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Keith "Truth" (TRASH) has another crappy video full of a bunch of lies and smears. No surprise there.

The New Age Infiltration of the Truth Movement (2009 Final Cut) 1/9 (April 09)
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Keith Thompson: New Age Infiltration of the Truth Movement (Final Cut 2009)
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Keith "Truth" is little more than a biased, bigoted fundamentalist Christian who makes all sorts of claims and accusations about people & topics he knows very little about. Neither Keith nor his other fundy friends such as Chris White have any relevant formal training, qualifications, credentials or degrees between them whatsoever. What they offer is nothing more than rhetoric, propaganda and half truths in order to shore-up their Christian faith at all costs. That's why, rather than provide valid primary sources of evidence for the biblical Jesus, they launch personal attacks and smear campaigns on non-believers instead. That's just what some Christians do, because that's what they've always done. Their opinions and "evidence" are very selective, making their arguments more convenient for them by leaving out vital facts. For example -

At 6 minutes into this "new" regurgitation of his old fallacious claims, Keith says that "these claims that Jesus is just the sun or that Christianity is just a metaphor for astrology are not ancient beliefs at all. In fact, these accusations only appear in the later half of previous millennium."

It is inconvenient for Keith and his fundy friends to explain that previous to that time period were the Inquisitions and crusades, where mentioning or writing about such things would've been considered blasphemy against the church and would get you tortured and probably under go a horrific death. If this were the 15th century, Keith and his buddies would be rounding up blasphemers for torture. That's why we now refer to that entire time period as "The DARK AGES." But in our day, all they can do is launch vicious attacks and lies in their videos, thoroughly embarrassing themselves in the process by demonstrating their utter biases and ignorance of the topics.

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Also, his statement is just plain false. By the end of the second century and into the third, Church father Tertullian was already defending against accusations that Christianity was little more than SUN WORSHIP. Later, St. Augustine also had to make an apology for the same contention. Acharya's book "Suns of God" - which Keith hasn't read, even though he dishonestly pretends to know all about her and her work - goes into these facts about the history of Christianity being claimed as sun worship. Keith has been told all about these FACTS, but he ignores them in order to continue to spread falsehoods - and there are too many falsehoods and lies in his lousy videos to keep up with them all.

At 7:00, Keith cites Acharya's book "The Christ Conspiracy," p. 343, about the masons, pretending that this quote shows the masons didn't exist. Naturally, because he is engaging in dishonest Christian apologetics, Keith Falsehoods takes a quote completely out of context which could only be done with purposeful intent - if you read the entire page you'll see for yourself. The very next sentence says, "They certainly existed..." In fact, Acharya's entire book demonstrates that Christianity is just another one of their creations. That information is again inconvenient and pulls the wind out of Keith's flaccid sails, so he avoids it.

Keith next cites Helena P. Blavatsky and commentary on Egypt. Keith has no idea how profoundly he is arguing above his station. Here is a comment from a Christian who was also by profession an Egyptologist:

"Interesting, however, as such an investigation would be, no attempt has been made in this work to trace out the influence of ancient Egyptian religious beliefs and mythology on Christianity, for such an undertaking would fill a comparatively large volume."

- E.A. Wallis Budge




Acharya's latest book "Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection" (2009) IS that "large volume."
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/c ... egypt.html

Again, Keith engages in dishonesty when he discusses Isis as not being a virgin. As is usual for Christian apologists, he doesn't know the subject matter AT ALL. Despite Isis's impregnation, she WAS called "the Great Virgin," centuries before the Virgin Mary allegedly existed. In "Christ in Egypt," Acharya devotes an entire, very long chapter to "The Virgin Isis-Mery" - 77 pages of evidence! - that PROVES this fact.

On p. 121 in CIE, Acharya quotes Dr. James Curl, a professor emeritus at the Queen's University of Belfast, as saying, "...Isis was the sacred embodiment of motherhood, yet was known as the Great Virgin, an apparent contradiction that will be familiar to Christians." On p. 120, she quotes Egyptologist Dr. R.E. Witt as saying:

"The Egyptian goddess who was equally 'the Great Virgin' (*hwnt*) and 'Mother of God' was the object of the very same praise bestowed upon her successor [Mary, Virgin Mother of Jesus]."

Acharya also discusses these facts about the Great Virgin - a title Isis calls herself in the Abydos Temple of Seti I, dating to the 13th-14th cents. BCE - in other parts of the same long chapter.

Once again, Keith conveniently ignores these facts in order to spread lies and vicious smears. And again, he shows he knows next to NOTHING about the subject. Why he wastes his time putting out videos full of lies and falsehoods can only be attributed to his deep Christian programming. Keith Falsehoods shows what serious damage to one's integrity this brainwashing causes.

