Adam and Eve a myth?

Adam and Eve by Albrecht DurerThe NPR article below explains that Christian scholars are being forced to reconsider the account of Adam and Eve in the Bible, largely because of genetic studies. If Adam is mythical, then the Bible is incorrect, not “inerrant.” Moreover, the New Testament traces Jesus’s family lineage to the (fictional) Adam. (Lk 3:38) Based on this factor and many others, as I demonstrate in many books and articles, may we not also conclude, therefore, that Jesus is likewise fictional?

There is a grace-saving “out” for Christians and other religionists who would like to continue enjoying the human cultural artifacts of religion and mythology: It is called the “mythicist position” or “mythicism.” In my book Christ in Egypt (11-12), I defined mythicism as follows – note I specifically mentioned Adam and Eve:

Mythicism represents the perspective that many gods, goddesses and other heroes and legendary figures said to possess extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes are not “real people” but may in fact be mythological characters. Along with this view comes the recognition that many of these figures personify or symbolize natural phenomena, such as the sun, moon, stars, planets, constellations, etc., constituting what is called “astrotheology.” As a major example of the mythicist position, various biblical characters such as Adam and Eve, Satan, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, King David, Solomon and Jesus Christ, among other figures, in reality represent mythological characters along the same lines as the Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian, Greek, Roman and other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths, rather than historical figures.

It appears that the story of the original man and woman – which can be found in many places globally, revolving around a wide variety of ethnicities, not just those of the Middle East – may be one of the oldest myths, dating back tens of thousands of years and possibly originating in Africa, with the Pygmies, for one.

Evangelicals Question The Existence Of Adam And Eve

Let’s go back to the beginning — all the way to Adam and Eve, and to the question: Did they exist, and did all of humanity descend from that single pair?

According to the Bible (Genesis 2:7), this is how humanity began: “The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” God then called the man Adam, and later created Eve from Adam’s rib.

Polls by Gallup and the Pew Research Center find that four out of 10 Americans believe this account. It’s a central tenet for much of conservative Christianity, from evangelicals to confessional churches such as the Christian Reformed Church.

But now some conservative scholars are saying publicly that they can no longer believe the Genesis account. Asked how likely it is that we all descended from Adam and Eve, Dennis Venema, a biologist at Trinity Western University, replies: “That would be against all the genomic evidence that we’ve assembled over the last 20 years, so not likely at all.”

Researching The Human Genome

Venema says there is no way we can be traced back to a single couple. He says with the mapping of the human genome, it’s clear that modern humans emerged from other primates as a large population — long before the Genesis time frame of a few thousand years ago. And given the genetic variation of people today, he says scientists can’t get that population size below 10,000 people at any time in our evolutionary history.

To get down to just two ancestors, Venema says, “You would have to postulate that there’s been this absolutely astronomical mutation rate that has produced all these new variants in an incredibly short period of time. Those types of mutation rates are just not possible. It would mutate us out of existence.”

Venema is a senior fellow at BioLogos Foundation, a Christian group that tries to reconcile faith and science. The group was founded by Francis Collins, an evangelical and the current head of the National Institutes of Health, who, because of his position, declined an interview….

“I think this is going to be a pivotal point in Church history,” he says. “Because what rests at the very heart of this debate is whether or not key ideas within Christianity are ultimately true or not.”

But others say Christians can no longer afford to ignore the evidence from the human genome and fossils just to maintain a literal view of Genesis.

“This stuff is unavoidable,” says Dan Harlow at Calvin College. “Evangelicals have to either face up to it or they have to stick their head in the sand. And if they do that, they will lose whatever intellectual currency or respectability they have.”…

Further Reading

Real or Myth?
The Mythicist Challenge Petition
What is Mythicism?
What is Astrotheology?
Garden of Eden a Pygmy Myth?
Genesis Creation; Adam and Eve Origins

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  1. [quote]”This stuff is unavoidable,” says Dan Harlow at Calvin College. “Evangelicals have to either face up to it or they have to stick their head in the sand. And if they do that, they will lose whatever intellectual currency or respectability they have.”…[/quote]
    So true!!! The evangelicals and all Christians need to apply the same critical thinking towards Jesus and all the other biblical characters you mention too. Your mythicist position really puts the whole thing regarding religion in perspective.

    Thanks for posting this blog, Acharya S. Your work has been a huge help for me where others fail in this area, even atheists and skeptics who still rigidly believe in a historical Jesus despite the evidence not because of it.

