will you find an acknowledgment that each individual has an "inalienable right" to be treated with fairness and respect, or that "We, the People" are capable of governing ourselves. There is no democracy in the "word of God." In the bible, humans are "worms" and "sinners" deserving damnation, "slaves" who should humbly submit to all kings, heavenly and earthly."

"American laws are based on a secular constitution, not the bible. Any scriptures that might support a good law do so only because they have met the test of human values, which long predate the ineffective Ten Commandments."

"The God of Scripture slaughtered entire groups of people that offended his vanity, ordering young virgins to be kept alive as war booty for his priests (Numbers 31). "Happy shall be he that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones," he advised (Psalm 137:9), threatening those with the wrong religion that "their women with child shall be ripped up" (Hosea 13:16), sending bears to attack 42 children who teased a prophet (II Kings 2:23-24), punishing innocent offspring to the fourth generation (Exodus 20:5), discriminating against the handicapped (Leviticus 21:18-23), promising that fathers and sons would eat each other (Ezekiel 5:10), and much more that we would find repugnant in a human being. In this theistic universe, morality is severed from reality and reduced to flattering the Sovereign."

- From a former Pastor of 20 years: How Can an Atheist Be Moral? For Goodness Sake

The Effects of Biblical Discrimination to this Day

"No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God."
- George H.W. Bush, when he was candidate for president

"Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land - for Jesus Christ - to have dominion in civil structures, just as in every other aspect life & godliness. It is dominion we're after not just a voice. It is dominion we're after not just influence. It is dominion we're after not just equal time. It is dominion we're after. World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to do."
- George Grant, "changing of the guard" pg 50-51

"Our goal, as Christians, is to dominate society"
- Pat Robertson

"Christianity & Democracy are inevitably enemies"
- R.J. Rushdoony "Independent Republic" pg 122, 1964

"The church should be a disciplined charging army. Christians, like slaves and solders ask no questions. We are fighting a holy war."
- Jerry Falwell

"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in short, over every aspect and institution of human society."
- D. James Kennedy

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"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ... We need believing people."

- Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of 1933.

State Constitutions:

Some States' Constitutions in the US used to attempt a religious test as a qualification for holding public office. The provision has been unenforceable since the 1961 Supreme Court decision in Torcaso v. Watkins, which prohibited such bans:

The Bill of Rights of the Texas Constitution (Article I, Section 4) last amended on September 13, 2003 states that an official may be "excluded from holding office" if she/he does not "acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being."

North Carolina's Constitution, Article 6 Sec. 8 states "Disqualifications of office. The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God...."

South Carolina's Constitution, Article 6 Section 2: "Person denying existence of Supreme Being not to hold office. No person who denies the existence of the Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution."

Tennessee's Bill of Rights: Article 9, Section 2: "No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state."

It's all the Abrahamic Religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam)

Islam Reality

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Geert Wilders's "Fitna: The Movie"

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The Truth about Judaeo-Christianity

There can be no freedom of religion without the freedom FROM religion.

"When you consider that God could have commanded anything he wanted--anything!--the Ten [Commandments] have got to rank as one of the great missed moral opportunities of all time. How different history would have been had he clearly and unmistakably forbidden war, tyranny, taking over other people’s countries, slavery, exploitation of workers, cruelty to children, wife-beating, stoning, treating women--or anyone--as chattel or inferior beings."
- Katha Pollitt

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Why do Atheists care about Religion?


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"There has been a very definite determined government effort to turn us into a Christian nation with a civil religion and in return religion got money, power, special favors..."
- Madalyn Murray O'Hair

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"Religious freedom is one thing,” says Joan Bokaer, director of TheocracyWatch, a project of the Center for Religion, Ethics, and Social Policy (CRESP) at Cornell University. “But religious extremism is something completely different. What people aren’t aware of is just how deeply the radical religious right has penetrated our government—in all three branches. We really are very close to becoming a theocracy. People have reason to be worried."