Regarding the full version of this absurd video on Google, around 54 or so, KT really shows how completely uneducated he is and how foolish are his arguments. He seriously states that the idea of the 12 tribes of Israel representing the zodiac signs originated with Blavatsky! Well, it's just amazing that the ancient Jewish historians Philo and Josephus somehow knew about Blavatsky during the first century, since THEY are the ones who associate the 12 tribes with the 12 signs of the zodiac. As Acharya writes in "Christ in Egypt":

"See Exodus 39:9-14: '...they made the breastplate... And they set in it four rows of stones... And the stones were according to the names of the children of Israel, twelve...according to the twelve tribes.' As Josephus says (Antiquities, 3.8 ): 'And for the twelve stones, whether we understand by them the months or whether we understand the like number of the signs of that circle which the Greeks call the zodiac, we shall not be mistaken in their meaning.' (Josephus, 75.) Earlier than Josephus, Philo ('On the Life of Moses,' 12) had made the same comments regarding Moses: 'Then the twelve stones on the breast, which are not like one another in colour, and which are divided into four rows of three stones in each, what else can they be emblems of, except of the circle of the zodiac?' (Philo, 99.)"

KT really doesn't know what he's talking about, unless, of course, Josephus and Philo time-traveled to the 19th century to sit at the feet of Madame Blavatsky.

At 55:45 or so, KT really turns up the lies:

"Now here's Acharya S, repeating the Theosophic principles verbatim from Blavatsky's book 'Iseez Unveiled' with respect to comparative religious studies. This occult operative Acharya S didn't come to her conclusions based on any kind of meaningful research or study. She just quoted verbatim from Helena Blavatsky's book 'Iseez Unveiled,' volume 2, into her book, 'The Christ Conspiracy.'"

This is a slanderous smear and total lie.

No, Acharya doesn't get her information from Blavatsky, but KT is so incompetent and so poorly educated he doesn't seem to be able to follow citations. If KT actually knew anything about Acharya's work - which he falsely and dishonestly pretends to know - he would know that in her follow-up book "Suns of God," Acharya goes into great detail about where the contention about Krishna's mother comes from - and it has NOTHING to do with Helena Blavatsky. Also, KT makes some stupid comment about Blavatsky "deliberately misspelling Krishna's name," showing his utter lack of education. Blavatsky is using a TRANSLITERATION of Krishna's name that was COMMON in her era. She didn't make it up. But, again, being utterly incompetent and poorly educated, Keith wouldn't know that fact. This particular transliteration of "Christna" was used in several publications decades before Blavatsky and, again, was the common form of the word, such that Blavatsky was probably force to use it so her readers to know who she was talking about.

The rest of this drivel by Keith Lies is about the same quality - lies, falsehoods, misrepresentations and blatant slander. Blavatsky is only cited once in Zeitgeist and only 3 times in "Christ Conspiracy" and a couple times in "Suns of God." However, other scholars, including modern and well respected Egyptologists, mention Blavatsky as well without any drama queen outcry at all.

From my understanding, Blavatsky wasn't even a mythicist. She was an evemerist, who believed that Jesus Christ was a great master who was working with the other "enlightened masters" out of the Himalayas. Acharya's work doesn't go in that direction at all, so this fact completely debunks Keith Bullcrap's dishonest trash.

Later, KT makes the ludicrous statement: "Acharya S didn't come to her conclusions based on any kind of meaningful research or study."

Is KT on drugs? Seriously, this is just utter nonsense for those who've actually studied her works, which consists of 4 books to date with nearly 2,000 pages and over 5,550 footnotes and citations to primary sources, scholarly commentary and peer reviewed journals from over 1,440 bibliographical sources. Acharya researches not only in English but also in Greek, Latin, Hebrew, Egyptian, Sanskrit, French, German and other ancient and modern languages.

At 56:33, KT juxtaposes quotes from Blavatsky and Acharya attempting to imply that Acharya got it all from Blavatsky, even though Acharya cites entirely different sources for all but one of those quotes. Once again, Keith "Truth" lies.

At 1:01:28, KT is guilty of literary fraud when he adds "(new world order)" into the quote from 417 of "Christ Conspiracy."

Also, Acharya does not "advocate the abolition of Christianity" - yet another lie on the part of Keith Balone. Acharya was raised a Christian and was born-again in her 20s. What she does advocate is the understanding of the ancient mythology behind Christianity, which Keith knows little about and continues to lie about.

