A British nurse who has been working at the same hospital for 31 years has been told recently that she can no longer wear her small cross, because it may be "dangerous." All of a sudden, the cross is an issue--but the Muslims working there are allowed to wear the head scarf or hijab. Gee, maybe those could be dangerous too, because they could strangle someone!
Obviously, I have no great love for Christianity, because I view it as based on a false "history." But it is evident that Islam is being favored here, while Christianity is being marginalized. What else is new in Great Britain?
This sort of behavior is precisely how Islam takes over and destroys other cultures. For example, in Saudi Arabia, outward expressions of any other faith are harshly discouraged, if not strictly forbidden, and people have been murdered for merely possessing Bibles.
I disagree with Christian claims, but I disagree even more vehemently that living, breathing human beings should be persecuted or murdered in the name of God, Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Krishna, Buddha or any other cult figure.
Sources & Further Reading
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|2009-09-22 04:49:24 Acharya S/D.M. MurdockI'm sorry you have read into my work what isn't there. Who is "persecuting" anyone? I certainly am not. Moreover, I said that people shouldn't be persecuted in name of God, Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Krishna, Buddha and other cult figure. Who is persecuting anyone here in the name of any god or cult figure?
First you deflect attention of a terrible stone-age ideology that is truly persecuting and torturing people on a vast scale on a daily basis, by suggesting this heinous ideology should not be criticized. You demean the courageous efforts of many people to free themselves and others from an emotional, psychological and spiritual enslavement by claiming that to criticize this cultish ideology constitutes "continuous harassment."
People who behead, beat, lash, perform limb amputations, stonings and hangings, while enslaving women in the most denigrating fashion - these are the individuals harassing others. To dismiss this criticism while ignoring all of these heinous practices being criticized is highly unenlightened.
Then, after making such remarks essentially deflecting attention off vile practices, and complaining about "persecution," you turn around to point your finger at "Zionists," i.e., Jews and make a harassing comment.
Humanity must stop coddling heinous ideologies that engage in such atrocities, wherever they may be found.
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|2009-09-22 04:50:30 Acharya S/D.M. MurdockPeople who behead, beat, lash, perform limb amputations, stonings and hangings, while enslaving women in the most denigrating fashion - these are the individuals harassing others. To dismiss this criticism while ignoring all of these heinous practices being criticized is highly unenlightened.
Then, after making such remarks essentially deflecting attention off vile practices, and complaining about "persecution," you turn around to point your finger at "Zionists," i.e., Jews and make a harassing comment.
Humanity must stop coddling heinous ideologies that engage in such atrocities, wherever they may be found.
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|2009-09-22 16:50:22 David K. - not a sinister motiveFor DM Murdock,
I agree with almost everything you say about any organized religion, however the reason for not allowing jewelry in some professions is a legitimate one.
See comments that I posted below.
Sometimes in our zeal to prove our points we overreach.
That being stated, I appreciate your work and your stance.
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|2009-09-22 19:52:30 Acharya S/D.M. Murdock"Sometimes in our zeal to prove our points we overreach."
Not at all. I have no doubt that jewelry can cause danger in certain occupations--any sensible individual of a certain age can understand such a thing and need not study the issue.
In this case, however, the woman had been wearing this cross for a long time with no problems. Based on what we have seen elsewhere in Great Britain of late, it would appear evident that she is being singled out for discrimination, while Muslim sensibilities are being coddled.
There can be no real other conclusion in this case.
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Many Christian folk now wear the Christian cross especially since 911. I see the wearing of a cross as a form of Idolatry. which is in reality ithe worship of a Idol. Idol worship should not be tolerated in Christian circles.
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|2009-09-21 21:02:19 Terry - 911 is a phone number911 - read as nine-one-one - is an emergency number in America. If you are referring to the acts of September 11, 2001 please use 9/11 - which is read as nine-eleven.
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|2009-09-21 21:00:04 Terry - All religious symbolic representations....All representations that can be construed as religious has no value where they can be seen by any non-believer. While I don't agree with giving islam a free ride; they shouldn't be allowed to visibly show signs of their religion either; I also think christians should not be allowed to "wear" their signs of faith visibly either.
Religion has no value! Forcing me, an atheist, to see or comment on your religion or religious accoutrement only fosters hatred and animosity between all parties involved. This is not a place where I would feel comfortable in recuperating from illness.
All religion and religious symbols should be abolished from the public sphere, period.
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|2009-09-21 21:18:31 SteveAnonymous,
It seems to me that the disparaging comments against religion in her postings are equal opportunity, as it should be. Islam is not being singled out at all. You seem willing to single out the Zionists, though, don't you?