    Your book, Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ ([url]http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/whowasjesus1.html[/url]) provides quite a few quotes from New Testament scholars, most of which are professed Christians, pointing out the fact that there is no credible evidence for a historical Jesus. Of course, many of them still claim to have faith but despite the evidence not because of it. If there existed any valid evidence faith would not be so necessary.
    [quote]”One would naturally expect that the Lord Jesus Christ would be sufficiently important to receive ample notice in the literature of his time, and that extensive biographical material would be available. He was observed by multitudes of people, and his own followers numbered into the hundreds (1 Cor. 15:6), whose witness was still living in the middle of the first century. As a matter of fact, the amount of information concerning him is comparatively meager. Aside from the four Gospels, and a few scattered allusions in the epistles, contemporary history is almost silent concerning him.”

    - Merrill C. Tenney, “New Testament Survey,” p. 203.
    - “Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ” (WWJ) 85-86

    * Dr. Tenney is a conservative evangelical Christian who was a professor of Theological Studies and the dean of the school of Theology at Wheaton College. Tenney was also one of the original translators of the NASB and NIV editions of the Bible.[/quote]
    [quote]”…there are very few sources for knowledge of the historical Jesus beyond the four canonical Gospels. Paul and Josephus offer little more than tidbits. Claims that later apocryphal Gospels and the Nag Hammadi material supply independent and reliable historical information about Jesus are largely fantasy. In the end, the historian is left with the difficult task of sifting through the Four Gospels for historical tradition.”

    - John P. Meier
    - Who Was Jesus?, (WWJ) page 86

    * Dr. Meier is a Catholic University New Testament professor, Catholic priest and monsignor[/quote]
    [quote]”Apart from the New Testament writings and later writings dependent upon these, our sources of information about the life and teaching of Jesus are scanty and problematic”

    - F.F. Bruce, a founder of the modern evangelical movement
    - “Who Was Jesus?, page 84[/quote]
    [quote]”The Gospels are neither histories nor biographies, even within the ancient tolerances for those genres.”

    - Dr. John Dominic Crossan
    - Who Was Jesus?, page 24

    * Dr. Crossan is a major figure in the fields of biblical archaeology, anthropology and New Testament textual and higher criticism. He is especially vocal in the field of Historical Jesus studies[/quote]
    [quote]”The only definite account of his life and teachings is contained in the four Gospels of the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. All other historical records of the time are silent about him. The brief mentions of Jesus in the writings of Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius have been generally regarded as not genuine and as Christian interpolations; in Jewish writings there is no report about Jesus that has historical value. Some scholars have even gone so far as to hold that the entire Jesus story is a myth”

    - The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (v.6,83)
    - “Who Was Jesus?, page 84[/quote]
    I borrowed these quotes from the forum so I could copy/paste but, I own the book.
    http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=11975#p11975

    The First Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Corinthians:

    1 Corinthians 15:12 (KJV) “12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. ”
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2015&version=KJV

    One by one each of those biblical characters are being shown to be myths:
    [quote]”I find it undeniable that many of the epic heroes and ancient patriarchs and matriarchs of the Old Testament were personified stars, planets, and constellations.”

    “I find myself in full agreement with Acharya S/D.M. Murdock”

    - Dr. Robert Price, Biblical Scholar ([url]http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/reviews/murdock_christ_egypt.htm[/url])[/quote]

  2. Jesus is the truth! The truth will set you free. Learn about astral projection and be born again in water and in spirit. Dont comment about what you think it means, try and find out for yourself. Hold unto what is true. binaual beats :evil:

  3. Excellent post. Great point that about it being impossible for there ever to have been less than 10 000 people in all of human evolutionary history.

    Another point that many have long since noticed is that if one were to start a breeding population with only one man and one woman, then incest would occur by no later than the second generation (because the only available people Adam and Eve’s kids could get together with would have been their own siblings and parents). This would lead to genetic defects, that would lead to dangerous health problems. An example of such incest related health problems can be seen in many of the medieval royal families in Europe, where inbreeding led to such things as haemophilia and other dangerous conditions.

    Any god that would try to populate the world by starting out with just two people, and not realise all the problems that would cause (incest, humanity mutating out of existence, etc.), would be an incredibly ignorant god. :lol:

    1. I facepalm every time when creationists say that the christian god didn’t mind incest because the genes were still pure and not corrupted due to sin.