With his poor education, KT mutilates not only the English language but also the Latin and Greek, as well as defaming and slandering Acharya once again by associating her with the New Age Movement and New World Order. It is only in Keith's mind that Acharya has anything to do with these things. Acharya blames not only Christianity but also Islam, Judaism and other religious fanaticism for many of the world's problems, but KT wouldn't know that fact, because HE DOES NOT KNOW ACHARYA'S WORK but is FALSELY pretending to know it, while misrepresenting her and it. Acharya has NEVER said that "the New Age will cure all of the evil from those bad Christians out there." That is a complete lie. Acharya has NEVER made such a statement. Keith "Truth" is not only very poorly educated but he is a troubled and poorly spoken individual who can barely get out a decent sentence in the middle of all his lies and falsehoods.

In calling Acharya a "Theosophist," KT not only lies but he attempts to associate HER with those who he claims are behind the world's troubles. Acharya does not go around falsely accusing individuals of such heinous things, but KT once more bears false witness against an innocent individual, breaking the biblical commandment yet again. Keith Lies should be worried about his eternal soul for all the false witnessing he's been doing!

In his quoting of Acharya's book "The Christ Conspiracy," p. 416-417, KT once again displays his utter dishonesty. He conveniently left out the following:

"'I am with you always to the close of the age'--so ends the Gospel of Matthew. What does this mysterious statement mean, and why was this all-important book ended with it?..."

KT has not a leg to stand on in his attempts at smearing Acharya. The fact is that astronomically the planet is moving into a different part of the sky, backdropped by a different constellation that rises heliacally during the vernal equinox. Of course, being so poorly educated, KT would not know anything about those scientific FACTS. And it is clear from Acharya's comments that she is simply attempting to end her book - which is largely about the ASTROLOGICAL or ASTROTHEOLOGICAL roots of Christianity - with a positive and up note. The insidious associations that KT comes up with are reflections of his own dark psyche. She's also trying to prevent fanatic Christians and Muslims from destroying the planet by creating Armageddon - it's THEY who will destroy the world with their fanatical beliefs.

If, as according to KT at 1:00, "The New World Order has no intention of creating a better world," then why is KT associating Acharya with the NWO, when she CLEARLY has such an intention? Here KT is admitting that Acharya really has NO connection with the NWO agenda at all!

The "elite are vicious?" KT and his cronies are VICIOUS towards Acharya in their lies, slander, libel and smears.

At 1:02:13, KT quotes an article of Acharya's as saying, "Perhaps the Devil brings peace, and not a sword, to humanity. Considering how many people have been killed in the name of God and not the Devil, maybe the world is worshipping the wrong entity."

KT cites a sarcastic joke from Acharya, attempting to paint her as a devil worshipper when she doesn't believe in such an entity at all. The point she is making is that, with all those killed in the name of their God, who needs the Devil? After all, no one has marched off to war in the name of the devil, but millions have killed in God's name. Keith Baloney takes the quote completely out of context - the context being Acharya discussing the origin of the word "devil" - and demonstrates once again that he is totally incompetent and unable to comprehend even the simplest of concepts.

1:02:29, Keith brings up the fact that Acharya edited a book years ago called "Sex & Rockets," trying to defame her with more of the same absurd guilt by association. KT is really having to scramble to make his ridiculous case. Acharya edited a book for a friend who was a publisher. She didn't write it, and she doesn't endorse any views of the person whose bio it was. KT's "logic" here is so absurd it hardly dignifies a response. The book was a BIOGRAPHY about an important figure who happened to be one of the founders of the American space industry, specifically the JPL - I guess all the people who work in the industry founded partly by Jack Parsons are all occultists? This idiotic illogic of KT can extend to his own endeavors - since he is writing and speaking about Blavatsky, providing biographical material, I guess he is a Blavatskyite and a member of her New-Age movement?

1:05:30, here KT brings up the FACT of Horus raising Osiris from the dead and tries to dismiss its obvious connection to the raising of Lazarus by Jesus. Once again, he fails.

El-Osiris is dealt with in-depth by Acharya in "Who Was Jesus?", p. 234, and "Christ in Egypt," p. 304. She discusses the Greek name of Lazarus as being defined by Strong's as "whom God helps." It is broken down to EL-Eazer, which is not much different from El-Asar or El-Ausar, "Asar" or "Ausar" being the Egyptian name for Osiris.

She also discusses the other Lazarus in Luke, showing how it obviously comes from an Egyptian tale - a fact concurred with by Egyptologist Dr. Maspero.

