Dead Sea Scrolls prove the Bible unoriginal
Over the years, news items have circulated about how “hints” and “insights” contained in the original texts among the famous Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in caves near the ancient site of Qumran can be found in the Bible. In other words, certain ideas in the scrolls also appear in the New Testament, meaning, of course, that the impression of Christianity as a “divine revelation” appearing whole cloth miraculously from the very finger of God is clearly erroneous.
Few scholars today claim that any of the Dead Sea Scrolls (“DSS”) date to the time after Christianity was allegedly founded by a “historical” Jesus in the first century of the common era. Indeed, it is agreed that most of the scrolls pre-date the turn of the era and that none of them show any knowledge of Jesus Christ or Christianity.
“They speak of a Teacher of Righteousness and a pierced messiah, of cleansing through water and a battle of light against darkness.
“But anyone looking to the Dead Sea Scrolls in search of proof, say, that Jesus of Nazareth was the messiah presaged by the prophets, or that John the Baptist lived among the scroll’s authors, will be disappointed.”
In my book The Christ Conspiracy, I demonstrate that Christianity is an amalgam of the many religions, sects, cults and brotherhood traditions of the Mediterranean and beyond. One of the major influences on Christianity is that of Jews, obviously, including those mentioned in the New Testament, i.e., the Pharisees and Sadducees. Ancient Jewish historian Josephus also mentions the sect of the Essenes, who are traditionally associated with Qumran, in a “by default” argument. However, scholar Solomon Schecter – who discovered a scroll at Cairo that was later found at Qumran – points to a heretical sect of Sadducees or Zadokites, as they are called in both the Bible and DSS. In The Christ Conspiracy, I discuss this Zadokite origin of the DSS and this group’s obvious influence on the New Testament.
What this rumination all means, of course, is that Christianity is, as I contend in my books, largely unoriginal, representing not fresh and new “divine revelation” but, again, the amalgamation of not only the ideas of the Zadokite authors of the Dead Sea Scrolls but also influences from the Essenes, Jews, Samaritans and many others.
To understand how the Dead Sea Scrolls influenced early Christianity, just turn to the New Testament.
Take, for example, the Great Isaiah Scroll, a facsimile of which is on display as part of the Milwaukee Public Museum’s Dead Sea Scrolls exhibit. Written around 125 B.C. and the only scroll to emerge virtually intact from the caves at Qumran, its messianic message is quoted in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, John and Luke, the earliest of which wasn’t written until around A.D. 65.
The scrolls’ so-called “Son of God” text reads much like the story of the Annunciation in the Gospel of Luke. And the Scrolls’ “Blessing of the Wise” echoes the beatitudes of Matthew’s Sermon on the Mount….
This early dating of the gospels, it should be noted, is based only on the a priori assumption that the story they relate is at least partially true in recounting a “historical” Jesus who truly walked the earth at the time he is claimed in the gospels themselves. There is no external evidence whatsoever for the existence of any canonical gospel at this early a date. In fact, the canonical gospels as we have them do not show up clearly in the historical record until the end of the second century.
Moreover, the Sermon on the Mount – supposedly the original monologue straight out of the mouth of the Son of God Himself – can be shown to be a series of Old Testament scriptures strung together, along with, apparently, such texts from Qumran. No “historical” founder was necessary at all to speak these words, as they are a rehash of extant sayings. (Even in this patent literary device the gospels cannot agree, as Luke 6:17-49 depicts the Sermon as having taken place on a plain.)
It is easy to see why the Catholic Church would blanche upon the discovery of these scrolls, as it could be – and has been – argued that these texts erode the very foundation of Christianity. It appears that this news, however, when released slowly has little affect on the mind-numbing programming that accompanies Christian faith.
The bottom line is that the existence of the Old Testament and the intertestamental literature such as the Dead Sea Scrolls shows how Christianity is a cut-and-paste job – a fact I also reveal in The Christ Conspiracy, in a chapter called “The Making of a Myth,” which contains a discussion of some of the texts obviously used in the creation of the new faith. These influential texts evidently included some of the original Dead Sea Scrolls, serving not as “prophecy,” “prefiguring” or “presaging” but as blueprints of pre-existing, older concepts cobbled together in the New Testament.
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Christianity in the Aquarian Age
Religion ultimately arises from humanity’s need to make sense of the realm we find ourselves immersed within. To this end observation of the patterns and cycles of existence revealed influential relationships between Earth and the heavens.
Add to this the quietude and simplicity of an earlier existence where one who listened would hear the music of the spheres and/or that quiet inner voice and inner vision… something we now seek to recapture despite the buzz of our modern lives.
The ancients knew of the nature of existence as it was a reflection of themselves.. Thoth or Hermes’ “As is above so below” here comes to mind. Ths wisdom was and is still taught in schools once known as Mystery Schools.. those initiated were those who had rid themselves of base desire and had refined their substance to a purity which enabled them to recieve the truth of existence. This teaching was reflected in numerous cultures not limited to Palestine.
The Essenic community at Qumram may have been such a school arising from the Jewish tradition. At the time in Palestine were groups known as Gnostics, who also had their cosmologies and ritual practices. Perhaps Christianity is an amalgam of some of these traditions, over or underlaid by Paul’s mystical revelation on the road to Damascas. Perhaps the florecence of Spiritual Ideas a that time when the Jewish tribes were wrestling with nationhood and Roman domination gave rise to the need to bring the messiah figure to personification.
Reading the Christian New Testament one observes both the inconsistencies within the synoptic Gospels and between these and Paul’s “Christ in You.” This teaching could be an attempt to revise the earlier and universal “Mystery Teaching” of humanity’s oneness with the primal originator…
The obvious inconsistency is the older mysteries insistence on repeated Earthly incarnations against Christianity’s domatized insistence on the redemption in a single lifetime via the blood sacrifice of Calvary.
There is much to consider both from a historical interest viewpoint but more importantly from the viewpoint of how did we get to where we are now and to what extent did Christianity’s hijacking the discussion lead to man’s current ruthless domination of the Earth, including those who’s cultural tradition was/is considered inimical to Western Mercantile (Christian) interests…
and it’s not changed yet as far as I can see.. if there was one such as Jesus of Nazereth and he decided to return I wonder on his comments about the current merchants in the temple?
Greg wrote, …”Christianity’s hijacking the discussion…”
And, …”inimical to Western Mercantile (Christian) interests…”
It seems to me that:
1. There are a lot of Buddhists in the world that would be mystified about Christianity hijacking anything, and
2. as far as Western Mercantile interests go, could we be talking about Jewish mercantilism, much the more powerful kind, than Christian?
RE: SUNS OF GOD
While you can be a great scholar and researcher, you cannot keep ON on debunking other religions as pagan cults. Krishna is and will be be God. Their is ample physical evidence for His existence back in India. and it is very clear Christianity was copied from the writings of Hinduism. Buddha was no pagan or conman. Therefore, you should correct your books accordingly. Jesus was only a holy mortal man and died a natural death just like all the previous holy men in all cultures. Krishna died a physical death and never “resurrected” If you want to debunk Christianity, keep Hinduism and Krishna out of your debunking theories. You may convince your ex-Christian folks, but not us. Hinduism has been the oldest religion on earth, with all your so -called pagan cults and religion copying borrowing and modifying to suit their silly interests.
If you’re talking about me, I obviously disagree with your views as to the historicity of Jesus, Krishna and Buddha. Hence, I will not be changing my books to reflect your opinions.
On the contrary, I will continue to bring forth even more of the massive evidence showing that these individuals were MYTHICAL figures.
“Buddha was no pagan or conman. Therefore, you should correct your books accordingly.”
I have never said Buddha was a “pagan or conman,” so there is no need for me to correct my books.
“Jesus was only a holy mortal man and died a natural death just like all the previous holy men in all cultures.”
There exists no credible, scientific evidence for this claim.
“Krishna is and will be be God. Their is ample physical evidence for His existence back in India.”
That is an expression of faith, not fact. I could just as easily insert the name “Hercules” in your contentions here – and then I could insist that everyone stop talking about Hercules as if he were a myth. There certainly is NOT “ample physical evidence” for the existence of a blue-skinned, superhuman Indian man who is the eternal Lord of the cosmos.
“Krishna died a physical death and never ‘resurrected.'” That is a matter of semantics, since he clearly is alive again after dying physically – you just said he is the eternal God of the universe. He is therefore ALIVE after dying – that’s a form of “resurrection.” Whether or not he occupied a physical body again is immaterial, although, according to Hindu tradition, he/Vishnu will certainly be born again into a new body with the coming Kalki avatar.
If you do not enjoy reading my work exposing these facts, you are welcome not to read it. It is apparent from your comments that you have not even read it in the first place.
Others may appreciate knowing the facts about religion, rather than being intimidated by believers in the supernatural.
Thank you.
P.S. Hindus do not own any religion, including that of the figure called Krishna. I am a member of the human species and can avail myself of knowledge from any culture. I am also a free person, which means I can share that knowledge with others. Thank you.
Essene Luminarys
I was wondering if you could help me find out about a luminary man who was some kind of messianic essene who lived around 3bc
Thanks for the query. I’m not sure who would have been called an “Essene” at that point. The individuals in the Dead Sea scrolls are called “Zadokites.”
Josephus speaks about the Essenes, so perhaps you will want to search in his works.
I’m sorry, but do you have faith in that claim? The chair you may or not be sitting in at this very moment, do you have FAITH it will hold you? You certainly have quite substantial faith in your view that those great historical figures were myths. For someone who bashes people with faith, you sure have a lot of it.
Humm, I see that you are the Administrative Assistant/Athletic Director at the Heartland Christian School. “Faith,” is simply belief without credible evidence, which is what Christianity is all about – if there were any valid evidence to substantiate the claims there would be no need for faith.
One doesn’t need any faith to sit in a chair that actually exists and one has sat in many times before. But what gets me is that you are replying to Acharya who was responding to Harry who was trying to make a case for Krishna as a historical god – are you saying that you agree?
If religion means so much to some & it does – then so too should accuracy, integrity & honesty but, that’s not the case at all is it. Religious leaders just make up whatever crap they choose with zero evidence to back it up. We are fascinated with religion, its history & evolution over time based on the best most valid evidence we have and it just so happens that throughout human history no credible evidence has ever substantiated a single miracle or extraordinary claim plus the fact that there’s no credible evidence that the biblical Jesus ever existed.
If you disagree then simply provide credible evidence for Jesus – you would be the very first person throughout all history to ever do such a thing. It would be awesome to have the issue settled once and for all and maybe Jesus would even give you a gold star for doing what god, jesus, the bible and the very first christians could not do – provide credible evidence to substantiate your extraordinary claims. Good luck
“What is an atheist? An atheist is a person who does not believe in the existence of a god, i.e., in the existence of a supernatural being. Why doesn’t the atheist believe in a god? Quite simply, because belief in a god is unreasonable. Can the atheist prove that a god does not exist? The atheist need not ‘prove’ the nonexistence of a god, just as one who does not believe in magic elves, fairies, and gremlins does not have to prove their nonexistence. A person who asserts the existence of something assumes the burden of proof. The theist, or god-believer, asserts the existence of a god and must prove the claim. If the theist fails in this task, reasonable people will reject the belief as groundless. Atheists do not believe in a god because there is no reason they should. But haven’t philosophers proved the existence of a god? No. All such attempts have failed. Most philosophers and theologians now concede that belief in a god must rest on faith, not on reason. Then why not accept the existence of a god on faith? Because to believe on faith is to defy and abandon the judgment of one’s mind. Faith conflicts with reason. It cannot give you knowledge; it can only delude you into believing that you know more than you really do. Faith is intellectually dishonest, and it should be rejected by every person of integrity.”
– “Atheism” by George H. Smith, 62-3
“I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”
– Sir Stephen Henry Roberts, Historian (1901-71)
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Krishna is and will be God …
It’s funny that statement made as a fact that Krishna is and will be God. First of all, there is no historical and archaeological evidence that Krishna existed. In India, they have tried to attach a city found in Arabian sea around Gujarat/Kutchh area as Dwarika. In all practicality it is impossible for a huge army in the proportion of that is mentioned in Mahabharat can travel 1000 miles to Kurukshetra in North India. Besides Kurukshetra being such a small place cannot be a battlefield of such battle in which million or so of war force (including army, chariots, animals like horses, elephants).
Coming back to Christianity, although I may not disagree with some of the valid points raised by your studies to be of real concerns but religion is a matter of faith. As in Hebrews 11, it says ‘Faith is substance of things hoped for and evidence of things not seen.’
Now that I have seen my faith in operations, I do not doubt my religion. I may not understand everything, I may have answers for everything, but I don’t have to because if I do have answers for everything for everything, I will be like God. In this world, I do not have answers for everything like if I am not well, my doctor diagnoses and gives me medicine, I trusts him and take it. I can bet, my doctor doesn’t know everything about that medicine including and not limiting to all the chemical compounds and their values, their longtime side affects etc. Every six months, scientists come out with the new findings about the same thing example: coffee is good for your health. If you would look at the studies in last 5 years, you will find varied results and opinions. Which one you’re going to believe?
Jesus gives me peace, healing, guides me. What else I need?
How does Jesus give you peace, healing and guide you when he himself did not exist. Even if he did exist he said he is not here for peace but to make war. Faith is basically wishful thinking. if you get lucky like win something then it is Jesus., if you get better although taking medication doctors gave to you then it is Jesus who healed you, If you have some bad luck then it is for some higher purpose or something even better that Jesus has for you. I could go on and on. I am sure you have a brain and can think. Just think of what is going on and ask yourself is this at all possible?? I don’t think so. From the beginning of the bible to the very end there are literally thousands of contradictions.
Keith pointed out that Jesus “came to make war”… think about it, what has been the cause of ongoing war? Religion, pride, and greed- together as an unholy “trinity”… the human mind is so easily hypnotized, brainwashed, and manipulated within ANY culture- if history proves anything at all, it is that. Hail to rational beings that seek truth as it proves itself whilst we seek it out, having Faith that we will have the courage to accept it for what it proves to be- the fact is NO god has proven to be a god as none of them bothered to show up… the reality remains that madness has instead.
I assume you need science as that informs your doctor, otherwise you would just use faith, perhaps pray, and good luck with that if you ever get seriously ill. THINK. Read back over your comment. Can you not see how faith offers no explanations, no truths, no sense?
Harry, I am a peaceful man who respects everyone’s opinion, even if I don’t agree with it. Some things you state I agree with but others I don’t. I am a Catholic. I believe in God.
My question to you would be this; when you die like we all will someday, if you find that there is a Christian God & you were wrong in your beliefs, What would you say to him? I have a friend who is somewhat of an atheist & is writing a book on this very topic. Just curious.
If Jesus didn’t exist, why is he referenced in ancient non-Christian sources?
First, both Josephus and Lucian indicate that Jesus was regarded as wise.
Second, Pliny, the Talmud, and Lucian imply He was a powerful and revered teacher.
Third, both Josephus and the Talmud indicate He performed miraculous feats.
Fourth, Tacitus, Josephus, the Talmud, and Lucian all mention that He was crucified. Tacitus and Josephus say this occurred under Pontius Pilate. And the Talmud declares it happened on the eve of Passover.
Fifth, there are possible references to the Christian belief in Jesus’ resurrection in both Tacitus and Josephus.
Sixth, Josephus records that Jesus’ followers believed He was the Christ, or Messiah. And finally, both Pliny and Lucian indicate that Christians worshipped Jesus as God!
Bob death doesn’t exist in Christian beliefs, they are in total denial of it. Even if you go to Hell you’re still not dead. Fear can drive people quite insane.
Dead Sea Scrolls stolen by IOF
No doubt the zionist thieves want to discredit Christianity, as well as Islam. They stole the Dead Sea Scrolls from Jordan. Jordan wants them back. Meanwhile, the zionists are making money on the display of these scrolls in Canada, and other tours……
So, you don’t like Christians? Maybe you don’t like Moslems? Maybe you only like Jews?
What is it you are trying to prove? That Israel has any claim to the Dead Sea Scrolls? Forget it, they stole it, plain and simple.
I don’t trust you. People so intent on an agenda, esp one of such a political nature are suspect.
Jesus is Lord of Lords Kings of Kings……
If you want, search for truths.. I think you should not rule out myths… Jesus is a great teacher a Friend a Brother a great King….
JESUS is the I AM…the SON of GOD….if anybody denies these truths they are GOD’s enemies and will be cast into the lake of fire
In a really loving way, presumably…
Now THAT’s the kind of god I want! Mean, miserable, and unforgiving.
Lake of Fire? LAKE OF FIRE? Hahahahahahahaha!!! HAHAHAhahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
“Nelson
May 3, 2016 at 12:49 am
Now THAT’s the kind of god I want! Mean, miserable, and unforgiving.”
Nelson I completely agree with you. Who wants to worship much less acknowledge the existence of a Mean, Miserable and Unforgiving God. What a drag that would be.
Yet while I agree with you on this point, your reply to the comments above in this text begs the question as to where you believe that the Christian God fits into that description. Last time I read the bible I found a completely different God being portrayed.
Dead Sea Scrolls
The Old Testament points forward to the coming of Christ. What strengthens my faith is the hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of testimonies of sincere people(no drugs/mental health issues), that have had supernatural experiences,(Paul-Road to Damascus), I personally know people who have heard the voice of God, have had visions,dreams,Have witnessed demons in their homes,have heard audible voices in their cars while driving telling them to stop or turn at a certain moment, saving them from head on crashes. MAN has corrupted the world as always, and when I say man, I mean the selfishness of man and when Christ returns, those responsible will be punished if they don’t repent and live by the laws of God! Let’s face it the so-called “Christian” churches of today are not Christian at all. The largest of all Roman Catholicism is probably the least Christian of all. If people knew their history AND their bible, they would know that it is nothing but Babylonian sun worship/Pagan Roman god with a thin veneer of Christianity on top to decieve people. That’s not to say that there aren’t true Christians within that church that God will “sift” out when He returns. We can also toss the FAKE, GREEDY televangelists that preach the prosperity messege and live in luxury. As the bible says,”narrow is the gate that leads to Heaven.”
To Jeff :
“I personally know people who have heard the voice of God, have had visions,dreams,Have witnessed demons in their homes,have heard audible voices in their cars while driving telling them to stop or turn at a certain moment, saving them from head on crashes.”
This is not proof that Christianity and the Bible have relevance to reality. There are numerous other explanations for the phenomenons you speak of.
James Randi will give a million dollars for anything supernatural.
“That God will ‘sift’ out”? SIFT OUT? Hahahahahahahaha!!! HAHAHAhahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
My religion does not support bending the truth, speculating, changing or distorting history. Please respect my religion Arachya!
Since my religion does not support bending the truth, speculating, changing or distorting history either, I cannot help but respect your religion.
Unless, of course, you believe in utter nonsense without a stitch of credible, scientific proof, and now are pretending that your FALSE religion is all of the righteous things above. In such case, I most assuredly do NOT respect your religion.
YHVH
Yeah Well No One Here Agrees With Your Dark Blinded Opinion That The Scrolls Don’t Talk About Yahshua When They Clearly Do!!!!
The DSS most definitely do NOT speak of any “Yahshua,” except for the Joshua of the Old Testament. Insulting me with mindless nonsense will not change that fact.
If you have any other evidence, please provide it. Which scroll? Quotes and original Hebrew would be preferable.
Otherwise, please stop wasting our time with hate speech and false claims.
The point
Rather than studying if the bible is real, maybe you should spend more time on figuring out why we need to be reminded about what its all about…one reason is that life is short, life is hard, and people need kindness, and happiness in a cruel world…we need to feel that those we love that are deceased are out there waiting for us, we also need a reason not to take advantage of freewill, and even though we know that there might be consequences for actions in the real world, it still is not enough…necessity is the mother of invention
you are talking sh*t.
get an education
you only sold one book.
you were the buyer.
New Insights on Christian Origins
Careful scrutiny of the Dead Sea Scrolls along with Gnostic literature lend to the idea that there were many sects of Judaism spread throughout the Greco Roman world. The historical Jesus was a part of this movement but not its founder ultimately initiating a schism that separated what we think of as Christianity from the extremely conservative Essene sect-he was a real person!-but not a God or miracle worker!-the miracles of the NT (evidence from the DSS indicate which was written in 1st century AD) are metaphorical/symbolic of the changes he made to this dispersed/Gentile version of Judaism which was spreading through the Greco Roman world. For these reasons he was referred to as The Wicked Priest in the DSS, which were written by people who became his enemies.
part of the Controversy of the Scrolls arises two things. 1st from people’s misunderstanding of the inaccuracies of carbon dating and its inability to give a perfect consistent date-however internal analysis reveals it to be from the Herodian period as they criticize marriage practices known to be of the Herods!
2nd-In my opinion there is a struggle between Jewish scholarship and Christian scholarrs-both of which would like to claim the scrolls and discredit the other group-the truth is that 1st century Christianity as well as 1st century Judaism is far more varied its forms than modern thinkers believe.
The world stands on the precipice of a great revolution in thinking in terms of what Christianity was and will become. Most importantly-to deny the existence of a fully human historical Jesus does a great disservice to both the Jewish and Christian legacies.
Joshua/Jesus, aka the samaritan prophet.
It doesn´t take many readings of Josephus to understand that the historical Jesus who was executed by Pilate really was the samaritan prophet. If you take a deeper look at the samaritans and their longing for the return of Joshua/Jesus it makes the above pretty clear.
It takes a lot more reading to understand that the risen Christ story comes from events from the life of James the Just. James the Just is in most ways a much more historical Jesus than the samaritan prophet.
Scholars have “forgotten” to mention this mainly due to the fact that they are more into inventing a historical Jesus to save faith than searching for the truth behind christian mythology.
Christianity more than Fraud
Christianity more than fraud, it is crime against humanity. Jesus was a son of god, that is a Roman god….He was the son of a Jewish ( Hexos) whore named Cleopatra that ruled Egypt on behalf of Amen-Marduk, a leftover extraterrestial from Nibiru. When Hexos rulers (later in the Sinai became the Jews) escaped the mob of rebelling Egyptian who backed Rome to save them from the oppressed rule, Cleopatra committed suicide and her eldest son was smuggled to India and Nepal, he came back to Egypt when he was 30 and found his mission in Palestine to regain what he think it is his rightful kingdom, stolen by the Romans. So with the help of maily Syrians, who needed to weken Rome power in Syria, they promoted him and facked the whole Christianity and Bible thing up. It was Syrians who inserted the well known reference in Josephus about Jesus, a well know fraud. Basically Amen used this Hexos thug Jesus to cease power, which he now finally managed to do. The whole thing was a scam to conquer Rome and ended up for control of earth under the New World Order. You can watch the 23 parts of Secret rulers of the world on Utube and learn all about this Evil Christianity scam.
this article further backs my assumption that an absolute and accurate understanding of the Bible ( and reinterpretations such as the Quran) may likely have all been tainted by man’s need to make “sense of it all” through out the ages.
The current version of the Bible, is that of the included by agreement by (tainted) committee in 4th century…. not any direct correlation to the events 400 yrs earlier…. by scholars that still thought the world was flat… and we are expected to believe it is the final and accurate Word?
So the possibility of cut-n-paste version is not out of the question.
none
Then are ye bastards and not sons. You are crazy to speak against God and His Son Jesus. You will regret your unbelief one day. I jjust hope it won’t be too late.
Repent while you still have time.
Delma
Thank you for the example of Christian hate speech and spiritual terrorism.
Unfortunately for your cause, it is highly unlikely that I or any of my supporters will be terrorized into your cult of the sky-god bogey man waiting to punish us.
How would this sound?
[quote]Then are ye bastards and not sons. [Nice insult, by the way.] You are crazy to speak against [b]Zeus [/b]and His Son [b]Hercules[/b]. You will regret your unbelief one day. I jjust hope it won’t be too late.
Repent while you still have time.[/quote]
What is the difference here? One is a Greek myth and the other a Jewish one. I reject them both as “history,” and I cannot be coerced by fear into believing in either or any other myth.
😉 Thank you so much for standing for light! Where light is darkness leaves. All your hard work is bringing light to some very dark areas for me. Keep up the good work!
But they are both history. The history of mind, of consciousness. Yes?
Acharya the fraud. No true scholar regardless of belief or lack thereof respects her work. As you can see, her supporters are mostly conspiracy theory lunatics with no real education.
Thanks for your opinion, JY, however, highly respected scholars who’ve actually studied Acharya’s work tend to strongly disagree with you:
“Your scholarship is relentless! …the research conducted by D.M. Murdock concerning the myth of Jesus Christ is certainly both valuable and worthy of consideration.”
— Dr. Kenneth L. Feder, Professor of Archaeology
“I find it undeniable that many of the epic heroes and ancient patriarchs and matriarchs of the Old Testament were personified stars, planets, and constellations.” “I find myself in full agreement with Acharya S/D.M. Murdock”
– Dr. Robert Price, Biblical Scholar with two Ph.D’s
“Acharya S has done a superb job in bringing together the rich panoply of ancient world mythology and culture, and presenting it in a comprehensive and compelling fashion.”
—Earl Doherty
“I can recommend your work whole-heartedly!”
—Dr. Robert Eisenman
“I’ve known people with triple Ph.D’s who haven’t come close to the scholarship in Who Was Jesus?”
—Pastor David Bruce, M.Div, North Park Seminary, Chicago, HollywoodJesus.com
“Thirty years ago, when in divinity school, I might have had second thoughts about becoming an Episcopal priest if a book like D. M. Murdock’s Who Was Jesus? had been available to me.”
—Bob Semes, Retired university professor of History and Religion
“Ms. Murdock is one of only a tiny number of scholars with the richly diverse academic background (and the necessary courage) to adequately address the question of whether Jesus Christ truly existed as a walking-talking figure in first-century Palestine.”
—David Mills, Atheist Universe
“Thank you, Acharya, for the important work you are doing. Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of the Christ just might be the best short introduction to Biblical scholarship yet.”
—David Bergland, 1984 Libertarian Party Presidential Candidate
“…I have found her scholarship, research, knowledge of the original languages, and creative linkages to be breathtaking and highly stimulating.”
—Rev. Dr. Jon Burnham, Pastor, Presbyterian Church
“Acharya S deserves to be recognized as a leading researcher and an expert in the field of comparative mythology, on a par with James Frazer or Robert Graves—indeed, superior to those forerunners in the frankness of her conclusions and the volume of her evidence.”
—Barbara Walker, The Women’s Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets and Man Made God
“In recent months or over the last year or so I have interviewed Frank Zindler and Richard Carrier and David Fitzgerald and Robert Price all on the issue of mythicism … when I spoke to these people I asked for their expertise collectively and what I got, especially from Fitzgerald and Robert Price, was that we should be speaking to tonights guest D.M. Murdock, author of ‘Did Moses Exist? The Myth of the Israelite Lawgiver’.”
– Aron Ra
“The Christ Conspiracy—very, very scholarly and wholly researched—is a book for today…”
-Rev. B. Strauss, ex-Catholic Priest
Isaiah 45:7 says;
“I am the Lord and there is none else. I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil; I, Lord, do all these things.”
The “Devil” or Satan , in one sense, is a plural term, just as Elohim, one of the original names of God is. Satan is comprised of all the falllen angels, or gods, and Elohim is comprised of all the heavenly gods, under the communal higher self God.
The other sense of the term Satan is actually the influence of God himself, acting merely as an usher to encourage us to devote our aspirations in a certain direction. Certain uncomfortable planes of conscious do exist possibly purely as chaos beyond order, experienced as a kind of hell, revealed in a kind of prompting fashion, though this should not ever be interpreted as an experience that is eternal. Many planes of consciousness do exist that have the seeming quality of eternitude, and infinitude, but they can be experienced fleetingly one after the other and are not actually “eternal”. Eternal hell is just a bogeyman threat. No loving God would torture people for ever and ever, it would be mindless sadism and it would serve no purpose, all three Abrahamic faiths use this vindictive press gang method and cause much mental illness and physical suffering in the process. I hope that you can gain the confidence to become free from fear of the violent threats of “punishment” promised to those who “stray from the path”. Love love, love beauty, become love, become beauty. mothman777
Isaiah 40:22 says “It is He who sits above the circle of the earth”. Why would Isaiah describe the Earth as a circle if he thought it was flat?
Genesis says God created the heavens and earth, but scientists including Einstein believed that the earth and stars weren’t created, but had always been in existence, with Einstein even basing his theory of General Relativity on this supposition. However, in the 1920’s they discovered that the universe was expanding from a central point as a result of a “Big Bang”… thus creating the Earth and stars. (Einstein had to revise his formula.). Nothing happens without a cause, so what caused The Big Bang?
Isaiah 40:22 says “It is He who sits above the circle of the earth”. Why would Isaiah describe the Earth as a circle if he thought it was flat?
Perhaps because:-
You quote from a book of fiction?
Circles are flat, and round.
Maybe the fictional writer meant sphere?
Genesis says God created the heavens and earth, but scientists including Einstein believed that the earth and stars weren’t created, but had always been in existence, with Einstein even basing his theory of General Relativity on this supposition.
Rubbish!
Nothing happens without a cause, so what caused The Big Bang?
Um, the God (damned-hard-to-find) particle??
That “we” don’t know all the answers (or questions) doesn’t make your sky-god true. Or your emotional over-investment in superstition belief any less repugnant. Especially if you’re one of those “believers” trying to build a moral platform to rail against Muslim extremists who practise barbaric “Sharia” law – laws of the type “Christians” used for centuries (and sometimes still do). The worst of Christians cherry-pick from their “bible” ignoring Deutoronomy, Timothy, and Leviticus when it suits them – until they get one of their Maranatha, missionary, or Crusading urges.
[b]The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ[/b] ([url]http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/originsofchristianity.pdf[/url])
The [i]Thanksgiving Hymns[/i] (1QH) of the Dead Sea Scrolls are dated to between about 25 B.C. and 65 A.D. Thus, for historical and contextual reasons, their most likely author was either Jesus or John the Baptist. But the specific Revelations contained in those Hymns narrows down their authorship to, even more specifically, Jesus; due to the statements of Jesus in the Gospels concerning John.
Of course, Christian theology would collapse were the Revelations in 1QH to be widely understood and acknowledged as having been the original Revelation taught by Jesus; which contradict each and every one of the fundamental doctrines of Christianity.
Michael..If you’ve got the time…
could yoo explain how the said 1QH schroll contradicts the NT? I don’t doubt so, I’m always investigating perceptions of truth so as to form one that stands up to experience, Thank You, sincerely, Joe 💡
historical witnesses
There are other historical witnesses that speak of Jesus and him doing might works. Mostly Roman. They call it a cult or sect and try to convince the reader that the Roman gods are real. But the fact remains Jesus is mentioned and his works.
Mr
More proof that any resemblance between what Jesus is alleged to have intended and the Holy Roman Catholic Church as founded by Emperor Constantine I at the Council of Ncea 325 CE is nilll.
Keep mind open…
For those dis-enthused with the New Testament but still interested in the possibility of some revelation here, I might suggest to have a look at the non-canonical Gospel of Thomas, fully discovered at Nag Hammadi as late as 1944.
There is a good commentary on it, “Beyond Belief” by Elaine Pagels.
Does the reality of the first century really matter more than its message? There are truths that transcend any dogma.
Each of the religious disciplines have their strengths not bound by their liturgies. For me, I feel closer to God when walking in the hills of my Idaho than I ever have in church. It may be something I may have gotten from my Celtic fore bearers.
One should never feel the need to “enlighten” anyone happy in their faith. I sometimes think sociopaths may have had their genesis in the destruction of their world view.
The old testament is a cut and paste job.The flood story comes from gilgamesh.The moses story comes from sargon 1.The idea of a messiah,the idea of ages,the idea of heaven and hell,the idea of final judgement and many others comes from zoroastrianism.
Or this could be a sign that there is one universal God trying to reach his people in forms. I would never be caught saying that one religion is right and the other is wrong (I am Christian). I think God has been trying to reach His people in any way he can, but we keep pushing him back.
I feel you may have that backwards Michael. It is man who has been trying to reach God. Taken as a whole all the God’s have gone.. They left us at the dawn of consciousness and we have been searching for them sense in one religion or another…
the main thesis of the essay above is that the Bible isn’t an ‘original’ document, springing forth fully-formed. it’s a great book, but it isn’t anything new for its time.
in fact, it can be shown that all, literally all, of the stories found in the Bible, from Eden, to Noah, to Jonah, et al., have antecedents in older cultures.
Christian apologists like to refer to the Bible as having been inspired by God, and being the first and last word on everything, but it simply isn’t so. The Bible is a re-collection of already-existing stories.
urantia
worth a googl look.
doesn’t explain everything, but helps fill in a lot of gaps.
especially biblical in nature!
peace
[i]I demonstrate that Christianity is an amalgam of the many religions, sects, cults and brotherhood traditions of the Mediterranean and beyond.[/i]
So this is the reason why God says: you shalt have no other Gods before me.
Christianity is exclusive, not inclusive.
Get this in your numb mind, you are programmed.
If you are a non-believer, that is your problem; but you should not lie.
God Said???
Anonymous, how do you know that ‘god’ said anything? Were you there to hear him speak? No, of course not, so you have read an old book of myths and tall tales and exeggerations and have totally bought into it all, not aware that it is bogus bullsh*t from beginning to end. Christianity IS an amalgam of many other religions and that is clearly seen by any intelligent, well-read person. The Christian religion’s enemy is reason and information and thanks to the internet, Christianity’s days are numbered. Thank goodness for that. Good riddance. To quote a wise man “I live for the day wherein the last stone will fall from the last church on the head of the last priest.”
The Answer
“As to the divinity of Jesus Christ, I feel I shall find the answer after I’m dead, and with much less turmoil.” ~ Benjamin Franklin
essenes
interesting. now do a complete run down on how the fake torah (stolen from ancient tarot- letters transposed) was joined to the plagiarized moses story (sargon1) and his fleeing from egypt just a ripoff from the ancient hyksos myth. then cover the 12 tribes confederate nonsense as most ashkenazim are khazars. NO matrilineal connection to “jewish” blood whatsoever.
then lets explicate the 20th century religious update/mandate, the holocaust- where there werent even six million jews living in europe BEFORE that supposed event.
funny how those historical explorations are not only expunged from the record- they are actionable queries.
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It is time we humans recognized the primitive nature of Christian belief and its inadequacy as a basis for the future of our species.
No doubting thomas
No – it’s time you people stopped trying to convince good Christians that your theories are right. Feel free to believe your own fairly tales that’s your business, I on the other will believe in Christ, particularly as it strikes me as odd how many people go out of their way to convince me he is a myth. I don’t see you putting in the same efforts regarding Satanism or Paganism.
Now we all know everything has an opposite. Let’s take Satan for example who really is his Nemesis? Buddah, Mohammed? No it is Christ, which is why there is such a need by the satan worshipping elite to defile him, mock him or put him down at every turn.
So in answer to your question “Is it time” we turned our back on a primitive faith…..”No it’s not”. You can do as you please and run straight into the arms of the NWO and Satan worship….but I will choose otherwise if you don’t mind.
I pray that you will see the light before it’s too late.
:kiss:
This article is spreading hate against christianit
The New testament has some of the most specially preserved artifacts than any other manuscript. I believe your right and they are spreading the hate. Christianity is the worlds most persecuted religion. yet Christianity has stood the test of time jesus says his words shall not pass. Voltaire a widely known atheist and founder of the protestant reformation & enlightment thinker and philosopher said the bible will be destroyed with a couple hundred years. His own home was turned into a Bible(christian store) The dead sea scrolls disprove islam and atheism. Yet the dead sea scrolls actually promote christianity not deny it. The dead sea scrolls “war scroll” tells of a coming messiah who will defeat the sons of darkness and bring light upon the world. that reminds me of Jesus. Plus it talks about early christianity and how people put faith in god over there rulers. During this time people lost faith in Yahweh….and began to think of a messiah who will save them. The true story of the dead sea scrolls promotes christianity and even predicts it. The people who wrote the dead sea scrolls who aware of a messiah and aware of a loving god who will not leave them even till the end of time. I think satans greatest weapon is making us not believe in god almighty and some of us take this for granted. I don’t want to go to hell. Promote christianity because it is a free world. Die for your faith and you shall be blessed. If someone hurts you and you are unable to defend yourself pray for god to heal you. Jesus is the son of god and the dead sea scrolls prove it and you made a great comment.