  4. justanothertequilasunrise
    1st and foremost i would imagine from my own life experience thinking on my grandmother for instance that people back then were more honorable, men of integrity. so when they say: this is not my words but gods passed down to me i tend to believe them.
    unlike today where whoever has the most money (or donates to my particular best interest) gets to tell the biggest lie. one only has to look back at writings such as the communist manifesto 1959 to see the agenda of science, and the tearing down of beleifs. it is all by design.
    one minute it is a scientific fact, and the next well we were wrong but this is the new scientific fact.
    look around you at your advanced technical society crumbling all around you as you walk over starving children, while support bombing them elsewhere. this is just another campaign of deceipt to break down the truth of christ. we and i beleive i speak for the intelligent group are not listening anymore, carbon dating is faulty, one day milk is good for us the next day its not. most of you can’t even remember what you had for breakfast yesterday and your trying to convince me you know what happened 2000 years ago. LOL ur funny
    you think you have this dna thing all figured out, what about the story in the bible where the fallen angels saw that the women of men were beautiful and they bore children with them, or did u leave that out of your research to better promote your agenda.
    you will argue there is no other historical accounts of him, well when the satanist run around collecting it all up in the name of national security and such how are we suppose to have an account. I remember when i was a child watching t.v. and scholars wanting to enter tombs and such, but nooooo they were not allowed, only those in a position of (force) authority were alllowed, we will never know the truth because it was stolen and hidden from us. I mean really like the vatican isnt chuck full with things we will never see.
    and everything especially when it includes accounting for the taxpayers dollars in classified.
    it is simple: god is in nature, he is all around us. that is why you continue to destroy nature,( go take a trip down to the gulf coast, or visit some kids in fukushima). in the name of advancement. you are of the family who beleives you can become like Gods, good luck with that, as for me, i will be busy praying for you
    because in the new world, we will have no science or puffy little egos

  5. addition
    i forgot to mention, look at the first paragraph in the article.
    christian scholars are being [b]forced[/b]

    defense rests

    1. They’re not being forced, but finally noticing the obvious fallacies.
      It’s just an ancient game of telephone that has gone horribly out of control.

    2. Unlike the coercion of Christianity, which [b]FORCES [/b]people to believe or rot in hell, these scholars are being “forced” or compelled by the [b]EVIDENCE [/b]and their own [b]CONSCIENCE[/b]. :-x

      Prosecution rests.

  6. Why is it part of the premis that Christians are literal minded? No, christians do NOT take such stories of Adam and Eve at face value. Real christians DO recognize the allegorical context of these stories. They represent humanties relationship with God and with each other. They provide morals and guidance through fables, parables, metaphores, allegory, and yes, even some historical examples. There’s basic rules for living: hygien, food control, agriculture, dress, social order, etc. For a scientist to argue against religion based on his own literalminded interpretation of it is a strawman arguement, and does more to undermine his own intellectual credibility than that of Christians. BTW, the biblical creation narrative was written by HEBREWS, and they likely got it from Sumerians and Babylonians. Christians have their own covanant and testament.

  7. The Hebrew word yohm can mean other than a literal 24 hour day even as it can in English, e.g. in Napoleon’s day, in the day of the dinosaurs. So the meaning for day/yohm can also refer to an eon or extensive time period of possibly millions or billions of years. Further, Genesis speaking of “Adam and Eve” may mean a man and woman from whom every human ever to exist on planet Earth sprang but equally true it may mean a man and woman from whom the homo sapiens branch sprang in the earth or land of the Middle East. The actual Hebrew word “erets” is literally earth or land; the extent of the land possibly be small, quite large, all-encompassing (i.e. planet-wide). Also of interest for readers: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5150668/Human-ancestors-less-ape-like-than-thought.html

    1. It’s still Abrahamic based mythology that has more contradictions than Swiss cheese.
      Just because New York City exists, doesn’t mean that Spider-Man is real.

  8. American street preacher, ex-satanist, former US M
    Hey America and true freedom loving people around the world??? How is it going these days?? Well, by going what is written in the original manuscripts, I can tell this guy sure doesnt have the gall to really stand up what he can believe in is the truth!! He niether has the guts to really stand up and be counted against the enemy, who is Satan, and cower down like a dog, and lick the toes of his masters to the world’s rulers, like Karl Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao Si Tung, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Min, Pinochet of South America, Fidel Castro, Adolf Hitler, Alister Crowley, Madame Blavotsky, Albert Pike, Alexander Hamilton, the Rothchilds, Caligulia of Rome. All it takes is a bunch of cowards, who wont stand for truth and justice in this world. As far to consider, Satan can have this coward, who wont stand for truth and true equity for humanity! To me, he is simply a coward, deserved to be thrown to the tormenters!
    Email this street preacher, ex-satanist,
    David Maxie
    Captain_Nemo05@yahoo.com

  9. And one day, long after you are gone,
    And one day, long after you are gone, you too might be thought of as a myth.