Suffice it to say that KT doesn't know what he's talking about and that Christian apologist Dr. Bedard is speaking nonsense and sophistry. If the term "Lazarus" or "Lazaros" comes from the Hebrew "Eleazar," then KT's argument about it being Greek and not Egyptian is likewise nonsensical, as Acharya shows. While Keith makes much about the term being Greek, as if he knows that language, he does not know Greek at all. Acharya does.

At 1:24:00 on, KT begins his Christian proselytizing sermon, demonstrating that his sole purpose for all of his videos is to shore up the Christian faith at all costs - even if it means smearing, slandering and libeling others for having different views. Again, KT is a biased, bigoted fundamentalist Christian who has no time for objectivity or intellectual honesty in his videos.

He has made several videos that specifically attack and libel Acharya S personally with no responsibility or accountability. He has accused her of being a theosophist, a Freemason, Satanist, NWO advocate and far worse but none of it is true. In fact, these smears are all lies, which one can see for themselves by actually studying her works. Keith is not about "Truth," but, rather, he has been shown these things before yet he continues to purposely spread lies. Keith "Lies," and he knows it.

While Keith and his Christian fundamentalist friends are launching attacks on the very people who are working to EXPOSE the fraud throughout history such as Zeitgeist, David Icke, Acharya and many others, he is oblivious to the fact that he is promoting that which he claims to rail against. Maybe one day Keith and his friends will realize that fact. However, at this point there's no reason to expect that - all they have done could be considered work FOR the NWO. I have yet to see any reason why anyone would trust Keith "Truth" and his Christian fundamentalist friends.

Meanwhile, Islam is sneaking through the back door. So, instead of endlessly spinning his wheels fighting THIS losing battle, maybe Keith and his courageous cronies should be tackling THAT subject - or are they too frightened? If they don't stop Islam, Jesus Christ will be demoted to a mere prophet UNDER Mohammed - and where is the supernatural and omnipotent Christ during this process? He seems to be utterly powerless to stop the world from being Islamized. Keith, do some real good and stop Islam! For all we know Keith and his friends are working for the Muslim Brotherhood, who seems to be the REAL New World Order at this point. Islam and Muslims gain the most by crappy, dishonest videos from people like Keith, and they are taking advantage of it. Think about it.

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P.S. As Acharya addressed in her blog over a year ago:
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"... When the subject matter is examined scientifically and in depth, there continues to be no credible evidence for the existence of the gospel character named Jesus Christ, and the preponderance of scientific evidence points to him being as mythical a character as the Greek god Hercules and the many other deities of the Roman Empire of the time.

While people who take such a position are widely subjected to ridicule and derision, based on all the evidence this conclusion is demonstrably the most reasonable and logical. Furthermore, in a truthful world where we should not be compelled to reside in BLIND BELIEF, this perspective should be allowed to exist without its holders being derogated and abused, as well as dunned with impossibly high standards of proof, while claims in the religious arena require little to no proof at all! In addition, rather than attacking living, breathing human beings, in my work I tackle deleterious ideologies that have caused the deaths of hundreds of millions of people.

To demonstrate the utter lack of quality in the assaults on my credibility and character that somehow "prove" the existence of Jesus Christ, I have been labeled not only a "liar," "fraud" and "poor scholar," but also a "Freemason," an "Illuminati," a "CIA agent," a "Mossad agent" and a "Zionist" - utterly ridiculous notions so undeserving of dignifying that I have hitherto not addressed them. Nor am I a member of any Theosophical Society or any organization having to do with Luciferians, etc., ad absurdum - other silliness slung my way. These claims are entirely laughable, needless to say. Not to mention that these folks are BEARING FALSE WITNESS AGAINST ME, which breaks one of the 10 Commandments!

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."
(Exodus 20:16; Matthew 19:18)


http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2008/04/zei ... d-not.html

"ZEITGEIST, Part 1" Debunked? Acharya Responds video from May 2008 at 7:40



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In Christ in Egypt she points out in the Preface:

"In order to set the stage for the various premises of each chapter, I have included quotations at the beginnings thereof, at times both modern and ancient. After thus providing a summary of the premise, in each chapter I delve into the appropriate primary sources to whatever extent possible. In my analysis of the ancient Egyptian texts, I consulted and cross-referenced as many translations as I could find, and I attempted to defer to the most modern renditions as often as possible. All of this work was accomplished as truly independent scholarship, without funding from any group, organization or institution, as has been the case with all of my past endeavors as well.

The result is that Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection comprises nearly 600 pages with almost 2,400 footnotes and citations from more than 900 books, journals and assorted other sources from experts in germane fields of study from different time periods beginning in antiquity up to the most modern Egyptologists, in order to create a consensus of opinion since the topic is so contentious. In this regard, brief biographical material is also included for many of these authorities, so that readers may be assured of the individual’s credentials. The broad scope of these sources dating from thousands of years ago to the most modern research means there can be no dismissive argument based on either a lack of primary sources or because the authorities cited are “outdated.”

- Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection, Preface vii
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/c ... egypt.html

So the issue of Acharya being a member of or having anything to do with any malevolent organization or group whatsoever was addressed a year ago. There is no evidence whatsoever that she's ever had anything to do with any of them beyond the "guilt by association" fallacy for writing about them usually to expose them.

KT's utter OBSESSION with Acharya, Zeitgeist and KT's NWO is as transparent as glass. KT needs to find something better to do with his time before he becomes completely delusional to the point of no return - or is it already too late?

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Here's a new video response that just came out today by "dudekin":

Jesus Christ the Sun: A claim originating from Theosophy?


dudekin did a great job presenting the facts and evidence. I'd love to see more folks take it upon themselves to make videos responding to an assortment of misinformation from KT and others both theists and atheists.

Feel free to use the post above and posts throughout this forum to make more videos when needed to respond to such utter nonsense like KT videos. There are theists and atheists who need response videos so the more the merrier - just be as accurate as possible.

We have all the evidence on our side so there's no reason to be dishonest about anything. If anybody needs help with certain things just ask - we'd be happy to help folks be intellectual honest and accurate.

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Another new one from "dudekin"

Jesus Christ a Mason; The Origins of the Claim
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He's on a roll!

I really need to become video making savy myself. I'd like to get in on the action some day. Descartes just told me that he's going to try to put together a u-tube video on the role of the southern cross in the winter solstice symbolism. That one ought to be pretty good as well.

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LOL, that's hilarious :lol:

I'm stoked to see some folks take it upon themselves to finally begin to create videos exposing Keith and others and their fallacious videos and blatant lies. It needs to be done not for Keith or Chris White but for others who aren't armed with accurate info or sources to counter their nonsense. These guys are just Christian apologists attempting to shore-up their faith at all costs - even if it means smearing, libeling, slandering and defaming others for not believing in their Christian faith.

Notice how they can't substantiate any valid evidence for Jesus and the bible? They can't and that's why they need to viciously attack others.

Here's another thread on that "conspiracy science" kid. He's the same kid who created a website attacking Zeitgeist and smears Acharya. conspiracy science.com on Acharya thread

We could also use a video exposing Chris White and his deceptive tactics as well.
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"Yes, Michael Tsarion has had my Youtube account suspended."

- Chris White

Chris says he plans a counter suit against Tsarion. He also admits during the podcast that he has several youtube & other accounts. So, everytime somebody posts comments on Youtube claiming Zeitgeist, Acharya, Peter Joseph & others are "Satanists" or "Lucifarians" or "Theosophists" it's probably one of the many youtube ALT. accounts of Chris White or Keith or one of their minions. That's what they do - they accuse everyone who isn't a Christian as being a Satanist.
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- Chris White

Yes, that actually IS the problem here - you WANT to believe in Jesus regardless of the fact that there exists no valid evidence supporting his existence and a mountain of counter evidence showing why he did not exist.

The above quotes come from pod casts where he paints everyone who doesn't believe in Christianity as "Satanists" or "Lucifarians" &/or "Theosophists" - so if you don't believe in Christianity then you're working for the devil.

Michael Tsarion and the Youtube fiasco" April 9, 2009

Michael Tsarion is wrong - a debunkumentary" April 6, 2009

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keith made a response to this rebuttal. It looks like yall have some explaining to do...

(keithtruth. blogspot. com /2009/04/response-to-acharya-ss-minions. html)
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john davis wrote:
keith made a response to this rebuttal. It looks like yall have some explaining to do...

(keithtruth. blogspot. com /2009/04/response-to-acharya-ss-minions. html)
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Oh yeah?

Excerpts:

"I can understand Christian apologists defending Jesus Christ because he is our Lord. However these people do the same thing defending a mere woman."

...a mere woman? How insulting.

"...the gospel of Mark was written in the late 30's A.D or no less then the early 40's A.D"

hahaha

One need read no further - the guy is totally deluded. I'll leave it for others to take apart his 'response'.

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It appears that I've hit a touchy nerve with KT. He acts surprised that someone would call him out for his libelous videos which demonstrate his obsession with Zeitgeist, Acharya etc clear as glass. It also looks like Keith is posting anonymously at his blog to make it look like someone will defend his pathological lies. "john davis" is probably Keith as well.
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Keith "It amazes me that someone can be so obsessed with Acharya S as to write such a long exhaustive defense of her."

