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Jonah in the Whale for 3 days

"One example of typology is the story of Jonah and the whale from the Old Testament. Medieval allegorical interpretation of this story is that it prefigures Christ's burial, with the stomach of the whale as Christ's tomb. Jonah was eventually freed from the whale after three days, so did Christ rise from his tomb after three days. Thus, whenever one finds an allusion to Jonah in Medieval art or literature, it is usually an allegory for the burial and resurrection of Christ. Another common typological allegory is with the four major Old testament prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel. These four prophets prefigure the four Apostles Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. There was no end to the number of analogies that commentators could find between stories of the Old Testament and the New." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_i ... iddle_Ages)

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"Jonah Incredibly, many people have believed the biblical tale of Jonah and the whale to be true. The fact that this belief can be rationalized, particularly since those selfsame believers roundly dismiss the "absurd" stories of other cultures, is am example of conditioning and cultural bias. In reality, the story of Jonah is itself found in other cultures, as Walker elaborates:

"Jonah's whale is described in the Bible as a "fish," because writers of that period (and for many centuries afterward) were unaware that whales are mammals. The whale of the original Jonah story was the Babylonian Sea Goddess Derceto, "The Whale of Der," who swallowed and gave rebirth to the god Oannes ... Swallowing by the whale indicates an initiation rite, leading to rebirth. The Finnish hero Ilmarinen was similarly swallowed by a giant fish to be re- born. A variant of the story shows that the fish was really a womb ... Biblical writers masculinized the image as Jonah, whose name means "Dove." The word ionah or ione may have descended from yoni, for the dove was a primary symbol of female sexuality."

"Far from being literal, the tale of Jonah is astrological, as "Jonah" in the "belly of the whale" for three days represents the sun in the "womb" of the earth. These three days are the "entombment" of the sun in darkness, nightly but also during the time between a new and old moon, as the "whale" is also the "moon-fish...."

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In the southern hemisphere, there is the constellation Cetus, the whale. The sun(Jonah) would float down south, where the whale would swallow the sun for three days, then seem to remerge from the Whale's belly.


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LOL, That's fantastic Tabby - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetus

Is this an Aussie or an Aboriginal thing? What time period in the year did this take place? The Egyptians and Phoenicians were huge travelers and there have been Egyptian finds in Australia and mummified kangaroos in Egypt. I'd love to look into this some more. Please share any sources you have for this.

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Freethinkaluva22 wrote:
LOL, That's fantastic Tabby - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetus

Is this an Aussie or an Aboriginal thing? What time period in the year did this take place? The Egyptians and Phoenicians were huge travelers and there have been Egyptian finds in Australia and mummified kangaroos in Egypt. I'd love to look into this some more. Please share any sources you have for this.


Not for sure when it originated. my source is on the old computer that crashed. All the bible stories are about the heavens(sky), so when Dec. 21 would roll around, the sun seemed to go in Cetus for three days. It must have been Egyptian or long before. Since man first came from Africa, no telling when that story began.


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Been wondering - why is the sun described as being in darkness for three days, does it stay below the horizon in some parts of the world?


"These three days are the "entombment" of the sun in darkness, nightly but also during the time between a new and old moon, as the "whale" is also the "moon-fish...."


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    This is definitely burial and resurrection. Louis Ginzberg's Legend of the Jews records Joseph also 3 days and 3 nites in pit. Therefore believed dead but miraculously resurrected in font of his brothers.
    All Saturnian/Osirian images as planet Saturn which is Osiris also died - i.e became invisible, became visible again after 3 days after which he ascended into the heavens, as did Ra.
    Jesus intended to bring back Kingdom of Heaven i.e Golden Age of Osiris/Ra/Saturn by imitating above thru "crucifixion" & resurrection after 3 ds and 3 nites. The Friday crucifixion is a fallacy as in no way conceivable can one count 3 ds & 3 nites there.
    Clue is in Gospel of John "that following day was a Great day" i.e. the Sabbath of the Passover. Intricate calculations for placing that annual Sabbath in the passover week forbid it falling on a weekly sabbath or a Friday. Crux took therefore place on a Wednesday with the Annual High Day/Sabbath on Thursday.
    Sequence of women working on spices and resting fits it perfectly, as well as the very unusual Greek contruct in Matth 28:1 which has Sabbaths plural i.e. after the weekly and the anuual Sabbaths.
    Unfortunately for Jesus, although getting the prophesied period correct, his sympathetic magic didn't work on that occasion.


