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  1. It is the old conundrum of are you so tolerant that you will tolerate whom you know to be intolerant?. I have never heard of an atheist who defends the underlying theocratic ideology grounded in Arabist medieval fantasies we know to be Islam. In answer to the question, the American Civil Liberties Union establishes thresholds through which atheists, Muslims, and other minorities (unlike the fellow in this video) enjoy rights under the law through the Constitution and court rulings, until and at such time they behave unlawfully to infringe upon life, limb, and property of others. Rights are extended [i]even to those who openly advocate relinquishing the same rights to others[/i], should the same ever assume authority.

    If American due process is to function adequately, its citizenry should have an understanding of its institutions and their[i] appropriate civic obligations.[/i] The problem is not according houses of worship where and under what circumstances. The issue is an immigration policy which will allow for men and women residency who have no intention of honoring their oaths of citizenship to abide by and uphold our Constitution. It will not do to deprive others their rights of free assembly because oops!, we forgot to investigate whether they had any intention of honoring the rights of [i]other minorities[/i] (atheists included) already here and yet to come.

    Tolerating the rights and liberties of others ought to be a litmus test for anyone coming from abroad for just about any period of time at all, but certainly whether they are capable of being granted citizenship. But I sometimes suspect that lackadaisical “liberalized” immigration policy poses opportunities for power elites. Who really gains (divides and conquers) in the new “wedge issue” of pro and con for a proposed mosque (Islamic center) near Ground Zero Manhattan? .

  2. I haven’t heard atheists defending Islam, but then I don’t watch a lot of youtube. But there is a difference between condemning Islam, Christianity, Judaism and the rest, and going up against the “ground zero mosque” or the kind of rightwing hate and bigotry issues being suddenly raised for political gain and really having little to do with Muslims.

    I see too many otherwise reasonable, decent people jumping on this bandwagon of hatred, and the result of all your work is innocent taxi drivers being stabbed, Quran burnings which ultimately will probably cost lives of US soldiers. All for the greater glory of the GOP. It’s sad to see the lengths the right wing is going to on this issue for political gain.

    1. No, there’s not.
      “But there is a difference between condemning Islam, Christianity, Judaism and the rest, and going up against the “ground zero mosque” or the kind of rightwing hate and bigotry issues being suddenly raised for political gain and really having little to do with Muslims.”

      No, there’s not.

  3. Maybe because some atheists haven’t done their research and are kinda trying out the politically correct gig.
    Anyway I consider the three patriarchal religions as primitive desert cults.

  4. Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and Hinduism all have a percentage of members with extremist views whose agenda is to create Theocracies dominated by their own religion. Like radical Islamists, there are Crusading Christians, Zionists, and Hindutva fascists. The religious extremists of all of these faiths are dangerous. Given the opportunity, Islamic, Christian, Jewish, and Hindu supremacists all have a propensity for oppressing the non-believers.

    The 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by the US government to provide an excuse for the US-led conquest of the oil-rich Middle East and Central Asia. Recently it was announced that huge mineral resources, including rare metals needed for modern technologies, have been discovered in Afghanistan, although Osama bin Laden was never found there.

    The wealthy elitists who rule the West are using their control of the media to demonize Moslems so that their gullible subjects will be comfortable with human rights abuses against Moslems and aggressive, ‘pre-emptive’ wars against Moslem nations.

    Aggressor nations always demonize the nations that they brutalize. Even if you believe in the mythical official version of 911, the fact is that the US and its allies have slaughtered far more innocent people than the legendary ‘Moslem terrorists’ have killed. After a million dead Iraqis, there is still no evidence that Iraq was involved in terrorism.

    A mosque located near Ground Zero does not reduce or threaten my freedom. The Faith Based Initiative, which gives my tax dollars to mostly (99%) Christian organizations, violates the principle of Separation of Church and State. It’s obvious that many Christian Americans (and perhaps some Atheists) really don’t want freedom of religion in the USA.

    1. Are you kidding?
      That’s because you only see what you want to see. I’m a diehard atheist, always have been. In the past few years I’ve seen atheists break off into two camps, the ones like me who fear all religions, and the ones who want me to carry the weight of the insanity of Islam because Muslims are not white Christians so hey, no problem. I know a lot of atheists who rant and rave constantly about Christianity but think that saying one word against Islam is racist and irrelevant. Look at any of the hundreds of atheist blogs—many never mention Islam. I look and read all the time and I know this is true.