As opposed to Keith's utter OBSESSION to smear, libel, defame and essentially CYBER-STALK her? How many videos have you made obsessing over Acharya, including the ones that were so over-the-top despicable that even Christians were complaining? You've got serious issues, Keith - please get help. I'm sure there's an 800 # for you.

You can't do anything to substantiate the bogus claims for your Jewish fairytale, so you have to launch personal attacks, lies, smears, libel and slander. And then you aren't held accountable for all your lying - you just keep doing it.

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KT "I can understand Christian apologists defending Jesus Christ because he is our Lord. However these people do the same thing defending a mere women."

Yeah, that remark makes him sound like a misogynist. He keeps focusing in on Acharya's face, and she's a fine-looking woman. And his whole life is dedicated to fighting for his invisible male lover, Jesus, so I have to wonder if Keith is gay? What's with all these guys going on and on about Jesus, while attacking a beautiful women? Are they all gay? "Not that there's anything wrong with that" - Seinfeld, but if so, Keith just needs to come out of the closet. Keith just seems so lost and frustrated. He kinda reminds me of the homoerotic Christian song "I can only imagine" by Mercy Me. Here are the lyrics:
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I can only imagine
What it will be like
When I walk
By your side

I can only imagine
What my eyes will see
When your face
Is before me
I can only imagine

[Chorus:]
Surrounded by Your glory, what will my heart feel
Will I dance for you Jesus or in awe of you be still
Will I stand in your presence or to my knees will I fall
Will I sing hallelujah, will I be able to speak at all
I can only imagine

I can only imagine
When that day comes
And I find myself
Standing in the Son

I can only imagine
When all I will do
Is forever
Forever worship You
I can only imagine

I can only imagine
When all I will do
Is forever, forever worship you


When you hear the music and see the video you will get the HOMOEROTIC point. Just imagine replacing the name "Jesus" with any other man's name! LOL - ROTFLMAO! I'll bet KT has issues with women and people in general as he seems socially retarded, and his Christian biases and bigotry doesn't help. Again, Keith seems so lost and frustrated. He just needs to come out of the closet.

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Luva states: "Also, his statement is just plain false. By the end of the second century and into the third, Church father Tertullian was already defending against accusations that Christianity was little more than SUN WORSHIP. Later, St. Augustine also had to make an apology for the same contention."

KT "Tertullian was not defending against accusations that Christ was the sun which I will prove."

LOL, I'm not surprised to see Keith's severe lack of comprehension:

LOL, ROTFLMAO!!! KT has his foot in his mouth big time. There's no way to reverse that statement when he finds out that Tertullian specifically addressed that issue on at least 2 different occasions in his Ad Nationes and in his Apologeticum.

Tertullian even titles it Book 1, chapter 13 of Ad Nationes: "The Charge of Worshipping the Sun Met by a Retort"

"A few of the more refined of you think we worship the sun."

- Tertullian


http://www.tertullian.org/works/apologeticum.htm

The Catholic Encyclopedia even paraphrases Tertullian thus, "You say we worship the sun; so do you."

So the point is that Keith was wrong, bad wrong. Every time he tries to use the argument that Jesus/Christianity being equated with the sun and earlier pagan religion was invented in the 19th century, his claim is easily demonstrated to be utterly false. And Keith's argument that it all comes from H.P. Blavatsky (53:40 & 54:05) is also utterly false as well.

Keith also incorporates an endless stream of fallacies every time he tries to argue that Acharya is a Freemason or part of any elite. Keith has never been able to demonstrate that case beyond his 1950's Senator Joseph McCarthy style guilt by association tactics claiming that everybody was a communist. McCarthy is the same guy who got "in God we trust" on the US $1 and "under God" in the US Pledge of allegiance. Just because she has written about them even EXPOSING THEM, she must therefore be one of them. Wouldn't that argument make Keith an elite and NWO advocate? Notice how Keith avoided the "guilt by association" argument above - if by Acharya editing a biography she is somehow an occultist, then Keith providing biographical material about - and obsessing over - Madame Blavatsky must make Keith a follower of Blavatsky! That's KT's great logic.

If Acharya had any of the power you ascribe to her, Keith, her work would be all over the History Channel, the Discovery Channel, National Geographic, the major media outlets, talkshows and so on. It isn't, because the elite that YOU are inadvertently stumping for doesn't want this information to get out there. You are an absolute idiot to believe that Acharya has any "ins" in the mainstream media. And that fact disproves your incredibly stupid videos that are going to embarrass you and other Christians for years to come.

Keith "Truth" is, a pathological liar for the lord - a phrase coined by Josephus Wheless: "little liars for the lord."