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Matthew 12:40 - "For just as JONAH WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE SEA MONSTER, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

I've made some calculations with SNPro, both in Jerusalem and Rome, and the standstill of the sun at the bottom is really 3 days...

The three days of Sun standstill at the Winter Solstice (Christmas)

Azimuth of the Sun at Sunrise, Year 1 AD



From Jerusalem
16 December - 117.24
17 December - 117.27
18 December - 117.30
19 December - 117.33
20 December - 117.35
21 December - 117.36
22 December - 117.37
23 December - 117.37
24 December - 117.37

25 December - 117.36
26 December - 117.34
27 December - 117.32



From Rome
16 December - 121.31
17 December - 121.36
18 December - 121.39
19 December - 121.42
20 December - 121.44
21 December - 121.46
22 December - 121.47
23 December - 121.47
24 December - 121.47

25 December - 121.45
26 December - 121.44
27 December - 121.41

Calculations made with Starry Night Pro Plus v.6.2.3


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Hey! Good info. So it's not just a 'perceived' standstill. The sun actually 'astronomically' stands still. Can't get my head round why this should be the case but good to know :)

Does this hold true for 2000BC and 2009 I wonder?

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vega wrote:
Hey! Good info. So it's not just a 'perceived' standstill. The sun actually 'astronomically' stands still. Can't get my head round why this should be the case but good to know :)


No, the sun continues moving....it's just that the movements are below 1/100 of a degree, so they are just not measurable (at least not at the time). Here are the data with 3 more digits:

Jerusalem 1 AD
17 December - 117° 27.837'
18 December - 117° 30.927'
19 December - 117° 33.390'
20 December - 117° 35.388'
21 December - 117° 36.763'
22 December - 117° 37.524'
23 December - 117° 37.695'
24 December - 117° 37.337'

25 December - 117° 36.381'
26 December - 117° 34.826'
27 December - 117° 32.676'


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Does this hold true for 2000BC and 2009 I wonder?


Yes:

Jerusalem 2000 BC
1 January - 117° 48.932'
2 January - 117° 51.190'
3 January - 117° 52.859'
4 January - 117° 54.004'
5 January - 117° 54.554'
6 January - 117° 54.577'

7 January - 117° 53.940'
8 January - 117° 52.776'
9 January - 117° 51.097'
10 January - 117° 48.762'
11 January - 117° 45.896'



Jerusalem 2009 AD
17 December - 117° 13.259'
18 December - 117° 15.547'
19 December - 117° 17.321'
20 December - 117° 18.428'
21 December - 117° 19.079'
22 December - 117° 19.067'
23 December - 117° 18.531'

24 December - 117° 17.401'
25 December - 117° 15.680'
26 December - 117° 13.435'
27 December - 117° 10.589'


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Thanks for clarification...

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tabby7 wrote:
In the southern hemisphere, there is the constellation Cetus, the whale. The sun(Jonah) would float down south, where the whale would swallow the sun for three days, then seem to remerge from the Whale's belly.


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Can you see Cetus from the Nazca Lines tabby?
The Polynesians used the starry heavens to navigate the open oceans long before even the Phoenicians?
Polynesian ancestors maybe traveling to an ice free Antarctic?
Antarctic or Atlantis?
Polynesians arriving on the western shores of the Americas?
Peruvian cocaine found in Egyptian mummies?

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Polynesian mattang, was an ancient navigation tool, and it fits nicely over the Knights Templar Square found in Pompeii?
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Cool thing about the Templar Magic Square is different shapes manifest depending on the letters used...
i.e. the above image on the right is arrived at simply by spelling AEON four times.
4 Aeons = 4 Ages?