  10. Genesis is obviously not true. There are too many inconsistencies and problems with the story. If there was no Adam and Eve, that means that there is no original sin. This means there was no reason for Jesus and nothing to be saved from.

    1. illiteracy
      :Pinch: All of these intelligent opinions are based on such biblical illiteracy that all I can say is kudo’s to you Satan. These poor soul’s pontificate on such infantile statements as that we are all decendants of just Adam and Eve ! Folk’s if you can’t get the first chapter of Genesis right, you’ll be clueless by the end of the second chapter ! Read the preface letter written to the readers of the King james 1611 Bible from the traslators themselves. If you haven’t did that , your already behind the curve from jumpstreet. When considering the translation of ancient Hebrew or Greek to the english language if you take literally what should be taken as figuratively and vice versa, your carnal brainiac intelligence will have you really in a duped fog unable to discern real truth as it literally slaps you in the face.
      I find this so amazing that Satan’s chief weopon is deciet and how well it works on the carnal intelligencia displayed on forums such as this and elsewhere. Twenty years ago I strained to understand how it was possible to have a one world government. Now I have no doubts we will. Say what you will oh wise ones but the fake christ is busting a gut laughing at your expense as you’ll fall all over yourselves for his approval when he arrives. Your shame will be paramount when the real master returns and find you whoring with this worldly imposter. Study to show yourselves approved ? I wonder who of you are even capable of that as it is late in the game. May the Father in heaven open the eyes and ears of those who are on this forum Amen.

      1. Frightening response
        Using fire and brimstone accompanied by ad hominem attacks is not the best way to present an argument, but it does give me insight into the tactics and thinking of a person who does.

        I am always surprised by the lack of sincerity that some people show towards GOD by their abdication of critical thought when discussing the bible and their willingness to believe that a simple handbook was all that GOD wanted for all of us to follow.

        Interestingly enough, this newest book (new testament) was based on an earlier book (old testament) that was clearly based on the Egyptian the book of the Dead. Did GOD plagiarize that work or should I believe that it was an even earlier book in the series?

        Perhaps these books are a trilogy or maybe they were just written by man. In the new and old testament it is clear the GOD puts man above all else and he created man in “HIS” (Apparently GOD is a MAN) own image. The GOD of the Universe is very GEO-CENTRIC in these books and it’s somewhat ironic that the people of the earlier book (old testament) are Matriarchal.

        The old testament (the second in the series) was apparently left to a group of slaves who escaped an Egyptian Pharaoh and wandered in the desert for 40 years. Unfortunately this group forgot to leave any archaeological traces of that particular 40 year event.

        How do I reconcile all of this without questioning the veracity of this handbook concept altogether?

        If your answer is to “Have Faith” then there is no more discussion required.

  11. Forced and thinking in a box
    Every time secular-humanist scientists try to force Christians to see their “science”, it is like a new version of Greek or Roman pagans trying to force ancient Hebrews to sacrifice animals to their pagan gods and eat the meat of the sacrifice. Their faith somehow is superior to any other faiths. A science where the scientists have been caught throwing out any data that does not meet their preconceived theory, a science tainted by eugenics, built on circular reasoning and biased peer review.

    The Bible clearly states that genetics were stronger in the original generation – Adam and Eve. People lived longer, much longer, in the centuries instead of decades. They had far less pollution and solar damage to their genes. Adam and Eve had over 50 children by themselves, and each of the second and third generation were just as fecund. This was winnowed down due to Noah’s Flood to three branches, which again spread out and had genetic adaptation to their different environments until the genes lost the ability to adapt, and became “locked” in the manner we see now with the tribes and races. Issac, Abraham’s son in the Old Testament, was the first recorded man to go blind in his old age, and lived decades after he was afflicted by old age, something new to the majority of the people living at that time. Abraham’s wife Sarah was over 50 years old yet considered beautiful enough for Pharaoh to attempt to take her for his harem, something considered ridiculous today. Genetics from the first generation was an exponential wave downwards to a stable level, not a geometric rise of evolutionary progress over millions of years.