I'm sure you understand that all religions are quite willing to persecute those of other beliefs. Appeasement to any of these groups is faulty consideration. These are not clashes of cultures. They are battles over a mythical belief system, and secular governments would be wise not to take sides.
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|2009-09-21 21:52:35 Anthony D'Auria - Democracy versus Theocracy a "catch 22"In the USA we would have the ACLU after them to demand that the Muslims also dispense with their religious symbols. This is a good example of the fact that Democracy and Theocracy are dangerous contradictions. Muslims are free to do what they want in a Democracy while in a Theocracy there is no Democracy. The only answer for us is for our Democracy to become less democratic ...which leaves us with a "Catch 22."
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|2009-09-21 22:19:49 Max - re: All religious symbolic representations....Terry wrote:Religion has no value! Forcing me, an atheist, to see or comment on your religion or religious accoutrement only fosters hatred and animosity between all parties involved. This is not a place where I would feel comfortable in recuperating from illness.
All religion and religious symbols should be abolished from the public sphere, period.
This proves "atheism" is just another ism, a sad anti-god religion used to downgrade others whom you disagree with or don't like the look of. Let people be free to wear what they want as a free expression of their beings.
How sad that this sort of crap appears on a sight allegedly dedicated to free thinking!!! Should the site motto be "tolerance not tolerated"?
BTW, I don't "believe" in god or goddess, yet I can see the hand of higher intelligence at work in nature, the irreducible complexity of certain biological systems, the unfolding of energy and life into space via sacred geometry, etc..... Try some real free thought, it's an amazing high!!!
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|2009-09-21 23:13:22 Terry - Are you serious?If by "just another ism" you mean a doctrinal set of beliefs, then you're wrong.
-ism
a suffix appearing in loanwords from Greek, where it was used to form action nouns from verbs (baptism); on this model, used as a productive suffix in the formation of nouns denoting action or practice, state or condition, principles, doctrines, a usage or characteristic, devotion or adherence, etc. (criticism; barbarism; Darwinism; despotism; plagiarism; realism; witticism; intellectualism).
The original Greek words used to form atheist were "a" meaning - no or without and "theos" meaning - godless. So atheist is without god. Not a belief system or -ism as you call it but a complete lack of belief.
And your BTW statement is completely ludicrous. You say you don't believe in god or goddess but then go on to say you can see a hand or higher intelligence at work in nature. How can you justify that statement? What would one call this "higher intelligence"? As we see throughout history this is usually justified as "god".
All we see, all we are and all that has ever been or will ever be was all made from star dust long ago exploding into existence in a singularity called the big bang.
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|2009-09-21 23:14:51 Terry - re: Are you serious?How can you justify that statement? What would one call this "higher intelligence"? As we see throughout history this is usually justified as "god".
All we see, all we are and all that has ever been or will ever be was all made from star dust long ago exploding into existence in a singularity called the big bang.
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|2009-09-21 22:25:36 Max - re: Democracy versus Theocracy a "catch 22Anthony D'Auria wrote:The only answer for us is for our Democracy to become less democratic ...which leaves us with a "Catch 22."
The Catch 22 is that America is a republic, not a mobocracy, er I mean a democracy... Democratic prinicpals are upheld in a common law republic, they are overridden in a democracy where the majority can vote to take your fundamental rights away... the catch is that you've been conned by corporate TV and newspapers and you haven't exerted the effort to understand the hypocracy of it all. Democracy is just another humanist religion used to enslave the brainwashed, a soulless theocracy!
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I am a true polyatheist. I don't believe in any of the gods ever claimed. But all of you are missing the point. Freedom of speech or expression cannot be oppressed. The violence and blatant theft of civil rights by fundamentalist is exactly why we want to expose the fraud. Not to promote our own ideology, but to allow others to have the accurate info they have been deprived of in order to make an intelligent decision. If someone wants to wear an invisible pink unicorn on there ass as a symbol of there devotion to a higher deity, WHO CARES! As long as they don't harm anyone in the process. If they are smart enough they will figure it out eventually, with a little help. We need to educate them while trying to preserve their dignity otherwise they will tune us out. The enemy that pisses all of us off should be the extremists that want to kill and steal in the name of there gods.
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|2009-09-22 00:17:35 Anonymous - re: Are you serious?Terry wrote:So atheist is without god. Not a belief system or -ism as you call it but a complete lack of belief.
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All we see, all we are and all that has ever been or will ever be was all made from star dust long ago exploding into existence in a singularity called the big bang.
