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Here is an outstanding article of excerpts from the 1st chapter in "Suns of God," with some cool images too:

Astrotheology of the Ancients

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The further one regresses in time, the more obvious it becomes that the principal and singular religious worship found around the globe has revolved around nature. This nature worship has included reverence not only for the earth, its creatures and their fecundity, but also for the sun, moon, planets and stars. For many thousands of years, man has looked to the skies and become awestruck by what he has observed. This awe has led to the reverence and worship both of the night and day skies, an adoration called "astrotheology." While fertility worship has constituted an important and prevalent part of the human religion, little has astonished humankind more than the sky, with its enormous, blazing, white day orb in the azure expanse, and with its infinite, twinkling, black night dome. So fascinated by the sky, or heavens, has been man that he has created entire religions, with organized priesthoods, complex rituals and massive edifices, in order to tell its story.

Many folks aren't aware of astrotheology or archaeoastronomy. So here's a great place to start.

Archaeoastronomy - "The study of the knowledge, interpretations, and practices of ancient cultures regarding celestial objects or phenomena. The branch of archaeology that deals with the apparent use by prehistoric civilizations of astronomical techniques to establish the seasons or the cycle of the year, esp. as evidenced in the construction of megaliths and other ritual structures."

Astrotheology - Theology founded on observation or knowledge of the celestial bodies ... such as the sun, moon, planets, stars, constellations etc.

Myth - "a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, esp. one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature."

Astrotheology neutralizes the "us vs. them" mentality. It makes it more difficult to create a religious war when one learns that the common denominator between our worlds religions were based on the sun, moon and other natural phenomena. Things we all enjoy and share regardless of our beliefs or lack thereof.
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"At Stonehenge in England and Carnac in France, in Egypt and Yucatan, across the whole face of the earth are found mysterious ruins of ancient monuments, monuments with astronomical significance. These relics of other times are as accessible as the American Midwest and as remote as the jungles of Guatemala. Some of them were built according to celestial alignments; others were actually precision astronomical observatories... Careful observation of the celestial rhythms was compellingly important to early peoples, and their expertise, in some respects, was not equaled in Europe until three thousand years later."

- Dr. Edwin Krupp, Astronomer and Director of the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles.
* "Suns of God" page 26

Acharya S/D.M. Murdock is an Independent scholar in the field of comparative religion and mythology, specializing in astrotheology with a keen interest in archaeoastronomy. Acharya S examines the connections between the origins of modern religious belief and our ancient veneration for the sun, moon and other natural phenomena throughout her work.

Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled

The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

See also this thread: Evemerist vs. Mythicist Position

* Don't forget to put in a request at your local public and university libraries for a copy of these works if they don't already have them. :wink:

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Freethinkaluva22 wrote:
This needs to be passed around. This is the online article many have been looking for - it contains words such as astrotheology, archaeoastronomy, myth etc. Words that should be familiar to folks worldwide by now, as it pertains to religion but sadly, are not.


...with emphasis on "but sadly, are not."

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"Suns of God" should be at every library and in the hands of every comparative religion professor.


I haven't checked my library, but I should. It seems like such a basic book that any library should have.

I think in a generation that the knowledge of this subject will be more common. These kinds of subjects have spread all over the internet, lots of new books have come up about the subject, and even some Christians are starting to take it seriously(eg Harpur). Also, Acharya S. is becoming more well-known and respected by other scholars.

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A course in astrotheology neutralizes the "us vs. them" mentality. It makes it more difficult to create a religious war when one learns that the foundation of their religion was based on the sun or moon.;


Once adopted, it can neutralize this. However, both many Theists and Atheists are wary of taking mythological studies serioiusly. And so they'll see astrotheology itself with an "us vs. them" mentaltiy. I think society will have to develop some more before it becomes a collective attitude. It takes the ability to see different perspectives and allow cognitive dissonance b/t perspectives. In terms of Spiral Dynamics, this is thinking at second tier.

I'll e-mail this link to some people. I'm also going to start a discussion about this on another forum.


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An impassive universe that just gets on with business regardless of human behaviour scares the crap out of people. I suspect that this is mainly because they can't offer prayers to it in exchange for favours or receive a guarantee of a place in heaven if they've been good worshippers/donors.

A universal perspective also negates the binary thought that fuels the actions of the political/religious/media/financial warmongers and allows them divide us in various ways.