- Summit Looks at the Radical Religious Right

Enjoy these must see videos:

1. "Life and Liberty for All Who Believe"
2. "Dominion Theology"
3. "The Rise of Dominionism"
http://www.theocracywatch.org/audio-video.htm

1. Life and Liberty for All Who Believe


2. Theocracy Watch: Dominion Theology part 1 of 5


3. The Rise of Dominionism


I like Frank Schaeffer - he is a straight shooter all the way. At least from what I see in these videos clips of interviews. Keep in mind he's an evangelical with strong ties in politics. He may still be a Christian but, he exposes the Religious Right like nobody's business:

Frank Schaeffer Author of "Crazy for God"


Frank Schaeffer Blasts The GOP


Frank Schaeffer - Interview on The Rachel Maddow Show


Frank Schaeffer on Democracy Now! Part 1


Frank Schaeffer on Democracy Now! Part 2


Skip to 3 minutes:


Frank Schaeffer and Theocracy


http://www.frankschaeffer.com

Geeez, I wish a guy like this had been around when I was a young Evangelical many moons ago.

"God Bless America" - response to pass around

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RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION IN U.S. STATE CONSTITUTIONS:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/texas.htm

Find your State Constitution here - http://www.constitution.org/cons/usstcons.htm

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"New Congress Brings With It Religious Firsts" article ...

WASHINGTON -- The new Congress will, for the first time, include a Muslim, two Buddhists, more Jews than Episcopalians, and the highest-ranking Mormon in congressional history.

But perhaps the most underrepresented group in Congress is the 14 percent of all American adults who, according to the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey, conducted by scholars at the Graduate Center at the City University of New York, claim no religion at all.

Only six members of Congress, all Democrats, identify themselves as religiously unaffiliated: Reps. John Tierney and John Olver of Massachusetts, Earl Blumenauer of Oregon, Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii, Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin and Mark Udall of Colorado.

The complete article - http://www.beliefnet.com/story/206/story_20609_1.html

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I am so stoked that we FINALLY have our very own Washington-based lobbying organization for atheists etc.

"The Secular Coalition for America is the new Washington-based lobbying organization for atheists, humanists, freethinkers, and other nontheistic Americans. Our mission is to increase the visibility and respectability of nontheistic viewpoints in the United States and to protect and strengthen the secular character of our government as the best guarantee of freedom for all."

http://www.secular.org/

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Ad Questioning Candidate's Faith Jolts Alabama Governor Contest

"A mysterious ad that accuses a candidate for governor in Alabama of supporting the theory of evolution and questioning the Bible has triggered a dizzying and nasty shouting match in the state's hotly contested Republican primary race......"



Alabama State Constitution

Alabama 1901, Preamble. "We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution..."

Section 1:
That all men are equally free and independent; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Section 186, witness oath:
"... so help me God."

Section 279, oath of office:
"So help me God."

God in the State Constitutions

Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution states:

"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

The free exercise clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution states:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

The 14th Amendment to the Constitution, proclaimed adopted on 1868-JUL-21, states:

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States."

A U.S. Supreme Court case Torcaso v Watkins in 1961 - This ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court presumably makes all of the religious tests for office in the various states unconstitutional.

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"A U.S. Supreme Court case Torcaso v Watkins in 1961 - This ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court presumably makes all of the religious tests for office in the various states unconstitutional."

LOL. I thought the Constitution itself made religious tests for office unconstitutional.

Article 6, Section 3:

"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but NO religious Test shall EVER be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

Our founders weren't Christians; They believed in an (unspecified) God, but nothing more can be plausibly asserted.

But if one's goals include theonomy (look up Rousas John Rushdoony, Gary North, Jay Grimstead for more on this), then a precedent must be claimed or people won't put up with it. It is in this context that the "Christian Nation" claim arose. See other posts by "Serivolk77" for more on the book "This Independent Republic: Studies in the Nature of the American System", I swear it's like reading David Barton...in the 1960s (published 1964).
I have a an old history textbook that was used in Catholic schools in the 1940s (it reads like a Middle School level textbook.) It does not claim the founders were Christian. This claim is newer than the 1940s for sure.


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Godlessness is the last big taboo in the US, where non-believers face discrimination and isolation

Atheism in America

Can the US Army embrace atheists?