Ok, let's get this straight: you believe that you don't believe in something that might have created this vast amazing universe which you believe started from absolutely nothing whatsoever! I think that's what you're saying here.
Great, and you call that thinking? And I'm ludicrous?
Just because I don't personify the obvioulsy-functioning-before-our-very-eyes creative force of the universe shouldn't make me a target for your blindered intolerance or lack of true knowledge.
The point of this thread is tolerance, not your emotive anti-beliefs and religious scientism. I was merely making reference due to my pragmatism in light of a real understanding of the full history of science, not the corporate controlled dimished scientism of today.
The Big Bang is definitely a religious belief system because it is so easily refuted by unfettered cogitation on astrophysical facts such as but certainly not limited to anomalous & quantized redshifts. Even many modern astrophysicists are questioning this, keep up dude!
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|2009-09-22 00:22:45 max... not the corporate scientism of today.
The Big Bang is religious scientism and is easily refuted by a wide range of data easily discerned by study, such as anomalous and quantized redshifts, but of course far deeper than that. This ain't the place to lay that one out. Even many modern astrophysicists are questioning the Big Bang due to the significant scientific problems with it, time to catch up dude!
Let's see, big bang, dinosaurs, comet, evolution, democracy, pay your taxes slaves, there is nothing but stardust and you ain't in charge
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|2009-09-22 00:28:13 chrisgods are no problem, its their bloody fan clubs who make up the rules as they go along who give us grief!!
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|2009-09-22 01:29:09 david K. - not so sinister a motiveThe safety reason given for not allowing jewelry to be worn is a legitimate one.
I was a firefighter for 33 years and I can tell you from experience that wearing jewelry in some professions is dangerous. Back in the seventies we had a few accidents that nearly resulted in disability. One was a good friend of mine. As he was jumping off of the fire truck at the scene of a structure fire his wedding band caught on the hand rail and pulled completely off. It could not be reattached.
There were other accidents involving rings and necklaces and as a result of these accidents jewelry was no longer allowed while on duty for the safety of the individual.
I doubt that the christian in "Grey Britain" was being persecuted.
Acharya S. I really enjoyed reading your book, "The Christ Conspiracy" and your lengthy interview online. You have a very calm and sure voice and I believe you are a good person based on what I have gleaned so far. I'm looking forward to reading more of your work.
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|2012-03-12 18:01:22 Kristen McFarland - AnonymousUnfortunately, I'd like to see proof that Buddhists have murdered in the name of their faith...I find your supposition fatuous and totally ridiculous...the only belief system I ever saw who murdered in the name of their God was Islam and Allah...don't doubt it...they've been doing this for fourteen hundred years and have a history of it,..first of all, if I were you, instead of making a sweeping generalization as you did, when in all cases you'll be proven wrong, use some critical thought for a change..if we have provided harassing comments about Islam, just remember, we have fourteen hundred years of history to prove it and innumerable accounts of it; even today we can prove what men are doing in the name of Islam and Allah...some of it too gruesome to even relate..and I don't see any practitioner of Christianity or Judaism today doing the same thing...if you wish to chicken out and accuse both of those faiths killing in their own name, I urge you strongly to remember why they did...the Crusades was a continuing response to Muslim butchery..so really, you had better know what you're talking about before you say anything....so the only thing those of us who understand Islam is that it is not a religious faith at all, but a death cult falsely cloaked in religious garb, it would seem you need to redefine and rethink your own thought processes before condemning those who are only telling the truth..it isn't hate speech or harassment to tell the facts, the truth...and it makes you look silly and whiningly childish..
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|2012-03-12 20:37:10 TrishaKristen McFarland, from your knee-jerk reaction here, is it fair to assume that you're a Buddhist? If so, you're not being a very peaceful example.
First, you'll need to acknowledge that nobody here said anything specifically about Buddhists killing anyone. So, your rant was not necessary and uncalled for. You're launching an attack for no reason.
Second, Buddhists have actually killed in the name of Buddhism in the past. Just look it up. Granted, it pales in comparison to Islam and Christianity.
Third, I'm not aware of any religion that is completely innocent as far as killing goes.
Fourth, please pay attention before making unnecessary attacks.
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"I disagree with Christian claims, but I disagree even (more?)vehemently that living, breathing human beings should be persecuted or murdered in the name of God, Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Krishna, Buddha or any other cult figure".
Then why persecute them - as in your continuous harassing comments regarding Islam? We must look beyond the clash of cultures to see who is orchestrating this conflict. Could it be the Zionist conspiracy? Comments please......