    Scientists look at the fossilized bones of individuals and dream up entire populations from them. Our genetic strength has faded to the point where degenerate qualities build up within immediate families, forcing “laws” to prevent people from marrying and having children by siblings and even first cousins to prevent disaster. And eugenic mindsets corrupt any uninhibited view of current populations and genetic diversity. If it is possible that all domestic dog species today came from one type of wolf in Europe, then why is the same not possible for humans to come from one couple in the ancient past?

    These are scientists trying to push an agenda. They are not using true empirical science, they are using evolutionary secular humanism and withholding any evidence to the contrary and ignoring any facts that disrupt their mindset. Ignore them, and do the research, including reading the Bible with an open mind, for yourself.

  12. luciferians
    you luciferians and satanist will soon be finished, you have perverted this world with your religions of evolution which has already been proven a lie by intellitent people with dna and fossil records. Also your religion of atheism , newageism , paganism, and liberalism have done nothing but separate the tares from among the wheat, and soon you tares willl be removed by the master. Most have become so brainwashed that they are idiots that will believe anything, what else can you expect from people who believe they are descendants of animals.

      1. Origin of Hell
        Hell is actually a Roman invention and is mentioned by Polybius (c. 200–118 BC) in his History of the Romans, bk VI, section 56. The Roman Christians just adapted it into their system.

    1. What a maroon! Billiam got it wrong, he meant to write:

      “you Christians and the like will soon be finished, you have perverted this world with your religions of evil which has already been proven a lie by intelligent people with dna and fossil records. Also your religion of ignorance, naivete, stolen paganism, and imperialism have done nothing but separate the tares from among the wheat, and soon you tares will be removed by your own suicidal masters. Most have become so brainwashed that they are idiots that will believe anything, what else can you expect from people who believe they aren’t animals.”

      :lol:

  13. for a good read about J.C.
    Try The Urantia Book, the last 1000 pages are devoted to the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. Best account of his fictional life I’ve ever read!

  14. They miss the point
    Those who think Adam and Eve is a diary entry miss the point that it’s an allegory to warn against overpopulation. That humans keep pumping out the babies way beyond earth’s capacity to adequately care for us all means few others understand common sense either.

  15. If you read the Original Babylonian records, of the Genesis/Torah, whicdh the jews use, A & E are actually the SECOND CREATION.

    Some Beings took a creature that ALAREADY exists on Earth, and splices its DNA with their own.

    THE ORIGINAL CREATION.

    This creature had been found wandering around in the wilds. It was probably Homo Ergaster or Home Erectus.

    iT WAS ALREADY THERE.

    The Beings did NOT bring the spark of Life to anything. They didn’t have the power. Some other Source brought the Life/Energy Packet to a creation.

  16. Adam and Adam were sexless
    If you read correctly in the beginning it was Adam and Adam without sexes.
    The other sexless humanoid was not named Eve and made a woman ( from the womb or opening of man ) or Adam made a man until after the Serpent satan trickery.

  17. 180 from truth
    What the human genome project ACTUALLY does is show how amazingly complex and massive our build instructions are, putting another nail in the coffin of “random chance”. As for the mutations,they aren’t added to our instructions, they are REMOVED from the original,more complex design, allowing emphasis on a desired trait. Funny how evolutionists always leave out any truth that would cut them off at the knees. I’ll end with a final truth. The leading edge scientists in virtually every biologically related field have admitted evolution doesn’t work. They simply haven’t anything to replace it with. Don’t believe me? Do your own homework. I did mine.

    1. Actually, I prefer Panspermia. In my life I have seen it go from a curiosity proposed by Svente Arrhenius to moving to centre stage, what with all the exo-biological research. Hoyle and Wikramsinghe used to be mocked for their championing of it, but not any more. If you’re curious, take alook here:

      http://www.panspermia.org

      As you will see, there are alternatives, and they are testable by the scientific method. But even so, I’m not so doctrinaire as to claim it is proved, only that it is highly probable.

      Go figure! :lol:

  18. Oops! Forgot to add my handle!
    The tale of Adam and Eve obviously a myth to any rational and sane human being. It is waste of time to speculate otherwise. Why am I so certain? Besides the reasoning given in the article, the universality of first ancestor myths does not incline me to ascribe any more literal validity to one over the others. That the inference of a first ancestor (or ancestors) was acceptable to “primitive logic” (Levi-Strauss, anyone?, does not mean we should abandon the proved Logic that tells us otherwise. After all, if logic is good enough for the engineering we trust our lives to, why not accept what it has to say in this matter?