Randolph Boyer,
LOL, just because people refuse Christianity’s bigotry and lies does not in any way equal “hate” – I get that YOU HATE those who reject YOUR BIGOTRY but, that is YOUR issue not everybody else’s as even highly respected Christian scholars disagree with you:
God/Jesus is supposed to be the omniscient creator of the universe yet, is incapable of leaving behind VALID evidence of himself, which would:
1 Save Christians from persecution
2 Convince billions more skeptics and Pagans thus, saving more souls, which is what all of this is suppose to be all about, right?
So, either God/Jesus doesn’t give a shit about you or he doesn’t exist. All theistic arguments have failed. If there were any credible evidence, faith, would not be the main requirement. It seems more likely that religion is a human creation with an obsession of ridding the world of non-believers.
At the end of the tribulation, apocalypse and Armageddon, the book of Revelation makes it clear that eventually 2/3rds of the human population will be killed (all non-believers of course = *discrimination*) in what the religious tolerance website called *”the largest mass extermination of humans in history*.”
With 7.4 billion people on the planet right now that’s 5 billion who will be murdered in the ‘End Times’ in the name of Christianity.
What a sweet God you’ve got there (sarcasm). Actually, you are a devotee of a *DEATH CULT*
Even highly respected Christian scholars disagree with you:
“…Christian scholars over the centuries have admitted that … “there are parallels between the Mysteries and Christianity”1 and that “the miracle stories of the Gospels do in fact parallel literary forms found in pagan and Jewish miracle stories,” 2 “…According to Form Criticism the Gospels are more like folklore and myth than historical fact.”3
1. Metzger, HLS, 8.
2. Meier, II, 536.
3. Geisler, CA, 320.
– Who Was Jesus? 259
Here’s what non-biased scholars say about Jesus:
“The only definite account of his life and teachings is contained in the four Gospels of the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. All other historical records of the time are silent about him. The brief mentions of Jesus in the writings of Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius have been generally regarded as not genuine and as Christian interpolations; in Jewish writings there is no report about Jesus that has historical value. Some scholars have even gone so far as to hold that the entire Jesus story is a myth.”
– The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia
“…the stories of the creation, of the flood, of Abraham, of Jacob, of the descent into and the exodus from Egypt, of the career of Moses and the Jews in the desert, of Joshua and his soldiers, of the judges and their clients, are all apocryphal, and were fabricated at a late period of Jewish history.”
– Did Moses Exist? The Myth of the Israelite Lawgiver, page 9, quote from Dr. Inman
The burning of unbelievers during the Inquisition was based on the words of Jesus:
John 15:6 “If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”
– From a former Preacher of 20 years: “Why Jesus?”
http://ffrf.org/publications/freethought-today/item/18409-why-jesus
Is It Blasphemy or Honesty?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/2018/10/is-it-blasphemy-or-honesty/
“…blasphemy is honorable and honest. It’s a duty of thinking people everywhere to express skepticism of supernatural mumbo-jumbo without credible evidence to substantiate the claims. If there were any evidence in support of the claims there would be no need for faith.”
Evangelical Christians Are Sick
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2017/december-web-only/evangelical-christians-are-sick.html
“I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”
– Historian, Sir Stephen Henry Roberts (1901-71)
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A Biblical Jewish Scholar disagrees
Nehemiah Gordan is one of the men who has studied the scrolls and he has written a book on Jesus based on his studies, that totally disagree with this article. In fact he studied a Gospel of Matthew in Hebrew and wrote a book about it called: [i]The Hebrew Yeshua vs. the Greek Jesus [/i] . the author has his facts wrong. Here is a video of Nehemiah discussing it: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2662031810327980639#
A biblical scholar disagrees with WHAT? You haven’t named any specific thing in your dismissive remarks.
[i]The [/i]gospel of Matthew was never in Hebrew, so he could not have studied it in Hebrew. There was a previous sayings gospel attributed to Matthew that was in Hebrew or Aramaic. But to my knowledge it has only been reconstructed from excerpts mentioned in the patristic writings. Anyone can thus study it. What’s your point?
Sorry, but I stand by what I said.
and he disagrees
with the subject we are commenting on…. duh… the article… anything else I can point out to you, like where your nose is located? and I am sorry for you too…
Acharya S.
The commenter is obviously trying to discuss the secret Gospel of Mark and attributed it to Matthew mistakenly. The secret Gospel of Mark was written in Hebrew, which I’m sure your already aware of.
Thanks, John, but again, I think he was talking about the Hebrew/Aramaic “Gospel of Matthew” purportedly referred to by Papias, as quoted by Eusebius two centuries later. (And “they” think WE use secondary and tertiary sources!)
This text has never been shown to have contained anything other than the[i] logia Iesou[/i] or sayings of Jesus. Moreover, it has not been dated to earlier than Papias’s alleged time during the first half of the second century.
The Secret Gospel of Mark ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Gospel_of_Mark[/url]) was, as far as I know, written in Greek, not Hebrew. There is some debate as to whether or not this text is genuinely ancient.
please take the time to check out the scholar
In the extensive scholarly work of Nehemiah Gordon that I posted as a proof against this article , he disproves every word of every comment here. If you really care about the truth. If you really want to know what Jesus said and what he taught, and what language he did it in. I challenge you to listen to the work of Mr. Gordon and quiit dogmatically quoting the errors men have been quoting for years . Mr. Gordon has disproved every one: the use of Aramaic and Greek as the origin of the scriptures and the voice itself of Jesus or his true name Yeshua. Mr Gordon is not being swayed by his love of the Messiah as his belief’s are strictly of a Karaite Jew who is still waiting for Messiah to come. Take the time to learn something as I requested and go to the site http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2662031810327980639# and quit refuting my post by the exact rhetoric the man disproves through this scholarly work and presentation.
do a little bit of research
my friend, if you are truly seeking the truth with a genuine heart, then i would suggest you do a little bit of research. May i suggest starting with books such as “Evidence That Demands a Verdict” By Josh Mcdowell. You will find that the Bible is the most accurate historical document out there, that most scholars who have done the research deem 99.6 % accurate for the New Testament alone. The .04% is based on cultural exactitudes from the time. I pray you will read this book from a former Aetheist, i believe it will help you alot:-) that being said. God Bless 🙂
My friend, derogatory remarks about whether one is seeking with a “genuine heart” are not valid arguments.
I was born into a Christian family and was raised a Christian. I became a born-again Christian decades ago. Fortunately, I found out the truth, which is that the “Jesus Christ” of the New Testament is a fictional composite of characters.
Josh McDowell’s book is ridiculous and has been refuted on many levels. My work itself refutes his book. The Bible most certainly is highly INACCURATE, even in its purported historical details as concerns various kings. Such claims about accuracy are patently false.
I hope Christians are paying attention
The bible belt was largely responsible for re-electing the monster Bush, probably because he was “born again” and also probably because they rely upon the bible and their pastor to tell them what to believe and how to pray. I hope Christians who think that the bible is the word of god uncorrupted and written down correctly will think again, and start reading more books, to educate themselves. Otherwise they have no business voting.
Please do some research on Bohemian Grove….You can see Alex broke in there in 2000 and filmed what was going on in there.
Presidents and world leaders worshiping Lucifer??
Bush was not Christian….Neither have been any of our leaders for the past 120 years, they have all attended Bohemian Grove.
Instead of running around blaming Christians for the Ills of the world maybe you should ask yourself…What in the world are world leaders doing worshiping Lucifer? Lucifer is alive and well and so is Jesus!
Did not Jesus say: “The Father and I are one’? Meet the Father, then explain to me Lucifer or Satan and the relationship of the Father to to all you name: http://www.evilbible.com/ ([url]http://www.evilbible.com/[/url])
It’s inevitable
The bottom line is, we are all in different stages of figuring this mess out. Some are still in the ‘I believe camp’, and thankfully most of us, thx to Acharya S, Gerald Massey, Barbara Walker, Wells, Graves, etc…As more solid evidence emerges the higher our numbers will go. 15% and climbing…those that understand rather than believe.
What Gives?
So the bible contains cultural influences from various civilizations of the time? That does not destroy the message or the truths being expounded within those pages. As Jesus said, ‘let those who have eyes see.’ To question the divinity of Jesus is to truly show your sad lack of spiritual experience or knowledge. The truth is that Jesus is to be experienced and that is the real proof of His existence and continual presence in this world. You truly can’t know the power of the Holy Catholic Faith until the Holy Spirit courses through your body, or you feel the presence of Jesus, or your prayers are answered (one way or the other) or you are sent a dream, a vision or you read the lives of the saint and cultivate a friendship with them and they communicate with you. You cannot know the truth of the faith till you reach out to God and He/She will reach back. The sad fact is that the psychotic Jews and their underlings, like yourself, are constantly attacking Jesus. They control the world and and work for the demonic forces. You are really pathetic and foolish to try to turn people from God and Jesus. You are ingnorant of deeper truths and experiences that go beyond the rational mind. If you were honest, you’d look at what is really happening in the world and stop blaming God or Jesus and tell everyone who is behind the chaos. The Catholic Church has been deliberately infultrated and corrupted so has our government, culture, etc. Christianity has never been more needed than now. A true Christian looks for fellowship with Jesus and finds it! Jesus is the answer.
“You are ingnorant of deeper truths and experiences that go beyond the rational mind”
Typical ignorant statement of a believer.
You are the pathetic and foolish one for trying to make people believe this horsesh*t.
The Catholic Church and the Dope and responsible for more torture and murders than anyone in history just for speaking out against thier so called self imposed authority.
Jonathan Swift said it best: ‘You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place.’
I think, therfore I am
You believe, therfore you dont think
Keep Seeking truthguy
Truthseeker, you couldn’t have picked a worse, more oposing name for yourself unless, that is, you keep seeking and I strongly advise you to do exactly that. To believe in a sky-god-guy who is his own son and had himself killed to appease himself (himselves) is the height of ridiculousness. And, he did all this to ‘save’ people who are born but had already sinned somehow before they were born? Yup, sure, it’s all making sense now! Let’s see now – all this sinning started because the first two humans ate a magic fruit that makes one smart and a talking snake told them to do it. Of course though, since men wrote the stupid book, women are right in there with the snake so as to take the pressure of it all off of men. Sure. And then the son of god, who is really god himself was killed and a whole bunch of graves opened and the streets are filled with zombies, but even that wasn’t enough proof to even convince those who it is said actually saw it all. Funny also how the pastors never preach a sermon about the graves opening. Just too unbelievable for even the naive? Keep seeking, friend.
Insanity
You speak of truth . . . and then you utter baseless insanity. You should stick with what you know . . . imaginary friends and whatnot . . . be honest about it . . . admit you are indulging in feeble-mindedness. Leave the truth to those who respect truth and are willing to support their suppositions with substance. Be honest . . . all you have is a “feeling”.
Truthseeker, I see that you haven’t found truth yet, huh? I don’t need some kind of ridiculous ‘holy spirit’ to help me understand anything. When I read a book, either it makes sense or it doesn’t. I am plenty capable of deciding if this or that book is factual, proveable, peer reviewed by scolars or if it is just malarky and chock-full of crazy, exaggerations, tall tales, and outright lies. You sound like quite an angry guy, but then, what Christian isn’t these days? They tried at first to make others believe their fairy tales by torturing them, then as the ages passed one to the other, they tried fear by theatening folks with the tortured eternally in ‘hell’ and these days they still use the hell thing in a pinch, but mostly resort to lying and twisting their yarns around to somehow try to make them work, but to no avail there neither. Yeah, I guess I can see why they would be angry. It just isn’t working out, no matter the amount of lies or threats and, of course, that is a good thing. Soon religions of all kinds will only be a distant memory.
We are Lucky to Have Christianity at all
The world particularly Europe is very lucky to be predominately Christian. The Moslems tried many times throughout history to take Europe. The Ottomans attempted to invade through Bulgaria and reached the gates of Vienna. The moors occupied Spain and attempted to come up and invade from the south west many times over the centuries. It was only due to Christian forces supported by and protected by the Holy Roman Catholic church which stopped these hordes from taking over Europe and preventing us all from being subjugated to a fate that others suffer from in Muslim countries today. Western Civilization would not exist without the Church, no Art, Music, Sculpture, advancement of the sciences. Islam has tried to invent itself along the lines of Christianity in some sort of primitive Arab form. Many quotations in the Quaran have been pasted out of the bible(Plagarised). I have attempted to read this book. It is a boring badly written book that repeats boring phrases over and over. Mr Allah was very poor at clear thinking and grammar. Furthermore, Mr Mohommed did not perform miracles, walk on water, or come back from the dead. There were far to many witnesses for this not to be the case. Mr Mohommed lays under a big black rock on Mecca rotting in the ground. Horses do not fly into heaven ( Sorry Muslims). We either choose to believe or not, the consequences are of our own doing. I was once an atheist most of my life, but there comes a time in every ones life when you need to
Make a decision on whether you believe or not. The Knights of St John/ The Templars ( who established The temple on the Mount) fought these evil Muslim forces so that we would not be slaves of Islam and their false prophet.
I think both of these religions are barbaric and have torn up the world with their violence and blind faith. I have no interest in either Islam or Christianity… Jesus or Muhammed, but at least one thing can be said: at least Muhammed existed!
Oh? how many times exactly did you meet Jesus again? So, where is your precious science in that? You know, that thing ignorant people love to wave around when they are clueless about the truth. So many of these “non-biased” answers are absolutely ridiculous. To complain about Christianity lack of scientific evidence, then to make such outrageously false and biased answers. Read the Quran, then read the Bible. the Quran, literally asks its follower to kill anyone and everyone outside of their religion to get into heaven. Islamic fathers pour fleshing-burning acid on their disobedient daughters. Christians only way into heaven is to follow Christ and accept him. which entails moral living. Unlike Islam. Whos leader actually acknowledges Jesus as a “prophet.” Have a nice day.
Someone (the Administrative Assistant/Athletic Director at the Heartland Christian School),
Did you know that Islam has killed around 270 million people in its 1,400 year history while Christianity has killed around 250 million people in its 2,000 year history? That’s over half a Billion dead people due to just Islam & Christianity alone. I’m sorry but, those are nothing more than *DEATH CULTS*
LOL, Christianity deserves every bit of mocking and ridicule they get for stealing most of their religious concepts from Paganism and then making Paganism illegal and then converting those concepts into an invented Jesus.
God/Jesus is supposed to be the omniscient creator of the universe yet, is incapable of leaving behind VALID evidence of himself, which would:
1 Save Christians from persecution
2 Convince billions more skeptics and Pagans thus, saving more souls, which is what all of this is suppose to be all about, right?
So, either God/Jesus doesn’t give a shit about you or he doesn’t exist. All theistic arguments have failed. If there were any credible evidence, faith, would not be the main requirement. It seems more likely that religion is a human creation with an obsession of ridding the world of non-believers.
At the end of the tribulation, apocalypse and Armageddon, the book of Revelation makes it clear that eventually 2/3rds of the human population will be killed (all non-believers of course = *discrimination*) in what the religious tolerance website called *”the largest mass extermination of humans in history*.”
With 7.4 billion people on the planet right now that’s 5 billion who will be murdered in the ‘End Times’ in the name of Christianity.
What a sweet God you’ve got there (sarcasm). Actually, you are a devotee of a *DEATH CULT*
Even highly respected Christian scholars disagree with you:
“…Christian scholars over the centuries have admitted that … “there are parallels between the Mysteries and Christianity”1 and that “the miracle stories of the Gospels do in fact parallel literary forms found in pagan and Jewish miracle stories,” 2 “…According to Form Criticism the Gospels are more like folklore and myth than historical fact.”3
1. Metzger, HLS, 8.
2. Meier, II, 536.
3. Geisler, CA, 320.
– Who Was Jesus? 259
Here’s what non-biased scholars say about Jesus:
“The only definite account of his life and teachings is contained in the four Gospels of the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. All other historical records of the time are silent about him. The brief mentions of Jesus in the writings of Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius have been generally regarded as not genuine and as Christian interpolations; in Jewish writings there is no report about Jesus that has historical value. Some scholars have even gone so far as to hold that the entire Jesus story is a myth.”
– The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia
“…the stories of the creation, of the flood, of Abraham, of Jacob, of the descent into and the exodus from Egypt, of the career of Moses and the Jews in the desert, of Joshua and his soldiers, of the judges and their clients, are all apocryphal, and were fabricated at a late period of Jewish history.”
– Did Moses Exist? The Myth of the Israelite Lawgiver, page 9, quote from Dr. Inman
“I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”
– Historian, Sir Stephen Henry Roberts (1901-71)
The burning of unbelievers during the Inquisition was based on the words of Jesus:
John 15:6 “If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”
“The birth of Jesus was heralded with “Peace on Earth,” yet Jesus said, “Think not that I am come to send peace: I came not to send peace but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34) “He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.” (Luke 22:36) “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” (Luke 19:27)”
– From a former Preacher of 20 years: “Why Jesus?”
http://ffrf.org/publications/freethought-today/item/18409-why-jesus
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Hardly
Lame, Joo-ish and absurd.
Not even an interesting attempt.
You must try harder. Perhaps a sprinkling
of Babylonian Talmudic ravings, and a pinch
of “not really dead”, or “never even existed”?
Looking forward to your Tap Dance before The Throne.
The comments made by the writers of this article show their error in thinking. First of all, Daniel 12:10 plainly shows that none of the wicked (lawless) will understand, but the wise will understand. The wise are not the ones who try to discredit the Savior called Yahshua Messiah. Yes, Jesus is Zeus, the Greek sky god. However, Yahshua Messiah, the Son of Yahweh, plainly told us 7 times in the book of John (Yahchanan) alone that His words were not His own, but the words of the Father Yahweh who sent Him. Every word Yahshua ever spoke was taken from the Law (Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, Leviticus and Deuteronomy) and the Prophets (Joshua, or Yahshua through Malachi). Every word the Apostle Paul (Shaul) spoke was taken from the Law and the Prophets, and every word the Apostles wrote or spoke came from the Law and Prophets as well. In fact, Yahshua Messiah said Himself that we are FOOLS if we don’t believe ALL that the Prophets have spoken (Luke 24:25) This is why they are not understanding and claiming the so called ‘New Testament” is a forgery and that Messiah’s sayings are just a string of so called “Old Testament” sayings. First off, there is nothing NEW under the sun, including a New Testament. Its the RENEWED COVENANT that Yahweh made with Moshe (Moses), Abraham and others throughout history that He plainly showed He would make again in Hebrews 10:16. The Old and New Testaments were given those titles by man, not Yahweh. The so called New Testament is merely a continuation of the so called Old Testament, which is really called Book One of The Book of Yahweh. And yes, Yahshau spoke according to the Law and the Prophets. He did not come and form a new religion, nor is Yahshua the Founder of Christianity. Constantine the pagan Roman Sun Worshipper invented Jesus Christ and keeping Sunday as a sabbath in 325 AD. Yahshua merely came telling us to REPENT and get back to keeping the laws taught to us from the beginning. So of course all He spoke was sayings from the so called Old Testament. Its those vey laws and prophecies we need to learn to put our trst in that will help us live! Read Matthew 19:16-19; James 1:21; II Timothy 3:15-17, to name a few. We are promised from Genesis to Revelation that if we keep the Laws, Statutes, and Judgments of Yahweh we will live! See also Ezekiel 18.
Stop listening to people who are not sent by Yahweh to speak the truth to you. Go to the place Yahweh has chosen to place His Name in these last days (Deuteronomy 12:5)….Come out from among the liars and deceived/deceivers.
http://www.yahweh.com
http://www.yisraylhawkins.com
AWESOME RESPONSE Mr. Crouse! As THE WORD OF YAHUAH says, ‘For the things of the Spirit are foolishness to natural man, neither can he know them for they are spiritually discerned. ‘ ALL OF YOU who do not believe, but DO believe in the pagan, Egyptian Babylonian LIES, well Yahuah speaks about you many times, and what HE says is that HE sends to you a strong delusion so that YOU WILL NOT KNOW THE TRUTH BECAUSE you do not know HIM or HONOR HIM. So now you see that the works of the TRUE GOD, NOT the god of this world-satan-THE TRUE GOD YAHUAH knows all about you and your pathetic, idolatrous disdain for the TRUTH. And one day soon, if you don’t wake up and repent of your hatred of HIM, you will lose your life forever! Let go of your EGOS and humble yourself before your CREATOR! Your eternal life depends on it!
DEADSAS SCROOLS AND TRUTH
LOL……It’s funny how there is no mention of the Old Testament being copied from ancient Egyptian texts………As if the Old TestAMENT of the Jews is the end all to the be all….LMAO
Yes yes James, I agree. Both Old and New Testaments are not what they claim to be. However, I personally feel that the Logos works through the written word in strange and mysterious ways. Which is why The Gita, The Koran, The New Bible, The Old Bible, The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, The Tao Te Ching, The Dhammapada, Black Elk Speaks, and many others, can touch our soul, and teach us to come closer to our own divinity within.
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Acharya S, I should not have called you a power hungry cult. It was wrong for me to say that. I am sorry.
re: dead sea scrolls prove bible un-original
The page and a half of verbiage is enough to make a person violently ill. How someone can spout out such verbal garbage is simply beyond comprehension. If anyone wonders why our society is terminally sick- here’s one of, if not, THE prime reason(s).
There are many roads up the mountain. Nearly every dogmatic invention/religion is or can be quickly shown to be fraudulent. (No- strike “nearly”. )
A good program , a healthy life plan, is one pf attraction NOT promotion.
The “loving” Christians -(think Inquisition, missionaries, crusades, etc.) are no better than the so-called chosen ones, whose goals are kill, destroy or control everything in sight. (Check ‘old’ Testament) It’s acceptable to wipe out your enemy.
Who said, “Religion is the opiate of the people?” I think he got it right. Also, we must remember that an addiction is an addiction. It doesn’t matter the content, the process is the same. The answer seems to be: “Check your premises”- and/ or bear the consequences. Wake up to the Real World and get your priorities in order. Your time is running out. javascript:JOSC_reloadCaptcha()
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Daniel 12:3 „and they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever‟.
(Authorized King James Version)
Not only many but all the teachings and doctrines of church pastors, priests and ministers, they were all teaching the doctrine of adversary. Their teachings even from the start of the Bible when Adam ate the forbidden fruit they teach Adam did not die, their reasoning in fact after eating the forbidden fruit Adam got children, making the word of adversary correct than the word of Yahweh. These are the teachings of all the pastors, ministers and priests of all churches denominations around the world. When Yahweh told Adam in Gen. 2:17 „but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shall surely die‟. The adversary is always opposite and contradict the instructions of Yahweh to Adam. In Gen. 3:4-5 „and the serpent said unto the woman, „Ye shall not surely die: for Yahweh doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil‟. The woman ate it and gave some to her husband and he did eat it. This happened in the Garden of Eden, then drove them out of the Garden and placed on the ground from which he was taken. Adam lives for 930 years and died, Gen. 5:1-5. But on 2 Peter 3:8 „but, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with Yahweh as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day‟. Adam died on the same day he ate the forbidden fruit because Adam did not complete one day in Yahweh for he live only for 930 years and died. The word of Yahweh is correct „thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shall surely die‟. The word of adversary are all lies for he is a liar from the beginning and the father of lies, YahYah 8:44.
In better understanding of using the name YahYah instead of Yochanan for John. We all know that there is no letter „J‟ when the time of ministerial of Yahshu‟a Messiah and therefore the name „J‟ohn is not acceptable. In Israel today they are using the name „Yochanan‟ for „John‟ but „Yochanan‟ name has no power to make a mute to speak in Luke 1:22, Luke 1:59-64 and Luke 1:62-64 and YeremiYah 43 :4, but only the Sacred name of Yahweh has the power to do this. The name of „John‟ was „Yahya‟ in Arabic originated on Semetic language of ancient Hebrew „YahYah‟. The name Yochanan is one way of avoiding to pronounced the Sacred Name „Yah‟ like in Ezra 2:2 they write Yahshu‟a as Yeshu‟a.
Why these pastors, ministers, priests of churches was deceived and never come to the truth just right on the beginning of the Bible? Because they did not read the Bible? I don‟t agree, although in Churches they are oblige to read the cathetism but in their private lives I believed they read the Bible from the beginning of Genesis to the last verse of Revelations. But is that enough to understand the secret of the Bible? In YahYah 14:26 „but the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you‟. This
means that the Holy Spirit will teach us and remind us of everything Messiah had said. and that Holy Spirit will be send by the Father Yahweh in the name of Messiah who is speaking. Therefore what is the name of Messiah that the Holy Spirit will be send to teach and remind us everything Messiah had said. These pastors, ministers, priests of churches of all denominations will claim that the name of the Messiah is „JESUS‟. We cannot agree to the name „Jesus‟ because the letter „J‟ was invented 373 years ago, while the Messiah walk on this earth 2,000 years ago, therefore there is no letter „J‟ and it is not „Jesus‟ his name. In many dictionaries and encyclopedias and even in „The Passion of Christ‟ movie the name of Messiah was called Yahshu‟a. Therefore only on the name Yahshu‟a the Holy Spirit will be send by the Father Yahweh, not on any other name, not of course in the name Jesus. In the name Yahshu‟a the Holy Spirit will be send and that Holy Spirit will teach and remind us of everything the Messiah had said. In 2 Peter 1:21 „for the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of Yahweh spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit‟.
All the teachings and doctrines of church pastors, priests and ministers, they were all teaching the doctrines that will end to death. In Proverb 14:12 „there is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death‟. The right and correct way of teaching the doctrines that will lead to Eternal Life can be found in YahYah 17:3 „and this is Life Eternal, that they might know thee the only true God (Yahweh), and Jesus Christ (Yahshu‟a Messiah), whom thou hast send‟. Did these church pastors, priests and ministers teaches this doctrine that the members should know the true only one God which is Yahweh and Yahshu‟a Messiah whom was sent?
Let us look at the „Jesus believers‟ in different denominations. Others they have conflict that the Messiah is the „Son of Man‟, or the „Son of Dyos‟ (God). But both of them was wrong, because they don‟t have the Holy Spirit that was send in the name Yahshu‟a Messiah, they have the spirit of Jesus but not the Holy Spirit that was send by the Father Yahweh in the name Yahshu‟a.
Son of Man or Son of Dyos (Theos, God)
You can find two different views about the Messiah whether Messiah is the „Son of Man‟ or The „Son of Dyos‟ (God). In Luke 3:38 „Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the „Son of Yahweh‟. In continuation of the geneology from Adam generation to his descendants until to the generation of Yahshu‟a, they were all called Son of Yahweh not Son of Man. And not Son of „Dyos‟ because „Dyos‟ originated in the name „Theos‟ is the deity of Greek people not of the descendants of Abraham, and not „Son of God‟ because the word God originated in Assyrian deity name „Gad‟.
The prophet Isaiah excoriated Israel for their abominations in serving pagan idols. One of the most prominent was the Syrian god of fate or luck, otherwise known as Gad: “But you are they that forsake Yahweh, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number” (Isa. 65:11). “Troop” is translated from the Hebrew Gad, pronounced “God”(see Strong‟s Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary, No. 1409 and note the phonetic Gawd in this reference.).
The word “God” and its Germanic roots “Gott” and “Gut” are connected to the ancient Syrian idol “Baal Gad,” which Yahweh judged Israel for worshiping. The New Bible Dictionary says of Gad, “A pagan deity worshiped by the Canaanites as the God of Fortune for whom they „prepare a table‟” (Isa. 65:11)
The Anchor Bible Dictionary says about “Gad”: “A Deity (or spirit) of fortune mentioned in Isa. 65:11 as being worshiped, along with Meni (a god of fate or destiny), by apostate Jews, probably in postexilic Judah,” Vol. II, p. 863. Further, this resource tells us, “The place name Baal-gad (Josh. 11:17) could be interpreted as „Lord Gad‟ or as involving an epithet (gad) joined to the divine name Baal” (Ibid.)
The heathen nations that Yahshu‟a (Joshua) was directed to destroy had a place called Baal-gad, which is none other than “Lord-God,” a reference to Isaiah 65:11 and the worship of this “deity” by those who forsake Yahweh! As the Anchor Bible Dictionary affirms: “The apostates of Isa. 65:11 were looking to Gad [God], not Yahweh, as the source of well-being and prosperity” (Vol. II, p. 864).
In Hastings‟ A Dictionary of the Bible, we find that the word Gad or God was “originally an appellative” and used as a divine name in pagan worship (see Gad, p. 76).
Theosophy (Greek, theos, ”god”; sophos, “wise”), designation for any religious philosophical system purporting to furnish knowledge of God, and of the universe in relation to God, by means of direct mystical intuition, philosophical inquiry, or both.
Yahshu‟a Messiah is Son of Yahweh Not Son of Man
Angel Gabriel said:
Luke 1:32 „he shall be great and shall be called the Son of The Highest (Yahweh)‟
Luke 1:35 „therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of Yahweh‟.
Luke said:
In Luke 3:23 „and Yahshu‟a himself began to be about thirty years of age, being the son of Yoseph, which was the son of Heli‟ and continue to Luke 3:38 „Adam which was the Son of Yahweh‟.
Yahshu‟a said:
In YahYah 10:36 „because I said I am the Son of Yahweh‟.
And also in YahYah 12:32 „and if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me‟. In 12:34 „the people answer him, „we have heard out of the law that the Messiah abideth forever; and how say thou, the Son of Man must be lifted up, who is this Son of Man? Yahshu‟a actually say the „Son of Man be lifted up‟, because of the replied of the people “who is this
Son of Man?”, but the very common interpretation of translators that Yahshu‟a is a Son of Man.
“Flesh and blood had not revealed it unto him, but the Father which is in heaven”
Only are those chosen by Father Yahweh to reveal but not the wicked people will understand and only the Father Yahweh will reveal. In Daniel 12:10 „many shall be purified, and made white, and tried, but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand‟.
In Matthew 16:17 „blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Yonah; for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven‟.
This revelation to Simon Bar-Yonah, that flesh and blood had not revealed it unto him, but the Father Yahweh which is in heaven.
Let us read the whole text: Matthew16:13-17 „When Yahshu‟a came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that the Son of Man is? And they said, some say that thou art YahYah the Baptist: some, EliYah, and others, YeremiYah, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the MESSIAH, THE SON OF THE LIVING YAHWEH‟. And Yahshu‟a answered and said unto him, „Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Yonah, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven‟. In continuation on Matthew 16:20-23 „then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Yahshu‟a the Messiah (the Son of Yahweh). From that time forth began Yahshu‟a to shew unto his disciples, how that (he) (the Son of Man) must go unto Yahrusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again in the third day‟, is the same as it was written in Mark 10:33-34 „behold, we go up to Yahrusalem and the SON OF MAN shall be delivered unto the chief priest, and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles, and they shall mock him, and scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him, and the third day he shall rise again‟. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, „Be it far from thee, Master (Yahshu‟a): this shall not be unto thee‟. But he (Yahshu‟a) turned and said unto Peter, „Get thee behind me Satan: thou art an offence unto me; for thou savourest not the things that be of Yahweh (SON OF YAHWEH), but those that be of Men (SON OF MAN)‟.
Only a few minutes ago Peter Simon Bar-Yonah was blessed by the Father Yahweh which is in heaven‟ by the revelations to know that Yahshu‟a is the SON OF YAHWEH. But Yahshu‟a is telling that the SON OF MAN shall be delivered unto the chief priest, and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death. The SON OF MAN shall be condemn to death NOT the SON OF YAHWEH. „for thou savourest not the things that be of Yahweh (SON OF YAHWEH), but those that be of Men (SON OF MAN)‟. Peter is thinking about the Son of Man is the Messish, but a while ago it was revealed by the Father Yahweh in heaven that Yahshu‟a is the SON OF YAHWEH, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven‟.
I pray to Father Yahweh that you were be able to understand this, like Simon Bar-Yonah was blessed by the Father Yahweh which is in heaven by the revelations to know that Yahshu‟a is the SON OF YAHWEH.
Therefore from the generation of Adam to Yahshu‟a were all Son of Yahweh. In Genesis 6:2-3 „that the SON OF YAHWEH saw the DAUGHTERS OF MEN that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And Yahweh said, My Spirit shall not always strive with MAN. For that he also is flesh; yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years‟.
This hundred and twenty (120) years does not apply to the „SON OF YAHWEH‟ , from Adam down to the 22nd generations of Yahcoob all of them died more than 130 years of ages. So therefore who are those SON OF MAN?
In Genesis 6:4 „there were GIANTS in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the SON OF YAHWEH came in unto the DAUGHTERS OF MEN, and they bare children to them, the same become mighty men which were of old, men of renown‟.
Those GIANTS are not SON OF MEN or SON OF YAHWEH it was only mentioned the event of time when there were giants when the SON OF YAHWEH came in into the DAUGHTERS OF MEN.
Lets go back to the topic who is the SON OF MAN? Those Son of Yahweh who took wives from the Daughters of Men they become one flesh, their days was shortened to hundred and twenty years.
When the descendants of Yahcoob were in bondage in Mizraim (Egypt), they were intermarriages to pagans and influenced by pagan belief, see whole chapter of Exodus 32, from then those Son of Yahweh who took wives from the Daughters of Men whom they become one flesh and they bare children, their days was shortened to hundred and twenty years.
Why those Pastors, Ministers, Priests of Churches Who Read the Whole of the Bible Was Deceived and Never Come to the Truth?
In YahYah 5:39-40 „they search the scriptures, for in them they think they have Eternal Life, and they are they which testify about the Messiah. And they did not come to Messiah, that they might have life‟. They come not to Yahshu‟a the real and true Messiah but they come to falsified name „Jesus‟ that never existed on that ministerial time of Yahshu‟a Messiah 2,000 years ago because their was no letter „J‟ at that time.
How can this church pastors, priests and ministers understand if they have no correct holy Spirit that will be send by the Father Yahweh through the name of Yahshu‟a the Messiah in YahYah 14:26„but the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you‟. In 2 Peter 1:20-21 „knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of
any private interpretation, for the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of Yahweh spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit‟.
Let Us Avoid Misconception or the Carry Over from Jesus Teaching
1. Sunday worship and the Seventh-day Adventist: This Sunday worship is not found in
the Bible only the Pentecost Day was being held on the First day of the Week which is
Sunday, but the Sabbath is the only day sanctified by Yahweh to be Holy. The Seventh
day Adventist is performing the Sabbath day worship but neglected the other Sabbaths
in the Feast of Yahweh in Leviticus chapter 23 and the Sabbathical Year.
2. Jesus doctrine that Jesus died in cross on Friday: The Prophet Daniel (Dan.9:27)
prophesied that on the middle of the week the Messiah shall cause the sacrifice and
oblation to cease‟, and that middle of the week is Wednesday.
3. Jesus doctrine that Jesus died in cross with two other criminals.: Yahshu‟a the Messiah
said from his mouth on Luke 13:33 „nevertheless I must walk today, and tomorrow, and the
day following : for it cannot be that a Prophet perish out of Yahrusalem‟.
In Deuteronomy 18:15 „Yahweh your Mighty One will raise a PROPHET from the midst of
thee, of thy brethren, like unto me (Levites also),unto him ye shall hearken‟. (Yahshu‟a is a Levite ,
his genealogical mother (Marriam) is a cousin of a Levite Elizabeth , Luke 1:5,1:36)
4. Jesus died. In Daniel 9:26 „and after three score and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but
not for himself‟: Yes the Messiah was cut-off but it does not mean was killed.
5. Jesus was cut off from the land of the living: The Prophet Isaiah prophesied on Isa.
53:8 „he was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? For
he was cut-off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken‟.
Prophet Isaiah wrote a challenging question that „Who among in his generation that
can declare that he was cut off out of the land of the living? Stricken means he was
only deeply or badly affected by something such as grief.
In Dictionary:
stricken [stríkən]
(archaic) Past participle of strike
adj
a.
deeply or badly affected by something: deeply or very badly affected by something such as grief, misfortune, or trouble
b.
affected by illness: experiencing severe physical symptoms caused by illness or injury
6. Jesus dying word is Eli, Eli Lama Sabachtani was heard by witnesses. This Greek word
Eli Lama Sabachtani has equivalent word in Hebrew as „Mah Yad Shebaq‟. In Strong‟s
Exhaustive Concordance Hebrew-Greek Dictionary no. 2241, no.1682, no.2982, no.