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"At Stonehenge in England and Carnac in France, in Egypt and Yucatan, across the whole face of the earth are found mysterious ruins of ancient monuments, monuments with astronomical significance. These relics of other times are as accessible as the American Midwest and as remote as the jungles of Guatemala. Some of them were built according to celestial alignments; others were actually precision astronomical observatories... Careful observation of the celestial rhythms was compellingly important to early peoples, and their expertise, in some respects, was not equaled in Europe until three thousand years later."
- Dr. Edwin Krupp, "In Search of Ancient Astronomies"
* "Suns of God" page 26

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"Another important factor in ancient astrotheology is the precession of the equinoxes, a phenomenon caused by the earth’s off-axis tilt, whereby the sun at the vernal equinox (spring) is back-dropped by a different constellation every 2150 or so years, a period called an “age.” One cycle of the precession, through the 12 signs of the zodiacal ages is called a “Great Year,” and is approximately 26,000 years long. According to orthodox history, the precession was only “discovered” in the second century BCE by the Greek astronomer Hipparchus; however, it is clear from ancient texts, traditions, artifacts and monuments that more ancient peoples knew about it and attempted to compensate for it from age to age. In Hamlet’s Mill, Santillana and Dechend demonstrate knowledge of the precession at much earlier times, stating: “There is good reason to assume that he [Hipparchus] actually rediscovered this, that it had been known some thousand years previously, and that on it the Archaic Age based its long-range computation of time.”

Astronomer Dr. Krupp concurs:

"The earliest known direct reference to precession is that of the Greek astronomer Hipparchus (second century B.C.), who is credited with discovering it. Adjustments of the Egyptian temple alignments, pointed out by Sir Norman Lockyer, may well indicate a much earlier sensitivity to this phenomenon, however".

Again, Krupp says:

"Circumstantial evidence implies that the awareness of the shifting equinoxes may be of considerable antiquity, for we find, in Egypt at least, a succession of cults whose iconography and interest focus on duality, the bull, and the ram at appropriate periods for Gemini, Taurus, and Aries in the precessional cycle of the equinoxes."
* "Suns of God" page 40

Dr. Edwin Krupp is an Astronomer and Director of the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles.

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There is one thing on Astrotheology that I wanted to discuss and read more about. Acharya wrote about Revelations and astrotheology- I THINK it was Suns of God. I actually took notes on that chapter as well as highlighted. Yeah, well... Her books could be textbooks as far as I'm concern. :lol:

Anyway, I was glad to find that because I ha heard for years it was all symbolism and literature for the time, but upon further questioning, even in the class a priest taught on it, it was "We don't know, the symbolism has been lost." I could hardly believe that and when I stumbled onto what Acharya said, it all made sense.

No, it wasn't a chapter, but collectively it could be a chapter. P. 431-432 she has a whole section though on Revelation/Apocalypse. That has just the fraction of the notes I picked up on the subject in Suns of God. And the whole chapter is in Christ Con pp 265-273; where the majority of my notes came from. I have, if I can find them, at least three pages of notes from what she wrote on this subject.

Found them! It's 5 pages of notes. All from Christ Con. :lol: I pulled two pages of notes out of Suns of God.

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Definitions for Astrotheology:

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Astrotheology: "Theology founded on observation or knowledge of the celestial bodies" ... such as the sun, moon, planets, stars, constellations and milky way etc. created by William Derham in 1714

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Astrotheology: "Theology founded on observation or knowledge of the celestial bodies, such as the sun, moon, planets, stars, constellations, earth, etc."

--Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998

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"astrotheology: theology or religious systems based on the observation of stars..."

--"The Aldrich Dictionary of Phobias and Other Word Families," p. 93.

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"astrotheology, theology founded on the stars"

--"Hartrampf's Vocabulary Builder," p. 156.

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"Archaeologists are generally agreed that the dominant ideas embodied in the Roman funerary ritual came from the astrotheology of Babylonia and Syria..."

--Francis Hobart Herrick, "The American Eagle: A Study in Natural and Civil History," p. 200.

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"Astral Mythology - Or 'star mythology.' From the Greek. The corpus of myths in which stars play a role, particularly as divinities or gods in astral configuration... In agragrian and especially in highly advanced cultures (such as Babylon, Egypt, Mexico) astral mythologies arose surrounding the sun, the moon, planets, and individual groups of stars."

--Udo Becker, Lance W. Garmer, "The Continuum Encyclopedia of Symbols," p. 28.

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What are some important yearly celebration dates throughout other cultures today that could be considered to be based on astrotheology?

We already have the solstices & equinoxes (solar festivals) plus, the 4 Celtic fire festivals at the peak of each season.

Epiphany Jan 6

Easter

St. John's Day - summer solstice

Sirius Rising July 26th

The Assumption of Mary Aug 15

All Saints Day Fall peak

Hanuka

Kwanzaa

What else from other cultures like Islam, Hindu, etc.