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About Tertullian... no one makes the statement that people were claiming Jesus was the sun. Instead, when you consult the context, it had to do with them venorating towards the east in prayer. Clement of Alexandria also confirms this. I might bring him out to expose ya. You forgot to quote the rest of Tertullian Acharya...or whoever you are... Infact the next sentence reffers to your group Acharya and it stands as a refutation to you right now. Tertullian states:

"A few of the more refined of you think we worship the sun. Again, that is your practise, not ours."

About the guilty by association argument. Yes Keith exposes occultists, freemasons and theosophists. Howevever he didn't edit books for them. He doesn't cite theosophists as sources of ancient history as if they are infallable. He doesn't exalt theosophists and freemasons as great teachers, authorities or wise masters as Maxwell, Tsarion and you do. Especially considering that masonry and theosophy have been shown to be nwo advocates with heavy documetation. Thus your assertion towards keith was not analogous.

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And once again you - Keith or whoever you are - make false statements and pretend like you know something. You don't. The point is not whether or not the Christians really WERE sun worshippers but that Blavatsky was NOT the first to claim that they were. In modern times, Charles Dupuis was one of the earliest, so once more Keith - and you - are wrong.

Besides that, the early Christians themselves constantly compared Christ to the SUN, as in "Sun of Righteousness." So the claim that this sun-worship perception only comes from Christian veneration facing the east is FALSE. Once again, you don't know what you're talking about.

Acharya has never edited a book FOR an occultist, so you raise a very bad straw man that reflects the low caliber of your intellect. Nor does she cite them as if they are infallible - more lies on the part of your cult. Nor does she exalt any of them as "great teachers" blah, blah, blah. Again, more lies on your part. You don't know her work at all, so stop lying and pretending you do. Oh, and your claim that "masonry and theosophy have been shown to be NWO advocates with heavy documetation [sic]" is also illogic. That sentence makes no sense at all, but it often seems like Christians are very badly educated.

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john davis "You forgot to quote the rest of Tertullian Acharya...or whoever you are... Infact the next sentence reffers to your group Acharya and it stands as a refutation to you right now. Tertullian states:

"A few of the more refined of you think we worship the sun. Again, that is your practise, not ours."

It wasn't necessary to quote the next sentence as everybody here knows that quote. My point was made when Tertullian says "you think we worship the sun" which proved Keith wrong. You're just trying to move the goal post. There's no way out of that statement Keith made.

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"Keith exposes occultists, freemasons and theosophists."

No, he doesn't. He just THINKS he does and he's got you fooled too. He is doing exactly what the NWO/elite (he claims to be against) want him to do. They are the creators of Christianity but Keith hasn't figured that out yet.

Thus, my revealing of Keith's lies and illogic continues to be sound. Now, who's alt. are you?

* Maybe you missed the part in the original post where this was already addressed:
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At 6 minutes into this "new" regurgitation of his old fallacious claims, Keith says that "these claims that Jesus is just the sun or that Christianity is just a metaphor for astrology are not ancient beliefs at all. In fact, these accusations only appear in the later half of previous millennium."

It is inconvenient for Keith and his fundy friends to explain that previous to that time period were the Inquisitions and crusades, where mentioning or writing about such things would've been considered blasphemy against the church and would get you tortured and probably under go a horrific death. If this were the 15th century, Keith and his buddies would be rounding up blasphemers for torture. That's why we now refer to that entire time period as "The DARK AGES." But in our day, all they can do is launch vicious attacks and lies in their videos, thoroughly embarrassing themselves in the process by demonstrating their utter biases and ignorance of the topics.

"Gimme that ol' time religion"
Pagan Destruction Chronology (314-870 C.E)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLzbxJ0R ... annel_page

Also, his statement is just plain false. By the end of the second century and into the third, Church father Tertullian was already defending against accusations that Christianity was little more than SUN WORSHIP. Later, St. Augustine also had to make an apology for the same contention. Acharya's book "Suns of God" - which Keith hasn't read, even though he dishonestly pretends to know all about her and her work - goes into these facts about the history of Christianity being claimed as sun worship. Keith has been told all about these FACTS, but he ignores them in order to continue to spread falsehoods - and there are too many falsehoods and lies in his lousy videos to keep up with them all.

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You are too stupid and deluded by theosophy and masonry to understand how badly Keith refuted and exposed you about Tertullian acharya. Honestly as soon as people see that material they email him thanking him for waking them up to the fact that people are put in place to externalize the heirarchy.