4100, no.3027, no.4518, no.7662. The witness should hear „Mah Yad Shebaq‟
because Yahshu‟a is a Hebrew man and speaking in Hebrew language not in Greek
language (Acts 10:28, Acts 26:14). If Eli, Eli Lama Sabachtani is translation, then
the witnesses will say he is waiting for „Mah Yad‟ not for Prophet EliYah.
In Matthew 27:46-49. if that man in the cross is Yahshu‟a speaks “my Eli, my Eli, why
has you forsaken me” will make Yob (Job) is better than this man because Yob did not
charged or blamed Yahweh in Job 1:22.
7. Jesus was nailed to cross: Simon of Cyrene (now Libya) speak Greek and until now in
Susa, Shihat and Beda in Libya these Greek descendant resides. Never in the scriptures
that Simon of Cyrene returned the cross.
8. Jesus is three days and three nights in the grave: the teachings and doctrines of church
pastors, priests and ministers, they were all teachings the doctrine of wicked and
adulterous generations teaching that Jesus died on Friday and rise on early Sunday
morning which is less than two days. Remember that Yahshu‟a reminds the wicked
and adulterous generation in Matthew 16:4 „a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh
after a sign, and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Yonah‟ .That
three days and three night is for wicked and adulterous generation.
False Prophet Prophesied that Yahshu‟a should die
In Deuteronomy 18:22 „when a prophet speaketh in the name of YAHWEH, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which YAHWEH hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shall not be afraid of him‟.
The High Priest at the time of ministerial of Yahshu‟a is „Caipas‟ who does not belong to Aaron descendants, whom the true lineage of forever high priest belongs written in Exodus chapter 29. But Caipas prophesied that Yahshu‟a will die in YahYah 11:51 „and this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Yahshu‟a should die for that nation‟. This prophesies of false prophet as reminded in Deuteronomy 18:22 that we should not believe and should not be afraid of it. The teachings and doctrines of Jesus church pastors, priests and ministers rely on the prophesies of false prophet Caipas.
Yahshu‟a is The Son of Yahweh not Son of Man
Remember that Father Yahweh revealed to Simon Bar Yonah that Yahshu‟a is the Son of Yahweh. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the MESSIAH, THE SON OF THE LIVING YAHWEH‟. And Yahshu‟a answered and said unto him, „Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Yonah, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven‟.
In continuation on Matthew 16:20-23 „then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Yahshu‟a the Messiah (the Son of Yahweh).
Yahshu‟a said that the Son of Man will be killed Not the Son of Yahweh
Luke 9:22 „the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day‟.
Mark 8:31 „the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again‟.
Luke 9:44 „let these saying sink down into your ears, for the Son of Man shall be delivered into the hands of men‟.
Mark 9:31 „the Son of Man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him, and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day‟.
Matthew 17:22-23 „the Son of Man shall be betrayed into the hands of Man, and they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again‟.
Mark 10:33-34 „the son of Man shall be delivered unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles. And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him, and the third day he shall rise again‟.
Matthew 20:18 „the Son of Man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death‟.
Luke 18:31-33 „behold, we go up to Yahrusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of Man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on, and they shall scourge him, and put him to death, and the third day he shall rise again‟.
Those Who Search the Scriptures
YahYah 5:39-40 „search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life‟.
Yes, people search the scriptures thinking they might find eternal life, but they did not come to Yahshu‟a Messiah, but instead they come to false prophets of falsified name Jesus and believed on the doctrines of church pastors, priests and ministers teaching the prophecy of false prophet Caipas, YahYah 11:51 „and this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Yahshu‟a should die for that nation‟.
Matthew 13:17 „that many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them, and to hear those things which ye hear, and not heard them‟.
Daniel 12:10 „many shall be purified, and made white, and tried, but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand‟.
YahYah 7:16 „if any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of Yahweh, or whether I speak of myself‟.
Matthew 16:17 „And Yahshu‟a answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Yonah, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven‟.
I pray again to Almighty Father Yahweh through the name of Yahshu‟a the Messiah that you received the Holy Spirit of Yahweh, that you were be blessed like Simon Bar-Yonah for flesh and blood had not revealed it unto you, but my Father Yahweh which is in heaven, that you were able to understand this revelations of Almighty Father Yahweh in heaven to understand that Yahshu‟a is the SON OF YAHWEH.
I’m sorry…
…Could you repeat that? I must have dozed off.
dead sea scrolls prove bible un-original
if the new testement prophecies are false ;then worry not;but if true ;then those who are not prepared for judgement have chosen poorly.The unknown goes in two directions;-)esirable and un-desirable.
WHAT MADE ME A BELIEVER??? DEMONS!
I have witnessed first hand demons and have filmed them in my house. THEY RESPONSE to the name JESUS CHRIST! Period!…..
So the myths and opinions of men that leave doubts in peoples minds disturbs me…but it said it would happen in the last days!
The Old Testament prophesied the coming of Christ…So you can’t believe in one without the other.
ALL I CAN SAY IS….TRUST ME……YOU WILL YOU SEE!
Demons, eh?
So, you have seen first hand demons in your house and you want us to trust you? By the way, what are first hand demons? Did you happen to see any second hand ones also? What are the differences and which ones are scarier? Please, oh PLEASE… send me a copy of the tape you filmed them on. At last – proof! Uh…what? There was no film in the camera… AGAIN?
huh
I guess you have not read the Old Testament and seen all the messages about Jesus and the prophetic words about what He would do. Perhaps it is easier for you to look for reasons that He did not exist because it would bring your empty heart to comfort in there being no answer to the bruised love that you have wanted to deny for years. Regardless, Jesus is true, He is alive, and He loves you all, whether you want His love or not. I hope that some day you can repent before Him and learn how potent, real, and overwhelming His love is for you.
God Bless
🙁 :woohoo: :s
Dead Sea Scrolls prove Bible unoriginal
The article states,
“…the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, John and Luke, the earliest of which wasn’t written until around A.D. 65.”
“In fact, the canonical gospels as we have them do not show up clearly in the historical record until the end of the second century.”
The above statements contradict each other!
I recommend “The Jesus Papyrus” by Carston Peter Thiede & Matthew D’Acona, as well as “The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable?” by F.F. Bruce, which show that the New Testament documents were written before the end of the FIRST century A.D. The first N.T. documents to be written were some of the Apostle Paul’s letters, about a dozen years after Jesus died.
No, Christianity wasn’t invented from whole cloth; it is a fulfillment and completion of Judaism. As a Jewish prophet, Jesus upheld the Law of Moses (Matthew 5:17).
The original message of Christianity is that God came to earth as a man (Jesus), who was both fully god and fully man, and who became the savior of the world. No other religion has ever taught that salvation is by grace alone through faith (in Jesus) alone.
I’m sorry, but the FULL BODY of evidence contradicts your position.
I believe you misunderstood. The first part of what you have quoted is a quote from another website – that’s why it is in a blockquote. What follows is my comment, very much contradicting what the article says, because it is erroneous.
The work you have cited by Thiede, et al., is not a widely accepted theory, and I do not believe it based in serious science. There remains no credible, scientific evidence of the existence of the canonical gospel as we have them before the end of the second century.
I recommend reading the article linked ([url]http://www.truthbeknown.com/historicaljc.htm[/url]), as well as the information in my book Who Was Jesus? ([url]http://stellarhousepublishing.com/whowasjesus.html[/url])
Scrolls
What a response! One of the 1st books translating some of the scrolls by John Allegro while over done in some respects was way before any of the more publicized or authorized versions. This was because the scrolls did not say what they were supposed to say. They were a great embarrassment at the time. The Allegro book was interesting in that he seemed to find mushrooms as the tree of life, and basically the mana found by the tribes in the exodus. Needless to say the book was bought up, became expensive and basically disappeared. He later apologized for writing the book, or maybe what he wrote in the book. But the fact remains that the scrolls could have been translated much earlier. There was a lot of foot dragging.
Acharya, feel free to correct me about this. It’s been a long time since I read the book. It was great reading at the time.
The Next Ten Years.
To believe or not to believe, that is always the question in the mind of every person in their daily walk upon this tiny rock called Earth. For some, they have already decided that no God exists and that after death there is no soul to reside in another world be it a heaven or hell. Others dwell in an in between, is there or isn’t there a God, questioning everything and at times believing that God exists and the next moment having thoughts running through their mind telling them, “No, there is no God”. Then you have those that have put forth the effort to believe the Word as it is written and proved it for themselves that what is written is true. Those few that continue to search amidst a constant force to, ‘give up’, finally come to a place where there is a rest for the soul. A place where searching to prove the Word has been settled for them and all of the talk of, ‘there is no God’ only proves for them of His existence. I like that third place. For the first two groups, the things that will be happening over the entire globe within the next ten years will tell you the God of the scriptures does exists. You know what that means because you have studied the Word to find ways to disprove it, and you know what will be happening was written about and you are finding yourself in the midst of it. But, don’t despair. Know this. That it is never to late to accept Him and He will turn no one away that comes to Him, never.
check out his words
I gave you the google site with a video, so check it out for yourself… that’s the proof I supplied… btw Mr. Gordon is a Jew not a believer in Jesus. He studied the scrolls and wrote the book , it is not fiction its fact. I gave you the book title google it…He obviously is a gifted man or he would not be allowed to be near the original scrolls, much less study them… have you??? if not, then perhaps you should listen to those who have like Mr. Gordon…the link needs to be copied and pasted, think you can handle that?
Most of the christian faith was passed on by tradition not by gospels and it was based on faith, not by books all the way till the 1500s, which so many man made regilions fromed. There are so many saints that made proof for the faith which is why it surived even till today and so many died , suffered and were happy to die for the faitth of christ and if you read about St. Vicent De Ferrer which he was the angel of judgement and proved it and preformed over 15000 miracles in the name of christ, unbeliveable ones which so many people converted and changed their life, and there are so many wittness to other miracles in the Eucharist that even animals bowed down to it, christain isnt based on books or gospels but divine faith, for god is not a book and christ did not tell everyone to write down eveything but preach and pass it on which what has been happening through out the centuries, saints lived their faith not by books but from divine faith in christ and god worked through them which the formed the catholic church and the faith of the saints which god worked through changed so many people and converted them that they died for their faith and spread it through the world by preaching and works and god working through them, if you detach yourself from the world and take up your cross and have the faith of a mustard seed god would give you anything you ask which not even a like a billion people could do which the greatest saints had, they raised the dead controlled the weather healed the sick, flew in the air in front of people, moved mountains for the sake of the unconverted people so they can belive. Our faith isnt based on book but divine faith in Christ.
So you believe all this?
Craig, I’ve gotta say, “You’ve got it bad.” You mean to tell us that you actually believe all this crap with not one shred of proof? If I were to write that I flew in the air and a bunch of my friends backed it up, you would believe that? Come on guy…give your head a shake or two…
Why O Why
Why is it that most everything we base religion on comes buried in the ground?—–the golden plates of the LDS, the Nag Hammadi, the DDS, the Washington Codex, the Talmud Jmmanuel (!), and a multitude of clay tablets.
Now that the minds of Christian believers have been swept clean of the legends and myths attending the historical Jesus, it behooves the author to find a more positive tenant before the latter condition of those minds is worse than the previous.
As someone who has more than exhausted his three score and ten time allotment of years in this cosmos, I am less concerned about religion than I am to know where this spirit sans flesh and bones is going to set up shop next.
I kind of like the concept that there exists an overarching, mature, Spiritual Entity whose character and composition consists of nothing but Love, Life and Light and who dispenses a thing called ‘the spirit of truth’ .
I can’t vouch for all this since I have no memory of a previous life and sure would like to know who talked me into experiencing this one. But now that I have experienced consciousness, I have the irrational desire to remain in that state. Why is that?
“The truth is that Jesus is to be experienced and that is the real proof of His existence and continual presence in this world. You truly can’t know the power of the Holy Catholic Faith until the Holy Spirit courses through your body, or you feel the presence of Jesus, or your prayers are answered (one way or the other) or you are sent a dream, a vision or you read the lives of the saint and cultivate a friendship with them and they communicate with you. You cannot know the truth of the faith till you reach out to God and He/She will reach back”
This would validate countless religions, most mutually exclusive, as all being true. All these experiences predate Christianity by centuries, if not millenia.
“The comments made by the writers of this article show their error in thinking. First of all, Daniel 12:10 plainly shows that none of the wicked (lawless) will understand, but the wise will understand.”
No. Like most religious scribblers, the writer SAYS that those who disagree with him are in error. He shows nothing at all. You’re arguing from the text’s authority to refute the allegation that the text has no authority. This is circular reasoning at it’s most basic. The error in thinking is yours, not Acharya’s.
By the way, fun fact: your boy Daniel (Dan-el, Dan-il, ect) can be found in the very ancient Ugaritic texts contending with gods way older than YHWH and the Old Testament. Kinda’ ties in with the point of the article, if you missed it.
“Stop listening to people who are not sent by Yahweh to speak the truth to you”
Does this apply to you too? And do you really think we should start keeping those barbaric laws that the cartoonishly violent, brutal, genocidal sky-genie YHWH dictated? Killing people for gathering sticks or whatever on the Sabbath? Stoning adulterers and uppity teens? Killing and burning animals as “a sweet savor unto the Lord”? Anyone who’s actually read the Bible would be terrified of seeing it’s dictates carried out on real human beings.
Better here than on gun sight
Glad to see those Christians venting on this site than using their Christian Scripture engraved guns in Iraq. They will kill you spiritually here, in Iraq; they physically killed more than 2 million women and children. This was not the worse genocide by Christian and Bible touting men, they slaughtered whole towns in the first and second Christian Crusade. All this fake love and spirituality you see in their comments are but DECEPTION, like the real god Jesus-Amen they worship, the one eyed deceiver that inspired them all. They are the enemy of humanity, because in the end, their Jesus, aka Amen-Marduk going to have all mankind in bondage, chipped and numbered like cattle.
the bible was written by man and translated so many times is the reason why the bible is corrupt and unreliable.
Religion
Religion is created by man. With that in mind, how many things has man made thats not screwed up in some fashion.
Everything man makes, breaks.
Everything God makes, dies.
Sorry folks but thats just the way it is. 🙁
Is there really someone at the switch in the heave
With catastrophic events like the 2004 Tsunami which killed 240,000 innocent folks one day after Christmas and the current earthquake in Haiti which killed over 100,000 very poor people one has to wonder if there is indeed anyone at the switch in the heavens.
I saw this amazing video of four Jesuit priests inspecting the roof of a Roman Catholic church in Italy which had partially collapsed the day before and then the rest of the roof fell on them killing three priests.
One has to wonder if indeed there is really someone at the switch!
Then how about this story in the old testament of Moses asking God to punish Ramses II when he refused to let the Israelites go and according to the Old Testament God punished the Pharaoh with 7 plagues and of it was the killing of the first-born of the Egyptians and even the cows, but bypassing the first-born of the Israelites.
How could this gruesome deed be attributed to a merciful God?
One has to wonder if indeed the Old testament is telling the truth!
BOHEMIAN GROVE…..WATCH IT ON YOU TUBE…
BOY ALL THESE KOOKY CHRISTIANS BELIEVING IN THAT MADE UP BOOK THE BIBLE???
BUT NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT WORLD LEADERS AND PRESIDENTS WORSHIPING LUCIFER AT BOHEMIAN GROVE…
SORRY BUT LUCIFER EXISTS AND SO DOES JESUS!
widawake “SORRY BUT LUCIFER EXISTS AND SO DOES JESUS!”
LOL! Nobody has ever proven Jesus has existed – even after 2,000 years of research, investigations and all the money and funding spent on them. Nobody has even TRIED to prove Satan or Lucifer exists because it’s soooo dumb to begin with. The entire devil concept is only there to SCARE people into submission. It only works on the dumb and superstitious.
Wow…Please stop giving opinions on Facts
Reading all the messages….. i really adise all of you to go and do your research…
All the credible atheist historians and scientists agree about the solid evidence and proof that Jesus actually did exist. There is more evidence of that than any historical figure before him. All your arguments fall flat when you get that wrong… Whether he was the son of God is another debate…
Sorry, but it’s obvious you do not know my work at all. I have substantiated the major contentions of the mythicist position ([url]http://stellarhousepublishing.com/mythicist.html[/url]) many times over – and someone who actually knew my work would also know that fact.
Nor do you know the mind of every skeptic to be making erroneous declarations about them all.
I would think anyone familiar with Herodotus’ body of work (a segment of which I am about to relate I sent to Acharya S a few years ago to be totally ignored and dismissed) would see the distinct Egyptian influence upon virtually all “Jewish Messiah” tradition, as well as “Christianity.”
Herodotus tells of Egyptian priests that would sacrifice a bull. (The Apis Bull, google it and educate yourselves. A religious symbol for hundreds and hundreds of years in Egypt.) This bull was marked by a special sign: a white star on it’s forehead. The bull would be sacrificed by stabbing it’s side. A ritual performed for centuries and centuries. They would then seek a Calf (the Golden calf ring any bells?) , with a star, believing it had been “Reborn” and it would be coddled and pampered…until time to sacrifice it…again. And again. And again.
Roman soldiers much later carried a portrait on their shields of an amalgamation of this resurrected “Apis” bull god with Osiris, the resurrected Egyptian god, which they named “Serapis.”
This “God” is the spitting image of the later “Jesus” as portrayed by later artists. Roman. As in “Rome.” As in Roman Church.
Also, anyone taking a few seconds to think can understand what the early church father Eusubius (Bishop of Palestine) knew and wrote: “Paul” was Ap”POL”lonius of Tyana. Also the spitting image of “Jesus.” The church stole Appolonius’ sayings, and labeled them “Paul’s hymns.” Doubt me? Name Paul’s sidekick, and Appolonius’ sidekick for confirmation. Both the same name. Both “Paul” and Appolonius born the same time, the same place.
Ask yourselves, Christians: where was “Mary” (mari being the title of priestesses of Isis temples btw, where your “Madonna and baby” imagery originated) and “Joseph” taking the baby Jesus, according to your own N.T.???
Egypt. Now why in the world would supposed Jews, freed from “slavery” (supposedly) in Egypt, be going BACK there willingly???
Because that is where this “Jesus and the Cross” imagery originated.
Look closely at a Pharaoh. What is their symbol? A Shepherd’s crook and flail, CROSSED over their chest in death. Wrapped in linen. With a beard. And, “oddly enough”, every pyramid’s tomb? Empty. Any imagery of your “Jesus” with Shepherds??? Empty tombs?? Getting the picture??
“Judaism” is nothing more, nothing less than stolen imagery of Sumerians, Egyptian, Canaanites, India, etc.
There are NO RECORDS by ANY ancient historian of this “Jesus” myth. NONE.
There ARE records, by Josephus and Herodotus, for example, that tell of the Indian origins of the “Ebaru” or “Hapiru” tribes. Sound it out for yourselves.
And the Pharaohs would have never allowed any “Kingdom” of “David or Solomon” to co-exist near them. Never. In fact, from at least the date of 200 BC up past 100 AD, there were temples in Jerusalem…to the “Queen of Heaven”: Isis.
Archaeological proof of this. You can go visit this temple.
You have NOTHING. Not even a shred of evidence of “Solomon’s “First Temple”, a myth.
“Abraham?” His “wife” Sarah? Derived from the more ancient Indian A Brahma and his consort Sarai, from the region of the river Ghaggar. UR of the CHALDEES in India.
Joshua, the great “Jewish” general destroying Canaanite cities? In actually fact, Yo SHIVA, the Destroyer. India. There was no J spoken or written then.
Now, go outside, and look at where the sky meets the Earth: that’s Horus Rising, or “Horizon”, then call out to that ancient Egyptian god you always call upon at the conclusion of all your prayers to “Jesus”: Amen.
Have a nice day, Christians.
AH YES,,
“Enough of the writings of the authors named in the foregoing list remains to form a library. Yet in this mass of Jewish and Pagan literature, aside from two forged passages in the works of a Jewish author, and two disputed passages in the works of Roman writers, there is to be found no mention of Jesus Christ.”
Nor, we may add, do any of these authors make note of the disciples or apostles; increasing the embarrassment from the silence of history concerning the foundation of Christianity. In other words, the only information of the life of Jesus comes from Christian believers.
Reason would dictate that if all the miracles which Jesus supposedly performed or surrounded him:
1. Being born of a virgin mother;
2. Three Magi following the brightest star forever to see the demigod;
3. The slaying of the innocent babies;
4. Raising the dead, healing the blind and lame;
4. Having the sky turn to blackness when Jesus died;
5. Earthquakes in the region;
6. The zombie saints coming out of their graves going to Jerusalem; and
7. The Resurrection.
that at least one of these world headline news events would have at least a small mention by at least one of the foregoing historian and writers. But, NO, they are totally silent!
Only Christian writers wrote about this. Do you think they were biased? Were the stories true or did these writers just continue the myth? Were they trying to promote a new religion, based upon Paul using the Jesus’ myth? And so the fiction continues to this day.
Josephus
Philo-Judæus
Seneca
Pliny Elder
Arrian
Petronius
Dion Pruseus
Paterculus
Suetonius
Juvenal
Martial
Persius
Plutarch
Pliny Younger
Tacitus
Justus of Tiberius
Apollonius
Quintilian
Lucanus
Epictetus
Hermogones Silius Italicus
Statius
Ptolemy
Appian
Phlegon
Phædrus
Valerius Maximus
Lucian
Pausanias
Florus Lucius
Quintius Curtius
Aulus Gellius
Dio Chrysostom
Columella
Valerius Flaccus
Damis
Favorinus
Lysias
Pomponius Mela
Appion of Alexandria
Theon of Smyrna
“Enough of the writings of the authors named in the foregoing list remains to form a library. Yet in this mass of Jewish and Pagan literature, aside from two forged passages in the works of a Jewish author, and two disputed passages in the works of Roman writers, there is to be found no mention of Jesus Christ.” Nor, we may add, do any of these authors make note of the Disciples or Apostles – increasing the embarrassment from the silence of history concerning the foundation of Christianity.
Thanks! Here’s the link for that quote:
NO HISTORICAL EVIDENCE OF JESUS ([url]http://jdstone.org/cr/files/nohistoricalevidenceofjesus.html[/url])
re: Better here than on gun sight
[quote name=”Syrian Nationalist Party”]Glad to see those Christians venting on this site than using their Christian Scripture engraved guns in Iraq. They will kill you spiritually here, in Iraq; they physically killed more than 2 million women and children. [/quote]
You are wrong, as the Bible says, you shalt not kill!
You mistake the fake with the original. Anyone who engraved Bible Scriptures on a weapon is a satanist – as Jesus, the Son of God said:
those who live by the sword will die by the sword.
The murderers and liars you are referring to, are simply no Christians! No matter if they assume or hijack the name Christians.
God says in the Bible: judge them by their fruits.
By assuming the name Christians and committing satanic atrocities, they even do bigger harm than open Satanists, as they give Christianity a bad name. (As your comments prove).
An example: in Husseins Irak, more then 500.000 Christians lived unharmed – and yet the Country was destroyed under the pretext of lies. A violation of the commandment: You shall not lie!
In contrast, Saudi-Arabia or Kabul, where Christians are persecuted, are valued allies of the Israel-US mafia.
Don’t estimate people by what they pretend to be, but by what they do – then you will not fall again a victim of their lies.
Bibles are being burned in Israel, and yet those alleged Evangelicals, the fakes, appearantly rather attack unarmed countries than saying a word to the Big Brother in the middle East.
well said Hans!
HANS, COULDN’T AGREE MORE. I’M AN AMERICAN, AND I HATE THE MURDERING MAGGOTS OF THE U.S. MILITARY AS WELL, AND THE FAKE CHRISTIANS WHO SUPPORT THEM. THEY ARE TRULY DISGUSTING HUMAN BEINGS.
[quote name=”ceebee”]the bible was written by man and translated so many times is the reason why the bible is corrupt and unreliable.[/quote]
Jesus: search and you shall find!
Bibles are being manipulated, but if you wish, you will find the Original.
Its Gods word, he will preserve it.
Satan is a faker, he fakes Christians and Bibles too, those who are following the wrong shepherds out of cowardes or complacency are guilty.
Just google for faked Bible versions.
Matthew 24:11 “Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.”
House of cards
[quote]In my book The Christ Conspiracy, I demonstrate that Christianity is an amalgam of the many religions, sects, cults and brotherhood traditions of the Mediterranean and beyond.[/quote]
Sorry, you don’t [i]demonstrate[/i]. You glue together fact and fiction with unsubstantiated claims and assertions. Conspiracy theories usually amuse me, but this crap is just too bad by any standard. Don’t be surprised at the fact that all skeptics laugh at you. The sheeple that nod their heads at every piece of rubbish you publish are just as out of touch with reality as the theists you claim to refute are. There are countless [i]good[/i] arguments and enough [i]actual[/i] evidence available in order to dismantle the claims of Christianity; you don’t need to resort to batsh*t crazy crap like this. But, do keep on deluding yourselves.
the bible unoriginal?
The author here is quick to forget that rome sacked Jerusalem in 70 ad? IN the jerusalem library at that time were over 6000 scrolls! Only 600 or so were saved and the rest were burned by the invading roman armies. So, the dead sea scrolls, the talmud scrolls, and the nag-hammadi scrolls datelines are sure to not align with what the bible says as of today! The bible is a compilation of the remaining 600 scrolls, and it’s common knowledge that many gospels were left out by ranking theologians because they could not come to a general concensus based on their given agendas. I can go on and on here, but I don’t see why the author is trying to make an argumentative and baseless point about the bible based on very unclear evidence?
The evidence showing that Jesus is solar myth is so freaking obvious. People have to wake up and realize this fact. :woohoo:
Cut and Paste
Lets not forget that allot of the old testament is based on even older scripture in the form of clay tablets that precedes the jews my several thousand years (Summerian). So as they discredit christianity they will descredit themselves as well.
truth is
The truth of the guidance and love of Jesus is self evident in the learning of his teachings and after you understand these things, all of the superthinkers that ever existed and all of the religious organizations put on this earth by men, become somewhat irrelavent.
Dead Sea Scrolls Mirror Old Testament…so what?
Those who wrote the portions of the Dead Sea Scrolls in question here had access to the Old Testament writings. That’s obvious by the inclusion of certain Old Testament books in the find. The Old Testament prophesies of a coming Messiah who would be righteous, etc., so it’s a veritable treasure trove of material for a religious sect related to ancient Judaism to incorporate into their own probably spurious visions and prophecies. Of course, what they wrote would bear a resemblance to the account of Jesus of Nazareth’s visitation of his people Israel found in what we call “the New Testament,” but what is really just a continuation of the Old.
There were 400 years of silence as prophesied in Lev. 26 between Malachi and Matthew, so any writings purported to be inspired by God from that period are counterfeit. such as the apocrypha. John the Baptist was the first prophet sent by God after that period of a famine “of hearing the words of the LORD.”
The Hebrew Masoretic Text and the Greek Textus Receptus are the preserved, inspired, infallible word of God. (Modern English version: KJV). 100% accuracy in their prophetic scriptures is the proof.
I think the larger point was that obviously the Bible is very derivitive & far from inspired. The Old Testament is largely based on much older texts & much older religions. Don’t count on your preacher or some apologist to push those texts under your nose, though.
“The Hebrew Masoretic Text and the Greek Textus Receptus are the preserved, inspired, infallible word of God. (Modern English version: KJV). 100% accuracy in their prophetic scriptures is the proof”
Try reading the Bible a little closer with the rosy shades off & your thinking cap on. David was promised that he would have a descendent on the throne forever. David’s line got wiped out a few centuries later. Oops! Jesus promised that many of the generation living in his time wouldn’t pass away before the kingdom of heaven arrived & all that noise. Another big, emberassing miss. I could go on here. So much for your laughable 100% accuracy claim. And thats just the “prophecy part. Don’t even get me started about the author’s collosal ignorance about the natural world.
some standing here, which shall not taste death
In regard to Luke 9:27: “But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God,” this looks like an unfulfilled prophecy. But, because Israel’s prophetic program was interrupted by God in order to bring in a completely different mystery program, this prophecy was supernaturally fulfilled when the Apostle John was given the Revelation of Jesus Christ on the Isle of Patmos in which he was given a vision of Christ’s second coming to establish the kingdom which had been promised to Israel through the fathers.
Israel as God’s agency of salvation was set aside temporarily, but God fulfilled this promise through John the Revelator.
It looks like an unfulfilled prophecy because it is. The language was straightfoward.
” Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
If you want to say that supernatural visions or whatever count as someone seeing the Kingdom of God returning then we can include the testimony of thousands of mental patients to back it’s fulfillment too. Afer all, they “see” god all the time. This is ad-hoc twisting of logic to paper over just one of countless Biblical contradictions & inconsistencies. The very best apologists don’t do it anymore & duck the details in favor of more abstract arguements.
And on a slightly off-point note, Jesus should’ve been privy to God changing his mind or whatever(“I & the Father are one, 1st John, & so forth). And the notion of an all-knowing & all-powerful deity changing his mind( like he does many times in the Bible) is incoherent, to say the least.
David’s throne, John’s vision, and God’s secret
Now therefore, O LORD God of Israel, keep with thy servant David my father that which thou hast promised him, saying, There shall not fail thee a man in my sight to sit upon the throne of Israel; yet so that thy children take heed to their way to walk in my law, as thou hast walked before me. 2 Chronicles 6:16
There was a condition to God’s promise, Jeff, and Israel didn’t fulfill it. God never promised that the throne would always be physically present either, but that one of David’s seed would inherit it.
As for the statement that some wouldn’t die before they “see” the kingdom, the vision John had is recorded in accepted, inspired Scripture, and is not to be compared to the demon-possessed ramblings of Joseph Smith or Ellen G. White.
God did not change his mind, but merely acted on a secret he had hid in his heart to save sinners apart from the agency of his chosen, failed nation. (Rom. 16:25; Eph. 3:9; Col. 1:26). Jesus Christ emptied himself of the knowledge of this intervening mystery age while Israel’s program is on the shelf because he could then offer Israel her kingdom without becoming a liar.
The important thing is that during this unprophesied mystery age of grace, any sinner who believes that Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again is completely justified from all things and saved to spend eternity with Christ in heaven’s glory. Make haste to accept God’s free gift while the age of grace lasts; the hour is late and our rapture draws near, after which Israel’s law gospel will return and salvation will come with a price tag again – keeping the Law.
“As for the statement that some wouldn’t die before they “see” the kingdom, the vision John had is recorded in accepted, inspired Scripture, and is not to be compared to the demon-possessed ramblings of Joseph Smith or Ellen G. White.”
Accepted? Inspired? Depends on who you ask. Most of the world then & now disagree. The Koran, Vedic scriptures, Book of Mormon, & Hermetic writings are also “inspired”. Why don’t you accept them?
Plenty of lunatics talk to YHWH, Jesus, & other celebrities. And they’re even here, available for questioning. Why are only ancient anonymous lunatics “inspired” & allowed to dictate people’s lives?
Revelation reads like a really bad acid trip. Claiming that this ancient psychadelia fulfills Jesus’s promise that ” there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they SEE the Son of Man coming in His kingdom” is a seriously ad-hoc torturing of the word “see” to try & paper over that emberassing failure. If my dying grandma says that I’ll see her again coming in her kingdom soon & I later “see” her in a dream, is that a prophecy fulfilled?
Bad example, I know. Unlike me, there’s no proof that John wrote Revelations, or even existed. It was written no earlier than 95 AD & probably much later. Lifespans being what they were 2000 years ago…do the math.
“God did not change his mind, but merely acted on a secret he had hid in his heart to save sinners apart from the agency of his chosen, failed nation.”
Semantics. What’s the difference? He said one thing & did another. Often. When we do that it’s called not living up to your word, dishonesty, lying & lots of other things. Furthermore…
“The important thing is that during this unprophesied mystery age of grace, any sinner who believes that Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again is completely justified from all things and saved to spend eternity with Christ in heaven’s glory. Make haste to accept God’s free gift while the age of grace lasts; the hour is late and our rapture draws near, after which Israel’s law gospel will return and salvation will come with a price tag again – keeping the Law.”
That’s not what J.C. says.
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same (like Paul), shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.”
It’s convenient to take Paul’s teaching of grace suspending the law but you have to ignore Jesus’s words to do it. It works out great for those of us who don’t want to be murdered for picking up some overtime on the weekend.
Still easier, though you can put stock in reason & evidence over dogmas & ancient absurdities. Sure, you have to think for yourself a lot instead of having your worldviews & opinions issued to you, but freedom, real “salvation”, has it’s price.
Truth DOES set one free
Great writing, jeff – right on the money. You managed to express every one of my feelings exactly and hopefully jog the senses of the sheeple lady, Deborah, although I doubt if it will make any difference to her. It is sometimes downright disheartening to see the stupidity of so many people. Trouble is that religion has ruined so many lives also. I have lost a good friend to Christianity. He has completely gone off the deep end and has lost his wife, friends, and the respect of everyone and I’m afraid he’ll end up in a mental institution, the way it’s going.
rosy glasses off
Jeff, You are entitled to your opinion, of course. But what facts are you basing your statement about David’s descendants being “wiped out”? New one on me.
A basic fact about the Bible that too few understand today is that it must be rightly divided between God’s program with his earthly people, Israel, and his program with his heavenly people, the Body of Christ. God interrupted Israel’s program after he had given them a generous opportunity to accept his Son, Jesus Christ, as their promised Messiah; and converted Saul of Tarsus (Paul) by his grace for simply believing that Jesus was who he said he was (Acts 9). That was the beginning of a new gospel of salvation by grace through faith alone in Christ without the works of Israel’s law as had been the requirement in the past. Paul calls it “the mystery” as it was a secret before him. Christ while on earth emptied himself of knowledge of this mystery which is why some of his prophesies must wait for fulfillment when Israel’s program returns (and their tribulation) after our secret rapture. This is Mid-Acts Dispensationalism.
wideawake is deadasleep
Did not Jesus say: “The Father and I are one’? Meet the Father, then explain to me Lucifer or Satan and the relationship of the Father to to all you name: http://www.evilbible.com/ ([url]http://www.evilbible.com/[/url]) :whistle:
intellectually dishonest
What I have a problem with is titles like this. Nothing is proven at all. The writer presents a theory but is far from proving a thing. It would be nice to have intellectual honesty on both sides of this fence and quit spouting information as fact. I am a Christian but I now one thing. If the power of God doesn’t follow the Words he gives me to speak… I am but sounding brass. If Christians want to prove God to people I feel we need to giving up more of ourself to Him and allowing Him to work through us. The gifts of the spirit are still available today to those who love and follow Him. Let’s not sweat it if it isn’t in God’s will to provide proof for whoever doubts. He has already said that He hardens the hearts of unbelievers. There isn’t much you can do against God’s will… so you might as well stay in it. Blessings to all.
You yourself are already being “intellectually dishonest” because you are a Christian who brings with him certain biases and prejudices. Hence, you can wave your hand in dismissal saying, “Nothing is proven at all.”
The fact will remain, however, that it certainly [i]has [/i]been. It has been demonstrated abundantly that the Bible – both Old and New Testaments – is largely a compilation of the fables of numerous cultures.
Being intellectually dishonest about that fact is at the root of much dis-ease on this planet.
Only one book in KJV attest to inspiration
Only one book in the KJV can be called inspiration, the rest are nothing but regergetated trash from various cultures and writers from centuries past. But this Book of Revelation is so prophetically accurate, that it maybe not inspired but rather a blue print plan of Christianity inventor Amen-Marduk. Oddly, it is the only book that its writer has historic record being existed. All other writers of the various concocted books in KJV have no historical evidence that they ever existed and all supposedly died tortured or on cross.
As to the Old Testament, its inaccuracy and plagerizing of the Eluma Elish and other Sumerian and Egyptian texts are notorious and inaccurate. Most of what is not copied is utterly absurd, as this for one example, GOD come down and sat in a tent with Moses for Forty days and Forty nights, having cafe late and chatting about everything from women to listing all what god had created… OOOH Moses, if I only have time to tell you what and how much I have created …LOL. Can we get this GOD over here now and fix this screwed up place up, will have fresh Late for him too. There also exist the books of Ezekiel and Daniel, the forerunner of the book of Revelation. Both have historical person behinds them and did communicate with extraterrestrials. All three religion Judaism, Christianity and Islam call not on god name but the affirmative after each verse is AMEN as in AMEN, Ammoun, Amen-RA (stole Ra identity, just as he stole Jesus, he is also known as the Mahdi which Shia still await)
Why not search on UTUBE for SVALI and listen to her story of child sacrificed in a Satanic ritual, in a temple right under the Vatican.