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"May the Sun god, Surya, reveal to us that wisdom of the Highest God (Lord Hari), may the Moon god, Chandra bless us with happiness, may the planetary god Mars (Mangala) provide us with good fortune, may Mercury (Budha-deva) bestow all wisdom, may Jupiter (Guru) make us great, may Venus (Shukra-deva) make us learned, may Saturn (Shani-deva) bless us with well-being, may Ketu (Moon's South Node) grant success, may Rahu (Moon's North Node) relieve us of ill health. May these planets be beneficial to us. May all our wealth, Bhakti, material assets, and wisdom, etc., increase daily. Hail Saturn (Shani) who were born from Surya, who is splendorous with all good qualities, may you destroy our bad karma, and grant our wishes, and free us from Saturn problems, so says Vadiraga."

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by Shri Vadiraja Swamy

"May the Sun god, Surya, reveal to us that wisdom of the Highest God (Lord Hari), may the Moon god, Chandra bless us with happiness, may the planetary god Mars (Mangala) provide us with good fortune, may Mercury (Budha-deva) bestow all wisdom, may Jupiter (Guru) make us great, may Venus (Shukra-deva) make us learned, may Saturn (Shani-deva) bless us with well-being, may Ketu (Moon's South Node) grant success, may Rahu (Moon's North Node) relieve us of ill health. May these planets be beneficial to us. May all our wealth, Bhakti, material assets, and wisdom, etc., increase daily. Hail Saturn (Shani) who were born from Surya, who is splendorous with all good qualities, may you destroy our bad karma, and grant our wishes, and free us from Saturn problems, so says Vadiraga."

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this is so awesome i almost cried.

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THE HEAVENLY VEIL TORN: MARK'S COSMIC "INCLUSIO" by David Ulansey [Originally published in Journal of Biblical Literature 110:1 (Spring 1991) pp. 123-25] states
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..rather spectacular confirmation of the existence in Mark's imagination of a link between the tearing of the heavens and the tearing of the temple veil. The evidence to which I refer consists of a passage in Josephus's Jewish War in which he describes the outer veil of the Jerusalem temple as it had appeared since the time of Herod. According to Josephus, this outer veil was a gigantic curtain 80 feet high. It was, he says, a Babylonian tapestry, with embroidery of blue and fine linen, of scarlet also and purple, wrought with marvelous skill. Nor was this mixture of materials without its mystic meaning: it typified the universe.... Then Josephus tells us what was pictured on this curtain: Portrayed on this tapestry was a panorama of the entire heavens" ..In other words, the outer veil of the Jerusalem temple was actually one huge image of the starry sky! Thus, upon encountering Mark's statement that "the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom," any of his readers who had ever seen the temple or heard it described would instantly have seen in their mind's eye an image of the heavens being torn, and would immediately have been reminded of Mark's earlier description of the heavens being torn at the baptism. This can hardly be coincidence: the symbolic parallel is so striking that Mark must have consciously intended it.

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This is further confirmation of the precessional cosmology informing the writers of the Gospels. The 'tearing of the heavens' and the 'tearing of the veil of the temple' bookend Mark to indicate the shift from the former Great Year to the current one.


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The Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries: Cosmology and Salvation in the Ancient World
by David Ulansey is an outstanding read. It's full of astrotheological information.

I have the book here.