      Islam is the fastest growing, most oppressive, sadistic, racist, intolerant “religion” in the world. Read the news—all of it, not just MSM which is ridiculously one-sided. If you’re into brutality against women, then Islam’s for you, baby.

  5. “Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and Hinduism all have a percentage of members with extremist views whose agenda is to create Theocracies dominated by their own religion.”
    That is complete nonsense as Holy War as a concept is Jewish in origin. Only Jews, Christians and Muslims aim to create theocracies in which heretics and non-believers are murdered and those who subscribe to other forms of worship of the Abrahamic God are granted subordinate status.
    “Like radical Islamists, there are Crusading Christians, Zionists, and Hindutva fascists. The religious extremists of all of these faiths are dangerous. Given the opportunity, Islamic, Christian, Jewish, and Hindu supremacists all have a propensity for oppressing the non-believers.”
    What in hell is a Hindu supremacist or a Hindu fundamentalist? Where in any Vedic texts do you see calls for the beheading of infidels or the stoning of homosexuals? Quite the contrary Hindus have always been tolerant and have historically accepted groups who were being persecuted westwards by Christians and Muslims such as the Zoroastrians, Jews, the Knanayas (Judeo-Christians), etc and eastwards by maoists such as the Tibetan Buddhists. When did Hindus ever oppress non-believers? Where in Hinduism is it written? All Hindus are doing is trying to defend their homeland from the Abrahamic invaders who want to convert and/or kill them. They’ve already lost Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh (which were historical Hindu-Buddhist regions), yet Muslims and Christians still haven’t yielded in their joint Crusade and Jihad. Why is it that the houses of worship or study for infidels (Hindus and Buddhists) are not recognized, but only Mosques and Churches are? The fact of the matter is that thousands of temples were looted, demolished and replaced with Mosques and Churches dating from the first arrival of the Islamic invaders to the Sindh to the Goa Inquisition and to modern day Pakistan and Bangladesh even. By the way it was the fascist Mussolini who ceded power to the Vatican and made the pope a head of state with diplomatic immunity in the Lateran Pacts of 1929. Prior to that point the Pope considered himself to be a ‘prisoner of the Vatican’. The Catholic church also aided and abetted the transportation of Nazi war criminals to South America. In fact to this day not a single high ranking Catholic Nazi has been excommunicated with the exception of Goebbels who married a Protestant. The One God, One Empire and One Emperor theme is a common thread that binds all three Abrahamic religions together.

    “The 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by the US government to provide an excuse for the US-led conquest of the oil-rich Middle East and Central Asia. Recently it was announced that huge mineral resources, including rare metals needed for modern technologies, have been discovered in Afghanistan, although Osama bin Laden was never found there.”
    Assuming 9/11 was actually committed by the US Government, America’s supposed Islamic allies in Pakistan and Central Asia have long since betrayed them in favor of establishing better relations with China. The Afghan mineral deposits have been known for decades. The Soviets had discovered them during the late 1970s and early 1980s.
    “The wealthy elitists who rule the West are using their control of the media to demonize Moslems so that their gullible subjects will be comfortable with human rights abuses against Moslems and aggressive, ‘pre-emptive’ wars against Moslem nations.”
    Where have you been? The Western elite has been actively defending and aiding the Muslims since at least the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Do you know who have been demonized on a regular basis by both Christians and Muslims? Heathens, Polytheists, Deists, etc. What the Judeo-Christian establishment really fears is that their base will abandon them in favor of non-exclusivist and tolerant faiths. Anyhow these same Western elitists consistently overlook the human rights abuses against both Kafirs and “People of the Book” in Islamic nations such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Muslims demonize those of other faiths to the extent that a Muslim who even considers joining another faith is murdered, if not by the government then by the gullible Islamic masses. Most of the deaths in US administrated Iraq and Afghanistan have been caused by Muslim infighting. Generally Sunni and Shia clashes, but also ethnic conflicts. The Arab nationalist Saddam was quite comfortable with gassing Kurds. How many US soldiers have been suicide bombers?
    “Aggressor nations always demonize the nations that they brutalize. Even if you believe in the mythical official version of 911, the fact is that the US and its allies have slaughtered far more innocent people than the legendary ‘Moslem terrorists’ have killed. After a million dead Iraqis, there is still no evidence that Iraq was involved in terrorism.”
    The Islamic Arab and Turkish aggressors are too well acquainted with such demonization. Take a look at how most of the territories conquered by the Islamic Arabs , in which the native non-Arab and non-Islamic ethnic identities were subject to cultural genocide. To add to the humiliation the Arabs then expropriated the accomplishments of the peoples they conquered and claimed them as their own. Those million dead Iraqis were killed not by starvation or direct military action but by ethnic and religious clashes in the region.
    “A mosque located near Ground Zero does not reduce or threaten my freedom. The Faith Based Initiative, which gives my tax dollars to mostly (99%) Christian organizations, violates the principle of Separation of Church and State. It’s obvious that many Christian Americans (and perhaps some Atheists) really don’t want freedom of religion in the USA.”
    The Imam behind the Mosque supports the implementation of Sharia law in which atheists such as yourself have no right to exist. The mosque is more of a symbol of conquest than anything else. Agreed on your last point. The founding fathers were aware that secularization was not necessarily going to be accepted by the Christian masses. Thankfully many if not most Christians in the West have come to ignore aspects of Church doctrine, the same cannot be said for Muslims.