Atheists, agnostics most knowledgeable about religion, survey says

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"Atheism is a religion just like Off is a channel on the TV"

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"Not only is atheism not a religion, it's not even my hobby. And that's the great thing about being an atheist -- it requires so little of your time....

There is a growing trend in this country that needs to be called out, and that is to label any evidence-based belief a "religion." Many conservatives now say that a belief in man-made climate change is a "religion," and Darwinism is a "religion," and of course atheism -- the total lack of religion -- is somehow a "religion" too, according to the always reliable Encyclopedia Moronica. "Atheism Is a Religion Like Abstinence Is a Sex Position"
- Bill Maher

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Why Atheists Laugh at Religion

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Blog: Nonbelievers in religion persecuted, executed worldwide under barbaric blasphemy laws

Report: Atheists Suffer Persecution

Proper Definition & Meaning of 'Atheist'

Religiosity Declines Worldwide

The ARIS Study: Christianity On The Decline In America

Christianity on the decline

Why Is Christianity on the Decline in America?

31% Of Adults Under 30 Doubt God Exists - More Young Americans Doubt God Exists Than Ever Before

"The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public – and a third of adults under 30 – are religiously unaffiliated today, the highest percentages ever in Pew Research Center polling."

Young Americans Losing Faith? New Poll Shows 31 Percent Of Adults Under 30 Doubt God Exists

Why Young People Are Becoming Secular

American Confidence In Organized Religion At All Time Low

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Atheism on the rise around the globe

"According to a new poll, religiosity worldwide is declining while more people say they are atheists. In the United States, a growing number consider themselves non-believers....."

- Christian Science Monitor

Atheism On The Rise In America:

Atheism Rises, Religiosity Declines In America

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The Great Decline: 61 years of religiosity in one graph, 2013 hits a new low:

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Some good news for a change:

From the Secular Coalition for America:

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"The Pew Forum for Religion and Public Life recently released a new study that found that nearly 20 percent of Americans are religiously unaffiliated or "nones"."

- A Nation of "Nones"

U.S. politicians increasingly unaffiliated with organized religion

'No Religion' Is World's Third-Largest Religious Group After Christians, Muslims According To Pew Study

On religion, Capitol freshmen are more diverse than their incumbent colleagues

Perhaps the rise of the "nones" will be more open to the mythicist position?:

Why I Am a Mythicist

The Mythicist Position

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We have not had a Freethinker on the Supreme Court since 1877 - 136 years ago = SHAMEFUL! Nominated by Abraham Lincoln, Justice David Davis "is the only judge of the Supreme Court with no recorded affiliation to any religious sect" (Wiki). Justice Davis served for 14 years from 1862-1877.

The time has come to truly represent "WE THE PEOPLE" of America with a freethinker on the Supreme Court bench to represent the largest minority of them all - 20% thus far in 2013.

The largest minority in America!!!!!!!


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"Justice David Davis was a life-long friend and associate of Mr. Lincoln, and Judge Davis knew Lincoln's religious opinions and knew Lincoln as well as anybody did. Judge Davis told me that Lincoln was a Freethinker, that he denied the inspiration of the Bible, the divinity of Christ, and all miracles. Davis also told me that he had talked with Lincoln on these subjects hundreds of times."

- Robert Ingersoll 1833-1899

Time for an atheist on the Supreme Court?

* Update 11/08/2013: Did A Supreme Court Justice Just Admit To Being An Atheist?

I've also posted this information in the church/state thread.

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Thanks alot "free" thnk 22
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U.N. told atheists face discrimination around globe

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"(Reuters) - Atheists, humanists and freethinkers face widespread discrimination around the world with expression of their views criminalized and subject in some countries to capital punishment, the United Nations was told on Monday.

In a document for consideration by the world body's Human Rights Council, a global organization linking people who reject religion said atheism was banned by law in a number of states where people were forced to officially adopt a faith.

"Extensive discrimination by governments against atheists, humanists and the non-religious occurs worldwide," declared the grouping, the International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU) which has some 120 member bodies in 45 countries.