Would an ancient navigation tool serve an empire OR be a secret worth preserving 2000+ years ago?
1600 years before Europe coming out of the dark ages, with a vengeance. :twisted:

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tat tvam asi the last image is for you...that Templar Cross on the wheel is a code in Prime Numbers.
What Coral FLYWHEEL is esoterically connected to a code laid down using PRIME NUMBERS?

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tabby7 wrote:
In the southern hemisphere, there is the constellation Cetus, the whale. The sun(Jonah) would float down south, where the whale would swallow the sun for three days, then seem to remerge from the Whale's belly.


Now as a theologian and an astronomer..I really like that!!!

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Jonah and the Whale as Solar Mythology

Further explanation of the biblical tale of Jonah being swallowed by a whale/fish, which is obviously not historical but is, in fact, a well-known solar myth.

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...Several myths and legends told of a hero being swallowed by a sea monster. Almost all of them have some parallel to Jonah's story. The sun myth pictured the descending sun in the west as being swallowed by a monster only to reappear in the east. It was known in Persia and in Egypt. Jonah's parallel is that he travels west, is swallowed in the west, and returns in the darkness of the fish's belly to appear in the east. But if this myth had any influence on Jonah's author, he has changed it completely. Now it takes place in history, with natural creatures in the roles, and testifies to the authority of God's word and will over creation and human history. (John D. Watts, The Books of Joel, Obadiah, Jonah, Nahum, Habakkuk and Zephaniah, Cambridge University Press, 1975:82)

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Research into the book of Jonah has postulated different phases of a prehistory of the narrative. In a sun myth the sun is swallowed up by the western part of the sea and then rises again. This myth is "historicized and re-neutralized in Jonah, as...Jonah replaces the sun and the 'great fish' plays the role of the sea." On other than, the period of time Jonah stayed in the belly of the fish suggests a moon myth, and calls to mind, among other things, Inanna's descent into the underworld. The "great fish" recalls the sea monster in the story of Heracles and Perseus, who went into the innermost parts of the monster, killed it, and then came out into the light again. Wolff thinks this Greek saga is "the bridge between the sun myth and the Jonah narrative; the sun becomes the legendary hero who came out of the sun, and the sea becomes the sea monster. (G. Johannes Botterweck, Helmer Ringgren, eds. Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament, Volume 3, Wm. B. Eerdmans, 1975:138)

I would add to the Botterweck analysis that the three-day period is also solar and well known as such. That being said, ancient myths more often than not have more than one meaning, and heroes frequently were solar, lunar and stellar in nature, among other attributes.

It appears that "Jonah" is the biblical remake of the ancient Babylonian solar-fish god Oannes, who rose out of the sea to bring wisdom to mankind. His name in the Greek Old Testament or Septuagint ("LXX") is Ιωνας Ionas, similar to Ὡάννης Oannes, the Greek name of the Babylonian Adapa.

Whale or Fish?

The debate about the "whale" meaning of the original Hebrew דג dag brings up an interesting element. To wit, the root word is דגה dagah, which means:

"(Qal) to multiply, increase" and "to cover... to cover over; hence to be dark," evidently reflecting the "multitude and plenty covering over every thing...."

This definition also reflects a solar connection, with the darkening aspect. It is these sort of qualities that the ancients looked for and perceived, weaving them into their myths.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lex ... 1711&t=KJV

Most English Bibles render the term דג dag as "fish," but the impression of a whale evidently comes from the Greek Old Testament or Septuagint, with its rendering of κήτει μεγάλῳ ketei megalo, the latter word meaning "big."

Κήτει or κῆτος ketos means "abyss" or "sea monster," precisely as we would expect of a myth from a Mediterranean culture, since the sea was viewed with great reverence and terrible awe.

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/mor ... &prior=kai\

The Greek word κῆτος ketos is cetus in Latin, which serves as the basis for "cetacean," which, of course, includes whales. Hence, we see where this tradition comes from.

In any event, there are many myths about gods - largely solar - battling with sea monsters and leviathans or other terminology. I discuss these in depth in my book Did Moses Exist? The Myth of the Israelite Lawgiver:

http://DidMosesExist.com

Jonah and the Whale is an ancient SUN myth

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