  6. Atheists & Islam
    If there is only one thing true to be said, it is this: Atheists and Agnostics and the organizations to which they are affiliated, are in fact every bit as afraid of Islam as are Christians and Jews and the organizations they are affiliated with. That is why Islam can say what they want, against who they want, whenerver they want, without fear of retaliation. It is the Muslims who will threaten the very existance of all Infidels as they see us.

  7. Bingo!
    You hit the nail on the head (I’m also an atheist, BTW). What it boils down to is political correctness. The majority of atheists, or at least the outspoken ones, are politically liberal. In this day and age, unfortunately, most people who are politically liberal seem to kneejerkedly defend irrational and divisive identity politics, whether because they have accepted it uncritically (oh the irony!), or because they feel pressured to pretend they accept identity politics.

    People claiming the defense of Islam and the use of such loaded terms to smear legitimate concerns about Islam as ‘Islamophobia’ are motivated by some sort of civil libertarian concerns are, frankly, full of sh*t, because you never see the same sort of defense of Christianity.

    If the center of Islam were in Oslo and he typical Muslim were a pale blonde you would see nothing but contempt for the religion. But since the majority of Muslims are swarthy Middle easterners or Asians they are seen as noble ‘people of color’ go be pitied and defended.

    This itself is a tad strange. The definition of what exactly constitutes a ‘person of color’ as opposed to ‘white’ seems to be getting broader and broader and the definition of ‘white’ narrower and narrower (precisely the opposite of the claims of ‘whiteness studies’ loons, but that’s another story). When I was growing up, Middle Easterners were thought of as swarthy white people, perhaps just a tad darker on average than southern Europeans, not as ‘people of color’. If you suggested Middle Easterners weren’t white you’d be likely suspected of having some sort of Nordicist mentality. They were (and officially still are) counted as ‘white’ on US government forms. The first time I recall hearing middle easterners referred to as other than white was around the time of the first Gulf War, in of all things a George Carlin standup routine where he said the US likes to “bomb brown people”. Now of course they are regularly referred to as ‘oppressed people of color’. It’s almost as though the more narrowly you define ‘white’ the more authentically progressive you are. I suspect in 10 years Italians and Greeks will be seen as ‘people of color’ by progressives (there is already an affirmative action program for Italians at the City University of New York, which classifies Italians as ‘oppressed people of color’). It’s a very, very sick world.

  8. By definition …
    Anyone who apologizes for, supports, defends, rationalizes, explains, whines about, has angst about offending, etc. Islam, is not an atheist.
    Yeah, I know, there are many people out there who claim to be atheists, but they’re not. They’re just atheist fashion statements. They’re typically of that generation and or mindset that has incessant angst about not being politically correct/multi-cultura/sanctimoniousl enough and or being seen as racist or bigoted. And, as is typical, they can’t see through their own b*llsh*t. They believe Christians and Jews are the perps and the poor little defenseless Muslims are the victims. Of course, they have it exactly backward, but that’s to be expected.

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