Judging from the way world wide Christians pay their taxes directly by arming Israel to the tooth, I wonder why they have problems coming to terms with the fact that they are nothing but purchasers of an off-the-shelf Jewish sect with Roman traditional spin.
We find all this comeing out now ? As we the world are in dire straights . well this just proves to me how the bible is spot on, just like john of patmos said .
The U.S and its D.C hench men will be baying after christians next .
Maybe you are just repeating a story for a zionist/iluminati cause.
I will stick with jesus .WHY YOU ASK. BECAUSE I WANT HIM TO BE KING which he will be because i know he is real 2 near deaths under my belt and one of them was bad cold dark stone age dark.
This is nothing new, all the abrahamic religions are cut and paste jobs of others, Judaism is just a mish-mash of Babylonian/Egyptian and Zoroastrian religions. I’d have to imagine that all regligions are based on the traditions of another, they all stem from earlier beliefs, since our present is built on the past. I don’t know why this is hard for anyone to understand. We didn’t just build the 2010 Ferrari Enzo, it’s the culmination of the history of cars. Everything we humans do is like that. “If I have seen farther then most it is because I have stood on the backs of giants.”
MydogsMaster
I have but one questions for the “believers” here. My dog just disobeyed me and peed on the rug. As I am his Master, for how long do you recommend I burn him?
Forever? Really? and get some locusts to eat his eyeballs?
Sounds a tad harsh, but Okay!
Here Rover, come here, boy
And the Pharisees are still trying to discredit Jesus Christ, much as they have in the Talmud. Why would they even mention him and his mother in the Talmud if Christ was not a threat to them? Of course Christ is a threat to them. He is the Messiah that they had murdered.
None of your latter day propaganda, nor you past propaganda (Talmud) will change that fact. You still have a date with HIM.
He doesn’t know dogs or beasts of the field
Amos 3:2
Of all the peoples and families of the earth, you Israel, only have I know. Therefore you I will punish you for your iniquity.
The truth is IN it, dogs. The voices don’t talk to the stupid ones, for good reason. Get over it.
The wooden ones are for you, as you project onto others. Just worry about THAT. Your motives are obvious.
This STUPID site identifies you STUPID jews as most definitely NOT of those spoken of in Amos 3:2. Just more proof. Keep going. I want the true Israelites to know you. John 8:44
Tilt
Uh…Bubba Lee, (great name) Could it be that you’re just a wee bit unhinged? No more drugs for you.
That definitely sounds like something Jesus would say….
After all he preached love, right?
Way to be a shining example of your faith. Retard.
Talmud never mentioned Jesus Christ.
Talmud never mentioned Jesus Christ, desprado Christians, desperate for a single evidence that is never found, that thier man had existed will cling on anything for proxy proven fact. As always, it is not.
If you are talking about Jesus of Nazareth equating him with Jesus Christ, the supposed Messiah, you are into surprise to know that Archeologists in Syria have discovered no reference whatsoever to the place now called Nazareth in Israel (Palestine). Western Archeologists and Historians spent decades digging up the place and have concluded that Nazareth was not in existence when supposedly Jesus lived there. In fact it is further determined that this city first settlement earthed, dated 200 years afterward. It is a city that Biblical myth in fact built centuries later.
Furthermore, Syrian Nationalist Party chief Archeologist stated that not only the story of Jesus was a myth made up but all the biblical and Talmudic history was fiction. There never existed a king David, Israel or Jewish kingdom. There exist in Syrian and Middle East archeological sites and museums, millions of tablets and state and commercial records from Sumerian, Ugarit, Aram, Phoenician,, Assyrian and Babylonian records, not one mention of a king or a kingdom in Israel or one transaction in that region. This has been extensively documented by SNP in the past 5 years. Although Jesus was in fact a bastard to a Jewish whore named Cleopatra the Talmudic references to Balaam is not relating to the figure in question, Jesus name was a common as Abdul for Arabs and John for Americans. There existed at times many, several clan and charlatan leaders with the names of Jesus, all proclaimed deity, at least eight of them were documents by SNP do your Google search. Christianity is more than a fraud, it is a crime against humanity, it is the basis of the New World Order and the enslavement of mankind to an extraterrestrial and demonic reptilian entities living in cavities under the earth surface. Again UTUBE: Underground Cities and Phil Schneider.
Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus’ mother was a whore: “She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters.” Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the “uncensored” text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, “Miriam the hairdresser,” had sex with many men.
“Jesus was a bastard born of adultery.” (Yebamoth 49b, p.324). “Mary was a whore: Jesus (Balaam) was an evil man.” (Sanhedrin 106a &b, p.725).
“Jesus was a magician and a fool. Mary was an adulteress”. (Shabbath 104b, p.504).
Mishnah Yevamot 4:18
R. Shimon ben Azzai said: I found a book of geneologies in Jerusalem and in it is written “The man Plony is a bastard.”
This is claimed to be a reference to Jesus. However, this claim is patently ridiculous. The Mishnah was most likely referring to a famous person and, due to the lack of any practical ramifications, his name was left out by the compilers of the Mishnah. Plony is a biblical term used similar to John Doe today (cf. Ruth 4:1). The keeping of geneological records was very common in talmudic times so that regular Jews did not marry bastards and violate the biblical prohibition (Deuteronomy 23:3). Investigations into lineage and proclamations of bastardy were not uncommon (cf. Nehemiah 7:5; Talmud Kiddushin 70b-71a). There is no reason to assume that this refers to Jesus.
Pre-Christian philosophy
“Hail to thee, great God, Lord of the Two Truths. I have come unto thee, my Lord, that thou mayest bring me to see thy beauty. I know thee, I know thy name, I know the names of the 42 Gods who are with thee in this broad hall of the Two Truths . . . Behold, I am come unto thee. I have brought thee truth; I have done away with sin for thee. I have not sinned against anyone. I have not mistreated people. I have not done evil instead of righteousness . . .
I have not reviled the God.
I have not laid violent hands on an orphan.
I have not done what the God abominates . . .
I have not killed; I have not turned anyone over to a killer.
I have not caused anyone’s suffering . . .
I have not copulated (illicitly); I have not been unchaste.
I have not increased nor diminished the measure, I have not diminished the palm; I have not encroached upon the fields.
I have not added to the balance weights; I have not tempered with the plumb bob of the balance.
I have not taken milk from a child’s mouth; I have not driven small cattle from their herbage…
I have not stopped (the flow of) water in its seasons; I have not built a dam against flowing water.
I have not quenched a fire in its time . . .
I have not kept cattle away from the God’s property.
I have not blocked the God at his processions. 5
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10cl.htm
http://philosophyofscienceportal.blogspot.com/2009/05/papyrus-of-anicomplete-papyrus.html
Astronomy, Bibles and You
Hi Acharya,
Love the research and information, always good to hear from you, and this is a very exciting message.
The deeper symbolic meaning of these scrolls and scriptures is lost on most of us today.
For Example: The symbolism of an “Ark” which is our Safe House, where we bring our family and our whole world.
This could represent our Faith in God where we keep our Loved Ones while traveling the stormy Flood Of Life!
Sure, it’s a fiction, but one that my 7 year old remembers, and it meets him at his level, but grows also to ours, right?
All of the great stories, from Adam and Eve, to Pinocchio, have a message that people remember and embrace.
Point is, you haven’t made the message of any less value by correctly identifying the origin. You are doing priceless work we should all thank you for.
It wouldn’t surprise me if you have made mistakes, you don’t claim to be perfect. It does surprise me when people say you are “wrong”.
There are too many footnotes in most of your work for me to check them all, but the exhaustive documentation is impressive, and as far as I have had time to check them, have been unassailable.
What you do is to dig and dig, and share your work, and I believe you do an exceptional job and want to thank you.
Reading you as an Astronomer, your information on Solar Deities excites students, professionals, and fumblers (me) alike.
Orion, the Three Kings, and Sirius have more meaning even to the little kids that I teach.
When kids between 7 and 15 years old see the Christmas star in the east, and the Three Kings for the first time, you should see the smiles!
Please recommend the book that an Astronomer/Mystery student should read and I will make a purchase.
Jeff
Not my opinion. Biblical scripture. Zedekiah, Israel’s last king, got his eyes gouged out after seeing his children killed in front of them & died a prisoner in Babylon. So much for YHWH’s covenant with David to preserve his line on the throne forever (Samuel 12-16). No line, no throne, badly conflicting NT geneologies notwithstanding.
” Christ while on earth emptied himself of knowledge of this mystery which is why some of his prophesies must wait for fulfillment when Israel’s program returns (and their tribulation) after our secret rapture.”
Actually, Jesus is reported as saying ” Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28, Mark 9:1, & Luke 9:27). Pretty unambiguous. They all died waiting & some are still dumb enough to still be waiting.
David’s throne
“Now therefore, O LORD God of Israel, keep with thy servant David my father that which thou hast promised him, saying, There shall not fail thee a man in my sight to sit upon the throne of Israel; yet so that thy children take heed to their way to walk in my law, as thou hast walked before me.” (2 Chronicles 6:16). There was a condition to this promise, Jeff, and Israel did not fulfill it. The throne was never promised to always be physically present, either, just that there would be a descendant capable of sitting on it when it was. Soon the Lord Jesus Christ will re-establish the kingdom and his rightful throne and will sit on it in glory ruling the earth.
As for Christ saying that there would be those who would not taste death until they “see” the kingdom, the account of John’s vision of the future kingdom is inspired Scripture and not the demon-possessed ramblings of a Joseph Smith or Ellen G. White.
God never changed his mind; this mystery dispensation of grace was “hid in God,” (Eph. 3:9); “kept secret since the world began” (Rom. 16:25); & “hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints” (Col. 1:26). God was merely acting on a secret he had hid in his heart that he planned to offer salvation to the world apart from his failed chosen nation, Israel, and according to his foreknowledge of Israel’s rejection of their Messiah. Christ emptied himself of the secret so he could make a bona fide announcement that the kingdom was “at hand.” If he had known and done so, and/or instructed his apostles to offer the kingdom after his ascension, he would have been a liar. Makes perfect sense; only way to demonstrate Israel’s utter failure even in the face of being offered their wildest dreams.
All this means that during this unprophesied mystery age, you and anyone at all who believes that Jesus Christ died for their sins, was buried and rose again will be justified from all sin and eternally saved to live forever with Christ in heaven. It’s that simple.
All Glory to Christ
..”certain ideas in the scrolls also appear in the New Testament, meaning, of course, that the impression of Christianity as a “divine revelation” appearing whole cloth miraculously from the very finger of God is clearly erroneous.” Huh? Dude, you’re not E.. V.. E.. N.. making any freakin sense and it’s rather presumptuous of you to relegate what God inspired or didn’t inspire man to write thousands of years ago. Let’s assume for the sake of playing with the subject matter that the Bible is fiction, no God, no Christ, no Holy Spirit and the Scrolls.. rantings of lunatics. In consideration of the extremely nefarious influence Zionists have over politics, media, finance and especially considering Jew hatred of Christ and Christians, why even expend energies comparing fairy tales? Don’t you frankly have more pressing concerns such as why no one is prosecuting Goldman Sachs executives and members of Congress for conspiring to defraud the American tax payer of trillions? How about how 3 buildings collapsed in free fall via controlled demolition blamed on batsh*t crazy rag heads in caves? I know..it’s your empathy for the mentally challenged? You’re motivated to kindly set straight the masses implausibly believing some fictitious bull sh*t about a long hair going to reward them with eternal life just for believing in Him? I mean really, what is your freakin motivation you condescending, self aggrandizing cock sucker? If you had a PHD in MicroBiology, Physics or Mathematics, you’d at least have a truly deep understanding of the complex, intricate, magnificent beauty of the earth, the earth’s inhabitants and the universe visible through our limited capabilities. Likewise, if your eyes were “opened” by the Holy Spirit, you could be just a child and richly, appreciate such. Instead, tragically, you are a boor. An ignorant goat that arrogantly dare enlighten a fellow traveler in time and space about God no less? Hahahahahahahaha.. Write an article after you’ve humbled yourself clown. I’ll pray for you and will apologize to Jesus for your being an ass. You must be a kike to be so annoyingly cocksure.
That vile speech is “Glory” to Christ?
Thank you for the extremely attractive example of Christian devotion. Very nice language and lovely hate speech you’re spewing here. Jesus must be very proud.
By exposing the patently FICTIONAL nature of the gospel story – sorry if that hurts your feelings – I am helping to correct a hideous injustice committed against the human species. This crime against humanity is FAR more important than any political or business development current today.
It has been alleged that Some 250 million people have been tortured, murdered and robbed in the name of Jesus Christ. Here’s a partial list:
Victims of the Christian Faith
Again, that is only a partial list of the countless evil atrocities committed in the name of Jesus Christ. Christ himself is portrayed in the gospel of John as calling for his followers to burn people who don’t believe in him, and this scripture was used throughout the Inquisition to commit horrible crimes against nonbelievers, including the murder of hundreds of thousands women as “witches.”
If Jesus were ever to show up, he had better worry about being held accountable for all the horror and torment he has caused on planet Earth for the past 2,000 years.
And your abusive hate speech is yet another example of this Jesus-inspired violence. If your mentality is what Jesus inspires, then what I am doing here – exposing a crime against humanity that continues – takes on even greater importance.
the real Christ’s commandments
Please take your time to read my comment.
“Christ himself is portrayed in the gospel of John as calling for his followers to burn people who don’t believe in him”
I have read the gospel of john many times over and i have never read a passage where jesus commands his followers to burn the non-believers. So i went over the gospel and found what you are referring to.
““I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.
15 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.”
So Jesus message is pretty clear if you can convert the imagery. If you follow his teachings you will be a source of inspiration to others. if you don’t follow his teachings, you will be lost and will be judged by god on judgment day. Notice he didn’t say “you must burn the branches that are not in me”, which is clearly what you interpreted.
As for what christ said about what to do to you enemies, its clear in the gospel of Matthew:
“43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”
I would say the message is pretty clear and makes sense if you think of god as a loving, perfect god.
Lastly on the “killing in the name of christ” you mentioned, ill quote jesus again in a parable in Matthew:
“28 “What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’
29 “‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.
30 “Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go.
31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?”
“The first,” they answered.”
This is the message of Christianity. When you saying “i will follow Christ”, does not make you christian. Once you start doing what Christ commanded you (love your enemies, see above) then you become a christian. heres another example from Matthew:
“21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”
I am currently doing my own research on Jesus. I’d recommend for you to do the same as me, start from an unbiased position. And read respectable new testament scholars. If god does exist and Jesus is his son, then wouldn’t he appreciate your unbiased and genuine effort and reach out to you?
sorry for typing a lot.
:cheer:
For some one who claims to be open minded, how could you say that Jesus killed all those people. How could you pin the blame on a single person for horrible events that transpired in the past? Just as you do not believe in religion, others have the choice to believe what they wish. People kill people, whether their reason is certain beliefs of faith, power, etc. You’re here trying to explain how bad religion is for humanity. Broaden your mind, people kill people. A religion cannot kill a person. A person manipulating people by using religion is the one to blame. Yes a gun can shoot bullets that kill. But a person is the one that pulls the trigger.
First of all, where have I claimed to be “open minded?” That’s an ad hom fallacy, and it won’t work. Nor will insulting comments like “Broaden your mind.” That’s just silly and ignorant – you don’t know me in the least and are trying to insult me into your perspective.
Secondly, I take it you do not believe that Jesus is the omnipotent God in charge of everything? If not, then you are not a Christian, so why are you so defensive and hostile?
If you do believe that Jesus is the omnipotent God of the cosmos in charge of everything, then he most assuredly IS responsible for EVERYTHING, including and especially all the people who have been murdered in his name. It’s fallacious to argue otherwise.
In the end, however, there is no need to be making angry ad hom fallacies in order to compel someone into your viewpoint, since the “Jesus Christ” of the New Testament is a fictional compilation of characters, so he couldn’t have killed anyone. Broaden your mind and accept these facts, please.
I notice that you have no concern about all those victims of Christianity. Your concern is me pointing out the logical conclusion that, if Jesus is God, he is definitely responsible for all of the suffering in the universe.
I’m freaked out now..your face looks almost identical to my sister. Unlike you, she is deeply in love with Christ. 6 Books calling Jesus a fraud. Too bad. Really girl, what’s driving your effort?
Pete “I’m freaked out now..your face looks almost identical to my sister. Unlike you, she is deeply in love with Christ. 6 Books calling Jesus a fraud. Too bad. Really girl, what’s driving your effort?”
AH? Are you really so daft that you even have to ask after she just responded to your Jesus fanaticism and hate speech?
Subspecies Pete
Hey petie… In answer to your question of what’s driving Acharya, the answer is something so obviously totally foreign to you, but for what it’s worth, the correct answer is – intelligence!
Intellectual masturbation
You`re an intellectual masturbator who tries to sell his booklet. Since the Da Vinci Code, the intellectual masturbators who try to undermine Christianity are legions on the payroll of the “new world order”. Poor little brainwashed things!
Stupid
All these attempts to destroy Christianity will only strengthen our resistance in the end.
Dan Brown and the whole host of people trying to show or prove how Jesus never existed, did not rise from the dead, was not a virgin at his death, these are anathema and beyond salvation.
Simple as that.
Jesus Lives.
The Dark Side of Christian History
And the hideous history of Christianity – including to this day with very nasty examples of Christians who go around the internet and smear, libel, slander and threaten others – will only strengthen the resistance by Christian apostates and unbelievers to being enslaved by this false cult.
Be sure to see this page:
Victims of the Christian Faith ([url]http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm[/url])
If you believe that we are going to endure another go-round by Christianity like that one, you are sadly mistaken. Christianity’s crimes are being exposed, and we will not be beaten into submission by the brainwashed faithful.
All those who have been brainwashed by Christianity – which is responsible for the torture, murder and robbery of 250 million people – need to grow a conscience and throw off this mental yoke that makes them so unpleasant and antisocial.
You can do it.
Futile
“If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.”
Gotta love that Dr. House/Hugh Laurie quote! :woohoo:
Yeah that’s what I thought too
re – “Simple as that. Jesus Lives.”
Yeah, that’s what they told me too, and I believed it until I was 30 years old. Then one day it hit me that certain things in the Bible couldn’t possibly have happened. And that led me to want to get to the bottom of how certain things in the Bible could be wrong. From there I actually start looking for *proof* that Jesus existed. And you know what? There was none. Not one iota, not one shred of evidence that Jesus even existed. And to make matters worse, once I started reading *earlier* myths, I realized that these were shockingly similar to the stories in the New Testament. But it doesn’t end there. Most of the ancient Christian temples and churches that were built in the first couple centuries of this era they called “AD” were actually temples from earlier religions, and the people who worshiped at these temples gradually changed their beliefs over the centuries — meaning there was no actual “start” of Christianity as today’s church wants us to believe happened around 32 “AD”.
The more I used my brain, the more I realized that I’d been lied to about all this. And the more I used my brain, the more I realized that that amazing feeling I got at church was no different than the same feeling people get at, say, a rock concert, and was originating inside my brain, not by some supposed holy spirit.
It took me several years to finally come to terms with the loss of something so beloved to me, my religion, but I finally did.
So in fact, it’s not that simple. Jesus doesn’t live, because he never existed.
Historic evidence of existance of Jesus
Two excerpts from the writings of first-century Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus:
Antiquities 18.3.3 Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day.
Antiquities 20.9.1 But the younger Ananus who, as we said, received the high priesthood, was of a bold disposition and exceptionally daring; he followed the party of the Sadducees, who are severe in judgment above all the Jews, as we have already shown. As therefore Ananus was of such a disposition, he thought he had now a good opportunity, as Festus was now dead, and Albinus was still on the road; so he assembled a council of judges, and brought before it the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, whose name was James, together with some others, and having accused them as law-breakers, he delivered them over to be stoned.
For the scholarship showing Josephus as worthless in establishing a historical Jesus, see my writings, including:
The Jesus Forgery: Josephus Untangled
The other purported “proofs” of Christ’s existence are readily demonstrated to be equally valueless.
Pliny, Suetonius and Tacitus: No Proof of Jesus
And there is more, especially in my book Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ
Which Jesus do you worship, many existed, all clai
The bible, made up of fables stated this, supposedly Jesus talking: Called the church a HARLOT of BABYLON and begged Christians to get out of it to be saved, it said anyone get drunk with it will burn in eternal fire. LOL…. Read your bible fellow deceived Christians, stop following Amen-Marduk deception plan to bring the world under his evil control, under the New World Order. You are a threat to humanity existence, look what you did on 911, there were no 19 Moslem hijackers and no 4 plane hijacked. It was all Christian boys of America behind it, all to bring the Christian World Order of the One Eyed Beast Amen, look at your dollar bill you illiterate religious consuming, murdering blobs. Elohim were extraterrestrial Alien, Allah was a stone status among 380 in the Kabbaa, an illiterate Bedouin chose him to be a god, Jesus Christ is Amen-Marduk, a left over extraterrestrial who claim right to rule planet earth because his daddy Enki supposedly created man ADAMU (Sumerian for Primitive Worker). Stop messing up our beautiful planet. We are not backing Islam either; they are in cahoots in the operation to destroy and enslave mankind, the same pants and from the same evil school.
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So which Jesus you illiterate Christians worship? It can’t be of Nazareth, the damm place was built 200+ years after his supposed death on a cross (wish that is true, befitting punishment for a deceiver of man). So here is a list of Jesuses around at the same time, pick your son of god from this list, lord of lords and king of kings, just like Bedouin Mohammad picked his stone status out, and Moses (that is Egyptian Pharos Tutmoses) pledged his elegance to Amen when Egyptians fed up with this foreign Hexos rule (later after escaping in Sinai became Jews like Amen became Jehovah).
Below is copied and pasted material compiled for various sources:
The archetypal Jewish hero was Joshua (the successor of Moses) otherwise known as Yeshua ben Nun (‘Jesus of the fish’). Since the name Jesus (Yeshua or Yeshu in Hebrew, Ioshu in Greek, source of the English spelling) originally was a title (meaning ‘saviour’, derived from ‘Yahweh Saves’) probably every band in the Jewish resistance had its own hero figure sporting this moniker, among others.
Josephus, the first century Jewish historian mentions no fewer than nineteen different Yeshuas/Jesii, about half of them contemporaries of the supposed Christ! In his Antiquities, of the twenty-eight high priests who held office from the reign of Herod the Great to the fall of the Temple, no fewer than four bore the name Jesus: Jesus ben Phiabi, Jesus ben Sec, Jesus ben Damneus and Jesus ben Gamaliel. Even Saint Paul makes reference to a rival magician, preaching ‘another Jesus’ (2 Corinthians 11,4). The surfeit of early Jesuses includes:
Jesus ben Sirach. This Jesus was reputedly the author of the Book of Sirach (aka ‘Ecclesiasticus, or the Wisdom of Jesus the Son of Sirach’), part of Old Testament Apocrypha. Ben Sirach, writing in Greek about 180 BC, brought together Jewish ‘wisdom’ and Homeric-style heroes.
Jesus ben Pandira. A wonder-worker during the reign of Alexander Jannaeus (106-79 BC), one of the most ruthless of the Maccabean kings. Imprudently, this Jesus launched into a career of end-time prophesy and agitation which upset the king. He met his own premature end-time by being hung on a tree – and on the eve of a Passover. Scholars have speculated this Jesus founded the Essene sect.
Jesus ben Ananias. Beginning in 62AD, this Jesus had caused disquiet in Jerusalem with a non-stop doom-laden mantra of ‘Woe to the city’. He prophesied rather vaguely:
“A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against the whole people.”
– Josephus, Wars 6.3.
Arrested and flogged by the Romans, Jesus ben Ananias was released as nothing more dangerous than a mad man. He died during the siege of Jerusalem from a rock hurled by a Roman catapult.
Jesus ben Saphat. In the insurrection of 68AD that wrought havoc in Galilee, this Jesus had led the rebels in Tiberias. When the city was about to fall to Vespasian’s legionaries he fled north to Tarichea on the Sea of Galilee.
Jesus ben Gamala. During 68/69 AD this Jesus was a leader of the ‘peace party’ in the civil war wrecking Judaea. From the walls of Jerusalem he had remonstrated with the besieging Idumeans (led by ‘James and John, sons of Susa’). It did him no good. When the Idumeans breached the walls he was put to death and his body thrown to the dogs and carrion birds.
Jesus ben Thebuth. A priest who, in the final capitulation of the upper city in 69AD, saved his own skin by surrendering the treasures of the Temple, which included two holy candlesticks, goblets of pure gold, sacred curtains and robes of the high priests. The booty figured prominently in the Triumph held for Vespasian and his son Titus.
But was there a crucified Jesus?
Certainly. Jesus ben Stada was a Judean agitator who gave the Romans a headache in the early years of the second century. He met his end in the town of Lydda (twenty five miles from Jerusalem) at the hands of a Roman crucifixion crew. And given the scale that Roman retribution could reach – at the height of the siege of Jerusalem the Romans were crucifying upwards of five hundred captives a day before the city walls – dead heroes called Jesus would (quite literally) have been thick on the ground. Not one merits a full-stop in the great universal history.
Too strange to be a coincidence!
According to the Biblical account, Pilate offered the Jews the release of just one prisoner and the cursed race chose Barabbas rather than gentle Jesus.
But hold on a minute: in the original text studied by Origen (and in some recent ones) the chosen criminal was Jesus Barabbas – and Bar Abba in Hebrew means ‘Son of the Father’!
Are we to believe that Pilate had a Jesus, Son of God and a Jesus, Son of the Father in his prison at the same time??!!
Perhaps the truth is that a single executed criminal helped flesh out the whole fantastic fable.
Gospel writers, in scrambling details, used the Aramaic Barabbas knowing that few Latin or Greek speakers would know its meaning.
Also, I think in a very old book I read from the British Lending Library by special request, called the Diagesis, (or Diegesis perhaps), it was mentioned that the four gospels were plagiarised themes, and that there were 800 original candidates for the proposed figurehead of what I suppose was the then NWO religion, and none of them fitted the story, so Jeshai Beth Halachmee, Jehoshua Ben Pandira and Appollonius of Tyana had segments of their life histories lifted to form the synthetic Jesus of the New Testament.
Perception of God
I think something of Christianity is fundamentaly true. I’ve seen some unusual patterns that move me to believe this. But I’m more an advocate of a Jungian (Carl Jung) approach. Something along an esoteric line. The fact that there does appear parallel messages in the earlier Mediteranean mythologies to the Christian story…in my mind should not be indication that all is nonsense born of a chillike stage of humanity. I also believe some of the worst damage to human psyche has been done by Literalist Christianity, for the reason that I believe there is no greater rape than the rape of the soul, the violation of the sense of inner sanctity, individuality,native born self worth,self reliance..etc. Teaching people they are born in SIN and thus worthy of ETERNAL suffering in a lake of fire…Unless you beg forgiveness of Adams sin… in which case you will go to heaven… where you can worship your creator forever…? I ask..Who gets anything from a dynamic in which a Creator, creates an image of his self so that the image can perpetually worship this creator?.. I believe our reality is divine… If its not then I can think of no reason for the word divine. BUT even the story of Jesus… is a story of Literalists… killing a free thinker that was not caught up in the massive religious infrastructure, which had fallen into self worship…at the cost of human suffering/worth.
No Hope better than false hope?
Again, oh wise one, Savior of ignorant, dim witted knuckleheads. Let’s assume you are correct and Christ is myth. One dies and that’s the end. Surely, the thought of that must really perk you up each and every morning.. How grand it must feel to be sparred being locked in the mindless, though blissful ignorance of those others..you know..the weirdo Christians believing all “saved” will one day be standing in a brilliant dimension.. in white robes no less.. holding palm branches (roll eyes) showered in the Glory of God the Creator of Heaven and Earth? (yawn, cough, cough)
You keep mentioning the millions killed in the name of Christianity. Man’s perversion of Christs’ Word has certainly created chaos and death, however, it is insincere of you to attribute the actions of false men to the Message of Love from the Son.
Isaiah 45:7 the Sscripture reads as follows: “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” Bible explains who is the ax to question the ax maker “why did you make me an ax?”
But really now, what burden is it to you if the world has even billions following a Teaching of honor for God and love for neighbor? If my testosterone and impatience (or others) mitigates my speech or writings, I sin, for Paul instructs to sweeten ones speech so no one can use (as you did) your using hostile speech against you. (yeah, you sure jumped on my being less than soft spoken, even asking me to consider that I had made the one you deny proud..kid’s play)
What you offer mankind, vile sweetie is NO HOPE. You consider no intelligent design. You label those that love God and neighbor as murderers and naive, misguided noobs. This is how you spend and will continue to expend the energies the bagel and lox provides you, you ungrateful ninny? In all earnest, all kidding aside..right now..GO! GO! into your closet and BEG the Son, the one empowered with our judgment forgive you for your disrespect.
Alas, I am wasting my time as you are destined for destruction, your mind clouded by design..a spirit of stubbornness afflicts your kind. (read jew)
Romans 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God
Enjoy the darkness witch. If I see you in Hell one day, don’t be a stranger. lol
Prove Jesus doesn’t exist..
You seem somewhat peeved, anonymous? Peace to you, we are all friends here. My jewdar is signaling which leads me to conclude you are part of the stubborn cult. Be that as it may, your sophomoric challenge of “proving” Christs’ existence can just as easily be juxtaposed to read- Prove Christ doesn’t exist, ya?
Well beak nose.. what have you got for me that our beloved Jesus Christ doesn’t exist? I’ll tell you what you got..ZERO/ZILTCH/NADA! All you pukes can come up with is endless negativity and superficial, shadow intellectualism.
I have been in some very “dark” places in the world and many times “death” was very near. I’ve oftentimes been told by strangers that I’m a “LIGHT”..to quote..”You are like a light in this very, very dark, dismal place”.
Let’s break it down to were even one as overtly bright as yourself can hopefully understand. If Christ indeed exists and one chooses to follow Him, there is Salvation..no fear of the unknown. Throughout whatever adversity or travail one may encounter, there is Hope..and Comfort.
If Christ doesn’t exist, tell me what is lost by following Him? Will you look in the mirror and say out loud- “FOOL! You have loved an imaginary phantom in the sky and loved your neighbor..OH THE SHAME! How could I be such an imbecile? Oye ve! Do enlighten me if I am missing something catastrophic that could occur by loving an imaginary being in the sky and loving my neighbor? Again, boils down to you not wanting to appear “foolish”. Do I read you correctly?
Now then, why indeed do YOU have such issue..such anger…such feelings of hostility toward any persons that have chosen to follow the King of Kings? Some of you jewboys talk about the coming Messiah..a Messiah whose identity will be revealed at the end of the age. (Detracting of course and not giving Glory to the Christ.) You piss on the Mary in the manger story..it was a sukkot in which he was born and Jesus grew up to become a devious heretic..bla bla bla I got it.
Appears that you kikers hate Jesus for calling you out on your true loves..YOURSELVES&MONEY! That’s ok, you print up all the notes the machines can handle. The machines break, fix them and back to it. Shalom Bernanke and baby Geithner are good servants/stewards for Zionist agenda. May they prosper exponentially even to the point of sh*tting gold turds.
I “Love” the site of honor your ringleaders Rothschilds built for Satan in Jerusalem- the Supreme Court Complex. Nice touch with the spooky Satanic Eye in the Pyramid on the roof..the upside down crosses..the 33 stairs etc. Always amazes me how aroused a jew becomes whenever I pull out fraction of kilo gold. lol
See.. angry jew… the HOLY SPIRIT will rain down upon the inhabitants of the world in the coming years..those whose names are written in the BOOK OF LIFE patiently await tribulation, relaxed. We don’t have cares like you do about earthly possessions as we trust that God knows what we need before we even ask. HIS WILL BE DONE!
Pete, you’re an obvious troll trying to parody Christians look like vile, hateful racists. Your efforts aren’t needed. I’m not religious. I’m even anti-religious & debate the subject at every turn but you definitely do not represent most Christians. Take off the clown suit & find another way to get attention.
I’m one of those Rothchild kikes thru my grandmother. Jewboy Jesus would be so proud of you.
Xtianity is nothing but judaism for goyim.
It was the jewish answer to the roman invations.
By striking back and creating a religion where its followers could not make money by lending and practice medicine. it gave the jews the upper hand over the europeans.
Pete “oh wise one, Savior of ignorant, dim witted knuckleheads. “
We’ll take the name-calling as another sign of weakness, lack of integrity and character and that you’re just angry because after 2,000 years you still can’t provide a single shred of [b]CREDIBLE[/b] evidence for your beloved Jesus.
Pete “Let’s assume you are correct and Christ is myth. One dies and that’s the end. Surely, the thought of that must really perk you up each and every morning.”
Where is your evidence to the contrary, Pete? We’re open to whatever the “truth” is but we’re a 21st century educated people who prefer credible evidence to substantiate extraordinary supernatural claims. If you can’t substantiate your claims then, reasonable people will dismiss them and rightfully so. Still, I prefer the “truth” whatever that is – and if knowing that Jesus never existed and when we die that’s it, then, so be it. I guess I’ll have to appreciate my time on earth as much as I can and for as long as I can. Now, what is [b]YOUR[/b] problem with that?
Pete “You keep mentioning the millions killed in the name of Christianity. Man’s perversion of Christs’ Word has certainly created chaos and death, however, it is insincere of you to attribute the actions of false men to the Message of Love from the Son.”
Actually, Jesus is a piss-poor example. We could find much better examples in people who actually lived and contributed to the world in a variety of ways. What has Jesus [b]REALLY[/b] done? If he was such a great example for the world to follow then why did nobody notice him until [b]AFTER[/b] he was already dead? Get the pamphlet titled, “Why Jesus?” from ffrf.org written by a former Preacher of 20 years.
Pete “But really now, what burden is it to you if the world has even billions following a Teaching of honor for God and love for neighbor?”
LOL, you seem only hold love -with strings attached for those who are as bigoted as you, Pete. And “teaching of honor for god” is debatable. I don’t find it impressive.
Pete “What you offer mankind, vile sweetie is NO HOPE. “
mmm, no, LOL, that’s what Jesus offers – fraudulent hope and false security. What I get from Acharya’s works (yes, I’ve read them, have you, Pete?) is an awe of the marvelous and fantastic world that we actually live in. You know, that world that Christians and other Abrahamic religious devotees see as it belongs to the devil.
“The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” And the Bible identifies him, saying: “The one called Devil and Satan … is misleading the entire inhabited earth.” 1 John 5:19 ; Revelation 12:9
Humm, is the devil really that powerful or is god just so weak that he can’t snap his fingers and fix the world? Not really asking – it just sounds so comic book to me … if it just weren’t for that damn kryptonite!
Pete “You label those that love God and neighbor as murderers and naive, misguided noobs. “
They do that all on their own w/o any help from others. Just as you’re doing here in your own post.
Pete “GO! GO! into your closet and BEG the Son, the one empowered with our judgment forgive you for your disrespect.”
That crap only works on those who believe in fairly tales. Prove Jesus existed. And what about all the disrespect and harassment from Christians?
What I thought, too.
I remember the day – July 16, 1964 – the day the lady down the street had me say the sinners prayer- was written down in a little blue new testament she gave me. I have it still. In my big Bible collection I was so proud of …..
And then, around the time I was exploring my inner consciousness using cubensis, having so many questions about my “faith” and what I’d been taught and wanting to be a realist, I stepped back and examined what I had come to believe.
And I saw I had been programmed by fear all of my life. And I had denied myself LIFE for so long. And then when I began to see that Jesus may not have existed, could have been a mushroom (yes, I know, Allegro), but that there was no proof that he existed even at all … and once I really started seeking truth and used my brain and looked at what astrotheology had to do with world history and religious development … I came to the conclusion that I had stepped from darkness (a believer) into light (a non-believer). Absolutely everything was backwards.
And what was worse, the more I learned about the nature of reality, the more my friends – mostly religious – had to do with me. Or, was it worse that I lost those friends? I don’t think so.
So, to simply use the guy above me in his own words: “the more I realized that that amazing feeling I got at church was no different than the same feeling people get at, say, a rock concert, and was originating inside my brain, not by some supposed holy spirit.