There is no evidence that Christianity was inveted by the elite and I find it interesting that people who are Christians who promote Christianity but expose the nwo/new age who get killed or framed/jailed like Cooper, Springmeier, Baer, etc but your camp who love Blavatsky and who claim Christianity was invented by the elite and reveil these supposed big secrets like you, Icke, Maxwell, Tsarion, etc not only get to live but go on television and do countless lectures.

It is obviouse you are protected acharya and that you are externalizing the new age to the public. Historic Christianity is true. One day you will have to give an account to God as to why you are doing what you are doing now. Your ideology and new age system is a grand delsion orchastrated by the elite who are controlled by the ascended masters (evil forces).

Pitty is not the correct word to describe how I feel towards you. The proper term would be sorrow.

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You are too stupid and deluded by theosophy and masonry to understand how badly Keith refuted and exposed you about Tertullian acharya. Honestly as soon as people see that material they email him thanking him for waking them up to the fact that people are put in place to externalize the heirarchy.

There is no evidence that Christianity was inveted by the elite and I find it interesting that people who are Christians who promote Christianity but expose the nwo/new age who get killed or framed/jailed like Cooper, Springmeier, Baer, etc but your camp who love Blavatsky and who claim Christianity was invented by the elite and reveil these supposed big secrets like you, Icke, Maxwell, Tsarion, etc not only get to live but go on television and do countless lectures.

It is obviouse you are protected acharya and that you are externalizing the new age to the public. Historic Christianity is true. One day you will have to give an account to God as to why you are doing what you are doing now. Your ideology and new age system is a grand delsion orchastrated by the elite who are controlled by the ascended masters (evil forces).

Pitty is not the correct word to describe how I feel towards you. The proper term would be sorrow.


No Keith, I'm not Acharya. You just can't help but make a constant stream of false accusations. What, you think the "force" is with you and you're some kind of Jedi now? You think that just because words come out of your mouth that it must be true? Keith, I'm really sorry to tell you but all you've done is expose yourself to be the uneducated, misogynistic, biased, bigoted fundamentalist Christian extremist you are.

You are an embarrassment to honest Christians, Keith. You're the next Christian crackpot waiting to happen. Like the Sunday school teacher in the news for pedophilia right now.

You still don't understand how badly you embarrassed yourself and how Tertullian an early church father proved you wrong.

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Keith "There is no evidence that Christianity was inveted by the elite"

Right, I now it's hard Keith since that bit of information is inconvenient for you and ruins your entire premise. But that's why we enjoy your videos for a good laugh, Keith.

I enjoyed Bill Cooper and have his book - it's just a disappointment that he was such a fundy paranoid Christian who, like you, was pointing at the wrong people probably due to Christian delusion.

Nobody here has ever made the claim that Blavatsky was their hero - more delusions on your part Keith. How many times have you been told that Acharya only cites Blavatsky 3 times in Christ Conspiracy and Zeitgeist only cites her once. I know it has been explained to you many times Keith but you continue to spread gossip, lies, smears and all manor of libelous crap. You have shown no interest in correcting errors when it comes to Acharya or her work.

And speaking of delusions what "television" shows and "countless lectures" has Acharya been on Keith because this is the first I've heard of it. I'm sure Acharya would love to find this out too.

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Keith "Truth" It is obviouse you are protected acharya


Protected how, Keith? Where's your fallacious evidence for that.? Face it - you've been wrong about Acharya and her work all along. WHAT DID ACHARYA EVER DO TO YOU, KEITH? She never did a single thing to you and you, without any provocation whatsoever created those ridiculous videos trying to claim she was some sort of sex pervert. You owe her an apology for spreading such vicious lies. Acharya's work has always addressed IDEOLOGIES not individuals. Keith, you launch vicious attacks on specific individuals and what you've said in your videos about Acharya can be considered hate speech and motivation for violence.

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Keith Truth "One day you will have to give an account to God"
And what about your account for the lies, smears & defamation you've created in your videos, Keith? What do you think god would say to you about your vicious lies? What should God do to you for that? Attacking a single female author because she has a different view point than you. What would Jesus say to you about that, Keith? Would he send you to hell for all the vicious lies you've created?

Keith, you're not a part of the Christians I know. You're one of those guys who'd be happy to create a new, modern day Inquisition if you could. Maybe you'd like that - you could be the next Hitler for Christ. You're just creating another bad cult based on lies and faulty information due to being so misinformed and uneducated about history and the facts and evidence concerning religion. You're lost and frustrated Keith and everybody knows but you - you're as transparent as glass.

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There is no difference between you and lucis trust. You are of the UN agenda acharya. Keith told me to tell you that he has more important things to take care of as of now and conversing with your camp is like trying to teach astro-physics to a retard.

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