    This is not to say that myths are meaningless, in fact, imho, they are profoundly meaningful to humanity simply because of their universality. By studying them we learn of the psychological development of the species of which each of us is a part.

    Any way, it’s no skin of my nose: those who persist in believing in what have become literal absurdities will go the way of all those people who chose to continue to believe in gods who had died (and I don’t mean the mythic slain gods!).

  19. Adam & Eve a Myth Of course so is the Bible.
    TRUTH does not change because it is, or is not believed by the majority of the People.
    FACT : It is not possible to find in any legitimate religious or historical writings compiled between the beginning of the first century and well into the fourth century any reference to Jesus Christ and the spectacular events that the Church says accompanied his life.(frederic Farrar 1831-1903 of Trinity College Cambridge) We have NO source of information with respect to the life of Jesus Christ other than ecclesiastic writings assembled during the fourth century (codex Sinaiticus, Dr Constantin von Tischendorf, British Library)
    There is an explanation for those HUNDREDS of years of silence : The construct of Christianity did not begin until the first quarter of the first century and that is why Pope Leon X (d.1521) called the Christ a FABLE (Cardinal Bembo).
    It is well documented that In the fourth century, the Roman Emperor Constantine united all religious factions under one composite deity and ordered the compilation of new and old writings into a uniform collection that became the New Testament.
    the Church doesn’t want you to know, The Bible is basically a fraud a book of fiction compiled for Political control during the fourth century.

  20. We are all cousins.
    A greater surprise, even disbelief, occurred in 1997, when it was announced that mutations in mtDNA occur 20 times more rapidly than had been estimated. Without assuming that humans and chimpanzees had a common ancestor 5 million years ago or that Australia was populated 40,000 years ago, mutation rates can now be determined directly by comparing the mtDNA of many mother-child pairs. Using the new, more accurate rate, mitochondrial Eve lived only about 6,500 years ago.10
    Is there a “genetic Adam”? A man receives from his father a segment of DNA which lies on the Y chromosome; this makes him a male. Where did your father receive his segment? From his father. If we all descended from one man, all males should have the same Y chromosome segment—except for rare mutations.

    A 1995 study of a worldwide sample of 38 men showed no changes in this segment of the Y chromosome that is always inherited from fathers. Had humans evolved and all men descended from one male who lived 500,000 years ago, each should carry about 19 mutations. Had he lived 150,000 years ago, 5.5 mutations would be expected.11 Because no changes were found, our common father probably lived only thousands of years ago. While Adam was father of all, our most recent common male ancestor was Noah.

    Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/religion-philosophy/131180-scientific-evidence-adam-eves-existence-myth.html#ixzz1UyVqnjGJ

  21. No science, no man, no technology, will EVER be able to reveal the blurprint of God. Simply put, anyone who believes they have is an enemy of the CROSS. Anyone who even tries and those who buy into it is likewise! That’s why there is the mythicism of UFO’s. And all those funny weirdos you’ll hear on George Noory’s ” Coast to Coast AM.” E.g. “Hi George, I’ve been communicating with Zot of the planet Ovlov and he told me ….” ( Let your imagination run wild ). What’s sad is that people still believe the Gov’t UFO hoax as their gospel. So I say this, “show me an Alien. A living Alien. For if the Gov’t could they are therefore in the optimum position to discredit the BIBLE! End of story.

  22. Is the Church the Matrix?
    “The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you’re inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.” -Morpheus

    (If U substitute the word “Matrix” above for the word “Church”, it still means the same…)

  23. Scientific Opinion Is Needed
    It would be very interesting if Acharya would interview a Physicist, a Biochemist and a Geneticist. If they aren’t willing or able to sit thru an interview, she could request from them a written technical essay in response to her questions. I think technical essays would be much better than an interview, because with their permission, she could print them in one of her upcoming books.

    What questions would she present to these three professionals?

    The Doctor of Genetics could be asked how the immediate and future descendants of Adam and Eve would have been affected genetically – physically and mentally – if the Bible’s story of Adam and Eve had been true.

    The Physicist and Biochemist could then be given a list of (all) of Jesus’ miracles and asked to give a technical explanation of why those miracles could or could not happen.

    Their essays could be written for the layman as well as the scientist.

    I’ll bet that Acharya, a Physicist, a Biochemist and a Geneticist could turn a (scientific analysis) of the genetic inheritance problems of Adam and Eve, and, the miracles of Jesus, into an exciting new chapter of religious Mythology.