It took me several years to finally come to terms with the loss of something so beloved to me, my religion, but I finally did.
So in fact, it’s not that simple. Jesus doesn’t live, because he never existed.”
That sums it up for me.
And Pete, you are simply a deluded ass.
Faith is the only answer
Jeff, First let me say that I’m sorry there were two similar posts re David’s throne (Internet Explorer told me the first didn’t go through!).
If I did not understand that there are different dispensations taught in Scripture, I would have lost my faith by now, so I understand where you’re coming from. It’s clear that a different dispensation began with the Apostle Paul because the next thing on Israel’s time schedule was the “time of Jacob’s Trouble” and it didn’t come. (Acts 2:16 – “this is that”). God interrupted the last days of Israel’s earthly program in order to populate the heavenly places with a people saved by grace alone and apart from the law. When that number comes in (Rom. 11:25), God will turn again to Israel and finish fulfilling their prophecy.
In every dispensation, those who wish salvation must obey what God tells them to do, and in this age of grace, he tells us to just believe in his Son’s death, burial, and resurrection. This doctrine was given to us exclusively thru Paul, not thru the earthly Jesus (Rom. 15:8; 2 Cor. 5:16). Therefore, only Paul’s epistles are for today. The Hebrew epistles, Hebrews thru Rev. are for Israel in the future tribulation. This is the only logical answer to why Paul teaches grace thru faith alone but the other books teach faith + doing works of righteousness. When you understand the two major programs of God: Israel to inherit the earth; and the Body of Christ to populate the heavens, the Bible will make sense for the first time.
It does take faith to even begin to study out the matter and so I hope that you will find enough faith to consider that there is a Creator and that he did give us a guide to what he’s doing with us.
Faith is only needed because reason & evidence are lacking. Judging from all the inspired works & prophets out there, there were many creators who gave us many conflicting guides to what he’s doing with us. And if the Old Testament is any kind of accurate recording of the words & actions of our creator, I want nothing to do at all with him.
Dispensationalism is an ad-hock (sorry to be wearing that term out) theologian’s tool for putting weight on the convenient parts of scripture & getting out from under the ugly & inconvenient stuff (guess it stopped being inspired).
The muslims believe something of the sort that puts God’s followers under his last prophet, Muhammad. Or was it Joseph Smith? You don’t accept those “dispensations” for some of the same reasons Jews don’t accept Christianity. Whatever best suits this or that group’s purposes is “inspired” & cannonised. Just add faith.
Paul, who never met Jesus or quotes a word he said, had a “vision” (dream, hallucination) & proceeded to teach something different from & even directly contrary to the synoptic Jesus’s words. That’s the kind of thin strand that the whole theology hangs on. Not too much unlike the Mormons, really.
On a lighter note, although I disagree with you & your ilk frequently, I’ve often appreciated the civil, friendly tone. You, & not some of the crass deviants that post on the net, are the rule & I know they don’t represent you at all. Thanks again.
Thank you
Jeff, Just a note to thank you for your compliment to us Christians who don’t come out with our guns blasting! My younger son is an atheist so I find them just as easy to love as Christians! FYI, my son does see the logic of rightly dividing the Bible, even though he doesn’t believe the message. He actually took some Worldwide Church of God missionaries through the Bible trying to show them that we don’t need water baptism today, never once letting on that he was an atheist.
I’ll be hoping that you’ll keep a little crack in your mind open to the possibility that there is one Creator and that we are ultimately accountable to him. I wish you all the best in this world and the next.
Deborah
Religious Spirit in the Aquarian Age
I can not help but feel anxious in the presence of those who expound a literal truth is contained in the pages of the Christian Bible. These folk are somewhat frustrated by the disbelief that meets their frantic efforts to proselytize truth. (one wonders at the glee they felt when torturing the Templars and witches in prior incarnations).
It is intriguing to I, that folk such as these with an apparent need to find succor in a supra-entity who will put things right on Earth, haven’t got to the point that it is in our hands to do the job.
The thing to learn, taught also in Christianity in its pure form, is to find that crystal within which points to a way of being appropriate to today’s reality. Any efforts directed at dividing and placing oneself above or apart from another (none so holy as I) will usually be met with further schism and disunity.
If Christian belief centres on one God??… (the various cults and streams within the Christianity beg this question) it would surely be appropriate to join the ecumenical effort to find accommodation within the ranks of Christians and other Beliefs which lead humanity to a common outward purpose.
If this effort cannot be undertaken in any short space of secular time it is probably best that formalized religion and in particular Christianity dies on its own festering corpse of lies. The current engagements by Western Christendom in modern Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and now Yemen and other parts of North Africa represent the continued intrusion of Western mercantile interests into the lands of the Islamic Revelation..
For what purpose? Don’t we in the Christian West have enough material goods that we have to destroy the lives of the impoverished third world to get more stuff… the very stuff that some bearded itinerant on the shores of Galilee suggested we do away with??
Wake up guys there’s a bit of a whopper being told here..
on the same theme…
Let us consider for a moment that which we might cognize given the penetration of our capacity to think and intuit knowledge in its most universal sense.
And at this point we might confine ourselves to the known universe and its process of being..
…and we slowly come to awareness of a field of potential which we mostly interpret through our physical senses, but which we know is mostly energetic, probablistic, but never, I repeat never absolute…
…we interpret it through the convenience of time and space… these phenomena allow us a back drop on which we project our sensory and momentary events and happenings…
the religions/philosophies which comes nearest to this conception are Eastern in origin and Buddhism is the easiest example of a similar cosmology, their field being Brahma.
Christianity despite its claims to deny idolatry is filled with materialism and riches.. and personification of their god(s) in the material world.
It has in the case of the material environment suppressed the eternal feminine principle.. mother, daughter, crone, sacred harlot… the Earth mother principle.. the wisdom or Sophia principle… instead we’ve had mostly the male acquizative principle, the principle of competition.. it’s not that we don’t need these elements of our being.. it’s that we need balance to properly express our fullest potential..
…and it’s not like we need a new revelation or religion.. there are enough now. We perhaps need to look outside ourselves more broadly and with softer eyes.. and within with greater clarity, so that we appreciate our unique value and mission on Earth..
Earth and Heart are an anagram.. the same letters found their way into each conception.. whom organized this coincidence?
I find words and number correspondences fascinating.. but that’s me I’m unique and this aspect of my sense of wonder of the nature of our shared reality is individual.. the thing I share with all others is a divine aspect (provided one subscribes to the oneness principle in whatever form)..
..so thus my experience on Earth in this incarnation as well as being “my thing” has a universal character to it as do all others..
..to see the divine in the other will allow the finger to ease off the trigger.. the sights come to be set on the self..
..new principles that might direct this new epoch in humanity’s drive to define the race include; harmony, balance, honesty, genuine needs met, empathy, creative, competition, love…
dogmatic creeds and non-thinking belief are relics of feudalism and deserve a dignified death and burial.. it all takes time as we are dealing with personal expression and ego, we are dealing with a person’s soul.. a person’s self identification..
..genuine empathy would assist in dealing with the problem belief creates in the world today..
..this is not to provide relativism with more ground, rather to provide humans with the tools to act appropriately and with discrimination to advance their interest as individuals and in concert with community..
..thus all benefit..
..and I dream on..
Acharya:
Everybody keeps quoting from Josephus, but I’m very suspicious of him. Officially, he’was well educated, from a wealthy family, a jew or one can say, Judean, whatever jews were called, at that time.
But he seems to have been atraitor to the Jews – a turncoat- who went over the the Romans, and was taken in. This in itself, seems very strange.
Theres’s an agenda here. Was he a spy for the Romans? Was he really a jew?
In view of this, i do NOT believe anything of Josephus.
As to the famous scrolls, both the Red Sea and the Nag Hammidi, I bet you all I own, that the full writings, have NEVER been revealed to us, the Grassroots.
The refveal the truth, of religions and real History of Humanity would break the grip the ptb have over us.
Frankly, I KNOW there was a Yeshua ben Joseph, an egalitarian, across the Board. he was a Teacher, pointing out the Path of Compassion and Community. That guy loved to party, and dance. He loved his red wine, too. aI also know he was a ladies’ man, unti he met His Woman. That man was never somber or boring, that kind of people never draw others. He drew people like bees to honey.
Then the pharasee Saul came along. And changed it all. Changed the Original Teachings, back to Pharaseism. A U-Turn back to religion.
I hate religion, and I am so glad I am out of it. I do know there is Some Force, a Spiritual Force so beyond Humanity,and that the evidence of this All That Is, is a Phenomena, that in seeing it daily, and shrug it off. And other strange phenomena, passes beyond our eyes, that we don’t understand or care to, that we ignore it. (shades of Charles Fort).
As well, I say, in re. to Pagans, and worshipping Nature, and trees, water, and stones, clay statues, and figures, and animals and MANY GODS – 10, 000 of them.
THAT IS THEIR RIGHT!
It is a Right one is born with! To worship anything they want. JUST What right do christians, or moslems or jews have to tell anybody else, how to worship? Whether Many Gods, or just one?
After many years of research and thinking, that “Who is to say it is even valid to “believe” in One God! What gives religion the right to knock people on the head and insist on ONE GOD!? From Moses and the psycho Jehovah (whatever IT was) to Akhenaten to Mo and Gabriel (whatever It was)
I strongly believe the time of the One God is OVER!
It’s time for individual systems of belief. Many Gods, One Miserable Tweet of a God, or None. Or whichever mood one is in, any given day of the week.
LET’S PARTY!
as i said soemwheerre worship is not a requirement of the creator only the devil. thanks and aknowledgment is all.
Huh? Dead sea scrolls prove without a shadow of doubt of the integrity of oral tradition and the truth of the God known to the Hebrews as Yahweh. All other religions are false. Worshipping Yahweh and Yeshua is not religion. It is truth.
they have not let the scrolls out of their site(israel) since they fired the first team of translators who would not translate them the way israel wanted them to , and then they came down with a mysterious fungus and were locked up i n a airtight clean box and no one seen them since so they have not been fully revealed and what has is only little bits and bites that one cannot use to make anything major out of them just the weay they want it to be, because why did they fire the first translator? because he was true to the crolls and translated the m the way they were written tio the bestt of his ability not the way israel wanted hiom to since israel is the lyinist nation on earth .
the truth
Acharya S I just happened to stumble upon this post of yours so I don’t know much about your books or your back ground. I was woundering if you even have a degree in this subject or if your just a writer who post on this subject. I must say you make some bold statements in your article. I would like to point out one thing that you said in your own words ” Few scholars ” Hmm wow so now if a FEW thousand people think that there is a “God” they must all be right , right? I guess that means you must come to the terms that there is a God since a FEW people think so. Another question do you know anything about Sematic Languages? Well if you did you would know that all the writings would look the same from back in that time of history (Hebrew today is a mix match ) point being and who would of ever thought of it they might all be of the same people of Abraham cause if you know anything on DNA you would know that the Arabs and Jews are cousins wonder how that happened being that none of Torah,Bible or Quran is true in your thinking. In Sematic the word for God is Allah what is neat about this word is it can never be plural as for the lame term in English god see I say gods ,god or to make it mean Allah in English I have to make a G on God. I must say you have no more evidence than a Christian who says Jesus was here on the Earth nor any evidence that ” All Scholars ” hold the same view of the dds. Till you have 100% proof keep your Myths to yourself 🙂
Thank you. For someone who admittedly doesn’t know my work, you have nevertheless made several bold conclusions about it yourself.
My “few scholars” quote in this article is:
There is nothing erroneous about that statement, so your criticism of it is a straw man raised in order to prove another point altogether.
“Till you have 100% proof keep your Myths to yourself ”
Again, a bold statement for someone who has admitted knowing nothing about my work.
Cheers.
work?
What work?
Acharya I can make bold statements on the article that I have read. A Few is not all I am sure your a smart person who knows what the word theory means this is all that this article states theory. So my question to you is Acharya do I assume the gospels are innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent? i have a theory on which way you will answer but I will wait for the proof 🙂 Another question Acharya if there was proof of Jesus on the earth would you then say there was a God or would you then revert to something else that you don’t like about the books ? My theory is you just like to take cheap shots at any ones faith. If you were a scholar on the subject you would know that you must bear the burden of proof not the other way around cause you have 3 books that say other wise. (I have looked around you site here I think you go into an area in which you have no idea about which is Islam the posts you made on it are wrong I would be happy to answer your questions on my faith and those that I could not I would point you to a scholar
who could on the subject ) Assalamu Alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu 🙂
Rudeguy
oneformydeen, you readily admit that you know practically nothing about Acharya’s writings, yet, you obviously take quite a negative stand against her. Why don’t you spend a few bucks as I did, and learn something important enough to make you think, perhaps REALLY for the first time, concerning religion, and you will come away without your ‘faith’ you mentioned and be free for the first time. I also was burdoned with a ‘faith’ all my life, as I was indoctrinated by my parents, although innocently by them, as they too had been influenced by their parents. All religions are fables, lies, and tall tales and once one sees that and gets away from it for awhile and learns to think critically, one wonders how on earth they could have been so naive. It feels great to at last be free, trust me.
Whew
Hehehehehe…
Funny.
Why are many prophecies in the bible being fulfilled one by one?
Hehehehehehe… I don’t need to answer it here. You can all search or google by yourself…
Peace, people…
hehehehehehe
Yes we will have a new religion if the ptb have there way.
one to suit the water carrier,same as moses smashed the calf, for the ram symbolised, then came the two fishes they will be replaced with aquarius
but jesus still is king of kings. ecause try as you might this is only part of it
Religion – the greatest control mechanism devised
😀 Religion is the greatest and most efffective control mechanism devised by men.
It is so obvious it is untrue, people who refuse to think for themselves will rather have some divine intervention to take the blame and the credit, taking all the responsibility and accountability away from themselves.
Religion is a cop out, an excuse for the realities of life. The bible on the other hand is just a book of literature, study it by all means but (for god’s sake) it’s only a book written by the literate few of the day and not by some holy ghost, amen.
Jesus follower, Christian skeptic reads the NT
I’m glad to have found this website. I’m reading the epistles of the New Testament and find it to be a third part of the problem I have with the New Testament: 1. They overlaid the myth of Horus etc. over the story of Jesus. 2. Jesus’ moral teachings are simple, yet difficult to follow, and apparently were not flashy enough to create a meme. 3. The apostles go on to write to their congregations and what they write gets farther and farther away from Jesus’ moral philosophy, ie “We are not doing good to get people’s favor, only God’s BUT behave modestly and don’t let women talk in church and so on.
I’m sure they cobbled Christianity out of whatever sources they could, then put their personal will to control people into that. For me, I will try to stick with Jesus’ message of forgiving your brother and giving.
have a little faith
indeed. keep it simple. being good is the challenge. good is simple, but not easy. if you are influenced by negative, ask God into your heart, to be your guide. If ever challenged by a negative temptation, just ask God for help. Peace.
what is the author of this article afraid to say this about islam ?
muslims will say their religion predates christianity, athiest are such puzzies
If understand your illiterate rubbish correctly, you are calling me an “atheist” and a “pussy,” and insinuating that I don’t criticize Islam.
All three of your assumptions are incorrect and merely reveal your own inadequacies in comprehension and research, as well as your total lack of social graces.
If you even looked around at this site for a few minutes, you would have seen that I criticize Islam quite severely. Please go blow your smoke elsewhere.
peace pipe
Hey lets all gather in the tepee of the world and smoken peace pipe in honor of the human family past, present & future before God raises up a new generation of man out of disgust from our bickering. God works in mysterious ways. One planet one People.
God
thanks for reading this. have a good day. love each other. be nice. don’t get caught up in the complexities presented to us by those who have been negatively influenced. bring peace, joy, happiness to this earth. worek hard. don’t expect perfection on earth. love conquers all. Aloha 🙂
Funny
It’s funny that you want to disprove GOD’s existence. Prophecy is a much more powerful tool to prove CHRIST’s existence because there are some reasonable calculations that can be done whereas eye witness accounts are more fallible. Saying that the scrolls predate CHRIST’s existence is helping not hurting, lol. Praise be to GOD!!!!!!!
This article is not about proving or disproving the existence of God.
The point of the article is that these ideas of a savior, etc., existed long before the creators of Christianity took them from the Pagans and reworked them in order to create the fictional character in the New Testament called “Jesus Christ.”
There’s nothing “prophetic” about using a BLUEPRINT to build a building.
Christianity
Where does Christianity claim to be a unique or devine inspiration. It claims to be the offshoot of Judaism, based upon the arrival of the messiah.
I havent read your book, but on the surface, it seems that you are claiming to have proven the what nobody has ever disputed.
What If I were to say;
I wish to declare that now finally after much research I can prove, beyond doubt that water, is in fact.. wet. This despite what any swimmers may tell you.
A basic tenet of Christianity is that it is a new and original revelation of the divine – i.e., God – through the person of Jesus Christ, who brought the “good [i]news[/i]” of the gospel. Christian doctrine does not claim that Christianity is a mere rehash of Judaism or any other prior religious, mythological or spiritual tradition.
My work demonstrates that there is little original to Christianity – and it is quite likely that my work contains [i]many [/i]details and facts that the average person does not know about the ancient world and its religious and mythological beliefs. As may be obvious, few Christians seem to know much about their own religion, much less that of other cultures and eras.
soul
Hey good looking. Have you written anything about the Soul?
Jesus didn’t speak many original words while here
Most of the words Jesus Christ spoke while on the earth, he spoke to prophets in the past while he was in heaven, and Jesus himself was the word of God. So your claims that the words prophets and Jesus spoke were not original, do not disprove Christianity in any way. Nice try though. You’ll have to come up with a better deception than that Satan!
This may be of a truth, but in the last days Satan will produce overwhelming evidence contrary to the authenticity of the word of God. Especially Christ being God and man, and him crucified. It will get so bad that God has no choice but to cut the times short, least the vary elect be deceived as well. The tricks of the trade have become outrageous and unfair. This will cause a heavy hand to be leaned on those who use such techniques.
True christianity is…
True Christianity is not dependant on any bible, prophetic utterances, writings of any kind, historical facts, dead sea scrolls, observance of seven sacraments, feasts or holidays, or any man made religious beliefs. True Christianity is a one on one relationship between you and the Almighty. Personally I have tried many ways to get results from God, with little success. That is, until I decided to give Christ a try. Sounded like a good plan, having a savior who sacrificed himself for me. Christ was unique, God and man, and a mediator between me and God. I liked the idea. Since God didn’t seem to answer me in the past, I thought, what do I have to loose. After accepting Jesus I did get answers to prayers, at first they were not the answers I desired, but my desires changed for the better. I didn’t realize it, but I entered into a contract with him, same as those that enter into contracts with devils. He owned me now, and I was not my own. This is why Christians can’t keep their mouth shut, the Holy Spirit has the right to speak to whosoever he wills through the vessel now. Not to worry though, God doesn’t believe in cramming his words and will down peoples throat. Christians on the other hand get a little over zealous in trying to please God, and actually push people away from God. For that I apologize. But the fact remains, I personally can testify that a simple prayer from the heart making Jesus Christ of Nazareth your Lord and Savior will change things. May be not for the better while on earth, but you will have eternal life, and that’s what is really important, isn’t it?
what things changed for you? do you know yourself?
I don’t agree with you . Jesus Christ is a mythical figure and he was /is not the son of some mythical god. I don’t want to carry on and on about this as it can get long. The short of it is you only have one life to live as there is no afterlife and surviving this life hoping for a better (after)life is just a waste of you valuable time here – you might just as well die and get to your better life, why waste time?
initiated
back in the days before there was a Nazareth my vote would go to Appolonius of Tyana ( a nazarene or esscene), although Mohammad real kept the Arabians in line.Today I vote for the most recent messenger from God whose message is the same as all those long before whose remains are intured on Mt. Carmel after the first 750 rifles (firing squad) failed to cause any harm and a second squad achieved success after permission was given to continue by the deceased. All these Messengers, Prophets, sages etc. all taught that the world is but one country and mankind is its ciitizens. Love ya all.
authenticity
The problem with gabbing about stuff that may or may not be historically real is that it just takes you further away from the essential. All the followers of Christ I know lead inauthentic lives, which makes them unChristian. In these circumstances, what does it matter whether Jesus was real or not? Either way, his inspiration apparently didn’t extend to the modern era.
The greatest exponent of the authentic life was Socrates, whose Christlike life and death are so well documented to be beyond dispute. He chose to die in order to be authentic to what he conceived his life and his self to be. His message to us was that an unexamined life is a life not worth living. Examining it is more important than getting down on one’s knees to worship a god figure, or declaring yourself a mindless follower of a Messiah.
I think if we got off Jesus Christ’s case and looked into the life and death of Socrates, we’d achieve a lot more than this debate is likely to, going around in circles and eventually going up its own shirt. I get nothing out of ignorant people calling others ignorant. What a bore! Apart from Acharya, I didn’t detect any or much authenticity. Having an opinion is fine. But just the fact of having one doesn’t merit clogging up cyberspace with it. I place no value on anything that has the ‘INAUTHENTIC’ stamp on it, as so much has today.
The problem with having any sort of belief is that it traps you into an inauthentic life. One has to dump the lot, and start from scratch, abandoning all the crap we got indoctrinated with growing up – from priests, pastors, parents, politicians and pedagogues (all those P’s in the soup!). Accept the despair that is our rightful birthright, then proceed to put some meaning into your life, and some backbone. That’s the sort of good a divine essence would prefer to work through in manifesting in the world.
That’s a discussion I wouldn’t be bored with. What about it, folks? Let’s read a bit of Tillich, Fromm, Camus, Rollo May, Sartre, Kirkegaard and real people of our modern era who put more into it than the cutters and pasters of biblical times. This Christ fellow you’re all on about wouldn’t go near a church if he showed up again. I have a feeling he’d avoid this discussion like the plague too. Not authentic. But he didn’t exist, so why all the gab? Especially with so much inauthenticity clogging up the works?
He chose to die in order to be authentic to what he conceived his life and his self to be.
I’d be very interested in your (authentic) source of this belief. I read the records as showing Socrates had no choice about dying – just how. He chose slow paralysis over extended, manual, internal cardiac squeezing.
If you object to strongly to the “unauthentic” “opinions” of others “clogging” up “your” cyberspace – move on. So sorry a discussion about the causes of some of the main human manufactured social problems confronting the planet doesn’t meet your existentialist standards. Perhaps you might find another forum more suitable? Have you heard of a “search engine”?
This Christ fellow you’re all on about wouldn’t go near a church
Your logic is damaged, agreeing that “Jesus, Son of God” never existed doesn’t make it less so. What are you trying to say?
Thank you. I appreciate that you as a self-described devoted Christian find my work interesting, but if you had dealt with Christian fanatics for the past 15 years as I have done online, you would understand that my description of Christian programming as “mind numbing” is accurate enough.
Over the centuries, many scholars and academicians have utilized such polemics in order to drive home their points. Indeed, Christian apologists have used MUCH worse language, as well as horrendous violence, to impose their views on nonbelievers.
As is the case with blog writing, my blogs are more polemical then are my scholarly books. If you compare my posts with those of, say, Christian apologists Dr. James McGrath or J.P. Holding, you will find my writing quite tame, indeed. Such individuals engage in extreme hostility and ad homs directed against [i]persons[/i], whereas I speak frankly about [i]ideologies[/i]. There’s a difference. If you are very sensitive to criticism of the Christian ideology, it’s hard to imagine how you could enjoy my writing at all.
Again, I am directing my attention to an IDEOLOGY, not a person, and you might want to consider not taking criticism of Christianity personally. Moreover, Christianity is responsible for the torture and murders of tens of millions of people worldwide – that’s why they call the period during which Christianity reigned supreme the “Dark Ages.” Knowing that fact, I’m actually handling it with kid gloves. What I’d really like to say is that Christianity is an absurd, sexist and ethnically bigoted manmade cult that has seen its time. Since you say you enjoy my writing, I hope you like that bit. :whistle:
By the way, “BS” means “bullshit,” and I don’t engage in “bullshit,” so there’s no reason to filter my words through a “BS filter.” Basically, you are using an ad hom personal attack on me by saying I’m writing “BS,” in order to defend an ideology against MILD criticisms that were NOT personally directed at you.
Cheers.
Goading the crazies? Well done! 🙂
You have a genuine gift for drawing the nutters into an argument, Acharya — and there are swarms of them on both sides. 🙂
I, myself, am a practicing and devoted Christian, and I don’t see any inherent contradiction in the notion that the Bible (and other scripture) is both the Word of God and a compiled collection of earlier writings. On the other hand, I must take issue with your frequent and deliberate use of needlessly inflammatory statements. I enjoy your writing, and I have found your research and explanations invaluable in my own search for the truth (or Truth, if you prefer); but I would be inclined to place higher value on your personal insights if I didn’t have to run everything you write through an industrial-strength BS filter before digesting it.
I realize that you deliberately include these, often very subtle, digs at the religionists (e.g., “…[i]cut-and-paste job[/i],” and, “…[i]mind-numbing programming[/i]…”). It certainly makes your writing more entertaining to read, and there can be no doubt that it serves a larger promotional purpose when hundreds of angry [i]cultists[/i] comment on a short blog post — but I wonder if your work wouldn’t be more broadly received by non-extremists, such as myself, if you were to adopt a more scholarly tone.
Anyway, keep up the good work. I’ll continue to read Achayra S. for her ability to help me draw useful conclusions from the best information currently available — the snarky bits notwithstanding.
I see your point – I was raised as and used to be a Christian. Then I saw the light (sorry, couldn’t help myself), and I now have to say that I openly share the resentment and contempt that many non-Christians have for the religion. I *try* to hide it, get over it, deal with it, even lovingly accept it (a monumental task), but it is difficult as, and PLEASE do not be offended, I truly do not mean any offense here….
1. It is hard for me to accept that any intelligent mind capable of grasping scientific data, historical data, or any logic or common sense whatsoever could ever take the Bible or Christ story literally. I’m sorry, but leprachauns and dragons are more believable. Due to that fact (or belief), it is hard to take any argument or criticism or intellectual discussion from a Christian seriously. It’s almost like having a 3 year old tell you their view of the world (bunnies painted the flowers purple for their tea party with the teddy bears) and you try to explain reality.
2. Many, many Christians are so self righteous and close minded that they either can not or will not consider that anything outside their extremely limited world view has any value or truth to it. How one could argue with a point they have not even weighed intellectually for one second is beyond me. Especially when their is scientific PROOF. It is beyond frustrating to try to have a reasonable discussion with such a person.
3. The self righteousness spewing from the vast majority of Christians (who themselves are some of the most bigoted, hateful people I have come across, besides women who have just received a bad haircut….) and the control they try to retain over other’s lives (abortion, gay marriage, etc.) because of their religious beliefs gives the rest of us good reason to resent and in some cases hate your religion.
You’ll have to forgive us if we don’t treat you with the respect you feel you deserve. (No, literally, I’m pretty sure Jesus commanded it.) Though, kudos to you, you seem to be one of the more enjoyable ones. The kind I could have at a dinner party and have a normal discussion with. 🙂
Thank you Achara S for your efforts to bring enlightenment to this subject. It’s sad that with eyes to see and ears to hear, the many can do neither!
Thanks again for your work.
I think every religion is right. I believe none of the events in the Bible, QU’ran, ect never happened, but are values to live our lives by. The Dead Sea scrolls are just the oldest text with these stories.
I am an Atheist but I am fascinated with this kind of stuff. Christians are great people but when having an argument, you can’t use Bible verses as fact because they are not. Places in the bible can be proven through archaeology but thats about it. Quoting the bible in an argument to prove something is like me quoting the Odessey to prove the Greek Gods are real.
The bible is a Excellent book the gather your morals from, but nothing more. I can’t revolve my life around a book thats been altered, tampered with. I can’t call someone my messiah that we only have 4 out of his 32 years of existence on record.
The Dead Sea Scrolls & Messianic Prophecies and pr
This article seems a little gnostic in origin the word gnostic means “to enlighten” or “knowledge” I have watched many documentaries about the gnostic texts including the gospel of mary, gospel of Judas, the gospel of Barnaabas… Most of the gnostic gospels where destroyed during the council of nycea where cannonical books where made in the bible. The dead sea scrolls where supposably wriiten by the Essenes yet there is no proof or knowledge ever of this statement. The gnostic gospels including the famous the infancy gospel of christ protrays jesus as a evil child who was un-ruley until he grows up and becomes the Christ we know to love. I am a devout christian and much i know about the gnostic text is that much of islam built upon these writings. In the suras…Jesus makes Birds come to life from clay. This miracle was also in the infancy gospel of Jesus…. Proving islamic liturature is part of a gnostic origin sounds kind of peculiar. The dead scrolls aren’t gnostic. They where made by a people in grief….who are trying to get ready for god and the first and only messiah Jesus. The dead sea scrolls where made for a purpose and it is to preserve the ancient Jewish teachings which was destroyed by there conqueror’s. The dead sea scrolls predict a new age….an age where the sons of darkness most likely (the Israelites who went against there faith to join paganism) V.S Sons of Light most likely (Those that are faithful of the torah and don’t worship false deities) The dead sea scrolls show many ancient manuscripts with it as well as “the book of Jubilee” “the book of Enoch” “the War Scroll” “The copper scrolls” (also known as the treasure scroll) are coded books which tell a foretelling of future events…The dead sea scrolls are very delicate so putting it together took money and time. The Dead Sea scrolls prove many Christian theories right. Also proves the bible is original. The Dead Sea scrolls are written in three of the world languages of the time. Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. So the translations are what make the Bible seem unoriginal. The Dialect of ones language can change through definitions so they would find the closest words to define it. Sometimes words can be failed and finding a close word can be difficult. They didn’t have the Printing press or typing to make writing easier. So there would be mistakes so they would find intelligent writers and scholars to make it right. The Dead Sea scrolls are not as accurate as it seems. The people who wrote the copper scroll wrote where treasure was hidden. Yet nobody has ever found it…So grave robbers are the highest solution. I have studied the Dead Sea scrolls in a book. Not much of it is accurate. The people who wrote it was also persecuted which made the process much more difficult. The people who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls where quite radical. They actually referred to there own time would be the end of a age. Yet the book of St.John the book of revelation refers not to there time but are time. The book of revelation reads…..The rest of the dead did not come till the thousand years had ended….Blessed and holy are those who share in the first, resurrection. revelation 20: 5 As I might add the reason why the dead sea scrolls where deemed against the Jews of that time is because of the falling away of tradition. The Jews where going against god worshipping Heathenism gods, marrying outside the faith and making deals with there conquerors’ this lead to the belief in a redeemer a man who can bring forth peace among the Jews and pagans. Jesus of Nazareth will bring forth a new covenant that would last eternity. The Dead Sea scrolls are made to bring forth the son of light (Jesus). A verse from the Old Testament proves Jesus was promised by God (Yahweh) There is what Christians call the Fifth, gospel the book of Isaiah prophecies the coming of Jesus….. Isaiah was written 700 years before Christ and is even older than the Dead Sea scrolls So Messianic prophecies aren’t a new Idea among Jews. Please read the fifth Gospel the Book of Isaiah it might even strengthen your faith. Atheists must realize if you want to die and never see the light. Listen and heed my words god will strike you and disprove your theories when he returns. Soon Christ will return and prove life is after death and thank you all for reading.
a bit off topic
Hi. Question for Achara. There are folks saying the quote by Leo X regarding Jesus as fraud generating profit is a fake. Any elaboration appreciated. Seems every time I mention this stuff Christians cite some new working “proving” Jesus etc.
Mark, it is off topic here, but it has already been addressed in the forum …
Pope Leo X – http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=14863
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yeah and Je-sus went to eat peanuts for the lost years. Actually, he was receiving some enlightenment in India. He was a mortal and died a natural death. By the way, what’s wrong with his followers today? they are looking for his grave. why try to prove He is God or is he mortal?
Simple but powerful evidence
No need to respond to me cuz I’ll not be back to this site. Yes I’m a Christian. For those of you who fight so hard to disprove the bible, Jesus, etc..? Why? Can’t you fight poverty or crime or increasing taxes or something that will improve your very short life? If there is no heaven, why waist so much time fighting the teachings of a perfect man. How can anyone say they don’t want their neighbor to be someone like Jesus. I’m 51 yrs old now and surely I know that if everyone lived like Jesus teaches our societies would be awesome. Have any of you non believers seen what godless men do to people and societies? I’m tired of typing. Just one last thought. Do some of y’all really believe Paul and other writers in the bible just made all this up? They are liars and died supporting great myths? Man are y’all really thinking this through. And would y’all really want a society like atheist Russia? Just my thoughts, I have no intention to offend. May we all live in and know the truth!!!
Mike, I’ve created a thread about your quote.
Why Disprove the Bible, Jesus & Religion?
FTL
hmmm
There is one way to debunk efferything about any god, just take a moment and pray, pray for something other than money, perhaps an enlightenment. do this not saying the true name of your god. while inhaling the air that you can not see but you have trust and faith that it is there hang on to there is no god and you will have nothing to live for but our simple complex minds as we like to call them are self cenered and we do things our way
god bless
close you eyes and open your hearts for what the lord has for you
for our eyes will deceive and will stear you not to beleive
The simple minded are so easily fooled. When you really stop to think about all the tenets of Christianity, one has to admit that Santa Claus is more easily believed to be literally real. Yes, I am not likely to be spiritually terrorized into forming a personal relationship with a two thousand year old dead Jewish man and celebrate him by pretending to cannibalize him. Because that makes sense…
The Tyranny speaks for itself in the babel bible !
If you do not believe in a deity or God/Goddess than it should be A-deist not Atheist…
Know the truth. Christians have raped beaten & killed their wives & got away with it because of the bible. http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/124174/biblical_battered_wife_syndrome%3A_christian_women_and_domestic_violence_/
In many states it was still legal to rape your wife until the 1970’s.
The meaning of an Atheist is without (A) Theos Greek for utterances or sayings. Theist comes from the word Theos. We are all atheist if we do not believe in one another’s utterances.
The word god comes from the German word Godan/Gotten which comes from the Norse male myth deity Wotan/Odin.
All the world’s religions are made from mythology and that is a fact. The people mostly men ministering these religions are liars or very much uninformed. Dozens of Scholars confirm the fact that all these religions are based on made up mythological stories. In fact evil is written within all these man made religions but they deceive you by expecting you to have the little girl/boy mind and not question what all is in these books. Now that there is the internet we can pull up information about what is in all these religions. Take advantage of the last 200 years of real scholarly research during the age of enlightenment. There is a lot of history that surrounds all the religions that exist outside of what is written in the religious text. Here is some not so nice things the myth Jesus & new & old testament says.
Matthew 10:34. “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
“And that servant [slave], which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.” (Luke 12:47) He never denounced servitude, incorporating the master-slave relationship into many of his parables.
By the way the word Lord comes from Europe. A Lord was a land owner. You could not leave the Lord (land owner) without his permission. If you did you would be captured/ punished or killed by the Lord…….Look up the futile system in Europe. Why do you think our relatives left Europe? It is pure ignorance to say Jesus is Lord………
“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” (Luke 14:26)
The burning of unbelievers during the Inquisition was based on the words of Jesus: “If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” (John 15:6)
When one of his disciples requested time off for his father’s funeral, Jesus rebuked him: “Let the dead bury their dead.” (Matthew 8:22)
“Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.” (Judges 19:24-25)
How is the babble bible much different from Islam?
“Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” (I Timothy 2:11-14
Subjection: Bring, make under domination or control, esp. by conquest.
There is a damn good reason why there is a separation from religion & state. Women did not get the right to vote until the 1920’s because of the cruel/misogynistic bible.
Google Hitler was Catholic & the Vatican & a few Jews & Muslims helped the Nazis…..
& Google (You tube) ” Did the Vatican Create Islam” ……
Suggested reading: “Christ Conspiracy the Greatest Story Ever Sold.” It explains the history & mythology behind the Judeo/Christian & Islam which followed after (Vatican helped created Islam)
Here is another reason I left religion click on link below
Atheist http://atheists.org/blog/2011/07/29/fox-news-facebook-page-on-911-cross-generates-death-threats-against-atheists
Google “The Founding Fathers Were Not Christian”
The most stringent controls on speech in the colonial period were controls that outlawed or otherwise censored speech that was considered blasphemous in a religious sense. A 1646 Massachusetts law, for example, punished persons who denied the immortality of the soul. In 1612, a Virginia governor declared the death penalty for a person that denied the Trinity under Virginia’s Laws Divine, Moral and Martial, which also outlawed blasphemy, speaking badly of ministers and royalty, and “disgraceful word.