In Afghanistan, Iran, Maldives, Mauritania, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Sudan "atheists can face the death penalty on the grounds of their belief" although this was in violation of U.N. human rights accords, the IHEU said.

Further, in several others legal measures "effectively criminalize atheism (and) the expression and manifestation of atheist beliefs" or lead to systematic discrimination against freethinkers, the document declared.

It was submitted to the rights council as it opened its annual Spring session against a background of new efforts in the U.N. by Muslim countries to obtain a world ban on denigration of religion, especially what they call "Islamophobia".

Three of the states with legislation providing for death for blasphemy against Islam, a charge which can be applied to atheists who publicly reveal their ideas, are on the council - Pakistan, Mauritania and Maldives.

Turkey's Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told the council on Monday there was a "rising trend" of Islamophobia, adding: "We condemn all sorts of incitement to hatred and religious discrimination against Muslims and people of other faiths."

OIC WANTS ACTION

And earlier this month a top official of the 57-nation Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) said the body would be focusing on getting agreement on criminalizing denigration of religion in coming talks with Western countries.

In November last year, the head of the 21-country Arab League told the U.N. Security Council in New York his organisation wanted a binding international framework to ensure "that religious faith and its symbols are respected".

The IHEU, and other non-governmental rights groupings, argue that many Muslim governments use this terminology and the concept of "religious blasphemy" within their own countries to cow both atheists and followers of other religions.

A number of these governments "prosecute people who express their religious doubt or dissent, regardless of whether those dissenters identify as atheist", the IHEU document submitted to the rights council said.

Islamic countries - including Bangladesh, Bahrain, Egypt, Indonesia, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia and Turkey - had also stepped up prosecution of "blasphemous" expression of criticism of religion in social media like Facebook and Twitter.

OIC countries have 15 seats on the council, all from Asia, Africa and the Middle East, and make up just less than one third of the rights body."

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GOP Lawmakers Propose Official State Religion

"Republican North Carolina state legislators have proposed allowing an official state religion in a measure that would declare the state exempt from the Constitution and court rulings.

The bill, filed Monday by two GOP lawmakers from Rowan County and backed by nine other Republicans, says each state "is sovereign" and courts cannot block a state "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." The legislation was filed in response to a lawsuit to stop county commissioners in Rowan County from opening meetings with a Christian prayer, wral.com reported.

The religion bill comes as some Republican-led states seek to separate themselves from the federal government, primarily on the issues of guns and Obamacare. This includes a proposal in Mississippi to establish a state board with the power to nullify federal laws.

The North Carolina bill's main sponsors, state Reps. Carl Ford (R-China Grove) and Harry Warren (R-Salisbury), could not be reached for comment on Tuesday, The Salisbury Post reported. Co-sponsors include House Majority Leader Edgar Starnes (R-Hickory). Another is state Rep. Larry Pittman (R-Concord), who in February introduced a state constitutional amendment that would allow for carrying concealed weapons to fight federal "tyranny."

The bill says the First Amendment only applies to the federal government and does not stop state governments, local governments and school districts from adopting measures that defy the Constitution. The legislation also says that the Tenth Amendment, which says powers not reserved for the federal government belong to the states, prohibits court rulings that would seek to apply the First Amendment to state and local officials.

The bill reads:

SECTION 1. The North Carolina General Assembly asserts that the Constitution of the United States of America does not prohibit states or their subsidiaries from making laws respecting an establishment of religion.

SECTION 2. The North Carolina General Assembly does not recognize federal court rulings which prohibit and otherwise regulate the State of North Carolina, its public schools, or any political subdivisions of the State from making laws respecting an establishment of religion.

The North Carolina state constitution disqualifies those who do not believe in God from public office. The provision has been unenforcible since the 1961 Supreme Court decision in Torcaso v. Watkins, which prohibited such bans."

Now, due to public attention to this issue: North Carolina House Speaker Kills Bill To Create State Religion

Yet recent polls show:

Christianity As State Religion Supported By One-Third Of Americans, Poll Finds Poll: Huge Number Of Americans Want Christianity As State Religion

Half of Christians Think Jesus Will Return Within 40 Years

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