  24. All the human genome has “already” been mapped to one woman in Northern Africa (mitochondrial Eve). You all may have had your origin from apes but those that know, know that their bodies are proof and evidence of the creator, Yahweh-Elohim who is Yahshua. We are walking around all of us with the “cookie crumbs” all over us. If you want to deny you have a creator – please do so. Or that you were “seeded” here by some aliens that have to hide in shadows for 1000s of years because they can’t just come out openly and say they are our creators. Such colossal ignorance! With supposed technology 10,000 plus years in advance of ours – why would they have to hesitate? Yes, they exist but they didn’t create anything or anyone as perfected as the human form. We were divinely constructed and I’m thankful that I don’t have to speculate that but the evidence of that is in my flesh (Acts 17:30-31) and supported by the scriptures and more importantly a divine pattern that was revealed to Moses atop Mt. Sinai (Exodus 25:8-9 and 40) for which all creation was made in accordance with. Spew your ignorance and I’ll gladly give concrete proof and verifiable evidence to those that desire it (Rom 1:19-20 and I John 5:7-11)! Since you think something as intricately made as a human being came from some glob of primordial soup – put some feces on a curb and see if when you return it will have turned into a human being – not after a trillion years (and your feces at least has your DNAor “you” in it)!! Such foolishness!!! Check out http://www.thepatternofeverything.org if you even dare to know the truth or my own blog at http://www.soulfoodsupper.blogspot.com

  25. Indeed. The whole concept of “pure” genes is downright laughable. What do they even mean by that?

    Those creationists need to face facts. Inbreeding has always resulted in health problems. Simple as that. There was never any time when people could do this without any negative consequences.

  26. Genesis, God , paradise, Adam , Eve , the snake
    Tradition is so strong , that clouds the common sense.

    If tradition tell you to just believe, most of people just believe.

    Those who follow tradition, is not possible to have communication with them. They are ignorants about the subjet they defend.

    I am talking about people who believe in the paradise in earth, Adam and Eve. 7 days to crreate the earth. And the begining of man kind.

    The Bible , with all the books inside were writen by men. Ignorant men.
    But men who did their best effort to explain the creation , about 5000 years ago.

    Ignorant in the context of they did not have the knowledge we have now in the most general and basic concept. Now a normal person knows that the earth is not flat. That the earth is part of a planetary system. And the sun is the main element.

    5000 years ago , one man or maybe some men, started to describe the creation in ONLY what they could see.

    They saw a sky , land an sea, so they described as the main starting points of the earth.

    The earth was in darknes, so god set the sun,
    The moon was set to iluminate the night and help the traveleres.

    Then the animals etc…

    Thousands years of tradition gave the church the power.
    But then human experience and study (Science) started to discover the REAL creation.

    All new elements discovered that were not mention in the Bible were persecuted as heretic.

    Copernicus, Galileo, Marconi, Newton discorvered , planets, stars, radio waves , gravity, etc..

    None of these concepts were visible for the creators of the Bible.
    So the Bible does not include them.
    So the tradition stood in blind ignorance.
    So the church acted in violence .

    The church defended the god that is cruel, iignorant, not so pure, stupid, and creator of injustice.

    Well it was a paradise in earth , almost a perfect place to live. becuase, the not so pure god put the tree of evil in the center of Eden. And I thought that he had not nothing to do with EVIL.

    So he created the Evil Tree.

    Then the diabolic soul transform itself into a serpent to cheat on Eve and Adam.

    Then the original sin was commited¡¡¡

    God was so mad when he found that they disobey¡¡¡¡

    Then the ever loving god starts the chain of punishments.

    1. He wiped out paradise from earth. (So he pusnish earth, now the area is a desert. God becomes the first bad ecologist)

    2. He mutilates the snake , no arms or legs, forever to crawl and eat dirt.

    Wait a minute this ignorant stupid god , that is supossed to know everything , is making a big mistake¡¡¡

    The devil was transformed in snake, the snake species did not do anything¡¡¡ They were chating with the rabiits

    3. Talking about talking animals, all ceased to talk ( This loving god punish now all animals. Making them incapable to express the suffering to human cruelty)

    4. Eve and Adam are now to stay in earth, with no paradise.
    That means that Adam now has to work
    5. and suffer
    6. and have pain
    7.and get sick
    8.and get older
    9. and some day to die
    (paying taxes will be later)

    10. Eve will have to suffer to give birth
    11. The all loving god extend the punishment to all the children

    What was the sin that originated all these punisments to everybody and everything?