Please go to following links to learn more…
The Naked Truth http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8251447278663885234#
Truth Be Known http://www.truthbeknown.com/christ.htm
Jesus Never Existed http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/index.html
Religion Poisons http://religionpoisons.wordpress.com/2011/08/27/the-vatican-and-the-nazis/
American Atheist http://atheists.org/blog/2011/07/29/fox-news-facebook-page-on-911-cross-generates-death-threats-against-atheists
The Founding Fathers were not Christian http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html
The Evil Bible http://www.evilbible.com/
Empire of The City – Ring of Power http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w-A54h_GQ8
Definition of Theos (found on portion of page that reads “History of the Term” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology
The Role of Women in Nazi Germany http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/Women_Nazi_Germany.htm
The Dark Bible & Women’s Inferior Status http://nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible7.htm
The Bible & Gender Inequality http://www.stopthereligiousright.org/suffrage.htm
Nazis – The Occult Conspiracy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYug7hTvI-s
The Position of Women: The Teachings of the Theologians http://www.rejectionofpascalswager.net/womenfathers.html
Mentor
You are blinded because can not see the other side of your argument. In the only evidence you can give you do not realize that you are making positive the case for the belief of the messiah of all Christians. Yes it is a true they “copy” the most ancient writings. Parts of The Prophecy of Isaiah scroll was thought by Jews to be violated and changed by Christians especially the 53rd chapter. After the Dead Sea scrolls were discovered the Jews discovered Christian did not violate their Isaiah scroll and today over a million Jews have begun to profess the Christ the Messiah that has come to the world. Now take careful note, true time and set times events of God for worship is being restored to the original text (the records were mistranslated as pagan artificial time for over a thousand five hundred years). You would be a wise man to research this awesome convincing power of the written records of “Time” and set time events to worship that will prove with the most awesome power to convince the humble of heart that Messiah the Christ has truly come. http://www.biblementor.com Be honest and Check it out for the best of your life.
Falsehoods in the Bible
My good friends, please read this, http://divineradiancefellowship.blogspot.com/2011/10/seeking-and-validating-jesus-using-his.html and many more articles on the blog.
This article makes me sad : (
the authors demonstrate they are out of their depth as they show an absolute lack of knowledge on biblical studies, or the bible text itself. Or Chirsitianity and its cliams for that matter.
God Does Exists
The attempts to debunk Christianity are all based on weak assumptions, no evidence, and ignoring all evidences. The reason is because some people prefer to believe in what they see only in the naked eyes, and refute what comes to logic. There are so many proofs of the existence of God Yahweh, and that the Messiah is His son, but only to the person who wants to see the truth, not who wants to shape everything according to his aims.
The proofs of God’s existence, and that the Bible is His word are many, and they can be summarized as follows.
1-Authors
The Bible’s books (66 books) are written by more than [b]40 authors[/b], throughout [b]1,600 years [/b](from 1500 BC to 100 AD). God inspired to the authors what they write. The authors are from different continents, and they lived in different times. Nevertheless, the books do not contradict each other.
When 40 authors, from different continents and times, write about the same God, they cannot be inventing something from their own. They must all have the same source, which is the inspiration of God.
2-Prophecies
The Bible contains many prophecies. Some of the prophecies were sharply implemented, as mentioned. The most notable historical prophecy is about the birth of the Messiah (e.g., [b]Isaiah 7: 14; 9: 6; Micah 5: 2; Hosea 6: 2; Psalms 22: 8, Zechariah 9: 9[/b], just to name a few of hundreds of the prophecies about the Messiah).
For instance, [b]Micah (5: 2)[/b] prophesies that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem Ephrata. David ([b]Psalms 22: 8[/b]) also prophesied about the mocking Jesus would receive (you can compare this with [b]Matthew 27: 43[/b]). [b]Zechariah 9: 9[/b] tells about Jesus entering Jerusalem on the foal of a donkey (compare this with [b]Matthew 21: 1-9[/b]).
Another prophecy that concerns our days is the rebirth of the nation of Israel and the return of the Messiah. There are multiple of such prophecies. For instance, in [b]Matthew 23: 37-39[/b], the Messiah foretells the destruction of the second temple and the scattering and suffering of the Jews (which happened later on in year 70 AD), and also vows they won’t see Him again until they believe in Him. Today we see Israel winning major wars against larger armies (although it would lose some in the future); this would make them believe that their victories is not just by them.
The most notable prophecies about Israel is the rebirth of this nation and the return of the Jews to their homeland:
[b]Isaiah 66: 8-10[/b]
Who has heard such a thing? who has seen such things? Shall a land be born in one day? shall a nation be brought forth at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? says Yahweh: shall I who cause to bring forth shut [the womb]? says your God.
Rejoice you with Jerusalem, and be glad for her, all you who love her: rejoice for joy with her, all you who mourn over her;
There are many similar prophecies about the return of the Jews and that they would purchase their lands, such as [b]Jeremiah 16: 14-15, Jeremiah 32: 44[/b], and [b]Zechariah 12: 2-3[/b].
The rebirth of the Israel is the main sign of the near return of the Messiah. Expectations go from 5 to about 150 years ahead.
3-Science:
There are many facts that the Bible revealed prior to scientists discovered, and which were viewed otherwise by all people. For instance, while in the past people used to believe that the earth was flat, prophet Isaiah was the first to declare that the earth is rounded ([b]Isaiah 40: 22[/b]). Prophet Job also declared that the earth is in the air, not laying on anything ([b]Job 26: 7[/b]). Job also talked about the dinosaur ([b]Job 40: 15-24[/b]). He also described how the rain is formed ([b]Job 36: 27-29[/b]).
4-Miracles and Logic
Jesus performed several miracles in front of people. For instance, we read in [b]John 11 [/b]that Jesus revived Lazarus. In [b]Mark 5: 22-42 [/b]we read about reviving another person.
It’s important to note that the persons revived are known. They are named. There are witnesses. The books of John and Mark were written just few years (maybe 20 years) after these miracles. That is, they were written at the time the people involved and their families, friends, and neighbors are still there and could have debunked the truth of these books if the miracles were not true.
Many of Christ’s apostles died as martyrs. Why would they choose to be killed for a wrong religion? If Christ did not die and was not then resurrected by God, why would they preach for Him and face oppression and killing? Why did the apostles pay their lives to defend myths? Does a myth deserve that someone pays his life for?
Conversely, why did the Romans and Jews hate Jesus and the apostles, and later killed Him and most of the apostles? Were the Romans and Jews afraid of myths or of real miracles to kill Jesus and the apostles? If Jesus did not do miracles, then none of the people would have followed Him!
5-Supernatural Forces
Many people have experienced supernatural forces. While some of them could experience health problems, it is unrealistic to debunk all stories especially from people who have no mental problems.
[b]Ephesians 6: 12[/b]
For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world’s rulers of the darkness of this age, and against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
A simple examination of the Bible, taking in mind the points mentioned above, should clarify with no doubt the existence of God. God that Christians believe in is named Yahweh, and His son is Jesus the Messiah.
Prophecies?
A lot of the prophecies about Jesus are mistranslations:
http://www.skeptically.org/newtestament/id21.html
http://infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/prophecy.html
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_lippard/fabulous-prophecies.html
It also screws up science as well:
http://www.rejectionofpascalswager.net/astronomy.html
http://www.rejectionofpascalswager.net/taxonomy.html
And some of what you say about the shape of the earth gets contradicted: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Science_Confirms_the_Bible
All in all…the bible isn’t true.
Michel Abi Raad, nobody needs to debunk Christianity as Christians and the bible do that all by themselves by failing miserably to provide their responsibility for ‘burden of proof’ for their claims. After 2,000 years there still exists no credible evidence for Jesus or God. So, why even act surprised when most people think it’s mythology.
1-Authors – not a single author ever met Jesus or God. If they claim to have met them they can provide nothing to substantiate the claim.
2-Prophecies – anybody can read the Old Testament and use it as a blueprint to create the New Testament and make the prophecies fit.
3-Science – there exists no science in the bible as the time period for which we know science was created was around 1,500 years later than Jesus’ day.
4-Miracles and Logic – There’s no credible evidence that Jesus performed any miracles or that he even existed at all. Hardly anything about Christianity is original as it was “borrowed” from other religions. For example, the story of Lazarus being raised from the dead originated in Egypt long before Jesus or Christianity was ever heard of.
God/Jesus is supposed to be the omniscient, omnipotent creator of the universe yet is incapable of leaving behind credible evidence of himself which would:
1. Save xians from persecution
2. Convince billions more skeptics thus saving more souls. Which is what all of this is suppose to be about, right?
So, either God/Jesus doesn’t give a sh*t about you or he doesn’t exist. All theistic arguments have failed. There’s still not a shred of valid evidence for Christian supernatural religious claims. If there were any credible evidence FAITH would not be the main requirement. It seems more likely that religion is a human creation with an obsession of riding the world of non-believers.
For example, in Revelation, at the end of the day with all the tribulation, apocalypse & Armageddon 2/3rds of the human population will be killed in what the religious tolerance website calls “[i]the largest mass extermination of humans in history[/i].”
http://www.religioustolerance.org/rapture.htm
Great God and messiah you’ve got there – NOT!
As I mentioned, you ignore the evidences, and this would not let you find the truth.
For instance, you ignore the prophecies and simply say that anybody reading the Old Testament can make the prophecies fit!!! That’s way too much generalization.
How could one make the prophecies in [b]Isaiah 7: 14; 9: 6[/b] and [b]Micah 5: 2 [/b]fit? They are very explicit about the Messiah.
How could one make the prophecies in [b]Isaiah 66: 8-10, Jeremiah 16: 14-15, Jeremiah 32: 44[/b], and [b]Zechariah 12: 2-3[/b] fit? They are very explicit about the rebirth of the nation of Israel, the return of the Jews to their homeland, and they would keep having troubles.
They are very explicit prophecies. Reasoning is otherwise. Who makes them fit does NOT want the truth! It’s who ignores these prophecies who make things fit their claims. Truth is there for the one who wants to see, but when one wants to ignore the the evidences, he would be in the darkness. Start from facts, and let them lead your reasoning.
Michel Abi Raad, stop accusing everybody of “[i]ignoring the evidence[/i].” Nobody is ignoring the evidence. The evidence simply does not substantiate your claims. The so-called “evidence” is not credible and it can quite easily be debunked. I think [b]it’s time for *YOU* to stop ignoring the COUNTER ARGUMENTS[/b]. Even New Testament and Biblical scholars who are also professed Christians disagree with you:
“Apart from the New Testament writings and later writings dependent upon these, our sources of information about the life and teaching of Jesus are scanty and problematic”
F.F. Bruce, a founder of the modern evangelical movement
– Who Was Jesus? 84
“The Gospels are neither histories nor biographies, even within the ancient tolerances for those genres.”
Dr. John Dominic Crossan
– Who Was Jesus? 24
“The only definite account of his life and teachings is contained in the four Gospels of the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. All other historical records of the time are silent about him. The brief mentions of Jesus in the writings of Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius have been generally regarded as not genuine and as Christian interpolations; in Jewish writings there is no report about Jesus that has historical value. Some scholars have even gone so far as to hold that the entire Jesus story is a myth…”
– The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (v. 6, 83)
There’s more here http://www.freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=11975#p11975
A Brief History of the Apocalypse ([url]http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm[/url])
“I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”
– Historian Stephen Henry Roberts
Jesus, Messiah, Lamb og God, Co-creator, Prince of
Jesus describes people like you who would not believe, He calls them the blind! At the name of Jesus every Knee will bow and every tongue confess that he is lord. God says in Hebrews let all of Gods Angels worship him(Jesus) God also says in hebrews 1 Your throne oh God will last forever and ever and righteousness will be the scepter of your Kingdome. lets go to the book of John, in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God! without him (Jesus) nothing was made that has been made! Dont be a doubter like Thomas but believe because his word is truth, and he loves you, accept his word unconditionally, and he will give you himself! there is no better friend! he will be your protector, comforter, provider, healer. need I say more!
Simply back up your claims with credible evidence (which means outside the bible) and then, we’ll see who’s telling the truth.
read this book http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1563
KRISHNA IS LORD!!
:woohoo:
Enlightenment
The truth is, we are evolving creatures seeking salvation in some external entity, be in god or some other mythical being. True salvation comes from within, through self-discovery. Shut off your mind, if only for a moment, and find peace. There is nothing more to this life than the present moment. Make peace with this moment and find life.
Whether Jesus really existed as a man is irrelevant. The message is simple and clear, do unto others… It’s that simple!
Trev
Trevor: “Whether Jesus really existed as a man is irrelevant. The message is simple and clear, do unto others… It’s that simple!”
You were doing so good until you added that last comment. The problem is it’s not that simple at all and I think you probably already know that.
The fact remains that there exists no credible evidence for Jesus so, yes, it is quite relevant and we do not need religion for basic morals and values at all.
There’s so much more to it but, just watch Zeitgeist part 1 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZgT1SRcrKE[/url]) because there’s simply way too much to it.
Right & wrong
Homer, what is your basis for determining what is right or wrong?
Vindication
A word of caution to Christian and non Christian alike, steer clear of judgment of others as grab bag lumped tags , I.e. “all of those people”, there is far too much presumption here rather than open mindedness . For shame for those who think they know anything that they have(human life expectancy prevents direct knowledge of the past beyond a generation or two). And for shame to any who call themselves believers( con men rely on beliefs of the gullible . Have faith !! No matter who you are!,, but a word of caution , anything worth beleiving is worth having the faith to pursue it’s finer mystery . And the difference between believer and faithful is the faithful never is satisfied with simple answers that serve any’s agenda, and the believer is any who are satisfied by what serves agenda only! And from what I’ve seen here …. Too many believers , atheists , Christian , and etc.etc. the finer mystery of our existance escapes us all when we become satisfied while still living. Peace love and God’s love to you all because if just one was made to be loved then so have we!
So, let me get this straight – you couldn’t comprehend the very easily understood point of this article, so it’s a “bad article?”
Maybe you need to try harder so you can understand better?
So, you know there’s something called “foreshadowing,” but you’ve never heard of it before? And it’s “ridiculous,” even though you yourself just came up with it?
Here is the point: The motif existed FIRST and was not a “divine revelation” that actually happened. The writers of the New Testament simply COPIED these motifs that already existed. There was no need for a “historical” Jesus to come imitate the “foreshadowing.”
Get it now? The only “outrageous claim” here I see is that this article is “bad” and “ridiculous.”
It’s just a bad argument/article
This article doesn’t make any sense. Their saying that the Christianity is a lie because things that are written in the old testament are repeated and/or referenced to in the new testament? Of course they are. The Hebrew writings or old testament or whatever you want to call it are what 1st century Jews had as law. That was their bible. When Jesus preached, he often quoted from this, in the temple, in the streets, in his sermon on the mount. So, saying that the old testament was referenced in the new testament doesn’t prove a thing. It’s certainly a new argument for me, one I haven’t heard before, but it’s also a ridiculous one. Writers and movie producers today do something similar. It’s called foreshadowing. Or even repetition for emphasis. Saying that a movie is a lie or a cut and paste job because the producer added in a flashback is equally ridiculous.
Some people just wanna make their name known I guess, by making as outrageous a cllaim as possible.
Christian claims
What remains to be said, having laboured through all the comments, is the claims that the Bible (or any other religious book) is the word of god! Says who? It was written by ancient people. But, say they, it was inspired by god! Says who? Am I not to look at all the present books and comments by theologians alike to form an understanding of reality? The Bible served its purpose, that is to record how ancient people perceived their world at the time. Acharya S merely contributed to our knowledge of how even more ancient people perceived their world long before Christianity. What is clear to me, and having read Acharya S, Bart Ehrman, William Lane Craig, Michael Licona etc. etc. is that we can only work with evidence we have. Any non-historical approach to this can only result in what I’ve read here, a representation by religious people of what god supposed to have said and meant. Says who?
Darwin’s ‘Origin of Species’ is now verified and accepted by 99% of scientist’s in biology as the only theory for life without recourse to the supernatural. What became before the ‘Big Bang’ or the first molecular life remains unknown and may never be known, at least not during my life. Something out of nothing is what we have! To come up with ‘faith’ as an answer for the unknown is today alarmingly destructive of what we know! Apologists do more harm to their cause by assuming that ordinary people will discard their knowledge, how limited it may be for some, to replace what is fact and reasonble to observe today. Please forgive me for saying this, but what I’ve learned from the christian/ muslim perspective is that their other god, Satin and his fire, is the only obstacle for them to adjust to the present real world they live in. Acharia, why are women so religious?? Of all people it should be women to spawn a New Testament if persistance in finding a god continues. Women please read the bible yourselves. Thanks for your writings Acharya.
re:
[quote name=”Michael W.”]Or this could be a sign that there is one universal God trying to reach his people in forms. I would never be caught saying that one religion is right and the other is wrong (I am Christian). I think God has been trying to reach His people in any way he can, but we keep pushing him back.[/quote].
I believe you, makes a lot of sense.
No “J” in any scriptural language
Old does not mean true. What is current today, will be old in the future. India is the land of demons, and human stench. The worse thing that ever happened to this country is letting these demonic heresies adulterate the teachings of Yehoshua. That Christianity is false can be seen in that they do everything to contradict the teaching of Yehoshua. Yehoshua represents righteousness. If you do not believe in Yehoshua, you are already dead.”You are but dead souls, carrying about lifeless corpses.”
Just because you cannot prove something, does not mean it is not true. To me, Yehoshua is the embodiment of virtue, and thus exists, and has existed, and will continue to exist, when your bones have been eaten by maggots.
The scriptures speak of a battle between powerful forces, then it stands to reason these forces would seek to convolute the truth. Hence, religions like Hinduism, and Buddhism. So what that these are ancient. The forces of darkness are much older. Man will never be able to control his ultimate destiny, because his design is with his creator. The spirit is stronger than matter. Soon men trade their spirits for technology, as it is. Not I. “What they call DARKMATTER is simply another way of showing how little they know.” – Myself.
Baruch Haba Hashem Yehoshua.
You are a very misinformed man about the Bible, which is the spoken Word of GOD.
I thank you for freeing me spiritually to allow me to ask more questions that plague at my spirit. The previous set of questions unravels itself in front of me now. I only hope to never stop asking and to take nothing for granted except my firm belief in the power of love and unified consciousness. YOU ROCK WOMAN! Let The light of wisdom never fall.
Atul C., “It’s funny that statement made as a fact that Krishna is and will be God”
It’s no different than claiming Jesus is god as there is no historical and archaeological evidence that Jesus existed either.
“‘Faith is substance of things hoped for and evidence of things not seen.'”
If there existed any valid evidence faith would never need to be the main requirement.
[b]”I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”
– Historian, Stephen Henry Roberts 1901-71[/b]
I couldn’t agree more.
Thank you. As I’ve stated here, the DSS represent strong evidence that the “Jesus Christ” of the New Testament is a fictional compilation of characters. The best evidence most assuredly points to this figure of “Jesus the Christ” as a mythical character. Only those not educated in the massive amount of mythicist literature over the past several centuries will make claims that this theory is “unfounded.” The bias is obviously with those who believe the gospel tale without evidence because they have been raised Christian. (I too was raised a Christian, but I actually studied the subject, rather than relying on blind belief, faith, euphoria and erroneous claims.)
It isn’t a question of whether or not a Jesus existed. There were plenty of Jesuses in antiquity . However, it is not their story being told in the gospel tale. Again, the gospel tale represents the combination of mythology and midrash, not the biography of a real person.
There is much more to this story, as I’ve highlighted in numerous books and articles. When the mythological and midrashic layers are removed, there remains no historical core to the onion. A compilation of multiple “people” is no one. There’s your clarity.
Jesus is Lord of Lords, Kings of Kings…..
Long before Jesus purportedly walked the earth, the gods Zeus, Osiris, Horus and many others were considered “Lord of lords” and “King of kings.”
Jesus is a johnny-come-lately mythical character.
Scrolls are strong proof that Jesus was a real per
This whole conspiracy theory is exactly that a “theory” with little foundation. My research around the scrolls as well as other historical artifacts misspells much of the foundation around this conspiracy theory idea. I do believe that some of the Christian beliefs and practices are a conspiracy, but that can be easily found in the bible if read in context. However, the idea that Jesus didn’t exist or was a myth is so unfounded and just just does not match up with the full body of evidence. My guess is if you don’t want to believe, you can, in a bias fashion, find anything to hang your hat on, but the full body of evidence is pretty clear about Jesus as far as who he was and what he did.
I pray that everyone has clarity.
Tawheed Islam
The science of the chain and narrating is something which God has made unique to Moslems and made it a ladder to understanding (the text of the hadith). The People of the Book (Christians and Jew) do not have a chain of narration that they use to preserve what is conveyed, and likewise the innovators (from this nation) who are people of misguidance, but rather the chain of narration is for those whom Allah has greatly favored and blessed who are the people of Islam and the sunnah, they use (the chain of narration) to distinguish between what is authentic and correct and between what is weak and invalid. On the other hand, the people of innovation and the disbelievers only have statements which they relate without a chain of narration and they rely upon it in their religion even though they do not know what is true from it and what is false nor what is valid and what is not.”
1-Authenticated (Sahih) Hadith :in Sahih Bukhari Book :
Narrated Abu Huraira: that he heard God’s messenger(prophet Mohammad ) saying, “Allah(God) willed to test three Israelis who were a Leper, a blind man and a bald-headed man. So, he sent them an angel who came to the leper and said………………………..”
Chain :
Ahmed bin Ishaq bin al-Husain ——» ‘Amr bin ‘Asim al-Kalabi ——» Hmam bin Yahya bin Dinar ——» Ishaq bin ‘Abdullah bin Abi Talha ——» ‘Abdur Rahman bin Abi ‘Amra ——» Abu Hurairah
2-weak (Daea’eef)
:in Sahih Bukhari Book :
Narrated Aisha: The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah’s Messenger (Prophet Mohammad) was in the form of good righteous (true) dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship (Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights…… …the Prophet became so sad as we have heard (fi ma balaghana) that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains…”
Chain :
….. ——» Zuhri ——»Aisha
uhri’s narration is graded as Mursal; Mursal means that the chain is “hurried” and incomplete, so we are in doubt of its authenticity. Everything Mursal by az-Zuhri is considered Dhaeef (weak) by the scholars of Hadith. Imam Yahya ibn Saeed al-Qattaan said: “Mursal az-Zuhri is worse than the Mursal of any other!”Ibn Hajar explained in Fath al-Bari that this means that the addition of “fi ma balaghana” was an addition to the narration and it would be referred to as “Balaghaat az-Zuhri” only; Zuhri added it to Aisha’s narration based on what he had heard from other sources. Such an addition is considered Dhaeef (weak) because of the large gap between Zuhri and Aisha..
The narrator says “fi ma balaghana” which translates to “as we have heard”; a better translation is actually “from what has reached us.”he phrase “fi ma balaghani” was used by the Seerah authors to denote a degree of doubt. To denote an even higher degree of doubt, they would use the term “za’ama” (he alleged).Shaykh Ibn Hajar said in Fath al-Bari that because this phrase “fi ma balaghana” was used in the Hadith, that we do not take that part to be authentic. . For example, we can say: “From what has reached us, Iceland is cold.” We ourselves have never been to Iceland but others have told us that it is cold; this may or may not be true, and it depends on the truthfulness of he who narrated it to us.
so The story of the Prophet contemplating throwing himself off a mountain is a legend which is classed as Dhaeef (weak).
3-Qirâ’a
we know from Sahih Hadith that The revelation of the Qur’aan in seven styles (ahruf, sing. harf)
Umar ibn al-Khattaab said, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, I heard this man reciting Soorat-al-Furqaan in a way different to the way you taught it to me.’ The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to him, ‘Recite it,’ and he recited it as I had heard him recite it. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘It was revealed like this.’ Then he said to me, ‘Recite it,’ so I recited it and he said, ‘It was revealed like this.’ This Qur’aan has been revealed in seven different ways, so recite it in the way that is easiest for you.’”
(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2287; Muslim, 818)
Qirâ’a from Madinah: The reading of Madinah known as the reading of Nâfic Ibn Abî Nacîm (more precisely Abû cAbd ar-Rahmân Nâfic Ibn cAbd ar-Rahmân).
Nâfic died in the year 169 H. He reported from Yazîd Ibn al-Qacqâc and cAbd ar-Rahmân Ibn Hurmuz al-‘Araj and Muslim Ibn Jundub al-Hudhalî and Yazîd Ibn Român and Shaybah Ibn Nisâ’. All of them reported from Abû Hurayrah and Ibn cAbbâs and cAbdallâh Ibn ‘Ayyâsh Ibn Abî Rabî’ah al-Makhzûmî and the last three reported from Ubayy Ibn Kacb from the Prophet Mohammad
the Quran is narrated through tawator (as I defined in another post) where EACH narrator is well-known and has his life recorded and analyzed. The narration chain is connected from the reciter to the prophet peace be upon him.
if you want to know about “Qirâ’a”
http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/5142
4- the bible :
According to the NIV and KJV Bible’s theologians, the gospels were written by mysterious and unknown people, in unknown places and unknown dates!
example :The Gospel of Matthew:
“The unknown author, whom we shall continue to call Matthew for the sake of convenience, drew no only up the Gospel according to Mark but upon a large body of material (principally, sayings of Jesus) not found in Mk that corresponds, sometimes exactly, to material found also in the Gospel according to Luke. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1008)”
“As for the place where the gospel was composed, a plausible suggestion is that it was Antioch, the capital of the Roman province of Syria. (The New American Bible, ISBN: 978-0-529-06484-4, Page 1009)”
So we clearly see, both the author or authors and the place of composition of the “Gospel of Matthew” are unknown.
Dead sea scrolls prove Islam
http://www.islamicsearchcenter.com/archive/2010/05/dead-sea-scrolls-prove-islam/
re :Codex Sana’a and the Qur’an
http://callingchristians.com/tag/quranic-yemeni-manuscripts/
Thanks for the drive-by spam proselytizing.
The Dead Sea Scrolls absolutely do not “prove Islam.” Nor does any of the rest of your comment here.
You only prove that you all dont have open minds for inlightenment….
Ah yes, illiterate insults are always very effective in bludgeoning others into your cultic viewpoint.
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thank God there are people who believe in his word! these times are coming and God is raising up Josephs in America and other countries to be a refuge for both believers and those whom God will protect from those perilous times. I used to believe in a pre-trib rapture, but now I know that God will allow his elect to go through these times to witness to unbelievers and also to be Josephs in order to give refuge to all people who wont take the mark. God will give the money to the wise who will obey God and not use the money for their lusts, but instead to bring people to christ! just like God protected the Israelites from the plagues in Egypt, He will protect those living for jesus in the tribulation period. I changed my beliefs after the lord directed me to read and study prophecy in depth. the rapture will happen at Armegeddan or the day of the Lord!
Eric Ruthenberg, everything you posted is a complete divorce from reality. Just try to back up your claims with credible evidence and you’ll see ’em fall apart one by one.
Simply prove with valid evidence that god has ever protected anyone? Why didn’t your god protect the Christians from the other Christians who were killing them during the crusades and Inquisitions? It’s as if your thinking is still in the stone age.
If god truly existed there would be no need for money or the Lotto. It just so happens that your god has zero control over the super-wealthy or even wealthy TV Preachers like Ted Haggard, Jim Baker, Jimmy Swaggart and all the rest. STUPID, stupid people like you voting for Republicans no matter what just because they CLAIM to be Christians is part of what’s wrong with the USA.
A Brief History of the Apocalypse (http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm)
Comparing Abrahamic ‘End Times’ Prophecies (http://www.freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2329)
How many has God killed? (http://www.freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2381)
Have 250 million been killed in the name of Christianity? (http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19748)
Pagan Destruction (http://www.freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2128)
Blah, blah, blah. Hercules loves you and wants to be your savior. If you don’t follow him, the Lord Zeus will cast his thunderbolt from heaven at you. Fortunately, Hades has risen up some Doomsday Preppers to prevent the destruction of the world.
Can you say “brainwashing cult?”
Jesus was just trying to spread a message ….to love everyone as you would yourself. This is the main message for every religion it doesn’t say to treat others as you would want to be treated if they look like you, believe in the same religion as you, if they are good people, …In every religion it’s the same message love everyone especially your enemies and that is the way to God. God is everywhere, everything, he created the heavens and earth but yet people don’t think he might have presented himself/herself to different cultures in different forms …being all knowing would know what they would be comfortable with. We are all the children of God …we should start acting the part be kind to your enemies and follow your heart.
I can’t tell if you’re serious or sarcastic
Tour abuse of caps suggests the latter, but, as I’ve learned, the former cannot be ruled out.
Yes, we must believe, but, as the Bible itself mentions many times, we must use our faculties in finding the real truth to believe in (otherwise, how can you blame people who were *born* into a different religion, if we are demanded to just take things for granted?). Of course, there is the snag you mentioned, that we will have great difficulty there unless we accept the given conclusion a priori… which, as far as reasoning is concerned, is a fallacy.
not just the bible but every religion tells us to be kind to everyone especially those who don’t believe. The main message to every religion is to be kind to everyone and treat others as your self. The last thing God would want us to do is tell others they are wrong and they must believe in the same God as me…That would only bring feelings of hate towards me. Instead I will act as God would and love everyone show by example.
Islam teaches to hate, kill and rape nonbelievers. Christianity has a long history of persecuting nonbelievers, as do the Jews in the Old Testament.
So, no, the Abrahamic religions do not teach us to be kind to everyone.
actually the main message of the Islamic religion is… Not one of you truely believes until you wish for others what you wish for yourself. same message as the Christian religion. the catholic church has killed many innocent people in the name of God. No where in the Islamic religion does it say to punish non believers. I know it says in the bible to be kind to all especially non believers and it looks like your dedicated to doing the opposite.
camron: “No where in the Islamic religion does it say to punish non believers”
Are you sure about that?:
“I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.”
– Quran 8:12
“When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.”
– Quran 9:5
“Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.”
– Quran 9:73
“Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.”
– Quran 9:123
“When you encounter the kafirs on the battlefield, cut off their heads until you have thoroughly defeated them and then take the prisoners and tie them up firmly.”
– Quran 47:4
“Believers, do not make friends with those who are enemies of Mine and yours.”
– Quran 60:1
FALSE.
See also the verses posted above.
Utter nonsense. The Bible is full of hatred and violence against nonbelievers, both Old and New Testaments.
You do not know what you are talking about at all. And we are not Christians or Jews here, so we don’t adhere to the Bible – thank goodness. What we are doing here is SCIENTIFICALLY and FACTUALLY critiquing various religions. We are not here to coddle the sensibilities of those who cannot handle the truth but who have enabled the religious strife and slaughter of hundreds of millions worldwide.
The truth about the VIOLENT Abrahamic cultus must be made known to the world, and foolish and ignorant remarks will not stop the truth from coming out.
Like I said you have your mind set… you obviously are dedicated to seeing the bad in religion instead of seeing the main message to treat everyone as yourself.
In everything, do to others as you would have them do to you; for this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12
Do not do unto others what is injurious to yourself. – Zoroastrianism
What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor
This is the whole Torah; all the rest is commentary
Not one of you truly believes until you wish for others what you wish for yourself – Islam
That would be an inaccurate assessment of my person, and it is clear that you are dedicated to seeing the bad in my work, which you do not even know in the least.
A few platitudes shared by every culture of any worth will not make up for the countless atrocities committed by religious fanatics over the centuries.
It is not moral to focus on the few “feel-good” precepts that are innate to humanity, not a product of a god-inspired religion, and to ignore the horrors that religion has wrought. On the contrary, ignoring the horrors and not even being appalled by them, while criticizing the person bringing them to light, is cowardly, ignorant and unproductive.
In the meanwhile, one can appreciate certain aspects of religion, which I do, while pruning the world’s great religious tree of its pathological roots and branches. If you are not interested in my work, which includes the all-important pruning, then you are on the wrong blog.
camron, this blog isn’t even about Islam. Why don’t you find a blog that’s actually on the topic of Islam to have this discussion. Besides, you’ve already lost this debate:
“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”
– Omar M. Ahmad, founder of Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
“I want to see the U.S become an Islamic nation.”
– Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR Spokesperson
“I am a traitor to America because my religion requires me to be. We pledge to wage jihad for the rest of our lives until either we implant Islam all over the world or meet our Lord as bearers of Islam.”
– Samir Khan
“Greater integration between Islam and the West depends on incorporation of Sharia law into the legal systems of Europe and the U.S.”
– Ground Zero Mosque Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf
Thank for prefacing your comment by declaring it to be “rather dumb,” as you are correct.
What I have stated about Christianity being an amalgam of religions, sects and cults around the Mediterranean is quite factual and true.
“Zeitgeist” is not our source for either this post or the decades of work I engaged long prior to that film. That being said, however, it is NOT inaccurate; it is simply a summary.
I’m quite sure that you have no evidence that Zeitgeist is inaccurate, only trashy Christian apologist videos that slander and smear me and others. In the meantime, I have the evidence that major and many minor claims in ZG1.1 are true.
Interested parties can start here:
The ZEITGEIST Sourcebook
Rebuttal to Chris Forbes Concerning ZEITGEIST
And then there’s this forum thread, in which most if not all of the “evidence” – i.e., trashy Christian apologist videos and websites – you will probably proffer have been refuted.
Zeitgeist Part 1 & the Supportive Evidence
Thank you for agreeing that the gospels were written by four men, not God/Holy Spirit, and contain errors of perception. I concur, obviously.
As a human being on this planet, it is our duty to look after it. Regardless of the religion you belong, you have no right to kill another human being. Also, humans should learn to love, which is inbuilt in every individual, all you have to do is find it.
The problem is that we think we need a God and religion to love, which is the basic mistake we are all committing. If only Man can realize he is on this planet on a Grand Design, which we do not understand and that we have to love everything we can see with our eyes. My simple point is that you do not need a religion or God to be good. You can be good without it. Jesus or Buddha or Krishna never started a religion, but they only propagated a way of good and peaceful life for us on this planet. Please try and understand the creation and then you will understand God.
Go read John 14:6 my friend. Buddha claimed to have found the path to peace. Mohammed claimed to have found the way, Hindu god claims to have found the truth. Jesus said: “I AM the Way, the Truth , the Light. Nobody come to the Father but by Me. ”
A comment towards this article…
This is rather dumb.
Firstly, this satement, “Christianity is an amalgam of the many religions, sects, cults and brotherhood traditions of the Mediterranean and beyond”, is false. I could see from this article, the comments on this article, and the book advertisements around the article (Christ in Egypt, Suns of God, Christ as the Sun, etc.) that the author of this article, the commentators, and the makers of this website don’t understand this. The movie Zeitgeist was inaccurate on the myths it mentions, to say the least.
Secondly, “Take, for example, the Great Isaiah Scroll, a facsimile of which is on display as part of the Milwaukee Public Museum’s Dead Sea Scrolls exhibit. Written around 125 B.C. and the only scroll to emerge virtually intact from the caves at Qumran, its messianic message is quoted in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, John and Luke, the earliest of which wasn’t written until around A.D. 65.” Okay, and your point is what, exactly?
Third, “Moreover, the Sermon on the Mount – supposedly the original monologue straight out of the mouth of the Son of God Himself – can be shown to be a series of Old Testament scriptures strung together, along with, apparently, such texts from Qumran. No “historical” founder was necessary at all to speak these words, as they are a rehash of extant sayings.” Again, what is your point?
Fourth, “Even in this patent literary device the gospels cannot agree, as Luke 6:17-49 depicts the Sermon as having taken place on a plain.” Will you please give that up already! So what, the Gospels that were written by four different authors disagreed on some things! Have ever tried to get an account of a certain event from four different people? Each one would be the same with some differences, just like the Gospels.
Fifth, “These influential texts evidently included some of the original Dead Sea Scrolls, serving not as “prophecy,” “prefiguring” or “presaging” but as blueprints of pre-existing, older concepts cobbled together in the New Testament.” Again, what is your point? We Christians would agree with you on this.
(PS: If you would like the evidence I have that Zeitgeist is false, then email me, I’d be glad to hand it over)
Your theories are immensely flawed
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Just because the Dead Sea scrolls reflect a time before Jesus doesn’t mean it doesn’t reflect the Old Testament.