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"This is perhaps the oldest form of idolatry practised by the ancients. According to Wisdom xiii. 2, the observation of the stars in the East very early led the people to regard the planets and the fixed stars as gods. The religion of the ancient Egyptians is known to have consisted preeminently of sun-worship. Moses sternly warned the Israelites against worshiping the sun, moon, stars, and all the host of heaven (Deut. iv. 19, xvii. 3); it may be said that the prohibition of making and worshiping any image of that which is in heaven above (Ex. xx. 4; Deut. v. 8) implies also the stars and the other celestial bodies. The Israelites fell into this kind of idolatry, and as early as the time of Amos they had the images of Siccuth and Chiun, "the stars of their god" (Amos v. 26, R. V.); the latter name is generally supposed to denote the planet Saturn. That the kingdom of Israel fell earlier than that of Judah is stated (II Kings xvii. 16) to have been due, among other causes, to its worshiping the host of heaven. But the kingdom of Judah in its later period seems to have out-done the Northern Kingdom in star-worship. Of Manasseh it is related that he built altars to all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of Yhwh, and it seems that it was the practise of even kings before him to appoint priests who offered sacrifices to the sun, the moon, the planets, and all the host of heaven. Altars for star-worship were built on the roofs of the houses, and horses and chariots were dedicated to the worship of the sun (ib. xxi. 5; xxiii. 4-5, 11-12). Star-worship continued in Judah until the eighteenth year of Josiah's reign (621 B.C.), when the king took measures to abolish all kinds of idolatry (ib.). But although star-worship was then abolished as a public cult, it was practised privately by individuals, who worshiped the heavenly bodies, and poured out libations to them on the roofs of their houses (Zeph. i. 5; Jer. viii. 2, xix. 13). Jeremiah (vii. 18) describes the worship of the queen of heaven to have been more particularly common among the women. Ezekiel, who prophesied in the sixth year of the captivity of Jehoiachin (591 B.C.), describes the worship of the sun as practised in thecourt of the Temple (Ezek. viii. 16 et seq.), and from Jer. xliv. 17 et seq. it may be seen that even after the destruction of the Temple the women insisted on continuing to worship the queen of heaven. In Job (xxxi. 26 et seq.) there is an allusion to the kissing of the hand in the adoration of the moon (see Moon, Biblical Data). According to Robertson Smith ("The Religion of the Semites," p. 127, note 3, Edinburgh, 1889), star-worship is not of great antiquity among the Semites in general, nor among the Hebrews in particular, for the latter adopted this form of idolatry only under the influence of the Assyrians. But Fritz Hommel ("Der Gestirndienst der Alten Araber," Munich, 1901) expresses the opposite opinion. He points to the fact that the Hebrew root which denotes the verb "to swear" is the same as that which denotes "seven," and claims that this fact establishes a connection between swearing and the seven planets; and he furthermore declares that there are many Biblical evidences of star-worship among the ancient Hebrews. Thus, the fact that Terah, Abraham's father, had lived first at Ur of the Chaldees, and that later he settled at Haran (Gen. xi. 31), two cities known from Assyrian inscriptions as places of moon-worship, shows that Abraham's parents were addicted to that form of idolatry. According to legend, Abraham himself worshiped the sun, moon, and the stars before he recognized the true God in Yhwh (see Abraham in Apocryphal and Rabbinical Literature). The golden calf, Hommel declares, was nothing more than an emblem of the moon-god, which, in the Assyrian inscription, is styled "the youthful and mighty bull" and the lord of the heavenly hosts (comp. "Yhwh Ẓeba'ot," which term is intentionally omitted from the Pentateuch). He assigns the same character to the two calves made by Jeroboam several centuries later (I Kings xii. 28).

The ancient Hebrews, being nomads, like the Arabs favored the moon, while the Babylonians, who were an agricultural nation, preferred the sun. But, as appears from Ezek. xx. 7-8, the moon-worship of the Israelites, even while they were still in Egypt, was combined with sun-worship. The close similarity between the ancient Hebrews and the southern Arabs has led Hommel furthermore to find allusion to moon-worship in such Hebrew names as begin with "ab" (= "father"), as in "Abimelech" and "Absalom," or with "'am" (= "uncle"), as in "Amminadab" and "Jeroboam," because these particles, when they appear in the names of southern Arabs, refer to the moon.

The term "star-worship" ("'abodat kokabim u-mazzalot") in the Talmud and in post-Talmudic literature is chiefly a censor's emendation for "'abodah zarah." In connection with star-worship, it is related in the Mishnah ('Ab. Zarah iv. 7) that the Rabbis ("zeḳenim") were asked if God dislikes idolatry why He did not destroy the idols. The Rabbis answered: "If the heathen worshiped only idols perhaps God would have destroyed the objects of their adoration, but they worship also the sun, the moon, the stars, and all the host of heaven, and God can not destroy the world on account of the heathen." "

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Star-Worship (Astrolatry, Sabaism)

"The sun, moon, planets and stars have been worshipped as gods in a number of cultures. Star-worship evolves from the awe felt at the beauty, regularity, mystery and power of the heavenly bodies (especially of the sun) and in response to their effect, real or imagined, on terrestrial and human life. The sun and moon, in particular, are perceived as the givers of time (time being measures by their motions) and the sun as the regulator of the cycle of the seasons. Star-worship usually accompanies, indeed triggers, the early development of astronomy and calendrics and sanctions the parallel growth of Astrology. This was certainly so in Mesopotamia in the last two millennia bce [10: i–iii] and in Central America among the Maya [9: v]. Star-worship probably underlies the prehistoric megalithic astronomical sites of northern Europe [9: ii–iii; e.g. Stonehenge] and similar sites in North America [9: iv; e.g. the Big Horn medicine wheel]. From Mesopotamia star-worship passed into Graeco-Roman culture [6]. Sun-worship became, in the 3rd century ce, something of an official religion in the Roman empire, contemporary ideology seeing in the divine emperor (Emperor-worship) a terrestrial counterpart of the sun as sovereign of the universe. At the same time Mithras was worshipped as a solar god (see Mithraism) and his mysteries incorporated much arcane astral lore."

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