    Not even the Holy spirit knows¡¡¡¡

    The best thing of all these absurd story is that Jesus never mention the original sin.

    That is why you find the Bible so incongruent.

    5000 years ago…..many men, ignorant men. Did not have an answer about the hot desert they lived in.

    These men who in travels to deliver merchandise found other places , with green grass, trees, water.

    The did not know , that they lived in a planet with different ecosytems. Not even an idea of poles with eternal ice, jungles, deep sea.

    Why we live in area, with only sand?
    Why other towns have tree, water?

    The god have punish us.

    Something terrible my ancestor have done to offend god.

    That is why others have everything and we have nothing.

    And this men created the tale of Adam and Eve.

    Because they could not explain a dry hot desert. While the rest is green with water

  27. [quote]”… There are biblical references to Adam and Eve that, if taken literally, suggest they were real people. But these references are no more compelling than those made by the Psalmist to a fixed earth. And Adam essentially disappears from the Old Testament after his brief cameo in the Garden of Eden. The real issue, however, is theological. St. Paul, in the New Testament, speaks of Christ as a “Second Adam,” undoing the damage created by the first Adam. If we don’t have Adam to explain where sin came from, then Christianity supposedly collapses. The intertwined biblical and theological problems of the Adam controversy are strikingly analogous to their Galilean predecessors. The Adam issue is more significant, however, since it deals with humanity and connects to Christ….”

    “…the biblical story of Adam and Eve was never intended to be read as literal history. The world “Adam” for example, is the generic Hebrew word for “man.” “Eve” means “living one.” The story is about a couple with the improbable names “Man and Living One,” who reside in a magical garden and take walks with God in the evening.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karl-giberson-phd/the-bible-is-a-library-no_b_923690.html/quote

  28. Religion is Mental Illness
    Christians have to believe in the concept of original sin otherwise there is no need for redemption and thus no need for a savior. As soon as you reject the Adam and Eve nonsense the whole religion falls to pieces…there is simply no need for it.

    Then there are those that say the Apple is just a metaphor for sex. This is ridiculous as well. That is just saying that your god lied about the apple incident so that he didn’t have to tell Adam and Eve “don’t have sex” THIS IS CRAZY. Not to mention the premise that your god created Man, with a requirement to have sex to procreate and then told them no. MORE CRAZY.

    The trolling religioso have given a clear example of what most of us have known for a long time, Religion is a Mental Illness.

    “I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort to take away rational decision, to drain people of their free will–and a hell of a lot of money in the bargain…religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain.”
    – Gene Roddenbury

    http://www.christplagiarized.com

  29. hmm
    Taking speculation and putting it together as fact isn’t science, it’s sociopathic. Two black people procreate and their offspring is white. If your article was true, then that said example isn’t real, and everyone just imagined it, right? I think you’ve failed to understand the real point in mythology, as you’re more likely to be mythical than Jesus was. Truth hurts.

    1. ‘judd’ sounds like a Christian who’s upset that anybody would be skeptical of anything in the bible. judd must’ve missed this part:

      [b]”some conservative scholars are saying publicly that they can no longer believe the Genesis account. Asked how likely it is that we all descended from Adam and Eve, Dennis Venema, a biologist at Trinity Western University, replies: “That would be against all the genomic evidence that we’ve assembled over the last 20 years, so not likely at all.”[/b]

      So, the ‘speculation’ leading to ‘sociopathy’ here without credible evidence to back it up is the bible as judd exemplifies perfectly.

  30. ancesters
    if all the people in the bible are real, then what happened to the offspring of those with supernatural powers? I would think that they would be here today to rule over us with the same fear they instilled in the bible stories. or maybe they just left and went up to Mt. Olympus with the rest of the gods and dissappeared forever.

  31. jesusisthesunrise
    You are nothing but another brainwashed christian spreading disinformation. Genesis is just a myth from Sumer and fallen angels do not exist ! Angels are supposed to be spirit right , how com spirits be able to bread with physical humans on earth ? :whistle: :woohoo:

  32. BIBLICAL CREATION TRUTH
    The current debate relating to Adam and Eve as a uniquely created couple from whom humanity has descended or not is an exercise in futility. The findings of the Genome Project headed by Francis Collins in no way are definitive. There are a number of scientists who are questioning the findings of the same. As such, we need not feel threatened by the same. In a way, if the Genesis 1 account of creation was interpreted properly there would be no room for any debate. The reader here is requested to visit: http://christianreading.com/jmartins/ and read biblical account of creation and get a clear understanding.

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