Just like ALL naysayers, I feel that it takes more faith to NOT believe in God, His promises, and historical facts. Not only does the Bible reflect the historial facts, but other non-Christian writings also reflect the historical facts of Jesus as well.
My opinion of your opinion: pppllllllfffftttt!
Which theories are those? You have not specified. What I have stated here is that the DSS prove the New Testament to be unoriginal, which they do. Hence, the “Jesus Christ” of the NT is not a unique, divine revelation.
In fact, it is clear that he is a fictional composite of characters, real and mythical. There are no non-Christian writings that prove otherwise.
And no one is talking about believing in God here, but you could probably find plenty of responses on atheist websites to what essentially amounts to a fallacy.
Keep Shining The Light of Truth
Don’t stop your fantastic truth-seeking Acharya, the most enlightening and good work resulting on an awareness of real truth you so willingly share, but sadly which many just aren’t ready to hear, much to their own destruction. I don’t try to push the truth on others, I seek it for myself and share it with those who also want it. This is your purpose and those imprisoned through many years of Roman Orthodox torture, murder, book burning etc that carved their beliefs (lies) on mankind. They have made a mockery of mankind, as proven by a lot of these comments. Keep learning and keep teaching!!
Rulers, Greed, Power, War, Death and equal rights
With all of debates over religions and beliefs … can anyone tell me of of a religion with a history of no rulers, greed, power, war and death? Please be honest and do not embellish the truth to justify your beliefs … and please no fingers pointing. I have been trying to find a religion with none of the topics I have mentioned and seem to find all religions have been associated in what one may consider to be evil. Yes, I would believe if a woman was treated as an unequal, or if a human was a slave of any sort or if an innocent person was murdered in the name of any God, that would be evil.
I AM ACTUALLY NEW TO ALL OF THIS. I HAVE READ THE BIBLE AND GOT INTO OTHER RELIGIONS AS WELL. I DONT SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH WHAT THIS WRITER IS POSTING ON HERE. ALL HE IS SIMPLY SAYING IS THAT OF WHAT THE BIBLE IS ALSO SAYING. “SEEK AND YOU SHALL FIND,” “THOSE WHO HAVE EYES, LET THEM SEE”. IF THE BIBLE ITSELF IS TELLING YOU TO SEEK AND FIND OUT THE REAL TRUTH, THEN I FEEL WE ALL SHOULD USE OUR BRAINS. DONT BE A FOLLOWER, DONT JUST SETTLE FOR WHAT YOU READ OR HEAR OR SEE, GO OUT AND SEEK AND FIND OUT THE TRUTH ABOUT EVERYTHING, NOT JUST ONE. THE ONLY THING I SEE THAT IS BEING DISPLAYED IS NEGATIVITY FROM THE CHRISTIAN SIDE OF THINGS AND CALMNESS FROM THE OTHER SIDE. I THOUGHT GOD WAS A GOD OF PEACE LOVE AND KINDNESS, BUT SEEING THESE WRITINGS AND OTHER WRITINGS, AND ALL OF THE WAR THAT RELIGION IS CAUSING IS MAKING ME A NONE BELIEVER OF MAN AND MANS’ WORD, NOT A NONE BELIEVER OF GOD. IN MY OPINON, GOD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MANS’ RELIGION ANYMORE. MAN, AS FAR AS I CAN SEE IS LIKE A DIVORCED BITTER WIFE THAT REFUSES TO LET GO OF HER HUSBANDS NAME BECAUSE SHE NEEDS IT IN ORDER TO BE KNOWN. WORDS OF THEN HAVE WAAAY DIFFERENT MEANINGS THAN THEY DO NOW. THE WAY I SEE IT, HISTORY IS HISTORY AND TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT IS PUTTING A BIG WEDGE BETWEEN HUMANS AND LIFE. RELIGION IS CAUSING A LOT OF THIS AND RELIGION AS I SEE IT TODAY IS ONLY MAN MADE. JESUS COULD BE REAL, HELL, I BELIVE IN HIM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I AM SEEKING THE TRUTH, I WONT ATTACK SOMEONE BECAUSE OF THEIR OPINIONS. THE WRITER HAS THE WAY TO FEEL HOW THE WRITER FEELS. YOU CAN EITHER ACCEPT IT OR DISAGREE AND MOVE ON. BUT TO TALK TRASH AND CURSE AND TRY TO DISCREDIT THE WRITERS THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS OR FACTS THAT HE HAS TOOK TIME OUT TO FIND OUT FOR HIS SELF AND THEN SHARE WITH THE WORLD IS OUTRAGEOUS. TO ME RELIGION IS JUDGMENTAL, AGGRESSIVE, DISHONEST, AND EVERYTHING OPPOSITE OF WHAT CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS AND OTHER RELIGIONS ARE SAYING GOD STANDS FOR. YOU WANT TO CAST STONES AND CALL NAMES AND JUDGE OTHERS FOR HOW THEY FEEL….THEN I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT FACT IS THAT YOU ARE THE TRUE HYPOCRITES, NOT THIS WRITER. THIS IS MY OPINION, IF YOU WANT TO TALK TRASH TO ME, GO AHEAD, I WILL NOT SEE YOUR POST BECAUSE I WILL LOG OFF AFTER THIS. I WAS ONLY DOING SOME RESEARCH AND STUMBLED UPON THIS PAGE.
Intellectual Dishonesty
I see nothing in the “Blessings of the Wise” to suggest it was a precursor to the Sermon on the Mount.
Blessings of the Wise reads like a passage from Proverbs, where the reader is encouraged to adhere to the path of Wisdom, strive to receive her benefits, and live an honest life. The reader is encouraged to seek Wisdom.
Sermon on the Mount is encouragement and comfort for those who are humble, peaceful, seek righteousness, and who are persecuted. The reader is encouraged to consider the rewards in heaven for hardships found on earth.
These 2 works are very different. Your position seems to be that Bing Crosby’s White Christmas was the original version of Elvis Presley’s Blue Christmas because the titles and the lyrics are so similar (NOT!).
If you’re going to promote aetheism as a religion, then do it openly, and stop hiding behind scientific language, pretending to promote unbiased observation and neutral conclusions – when your agenda says otherwise.
If you are speaking to me, perhaps you should check yourself for “intellectual dishonesty,” as it doesn’t seem that you even read this post before you decided to comment on it.
You do not know me or my work in the least. I don’t promote atheism, and even if I did, it would be simply ridiculous and asinine to call atheism a “religion.”
As concerns the “Blessings of the Wise,” I suggest you take up your concerns with the writer of the original article. In your superior intellectual honesty, you didn’t notice that I was quoting someone else, who apparently does see the correspondences.
If you’re going to write like a Christian apologist, perhaps you would be honest enough actually to identify yourself as such, rather than falsely pretending to be a scientific and unbiased critic.
impressive
B) You speak of the pre-existing words that are supppsed to have been used as an original idea in the new testament,and 90% of the respondents have no answer to the text. If you say your answeris the bible tells me so, that is faith, not facts. And God bless you for it. But you can’t deny there are ideas that mIpredate All of the stories of the Bible!
Article Faults
Okay Hi I want to know of you have ever read the dead sea scrolls.Do you know how to correctly and accurately decipher and word another language into English? Do you understand the intricacy of multiple cultures, religions, and legal systems of now back to Mesopotamia and Sumaria? I would probably say no. The simple fact here is that you believe that you are right and those who have disproved your hypothesis as strong believers who are brainwashed by a certain religion. Can you give the definition of faith or shalom give it for you. faith /fāTH/Noun
* Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
* Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof. Now can you fully define others perspective on faith and religion. Bet you don’t know what my perspective is on religion. Now that I’ve cleared out some of your wording in your article by putting in logical and rational statements I will continue with why I think your full of yourself. Having faith for something isn’t a crime. Yes the religions talk about faith like anything they say is undeniable but a lot of religions are based off of moral concepts and cultural influence. America is a place where Islam Christian Blacks Whites Japanese Indians and other cultures actually coincide with each other. Now getting that out of the way ALL RELIGION IS MAN MADE. YOU WRITING AN ARTICLE IS MAN MADE SO UES IT HAS FAULTS because I can 100% guarantee you are not a perfect being. Yes you can have opinions on religion that is up to you but that is all it is. It’s your opinion based on what little you know. Do you know that quantum physics has found components of an atom smaller than a quark? Sid you know that marriage is a word rooted in religion? Also did you know that you aren’t a scholar and haven’t achieved the status a a doctorate in the field of education. If you had you would of found a better way to shed light on the truths from the dead sea scrolls instead of slamming someones faith and religion. Yes Christianity seems to burrow heavily from other cultures. Jesus wasn’t born on Christmas but we celebrate his birth at that time. It’s to create unity and also when Christianity was starting out there were a lot of paganism. The church decided it would be easier to use Paganini holidays to their benefit when converting those who weren’t already Christians. It was to still save a persons soul. So since you want to really try to discredit someones faith let’s take a hit at atheism you don’t believe in the existence of god nor do you believe satanic. Yet you believe you are real correct and you do things to gain something correct even if it’s over stepping smothers rights. That right there is called self worship and selfishness which is true Satanism. You wrote this article to also try to prove yourself to a community of people to gain self worth. Wunfortunately for you we aren’t impressed nor are we your parents in which you probably did try to impress but failed. Every thing you have said actually shows your psychological insecurities and trying to disregard someone elsewhere opinion shows your lack of not only empathy and sympathy but your knowledge no one cares to read something that feels like it is degrading to their person and no one likes someone who doesn’t have an inkling on a subject but tries to act like they do. So please get a life and a girlfriend and maybe a job oh and don’t forget to go get put on medicine because you seriously have a chemical imbalance and a feeling of self worthlessness and I hope the best for you. Thank you and have a lovely day
So, you didn’t even read the article, don’t know me, my work or the subject matter, and all you have is a huge, messy paragraph full of insults and nonsense.
If you had read my article, you would have known that I’ve read the Dead Sea Scrolls many times. One of my buddies is Dr. Robert Eisenman, who is one of the world’s experts on the DSS.
Your opinions on this subject are flawed and irrelevant. I stand by what I’ve written.
Next.
Greek Text are not inspired
Look at Septuagint that add their own words and translation to original hebrew words (one good example is isaiah 42:1.)
Look at Dead Sea Scroll. Nowhere is Yacob mention in that first verse. You never know what other false translation of hebrew words were made in Greek Septuagint that could lead some to a false understanding of one man becoming God.
I’d like to ask if Jesus Christ wasn’t God and was not real then why do evil spirits get cast out in His name? Also why do people all over the world get healed and resurrected in His name? And lastly how is it that people that have near death experiences all have the same type of experience and most met and saw Jesus even though they never even heard of him? If you believe in the occult, magic then obviously there must be a good side too which is real. And wasn’t there plenty of things discovered in the Bible found to be true like the Pharaoh chariots in the red sea? Sodom and gomorrah and carvings in the rocks where the Israelites moved through the desert. Does this all not proof that Jesus Christ is LORD?
Your questions are easy to answer, but I doubt you will like the responses. In the first place, pretty much everything that you’ve suggested was done by the Jewish messiah had been accomplished by other gods and goddesses long before the Jesus myth was ever created.
How do you know it’s not the Egyptian goddess Isis the Healer, therefore, who is really doing such feats? Or the Greek god Dionysus, who was specifically called “Savior?” Lord Shiva, perhaps? Millions of Hindus are quite convinced that their numerous gods are doing the same miracles all over the world – and they have been doing so for thousands of years. Does this fact mean that the Hindu gods are real?
Moreover, most of what you are claiming is miraculous intervention can be explained by physics and statistics. Please provide evidence that people are being resurrected in the name of Jesus. These claims are no more valid than those of antiquity, when millions of people were counting on resurrection in the name of Lord Osiris, the god of resurrection in Egypt. According to your reasoning, Osiris must have been real, reigning for some 3,000 years. Why do you not follow Osiris?
The creators of the Christ myth simply took the attributes of Osiris and numerous other deities and worked them into the fictional story in the New Testament. The rest is up to nature and fervent belief – the same results would probably occur if you prayed in the name of Zeus, who was God the Father of the Greek pantheon. Although nature or doctors may have healed people, they will believe it was Jesus, because they’ve been conditioned to believe in such things since birth.
As I say, the ancients of numerous cultures – and many modern people today, such as Hindus – experienced these same “miracles” countless times, in the name of their many gods and goddesses. Again, does that fact mean that all these numerous deities are real?
Ditto with Muslims today – they fervently believe that Allah is controlling everything, including countless supposed miracles. Do you agree that Allah is real?
Thank you for the response. But actually there is proof.
Below is a quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
“However, regardless of the scholarly disagreements on the reconstruction of portraits of the historical Jesus, almost all modern scholars consider the baptism of Jesus and his crucifixion to be two historically certain facts about him.[21][58] James Dunn states that these “two facts in the life of Jesus command almost universal assent” and “rank so high on the ‘almost impossible to doubt or deny’ scale of historical facts” that they are often the starting points for the study of the historical Jesus “
The Bible consists of 27% prophecy that is supernatural prediction of future events 1,817 in total. Of which Israel becoming a state that came true one of them which if you look at how it happened is nothing short of a miracle in itself.
On the side of evil spirits in people I ask that you would find a deliverance ministry in your area and ask them to show you. They would be more than happy to show you. You will see for yourself that you cannot get rid of them by any other name other than Jesus Christ unless you use methods that other religions use that is exorcism that is basically occultic and not the same thing and does not set the person completely free. Also people that are addicted to something will be completely free of it you can go see it for yourself. Because I’m sure that you will not believe the many videos and testimonies online regarding this subject unless you experience it yourself.
Regarding near death experiences there are thousands of testimonies all over the world of people that saw Jesus, spoke with Jesus or saw hell that is well documented. Most of them not even Christians. A lot of them declared completely dead by the hospitals and such. Remember those people have nothing to gain unlike the TV evangelist that are mostly wolves in sheep’s clothing that the Bible warns us. about. Please see http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research22.html
Also Christianity is totally different to “religions” where in all other beliefs you can only be saved by your works where in the Bible you are not saved by your works but by your faith in Christ and what He has done.
I also want to make it very clear that Christianity and Catholicism is not the same. Christianity never martyrs nor kills. Hence why both don’t use the same manuscripts(Bibles), Textus Receptus for the Christians and Sinaiticus ,Vaticanus for the Catholics. There origins you need to check for yourself.
I think instead of trying to find information on why not to believe in Jesus try to find information why you should. If you are right on your assumptions nothings going to happen to us but if the Bible is right your talking about eternal life or death which is a very long time and I think you owe it to yourself to be 100% sure. The whole world is against Jesus for a reason, it should not be a surprise then that you would find lies easily and the truth hard to find. Look at people around you for instance they use Jesus’s name in vain yet you don’t see any other name used in vain.
No, there is not any proof of a historical Jesus. All of the arguments supposedly demonstrating such a figure have been rebutted many times over the past several centuries.
I do not have time to do a point by point here, as I have already addressed all of the contentions by Christian apologists in my large body of work. If one is interested in the truth about this subject, one is free to study them, but it is a fact hat there is no proof of a “historical Jesus” and that the evidence points to him being as mythical as the Greek son of God, Hercules.
Here’s a good place to start:
Christ Myth Articles
It is important to expose the facts about this issue, not adhere to blind and unfounded beliefs, which produce a very disturbed way of thinking, as one has demonstrated with one’s remarks about “evil spirits” and the rest. One can live free of this fallacious concepts tormenting one’s mind and causing one to spread this torment on strangers’ blogs.
Here’s another book one may wish to look into:
The Gospel According to Acharya S
Cheers.
Well then Acharya it is clear that your not up or willing to go out to find the truth if your not willing to go to a deliverance ministry to see it for yourself then I guess that’s that. Also you ignore the fact about the many prophecies in the Bible where Israel becoming a state. You say “disturbed way of thinking” What is disturbing is the fact that people are ignoring the issue I guess your going to tell me that there are no such things and all the hundreds of thousands of people that was helped with these problems are fake? You find it disturbing because you have this mental image given to you by the media. And I’m not here to spread torment but simply have a discussion. If I may ask what do you believe in because looking at your symbolism on your book your not a atheist?
I answered your question quite thoroughly, but you have ignored everything I’ve said. Please go back and read it again.
To reiterate, people since remote antiquity have had purported miracles in the name of any number of gods – do you agree, then, that these gods and goddesses are all real?
I do not consider myself either a theist or atheist, so you have made an erroneous presumption.
The “disturbed way of thinking” is a form of irrationality that colors one’s perspective and makes them treat others in an antisocial or sociopathic manner.
Cheers.
I have not seen any other religion or book that predicts the future so accurately as the Bible. I’ve also not seen any other religion cast out evil spirits in any other name other than Jesus. And I’ve not seen any other book after being copied so many times by normal people stay so true to it’s original message. Christianity is also the only belief in the world that has a opposing religion dedicated to wiping them out. Millions of Christians where and are being killed and martyred for there very belief in Christ I ask you if so many people gave up there lives for God do you think it might be possible that they knew something you don’t?
Also I apologize for my “erroneous presumption” since your book have a Taoist symbol on it. I am not trying to attack you in any way.
“The “disturbed way of thinking” is a form of irrationality that colors one’s perspective and makes them treat others in an antisocial or sociopathic manner. ” If I came across as antisocial or sociopathic that was not my intention. I’m merely trying to reason with you.
Please I ask you to listen to this man’s testimony. At the end of his life there is no reason for him to lie to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P63r3jfxi4
Also what do you believe in? Because your name Acharya means “guru” what are you a guru off?
Thank you. So long as we are clear that I have nothing to do with “evil spirits.” 👿
The Bible has not predicted anything of significance that proved true and useful to humanity. On the contrary, it is steeped in the verbiage of those engaged in animal husbandry during the Bronze and early Iron Ages. The Bible is clueless of other cultures, such as the Eskimos, who have no sheep and cattle, indicating its very mundane origins among Bronze and Iron Age Near and Middle Eastern nomads and settlers.
In other words, it could not be more obvious that the Bible was written by men in a certain era and location, who were not involved in “divine revelation” and were not omniscient, having no idea that there were so many other cultures in the world at the time. The technology in the Bible has been Bronze and Iron Age, and it has continued to remain so, stuck firmly in the past.
The same can be said about the Bible’s psychology and spirituality: It is the product of warrior and nomadic peoples who engaged in constant battling and jockeying for position. Nothing more, nothing less, and certainly not “God’s Word” by any stretch of the imagination. That claim is simply Jewish propaganda, little different from the claims of numerous other cultures such as the Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Indian and Chinese that their religion, holy texts and rituals are “divine revelation” from one or more gods.
Jewish Propaganda
This cultural propaganda is expressed in “A Real Case Against the Jews” by Jewish writer Marcus Eli Ravage, published in The Century Magazine, v. 115, no. 3, The Century Co., NY, 1928, p. 346ff:
Blueprint, Not Prophecy
The Old Testament scriptures supposedly “prophesying” Jesus were simply used in the creation of the New Testament, specifically in order to create the fictional messiah. See:
Did Jesus Fulfill Prophecy?
The Bible copies are full of mistakes, so copying is no indication of anything except who is pulling the pursestrings of the paid copyists. The reason the Bible has been copied so many times, therefore, is because the mundane powers that be, the king, priests, popes and so on, have wanted it to be copied. The Bible and its monotheism give the state and tyrants centrally localized power over the masses. Hence, these mundane powers have been put an enormous effort into spreading Christianity, copying its texts and translating them into multiple languages. If the same effort had been made in the name of Mithra, we would be having this discussion about the Persian god instead, as you would be convinced MITHRA is truly the Lord of the cosmos working wonders and miracles.
Worthless Testimonies
Testimonies are a dime a dozen. I can bring up testimonies from antiquity about any number of gods and goddesses. Their devotees all believed their visions, visitations or other miraculous events were real, as were the gods that they envisioned, heard, spoke to or otherwise experienced. Thousands of people in antiquity were purportedly healed by the Greek god Asclepius, including supposed resurrections. Their testimonies are many. Does this fact prove that the Greek healing god – like Jesus, called “Savior” – is real?
To this day, millions of Hindus will insist that not only one but all of their gods and goddesses were real – they will testify all day long, every day. Their testimonies are irrelevant, unless you are a Hindu. Do you believe them? If so, you should following Hinduism. If not, why? Are you culturally biased against them and their gods?
As concerns my name, I took it on somewhat as a joke, because no non-Indian woman could be an acharya, according to prevailing wisdom. Indian fanatics over the years have not been pleased, entirely validating my point in adopting it.
I’m very excited to see someone else join this conversation.
I see you come off strongly I will try to answer all your questions but I would first talk to AS first.
You say the Bible didn’t predict anything of significance? How about Israel becoming it’s own country in impossible odds. How about the Bible saying the beast is 666 go look up the Quran.
http://worldview3.50webs.com/predictionstoday.html
You say the Bible is clueless to other cultures but in Acts God goes after the Gentiles specifically which is the rest of the world and in fact told them that they don’t have to be circumcised after receiving the Holy Ghost. We don’t need to follow the Jewish customs.
You say the pope,Jews and whoever else copied the Bible? Well the truth is the Bible has been copied faithfully by people like you and me that has no ties with the government or Jews in fact they where hiding from them because of persecution. Why would the world want to keep copying the Bible if they are at the same time martyring Christians by the millions? I think your problem is is that you can’t see the difference between Christians and Catholics.
Jewish propaganda? Yes there is it but again it is in conjunction with the Catholics, go to Israel and ask them what they think of Jesus. The minority that believes Jesus is the messiah won’t come out and say it openly for fear of persecution.
Well then if you don’t believe in many people telling you they saw or experienced some form of miracle then it is clear that you want to see it for yourself but then you say that there are many other miracles and such by other beliefs so how will you ever know the truth? Honestly not attacking you just a honest question if you where wrong how will you know the truth if “hidden” people are out there to withhold the information how will you get the truth? Just look for yourself which “belief” is still being persecuted still to this very day.
I would like to ask for the 3rd what do you believe in?
Anonymous:
“Where exactly did you see this?”
I’ve seen deliverance with my own eyes and been involved in it from both sides nobody is going to tell me it’s fake. Exorcism is a joke.
Do you really think your KJV is accurate to the original?
I do not think the KJV is accurate to the original but the message is the same but it is also based on the Antioch text that has 5,321 manuscripts that massively agree. Compared to the Alexander texts that the “new” bibles are using that was based off of 40 that doesn’t.
So where is your almighty savior when all this is going on?
A bit of a low blow but let me tell you this, born again Christians don’t tempt God because we know that this is a passing moment what we do care about is others.
What religion exactly is dedicated to wiping out Christians?
Satanists
What about the millions of non-christians killed for not believing, by christians and others?
The people who killed them Christians or Catholics?
“The only problem, Hendrik, is that you are not actually using any logic or reason.”
My apologies if you think so.
“Please tell me you are joking.”
My friend if watching a man talk and tell you what has happened in his life and you might have a small chance of opening your heart to something that might save your eternal life I think that it is worth it.
“You should listen, AS is more well read on this matter than anyone on this planet, and definitely knows the background of your religion and book better than you.
Until you can bring your deity out from his hiding place and we hear him actually speak to us and see him feed the hungry, destroy all evil etc. etc”
I might not be as learned as AS or as intelligent as you guys but I know that Jesus will make a way.
Matthew 11:25-27 “At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.”
Hendrik: “I have not seen any other religion or book that predicts the future so accurately as the Bible.”
Baaahahaha, then, you have never actually checked those claims with ANY skepticism whatsoever as they’ve been debunked repeatedly.
LOL, do a search for ‘Bible Prophecies debunked’
Debunking Christian Circular Arguments and Assumptions
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/DebunkingChristians/Page7.htm
Failed biblical prophecies
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Failed_biblical_prophecies
Debunking bible prophecies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyqnwTqp6h8
Jackson:
I’ve read those websites and they don’t give any evidence. Also what about the statue of Daniel?
http://www.british-israel.us/14.html
I’ve read what the “debunkers” have to say and they don’t say too much of nothing.
They also don’t mention Israel becoming a state in any of your websites given which is a miracle and was prophesied.
I see you find it funny let me ask you what do you believe in?
Israel was not “prophesied.” It was brought into being by people who had been working on it for decades and centuries. Israel was right there in the book, having been read about for thousands of years. It was no mystery that just sprang up out of nowhere.
In the meantime, everything I stated above remains true and factual. The Bible is not the product of an omniscient God of the universe. That’s simply cultural bias and myopia. The Bible was written by people of the Iron Age, reflecting Iron Age customs as well as some Bronze Age cultural leftovers.
Other than “wisdom sayings” the Bible is outdated and inappropriate for almost every other culture on Earth. It has no idea there are other cultures around the globe. It was clearly written by HUMANS with limited knowledge.
That’s all there is to it. It’s not hard to understand.
“Israel was not “prophesied.” It was brought into being by people who had been working on it for decades and centuries. Israel was right there in the book, having been read about for thousands of years. It was no mystery that just sprang up out of nowhere.”
I’m sorry but that is not true. It is clear in the Bible that they would retake there country so it was prophesied. Nobody could have accidentally predicted it. In fact if I was to ask anyone before it happened what the chances where for something like that they would laugh out loud.
http://www.science.co.il/israel-history.php
http://www.bible411.com/nationofmiracles/
They reclaimed it against impossible odds and they kept it God said it was going to happen and it did you can say this and that but it still happened.
The only nation in the world that still speaks the same language and still worships the same God for 2000 years plus.
A 100 to 1 army came against them straight afterwards after all the British left they were alone without any help against nations round about hell bent on wiping them out. And they won in 6 days I mean are you joking wars take years that is a miracle like it or not.
And again you seem to avoid this question but what do you believe in?
I’m sorry, but it most assuredly is true that people who already knew Israel for centuries made sure it was eventually created. It is absurd to argue otherwise. You mean Jews and Christians didn’t read the Bible and didn’t know that there was a country called “Israel” that had been destroyed and that was to be founded again?
Of course they knew, and all they did was work for centuries to bring it back. It’s really not mysterious or magical at all. Is following a blueprint to make a building a “miracle” that has been “predicted” by the architect? No, it is not, and the creation of Israel is a manmade affair, not a divine miracle.
It matters not what I believe in, as belief is irrelevant. What I know is that the Bible is not God’s Word, has no predictive or magical properties, and is an archaic cultural artifact set in the Iron Age. The burden of proof lies with the bibliolater, not the skeptic.
Cheers.
Nice talking to you.
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[quote name=”Hendrik”]I have not seen any other religion or book that predicts the future so accurately as the Bible. [/quote]
You should probably read Cosmos by Carl Sagan then. And please, do provide us some real evidence.
[quote name=”Hendrik”]
I’ve also not seen any other religion cast out evil spirits in any other name other than Jesus. And I’ve not seen any other book after being copied so many times by normal people stay so true to it’s original message.
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Where exactly did you see this? Are you talking about the insanity and fraud of Exorcism?
Do you really think your KJV is accurate to the original? Why exactly do you think that book is called a ‘version’?
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Christianity is also the only belief in the world that has a opposing religion dedicated to wiping them out. Millions of Christians where and are being killed and martyred for there very belief in Christ I ask you if so many people gave up there lives for God do you think it might be possible that they knew something you don’t?
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So where is your almighty savior when all this is going on? What religion exactly is dedicated to wiping out Christians?
What about the millions of non-christians killed for [b]not[/b] believing, by christians and others?
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If I came across as antisocial or sociopathic that was not my intention. I’m merely trying to reason with you.
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The only problem, Hendrik, is that you are not actually using any logic or reason.
This is exactly the sociopathy that is created through blind faith.
[quote name=”Hendrik”]
Please I ask you to listen to this man’s testimony. At the end of his life there is no reason for him to lie to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P63r3jfxi4
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Please tell me you are joking.
[quote name=”Hendrik”]
Also what do you believe in? Because your name Acharya means “guru” what are you a guru off?[/quote]
Actually, it is more like ‘teacher’.
You should listen, AS is more well read on this matter than anyone on this planet, and definitely knows the background of your religion and book better than you.
Until you can bring your deity out from his hiding place and we hear him actually speak to us and see him feed the hungry, destroy all evil etc. etc., all blind faith believers should leave the Dark Ages behind and stop tormenting the free thinkers with their version of what they think their master wants.
Who is the man from the south?
Hello Acharya,
Could you tell me who is the man from the south in dead sea scrolls?
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[quote name=”Hendrik”]God said this, God said that… rubbish – how arrogant of you who actually believe in this deity that you presume to speak on him/it’s behalf.
Everybody is so sick and tired by now of mumbo jumbo bible quotes.
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[quote name=”Hendrik “]
Matthew 11:25-27 "At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes."[/quote]
Hooray, yet another meaningless bible quote to decipher. Even the language is designed to confuse.
You say that it’s a ‘low blow’ from me to question where your almighty bearded god is when atrocities happen.
How truly sad it must be to have to just accept blindly and question nothing.
Hendrik, the simple fact is, your god and religion do nothing for advancing mankind, sustainable development, technology, conservation, the planet or the universe as we know it.
In fact, your bible promotes primitive behaviour such as misogyny and violence.
Your religion tells us not to judge yet judges us.
Your religion hinders us from advancing science, astronomy, medicine etc.
Hendrik
When you start talking about miracles, deliverance and people’s testimonies as the truth then I will quote Richard Dawkins by saying that you, sir, are hallucinating. Sincere, but hallucinating nonetheless.
Gods and other such mythical creatures are creations of the human mind, in the same way that monsters living under the bed are. Nothing more.
That is why they have no real influence in the real world, no matter how much you believe or pray.
Unfortunately though, it is religions that do have influence in the real world, and it is sadly the poor and uneducated that get swept up by the waffle and false hope.
What do I believe in?
I believe in nature, evolution, the energy of the sun, the insignificance of our kind in the vast outer space.
I believe in the scientific principle.
I believe in empathy towards others and kindness towards all creatures.
I believe in dinosaurs.
I am not interested in ‘opening my heart’ to religion just because some book says I will burn in hell for eternity if I don’t.
I will not be ruled by fear of the unknown and I am not afraid of death. We are all just stardust in the end, nothing more significant.
If our planet was obliterated tomorrow, the universe wouldn’t even blink.
And so my hate of the zionist sectarian jews has increased again. May they rot in hell. And they will. 👿
Missing verse in Dead Sea Scroll
there is no current Psalm 145:12 in DSS thus giving an idea how words of God have been twisted.
As for Christianity, in the 4th century extra words like ‘three gods’ were added to the original texts of Matthew 28:19 and 1John 5:7 thus showing how twisted are the minds of men inventing lies.
LOL
I think everyone in this thread has missed a crucial point…..to the intellectual author of the thread I ask a simple question: “Do you believe a God exists?”
To all the Christians trying to defend their faith: God works in mysterious ways….and remember Corinthians 1:27 (I’m the biggest fool. :-))
But more importantly: “Though I have the gift of prophesy and understand all mysteries, without love I have become a resounding cymbal”.
ONLY ONE MIGHTY ONE YAHUAH!
The ONE AND ONLY
MIGHTY ONE! YAHUAH!
Passages that say there is ONLY ONE MIGHTY ONE:
“there is no one like YAHUAH our MIGHTY ONE.” Exodus 8:10
“YAHUAH, He is THE MIGHTY ONE; there is no other besides Him.” Deuteronomy 4:35
“YAHUAH, He is THE MIGHTY ONE in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.” Deuteronomy 4:39
“See now that I, I am He, And there is no Mighty One besides Me” Deuteronomy 32:39
“Hear, O Israel! YAHUAH is our MIGHTY ONE, YAHUAH is one!” Deuteronomy 6:4
“You are great, O MIGHTY ONE for there is none like You, and there is no MIGHTY ONE besides You” 2 Samuel 7:22
“For who is Alahym, besides YAHUAH And who is a rock, besides our Alahym?” 2 Samuel 22:32
“YAHUAH is Alahym; there is no one else.” 1 Kings 8:60
“You are the MIGHTY ONE, You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth.” 2 Kings 19:15
“O YAHUAH there is none like You, nor is there any MIGHTY ONE besides You” 1 Chronicles 17:20
“You alone are YAHUAH.” Nehemiah 9:6
“For who is , but YAHUAH And who is a rock, except our Alahym” Psalm 18:31
“You alone, YAHUAH, are Alahym.” Isaiah 37:20
“Before Me there was no Alahym formed, And there will be none after Me.” Isaiah 43:10
“‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no Alahym besides Me.” Isaiah 44:6
“Is there any Alahym besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.” Isaiah 44:8
“I am YAHUAH and there is no other; Besides Me there is no Alahym ” Isaiah 45:5
“Surely, YAHUAH is with you, and there is none else, No other Alahym ” Isaiah 45:14
“I am YAHUAH, and there is none else.” Isaiah 45:18
“Is it not I, YAHUAH? And there is no other Alahym besides Me, A righteous Alahym and a Savior; There is none except Me.” Isaiah 45:21
“I am Alahym, and there is no other; I am YAHUAH, and there is no one like Me” Isaiah 46:9
“And YAHUAH will be king over all the earth; in that day YAHUAH will be the only one, and His name the only one.” Zechariah 14:9
J-SUS IS HE GOD? Scripture says there is only one!
An instant classic lol Praise Yah!
The Challenge: Simply & honestly answer these questions: WITHOUT taking anything out of context, (full context) Remember that there is no Chapter divisions in the original manuscripts, mistranslating, or imposing a pre-conceived notion. (All chapter and verse numbers are according to Christian bibles.)
To Evangelical Christians, Messianic Jews and Hebrew-Christians to all…:-)
Why does the subject of 2 Sam. 7.14 “commit iniquity,” if, according to Hebrews 1.5, this is Jesus?
Why does the speaker in Psalms 41.4 say, “I have sinned against Thee,” if, according to John 13.18, this is Jesus?
Why does the speaker in Psalms 69.5 mention his “folly” and his “wrongs” if, according to John 15.25, John 2.17, Romans 15.3, and John 19.28, this is Jesus?
Why is the speaker in Psalms 69.31 (who we have already established is Jesus) declaring that praise and thanksgiving will please God better than a sacrifice??????? Of all places for Jesus to bring this up (which would be strange enough in any event), isn’t this the strangest, right when he’s on the cross??????
Why does God, in Jer. 31:29-30, make a point of stressing that “everyone will die for his own iniquity” – immediately before introducing the new covenant, whereby Jesus will die for everyone else’s iniquity? Isn’t that a rather strange way for the “tutor to lead us to Christ?”
When does the new covenant of Jer. 31:31 come into effect? If it was 2,000 years ago, why hasn’t the first 3/4 of verse 34 happened yet?
Why will there be sin sacrifices when the messiah comes, when the New Testament is adamant that there won’t be? (Hebrews 9:28; Heb. 10:10,12,14,18; Ezekiel 3:18,19,21,22,25; Ezek.44: 27, 29; Ezek. 45:17,20,22,23,25)
Why is Torah law going forth from Zion in the messianic age, in the sight of all the nations of the world, instead of Jesus, if the law is a curse and Jesus has fulfilled and replaced it? (Isaiah 2.3, Micah 4.2)
Why are the Jews keeping (DOING) the Torah law in the messianic age, if it is a curse and Jesus has fulfilled and replaced it? (Ezek. 37.24)
Why is no one who is uncircumcised IN THE FLESH allowed to enter the temple in the messianic age, if “neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything,” according to Paul? (Gal.5.6, Ezek. 44.7) Whose opinion should I trust, Paul’s or God’s?
Why does “forever” have an expiration date in Christianity? (Romans 10.4; Ps. 119: 44, 111, 152, 160, 172, 142; Deut. 29.29)
How can Jesus be qualified to be the messiah through Davidic lineage if he did not have a human father? Can the “Holy Spirit” be of the seed of David?
How can Jesus be qualified to be the messiah through Davidic lineage, even through Joseph, if Joseph came through the cursed line of Jeconiah? (Jer. 22:28-30, Matt. 1.11,12)
How can Jesus be qualified to be the messiah through Davidic lineage, even through Mary, if she came from Nathan, the wrong son of David, as well as from the cursed line? (Luke 3:31, 1 Chron. 22:9,10, Luke 3:27) WHY DOES JESUS HAVE NO EARTHLY FATHER? WE ARE TOLD THAT A SPIRIT BEING MADE MARY PREGNANT AND SO “God” is HIS FATHER. HE HAS NO LINEAGE BACK TO SOLOMON OR TO DAVID? AND YOU CAN’T GET IT FROM YOUR MOTHER.
How could both Matthew’s and Luke’s genealogies be correct, and divinely inspired, even if they are of two different people, if they diverge (at Nathan and Solomon) and then come back together (at Shealtiel)? How can two brothers have the same grandchildren???
Why don’t the genealogies in the New Testament agree with each other, or with 1 Chronicles 3, which came first and CANNOT be incorrect?
Why is Paul so anxious for you to not study the genealogies? (1 Tim.1:4, Titus 3:9-11)
Why is Hebrews 8.9 wrong about what God said in Jer. 31.32?
Why is Hebrews 10.5 wrong about what God said in Psalm 40.6?
Why is 2 Corinthians 3 wrong about what God said in Exodus 34.29-35?
Why is John 19.37 wrong about what God said in Zech 12.10?
Why are Romans 9.33 and 2 Pet. 2.8 wrong about what God said in Isaiah 28.16?
Why is Romans 10.6-8 wrong about what God said in Deut. 30.12-14? Why does it leave out Deut. 30.11, and the last half of verses 12, 13, and 14???
Why is Romans 11:26-27 wrong about what God said in Isaiah 59:20-21?
Why is Matt. 12.21 wrong about what God said in Isaiah 42.4? Why does he leave out what it really says – “He will not be disheartened or crushed until he has established justice in the earth”?
Why is Matt. 1.12 wrong about what God said in 1 Chron. 3.19?
Why is Matt. 2.6 wrong about what God said in Micah 5.2?
Why is Luke 4:18-19 wrong about what God said in Isaiah 61:1-2?
In Romans 9:24-26, why does Paul leave out the first part of Hosea 1.10, which tells us that the verses he is quoting (the second half of Hosea 1.10, and Hosea 2.23), refer to the sons of Israel?
Why does Matt. 2.15 leave out the first half of Hosea 11.1, which says that Israel is God’s son?
Where in the Hebrew scriptures is the verse, “And he shall be called a Nazarene,” quoted in Matthew 2.23?
How can it be possible that the holy and inspired men of the New Testament were so ignorant of the Hebrew Scriptures?
Why doesn’t Jesus himself know his own scripture, if he’s God and he wrote it? (Math. 23.35; Zech 1.1,2; 2 Chron 24.20,21)
Why is Jesus wrong in Math. 5.43 about what God said in Lev. 19.18?
Why does Jesus change God’s law (Math. 5.32, Luke 16.18 – declaring every legally divorced woman an adulteress, and every man married to a legally divorced woman an adulterer), if “I did not come to abolish the law,” and “whoever annuls one of the least of these commandments, and so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven?” (Math. 5.17,19)
Why do most Christian translators lie about what God said in Hosea 14.2, and change His words, “take away all iniquity… that we may present our lips as bulls” (demonstrating that prayer substitutes for sacrifice) to “… the fruit of our lips?”
Why do Christians never mention verses like Hosea 14.2 or 1 Kings 8:44-52 or 2 Sam 12:13 or Lev. 5:11-13 or Ps. 32.5 or Isaiah 6.6-7 which demonstrate that one does not need a blood sacrifice to have their sins forgiven, or verses like Proverbs 21.3 or Psalms 40.6 or Hosea 6.6 or Psalms 69:30-31 or 1 Sam. 15.22 which say clearly that God actually PREFERS other methods of atonement to blood sacrifice, MOSTLY HEART REPENTANCE PSALM 51:16-17 Jeremiah 7:22-23 which goes so far as to say that God NEVER EVEN COMMANDED US ABOUT SACRIFICES??? JUST OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS AND HIS VOICE. HE WANTS A RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU BECAUSE HE IS YOUR ONLY SAVIOR AND THERE IS NO MIDDLE MAN JE-SUS! MOST HAVE ALL BELIEVED THIS LIE.
Why Does Leviticus Say in 4:32 That the LAMB HAD TO BE FEMALE AND WITHOUT BLEMISH? 1.LAMB 2.FEMALE 3.WITHOUT BLEMISH. Jesus was MALE, He was CIRCUMCISED, HE WAS BLOODY AND SO HE WAS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING FEMALE, WITHOUT BLEMISH. HE WAS BEATTEN BLOODY AND WAS CIRCUMCISED. HE WAS NOT THE LAMB OF GOD THAT TAKES AWAY THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD. YAHUAH IS OUR ONLY SAVIOR AND MIGHTY ONE THAT FORGIVES SIN WHEN WE REPENT AND OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS AND VOICE. RELATIONSHIP IS WHAT HE WANTS.
BEHOLD ISAIAH 43:10-13 ONLY YAHUAH IS OUR SAVIOR AND ONLY MIGHTY ONE AND REDEEMER VS14.
Why are there numerous stories in the Torah of people who sinned, and were forgiven through prayer and repentance – WITHOUT A SACRIFICE, such as David in 2 Sam 12:13, or the city of Nineveh in Jonah – and not a single story, ever, of someone who sinned and gave a sacrifice in order to be forgiven?
How can Jesus be both the high priest (per Paul in Hebrews), who comes from the tribe of Levi, and the messiah, who comes from the tribe of Judah?
How can Jesus be the Passover lamb for the gentiles, especially the uncircumcised, if outsiders were forbidden to partake of it? (Ex. 12:43,45,48)
Why is the New Testament so concerned about the laws of the paschal (Passover) lamb when it comes to the 2nd half of Ex. 12.46 (see Jn. 19.36), but not at all concerned with these laws when it comes to Ex. 12: 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,44, the first half of 46, or 48?
What good is Jesus as a sin sacrifice to the intentional sinner, since (with one exception, Lev. 6.2,3) the sin sacrifices were only for the unintentional sinner? (Lev. 4: 2,13,22,27; 5:15,18)
How can Zech. 12.10 be referring to Jesus’ crucifixion, as John 19.37 says it is, when Zechariah is clearly describing an end-time apocalyptic war that has not yet taken place?
How can Zechariah be making a “dual” Prophecy when according to the Christians, this passage refers to God being pierced? Is he going to be pierced again when he returns in glory?
Jeremiah 16:19-21 We have all been lied to and the Truth is now going all over the world because YAHUAH wants us to know the truth in these very difficult days we live in.
JESUS CANNOT BE THE SON BECAUSE ISRAEL IS THE FIRST BORN SON EX 4:22, HOSEA 11:1-2. 13:4, ISAIAH 43:10-11, 45:21-23.
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT CHURCHES AND EVANGELISTIC CRUSADES GIVE OUT ONLY THE “NT”? THEY DO NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW THE TRUTH OF THE TANAKH THE 39 BOOKS OF TANAKH. BECAUSE YOU WOULD THEN KNOW THAT YAHUAH IS THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD AND THE ONLY MIGHTY ONE. ISAIAH 43:10-13. ONCE YOU HAVE BEEN BRAIN WASHED BY ALL THE LIES AND STORIES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE UP YOU ARE TOLD TO REJECT THE “OLD” AND LIVE BY THE “NEW”EXCEPT WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT MONEY AND HOW AND WHY YOU NEED TO GIVE THEM 10% OF EVERYTHING YOU MAKE. GIVING AND TITHING ARE GOOD TO DO BUT REMEMBER YOU ARE IN CONTROL OF WHERE THE MONEY GOES. IF I WAS YOU I WOULD FIND A BELIEVER IN YAHUAH THAT PROCLAIMS YAHUAH AND FULLY SUPPORT THAT BELIEVER IN EVERY WAY YOU CAN. OUR SAVIOR IS YAHUAH. THE REAL MESSIAH WILL COME SOON BUT HE IS NOT THE SAVIOR OR YAHUAH OR A MIGHTY ONE. HE WILL HAVE LINEAGE BACK TO DAVID AND WILL RULE AS KING. BUT HE WILL NEVER BE ELOHIM/ALAHYM. SO BE HAPPY THAT YAHUAH IS YOUR SAVIOR, SHEPHERD, MIGHTY ONE AND REDEEMER. PSALM 23, ISAIAH 43:10-13.
Psalm 49:7 No One can ever Redeem his Brother or give God a Ransom for him.
Psalm 146:3 Put Not your trust In Princes, NOR IN THE SON OF MAN, In Whom There Is NO SALVATION.
Abi Yah
The Tanakh is very clear on who the Savior is, and He is Yah, “YAHUAH Alone:”
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear O’ Israel, YAHUAH is Our Elohim, YAHUAH Alone.
Joel.2:32 And it shall come to pass, that WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL ON THE NAME OF YAHUAH WILL BE SAVED: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be Deliverance as YAHUAH hath said, and to the remnant whom YAHUAH shall call.
Isaiah 43:10-11 Before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me. I AM YAHUAH and BESIDES ME THERE IS NO SAVIOR.
Isaiah 44:6 Thus says YAHUAH KING OF ISRAEL AND THE REDEEMER YAHUAH OF HOSTS: I AM the FIRST and I AM the LAST and Besides Me there is no God.
Isaiah 43:3 For I AM YAHUAH your God, the Holy One of Israel, YOUR SAVIOR. I give Egypt as your ransom, Ethiopia and Seba in exchange for you.
Isaiah 45:21 Declare and present your case; let them take counsel together! Who told this long ago? Who declared it of old? Was it not I, YHWH? And there is no other God besides Me, A RIGHTEOUS GOD AND SAVIOR, YAHUAH IS NONE BESIDES ME.
Isaiah 49:26 I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh, and they shall be drunk with their own blood as with wine. Then all flesh shall know that I AM YAHUAH YOUR SAVIOR AND YOUR REDEEMER, the Mighty One of Jacob.
Isaiah 60:16 You shall nurse on the milk of the nations, you shall eat of the abundance of kings; and you shall know that I AM YAHUAH YOUR SAVIOR AND REDEEMER, the Mighty One of Jacob.
Isaiah 12:2 GOD IS MY SALVATION and I will trust and not be afraid; YAH, YAHUAH is MY STRENGTH AND SONG AND SALVATION.
Psalm 118:14 YAH IS MY STRENGTH AND SONG AND SALVATION.
Exodus 15:2 YAHUAH is MY STRENGTH, SONG, AND SALVATION; this is my God and I will abide with Him, my father’s God and I will exalt him.
Hosea 13:4 I AM YAHUAH your God from the land of Egypt; you know no God but Me, and BESIDES ME THERE IS NO SAVIOR.
Isaiah 42:8 I AM YAHUAH that is My Name; I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY TO ANOTHER, Neither My Praise to idols.
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Bible mentor
What is your heart? (what is motivating you?) Every one writes for or against the infinite unseen God whose person is only revealed through the Bible. Each one who is in opposition to the infinite God of Creation has His or her reasons or “motives” to oppose God and the Bible.
Those atheist have their motives, they all hate the very thought of an infinite God ruling over them and telling them what must do. All atheist with all the adroit and clever devised tricks of deceit they will manufacture the greatest of deceits to deceive the unlearned and give reason to eliminate all those who in their hearts can create a hate for God from going to heaven. Thank you very much atheist because I don’t want those who can be deceive by the atheist and can be made to hate God and refuse to obey Him going to heaven with me. Those who can be made to hate God or hate the words of God would also love a lie in heaven and would make heaven a place of horrible competition like living on earth.
The Bible agnostics (hate the Bible) are every where. The agnostic is shrewd and adroit as they manufacture some of the most clever deception to deceive those who in the first place are wanting to hear a lie, so because they love the lie of the deceiver the Bible agnostic, God sends them this great delusion by sending them the words of the Bible agnostic. Thank you Bible agnostic for your deceitful words to cause total deception and eliminating from heaven and for all eternity, those who hate truth and hate the words of our infinite creator God. You have done your job well for your master Satan.
http://www.biblementor.com
Thank you for your mindless insults and biblical bile.
You ask “where is your heart?” and then you end your diatribe essentially by calling us evil. That’s just so loving!
Jesus must be very proud.
If an atheist were to compose such a bucket of bilge, substituting “Christians” for “atheists” and all the rest, would it be an exercise in “love” and “heart?”
Now, when you find your heart, please feel free to come back and be civil to your fellow human beings.
But thanks for the example of how bibliolatry makes people hateful and bigoted. Much obliged.
Wrong bible wrong
:huh: 😯 the bible has been so corrupted that I don’t know what to believe any more
???free thinker???
I could cry a river of tears for any one who would truly not believe!JESUS Is The True Son Of The Only Living GOD.The Hebrew Text I Have Read LOOKS amazingly accurate! and looks to point directly and factualy to JESUS Christ As Eternal Father!(and he will be called) because He is! to teach otherwise could be slander or worse of and towards the Only Living GOD! false statements in contradiction to His Truth leaves two options in question 1 lack of knowledge 2 deception.
Sorry, but appeals to emotions and snide remarks do not prove anything we’ve said here to be false.
The Bible is a manmade artifact, not “divine revelation” from the God of the cosmos. It was written by men of a particular ethnicity, based significantly on the myths of preceding cultures.
It does a great disservice to humanity in general and the ancients in particular to continue with this patent hoax. And trying to badger or insult others into this delusion represents unethical behavior.
Look realistically I don’t disagree with everything said but I must ask myself why you feel it necessary to debase people for there beliefs you are simply spreading more hatred in this world. I also find it amazing that you can accurately assert there was no historical Jesus from the Dead Sea scrolls, of which most have yet to be fully translated and released so either you are the greatest scholar and archaeologist the world has ever seen or you have a time machine (which if so can I borrow it?). In its basest form religion is a system of beliefs formed from a collection of individuals which sadly atheism is on its way to becoming and on that note you are merely representing your own religion in a hateful slur against another which I find absolutely abhorrent, you are antagonistic and obviously have your own agenda to feed and a personal dislike for Christianity evidenced through your own rather hateful comments posted above. You know I have no problem if you choose to not believe in Christianity Judaism Buddhism Taoism or any other religion for that matter but why must you attack other people for their beliefs what gives you the right to judge them are you a god? Are you above other mortal men? no. you call yourself a human being yes? then it’s about time you stood up to be counted instead of spending your time trying to defame others why not spend your time trying to help others what is wrong with people finding peace and contentment in an otherwise volatile existence. In closing I would like to say just because you have an opinion does not mean it should be voiced you are by your own actions simply another hatist to be scorned and it shames me to think that another so called”human being” could be so hateful and derogatory as you.
Regards
A.W.B.Marlow
To whom are you speaking? Reciting facts is not “attacking other people for their beliefs,” “defaming others” or any of the other ad hom strawmen you have raised to distract off the subject.
Practically your entire post is one long string of insults deflecting off the issue at hand, which is that the “Jesus Christ” of the New Testament is a fictional character, demonstrated once more in the Dead Sea scroll, as discussed factually and without all the defamatory rancor you fallaciously depict in your hateful rant disparaging my person in order to defend a false belief system.
You might as well have called me the “spawn of Satan” and moved along, for as much intellectual content as your derogatory comments here represent. Love how you pile on with the other fanatics in here trying to abuse me with invective into their perspective. These fanaticsare not the problem, of course, I am!
Now, do you have anything factual to discuss or simply insults attempting to bludgeon me into your cultic worldview?
The fact will remain that the belief in this myth, presented falsely as “history,” has been very deleterious to humanity in many ways, and your invective and calumny will not work in preventing us from continuing to look closely at Christianity’s atrocious history and blatant falsehoods.
If one has been studying the subject of the DSS for many years, including through the works of one of their translators who helped get them released to the public, Dr. Robert Eisenman, one would not find it “amazing” at all to assert that there is not any mention whatsoever of a historical Jesus of Nazareth therein.
To my knowledge, all of the scrolls were released publicly many years ago – in fact, Eisenman initiated something of a scandal by forcing this development to happen. They are mostly known biblical texts and some original compositions. Nothing of Christianity has been found in them.
I suppose you will come back now with another slew of “hater this and that” insults because I stated such facts so baldly?
Why would I come back with hater this hater when I do not believe the in the bible nor am I a Christian or catholic I just believe you to be somewhat arrogant in your assertions and do not believe you should persecute others for their beliefs is that so wrong? I simply wish to know how you out of the millions of people that have come before you to discuss the same question have found definitive proof there was no Jesus of Nazareth otherwise your books may as well be classed as well written fiction. I would also like to discuss your personal defamation of my character in your above reply basically calling me a religious fanatic when I assure you I am far from being you are simply making assumptions and absurd ones at that. I grant that you obviously through your connections with dr eismann have abetter understanding of the scrolls than I do but even if he is nowhere mentioned that proves absolutely nothing you are again making assumptions on your beliefs which is what I disagree with unless you can provide me with empirical evidence to the fact that there was no Jesus how am I to believe you I apologize for coming off rather strong earlier that was not wholly my intention I am not here to defend Christianity I just find the way you go about it quite harsh why destroy that which gives others peace of mind it is unnecessary. Look I understand that you do deal with a lot of fanatics and persecution and that you are quite obviously more intelligent then they are I also understand that it must be very frustrating at times but that doesn’t give you the right to take so much from them for some people this is their entire lives. Oh and on the note of”attacking others for their beliefs” it has nothing to do with your books or your facts it’s more to do with the attitude you have presented through your comments on this forum. And look I’m not trying to say that you are the problem but you are picking a fight with every religious community in the world and unfortunately will have to suffer the burden of their wrath. I apologise for the lack of punctuation I have to run to work
Regards
A.W.B.Marlow
Obviously, I disagree with your assessment both before and now. I am responding to a slew of hate speech against my person for providing facts. Instead of criticizing those individuals spewing the hate speech, you feel the need both to deny the factual nature of my original post and to criticize me for standing up to religiously fanatical bullies.
If you do not care for my defenses against abuse, you do not need to read them. I suggest, however, that you learn from them in order to protect yourself from religious fanatics insulting and derogating your person when you try to point out the truth.
This field is not for the weak of stomach or mind, as one opens oneself up to all manner of personal attack merely for stating facts.
You do not appreciate my strong stance against bullies insulting me, and I do not care for your initial obnoxious and disrespectful attacks on my person. You did what you accused me of doing, in your case without any provocation whatsoever, as I did not go into your blog and start insulting you. So, I don’t care for how you treat people either, especially strangers on the internet who are defending themselves against religious bullying.
Cheers.
Thank you for your work, and for your logic. I was indoctrinated that Christianity was “the way” from birth, spent years studying and let’s simply state there were holes in all of it. I like truth, and truth is fact- it cannot always be proven without flaw- but the fruit doesn’t fall from the tree. All religions are similar, but none are worth destroying the world with its innocent children for. Insane World/Mad World. Are we so foolish to need religion to be… good?? So far, much has been war of religions. I am grateful for logic study. Bless you.
Thank you for your kind regards. I’m glad you’ve found my work helpful.
I don’t define who or what I am based on who or how others chose to live their existence . It is my observation while on this rock that there is humans who are making it a better place to live and those who are still making it difficult and challenging . If a human chooses to engage in a faith that makes them a better human who am I to debunk them . Furthermore my short time while on this rock just doesn’t interest me enough to go around attacking the faith of those that religion has had a positive influence in their lives more power to them . If I ever run into religious fundamentalist who interfere with the freedom or lives of other humans and a can do something about it so be It however that has not been the case where I live in America . I have studied all religions and thoroughly enjoy the many ethnic, cultural, diverse, colorful, musical and religious historical text including my favorite religious topic FOOD yummy . I prefer a world full of various religious faiths .
Thanks for your informative comments on the historical Jesus. Look forward to reading some of your work.
Christianity is based upon Faith.So you can easily be an unbeliever..based upon many articles the unbelievers put out….However I chose to believe.My life is well content and have experienced many blessings….My eternal life is assured to me in my faith.If I am correct then you will face eternal doom.The bible is clear on this .Just imagine eternity in a lake of fire with no relief.If If am wrong I have lost nothing..faceing eternal oblivion…if I am right you have lost eternity..The dead sea scrolls are so erroneous.Put your eternity on such tripe…not me
the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness….thus far you have chosen the lake of fire for you final and eternal residence…the SON of GOD does not need your permission to exist…the rich man ignored Moses and the prophets and he was not in Abraham’s bosom…turn from your enmity with GOD…i have warned you … your blood is not on my hands…it is on yours…i hope that you accept responsibility and don’t complain when you meet the CREATOR because it isn’t on your terms
Ah, threats of violence and hellfire! That is just sooo effective in convincing people to join your cult. NOT.
But thanks for demonstrating what Christ-insanity does to a person’s mind and social skills.
Lake of Fire? LAKE OF FIRE? Hahahahahahahaha!!! HAHAHAhahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
No religion can save our soul but through our faith to our creator Yahweh.
Yahweh is Ancient Egyptian. It is a god name we find in the cartouches of many of the Semite Kings of Egypt who happen to have the exact same names as Biblical Patriarchs. It is shown as a Double Water Reed Hieroglyph which can be read as YY. The duplication however to an Egyptian indicated that the Moon God Yah, or Iah, or Lah or Ea in Sumerian had many aspects from a Crescent to a Full Moon disc. It was therefore read either as IU (origin of the name Jew) or alphabetically spoken as Yah Weh – the letter W was the Egyptian plural letter like the English ‘S’. One good example is that of the 14th/15th Dynasty King called JACOB. The hieroglyphs in his cartouche are Double Water Reed – YY, Hill Slope – K, Leg – B and these are followed by two determinative hieroglyphs – an Arm glyph for Sacred, and Three Water Ripples glyph meaning Pure, Water or Priest. Therefore we can see that Jacob had the god name YY or if you like, Yah Weh and that he was a Baptist Priest.
This page shows instances of The Sermon of the Mount etc. which were in the Ancient Egyptian Maxims of Ani (Yanni, i.e. John or Khyan-Cain)
http://www.edgarcayce.org/ps2/mysticism_god_godlings.html These would predate the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Everything you write is cultic and Luciferian in nature. You try to debunk Jesus as the Christ but there is no way you can prove that He isn’t the Messiah. Therefore, you are an antichrist (perhaps a very intelligent one) and the spirit of rebellion dwells in you. You’re just trying to make a quick buck from weak minded people who can be easily swayed and shaken from the truth when a person like you throws a wrench in their path. Jesus IS the Begotten son of the Most High God and the Messiah of the world. It’s too bad that many of you are going to have to learn the hard way when He comes back with all His Angels to shake the Heavens and Earth with His great power and majesty. There is one saving grace for you, though. It says in the Word of God that WHOSOEVER shall call on the name of Jesus in that day shall be saved. Hey, maybe some of you will make it after-all. See ya.
Rob “Everything you write is cultic and Luciferian in nature”
LOL, no that’s just your own biases, bigotry and intolerance showing itself for all to see.
Rob “You try to debunk Jesus as the Christ but there is no way you can prove that He isn’t the Messiah”
LOL, no, religion is very important to a lot of people and we feel accuracy and honesty are important. Sadly, there’s very little about religion that has anything to do with accuracy or honesty. Questioning the existence of supernatural religious characters is a good thing – after all, you wouldn’t want to believe in things that are just flat false would you? Well, Jesus is one of many of those mythical characters.
Rob “Therefore, you are an antichrist”
Yawn, the standard “us vs them” tactic that has caused so much grief throughout human history due to religious biases, bigotry and intolerance.
Rob “You’re just trying to make a quick buck”
Actually, it’s religion that is a big business fooling and defrauding the public with falsehoods and making huge amounts of money doing it.
Here’s what New Testament scholar Dr. Bart Ehrman has to say about Jesus (be sure to read the links in the info box):
Bart Ehrman: Gospels not written by eyewitnesses, no Jesus in historical record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyi15_npTj8
Rabbi: Did Jesus actually exist?
http://freethoughtnation.com/rabbi-did-jesus-actually-exist/
Jesus passage in Josephus a forgery, says expert
http://www.examiner.com/article/jesus-passage-josephus-a-forgery-says-expert
Does Josephus prove a historical Jesus?
http://freethoughtnation.com/does-josephus-prove-a-historical-jesus/
Does Suetonius refer to Jesus?
http://freethoughtnation.com/does-suetonius-refer-to-jesus/
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Re your comment: “Bart Ehrman: Gospels not written by eyewitnesses, no Jesus in historical record” – I’d like to suggest that you read more widely and more fully investigate this idea, as it is highy improbable indeed!
Actually, even Bart Ehrman acknowledges that Jesus existed and further that he was crucified! There are virtually no serious historians who would claim that Jesus didn’t exist and the general consensus is that Jesus was executed by the Romans. There is overwhelming written evidence to tell us of Jesus existence and execution. On the other hand there is virtually no evidence to the contrary, which if Jesus didn’t exist or wasn’t crucified, we could expect to find ample historical written sources to testify that he didn’t exist or wasn’t executed. There are none.
Regarding Bart Ehrman, a lapsed Christian, he has now invested his life’s work into his agenda to disprove the Bible, coincidentally realising that he could actually make for more money by his agenda to “disprove the Bible” in his books and lectures, than by preaching it. This is a sad fact of life, but it is true. His agenda is so intent on ‘disproving the Bible’ that he seems to have lost serious objectivity in his approach to the subject.
I’d like to recommend an excellent book to you, entitled: “Jesus and the Eyewitnesses” by Richard Bauckham, a gifted theologian, who explains in this book the most plausible explanation as to how the gospels were actually written. It is an academic book, not light reading but well worth the time and effort for anyone seriously interested in the origins of Jesus and the gospels. I think you would find this book fascinating, as it will answer many, though not all, of the questions that anyone who is seriously looking into this subject would genuinely want to know. It certainly answered mine.
Jesus and the EyeWitnesses – Richard Bauckham
ISBN: 978-0-8028-6390-4
Published by: William B. Eerdmans
Thanks. We are well aware of Ehrman’s erroneous beliefs vis-a-vis a historical Jesus. He is simply in error. There are no eyewitnesses, so unless this theologian is “gifted” in writing fiction, he is likewise in error.
See: The Alleged Evidence for a Historical Jesus of Nazareth
http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=28029
Jesus is a mythical compilation, not a single historical individual.
Actually, you sound like a complete and total idiot, so I’m just going to dismiss every stupid thing you’ve said here, moron.
Re: “…WHOSOEVER shall call on the name of Jesus in that day shall be saved.”
So, It’s that easy is it? I can kill and main along the way, and as long as I accept Jesus, I’ll be saved? So convenient!
Sorry for the typo. That was supposed to say “…kill and maim…”. Who knows? Many here I’m sure would have wondered.
I don’t know how I came to this page. Perhaps I was hoping for some serious academic contribution, but I have to say it is profoundly disappointing, as the article is clearly written by someone who has an ‘axe to grind’ with a heavy bias towards asserting their own agenda. It is as though this author is desperate to grasp every opportunity to attack the Bible and Christian faith and in so doing is using anything that comes to hand, whether or not it has any real or convincing weight to it. This bias is so loud and clear that the author cannot in any sense of the word be investigating the subject objectively at all, other than to throw mud wherever they can find it (even if the mud doesn’t stick because the argument is weak and improbable). Put quite bluntly, the author’s aim is to bury the Bible and Christian faith, by piling any argument they can find on top of it! One might ask why the author is so desperate that they are going to this extreme? Perhaps some personal unpleasant experience or fear of the Bible? Well that aside, I’d politely suggest that the author leave academic investigations of the Bible, to theologians who are serious about the study, unencumbered by a personal vengeance against the Bible or Christian faith. Perhaps the author could better invest their time into the study of flowers or cookery for instance, where they may to contribute towards a subject more in keeping with their abilities?
Thanks, but insulting my scholarship only serves to prove that you have not really studied it. If you were looking for “scholarship” that fallaciously upholds the false beliefs and doctrines of Christianity, you will indeed be disappointed. Here we discuss facts and reality, not falsehoods and fairytales.
Perhaps you would be better off investing your time in insulting others who are not actually more knowledgeable than you in this subject matter.
If anything the dead sea scrolls allow us to see the original Hebrew and how the new testament got the prophecies wrong.
First, I surely hope your health improves… I always read your Facebook posts, and cheer that things will get better for you…
Reading your work has sparked an interest in the historicity of Christianity, and religion in general… Thanks so much….
What is ab-salute truth.. If people had that truth in front of them HOW MANY would change despite seeing it. Can you really change the nature of man. SIN & Corruption..
Will technology save man or have him live is what is ULTRA reality?
I think nature and it’s programming and how all the elements work in such a way to provide fruits, water, air, fire, fuel and knowledge all point to the creator. Are you surprised that creator for the most part left everything for FAITH to believe. Are you surprised they find planets billions of light years away and there is no ways possible to ever get there. Are you surprised that mathematics works and the universe and earth all work by laws as do peoples manners and attitudes. The earth is programmed to rain and replenish it’s self. It’s so exiting people have made millions
studying and writing about it.. books, magazine articles, DVD, Video’s, Lectures, yet
people live a worldly life but expect the creator to say HERE I AM. Or people expect the NONE CREATOR to say I don’t exist. You are proof he does exist. You breath, have a personality, attitude and brain. I wonder if and when the whole world knows he exists and there is no more doubting and falsehoods are revealed how many repent and how many make excuses or become worst knowing the falsehoods they have spread.
Bless you and may you find peace, prosperity, heaven unconditional love. Please give
to the sick and give thanks for the wonderful people that go out in the world and give their hard work to help and care for others.
Dust in the wind
Bible body count:
Satan-10
God-2.5 million
…but God loves you and is perfect in every way. The above stats are proof enough, right?
Wow. This is a complete load of rubbish. This author put so much time into something he’s already biased on. No part of the Bible can be disproven. There’s been so much time between now and when the Bible was written and the events that unfolded that we do have to account for other variables that were not written down. I’m all for freedom of religion. We all have a path we need to take to find God. Hope you find yours!
Hamilton “No part of the Bible can be disproven”
Baaahahahahaha, even highly respected Christian scholars disagree with you:
“The Gospels are neither histories nor biographies, even within the ancient tolerances for those genres.”
Dr. John Dominic Crossan
– Who Was Jesus? 24
* Dr. Crossan is Professor Emeritus of Biblical Studies at DePaul University in Chicago, Illinois and is a major figure in the fields of biblical archaeology, anthropology and New Testament textual and higher criticism. He is especially vocal in the field of Historical Jesus studies and is generally acknowledged to be the premier historical Jesus scholar in the world.
“…the stories of the creation, of the flood, of Abraham, of Jacob, of the descent into and the exodus from Egypt, of the career of Moses and the Jews in the desert, of Joshua and his soldiers, of the judges and their clients, are all apocryphal, and were fabricated at a late period of Jewish history.”
– Did Moses Exist? The Myth of the Israelite Lawgiver, page 9, quote from Dr. Inman
From one of the original forgers of Scriptures we have, Jesus’ Apostles did not write the Gospels. “… It thus appears that the titles of the Gospels are not traceable to the Evangelists themselves.” ~New Advent Encyclopedia aka Catholic Encyclopedia, vol. VI, 655-656. cf. Acts 4:13.
You act like the FACT that the Sermon on the Mount was derived from Old Testament Scriptures in part and in places, that this somehow debunks Christ, or the Sermon, and makes them out to be fake. Christ was EXTREMELY aware and knowledgeable of Old Testament Scriptures and often cited them, quoted them word for word, or used their content and meaning in His teachings. I find it amazing that there were many fulfilled Prophecies made by a real Prophet of G-d, Isaiah, contained in the complete Isaiah Dead Sea Scroll they found that predated Christ by hundreds to thousands of years. None of this can be “explained away” by you, and THIS IS WHY YOU CHOSE TO COMPLETELY IGNORE these FACTS!!! Truth is out now!
Here’s what non-biased scholars say about Jesus:
“The only definite account of his life and teachings is contained in the four Gospels of the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. All other historical records of the time are silent about him. The brief mentions of Jesus in the writings of Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius have been generally regarded as not genuine and as Christian interpolations; in Jewish writings there is no report about Jesus that has historical value. Some scholars have even gone so far as to hold that the entire Jesus story is a myth.”
– The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia
The Truth about Judeo-Christianity
http://www.freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16665#p16665
Rabbi: Did Jesus actually exist?
http://freethoughtnation.com/rabbi-did-jesus-actually-exist/
Bart Ehrman: Gospels not written by eyewitnesses, no Jesus in historical record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyi15_npTj8
“…Christian scholars over the centuries have admitted that … “there are parallels between the Mysteries and Christianity”1 and that “the miracle stories of the Gospels do in fact parallel literary forms found in pagan and Jewish miracle stories,” 2 “…According to Form Criticism the Gospels are more like folklore and myth than historical fact.”3
1. Metzger, HLS, 8.
2. Meier, II, 536.
3. Geisler, CA, 320.
– Who Was Jesus? 259
“Apart from the New Testament writings and later writings dependent upon these, our sources of information about the life and teaching of Jesus are scanty and problematic”
– F.F. Bruce, a founder of the modern evangelical movement, “Who Was Jesus?” 84 by Murdock
“The Gospels are neither histories nor biographies, even within the ancient tolerances for those genres.”
– Dr. John Dominic Crossan, “Who Was Jesus?” 24 by Murdock
Star Worship of the Ancient Israelites
http://astrotheology.net/star-worship-of-the-ancient-israelites/
Zodiacs on the Floor of Synagogues
http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=4148
2,750-year-old solar-aligned temple discovered in Israel
http://freethoughtnation.com/2750-year-old-solar-aligned-temple-discovered-in-israel/
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Jesus Christ, Sun of Righteousness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faILHU82-Cw
Dead sea scrolls, Jesus has been mentioned in the scrolls or may be I got someone else’s translation, it simply said that he wanted us to meditate/pray and open our invisible eye and bring the light of God inside, God is within us. I thought this was exactly how I interpreted my belief in God and not exactly what I understood my religion was telling me . I have been doctrinated into Catholic religion from birth, that is 45years, only in the last 18months I have started to question my belief, Ok one would call this doing research and hoping that God will not send me to Hell for doing so. What my little brain uncovered was shocking to my system, “really this is going to send me to hell I should not be looking at this” my initial thought, but because I am getting older and wise I should not just take the religion to be true because I will go to hell if I don’t accept it. On my first research picture of Pope and Fish god, oh my dear those are exactly the same, 25th of December important pagan day so is Easter, and important for devil worship. Ok at this point this is freaking me out, the catholic online gives the examples and tells me its all good not exactly the same, may be for you I don’t think I am that naïve, so I look deeper into bible, OMG God likes Gold, Onyx, and he even talks about Uranium, this is becoming interesting, why would God need Gold or Onyx? More research need this got me to Sumerian tablets and basically if true the bible is a copy of Sumerian writing, now I have basis, for the bible but not demonic worship, this must have been added later not going to be going there but it all adds up to deep and confusing to put here. I have looked at everything not just one ancient writing and I concluded from all this that the bible is ancient text that has been copies from other source and modified to allow for devil worship to be practice without us knowing and to keep population confused and disorientated, control the wealth and keep us afraid of each other. This is how I see it. I do think the bible is the book of life, but one would need to have the light of God within to understand the truth within the confusion. God is within every one of us God is the light but he is not religion, wake up and see the light, if you don’t see it I don’t think there be a light for you after you die. There is no hell, the hell is when you stop having the light of Creator. Our Creator has given us Jesus who showed us the light, and the spirit of God the invisible eye that we have blocked with darkness. I think people are so confused that they don’t see what Jesus was trying to tell them, we are in darkness we need to see the light! I believe that a man with light came to save us from darkness may be he was called Jesus may be some other name, but I do not believe that he was a God Exodus 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before me”. I am awake and light of my Creator will be within me, no religion of belief will stop my internal instincts I am who I am a light a creation an atom of God’s greatest work. My soul will not be send to darkness because the light is within me, I am the partial of the Creator. I am breaking the chain of darkness.
Is the term “eternal life” found anywhere in the Dead Sea Scrolls?
When will people understand the Bible is a book written by man assembled by man, preached by man. It was not a book until 325 ad. God or Jesus had no say in any of it. You bible thumping people should spend your Sunday’s at the library researching the historicity of religion. Some need spend their Wednesday evenings there as well. You are completely ignorant to what you are defending. Sad to see so many corrupted individuals lead astray by religious propaganda from almost 2,000 years ago. You are blind and cannot see you are sheep in a heard. Keep up the good work. Thanks for the informative info. It’s perplexing to me how Christian’s claim to be about love and peace but attack someone if their views differ from theirs.
Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.