A Muslim man to get behind

zuhdi jasserNow here’s a fellow who has only made sense about his – and our – concerns regarding the “radicalization” of Islam in America. While he and I may differ on accepting as a “prophet of God” a man bragged about in Islamic literature to have personally killed hundreds, enslaved hundreds more, married a six-year-old girl and begun having sex with her at the age of nine, Dr. Zudhi Jasser appears at least to be interested in preserving our freedoms under the U.S. Constitution.

For the reason that he is taking a serious risk – as we know, the religion of peace likes to kill apostates and other people outspoken against its “radicalism” or, rather, devout aspect – in voicing an opinion that is unpopular among many Muslims but certainly popular with many non-Muslims, Dr. Jasser deserves my support. In essence, he is trying to talk his fellow Muslims into accepting that our Western democratic ways are superior to the barbarism of sharia law. For a declared Muslim, that type of dissent can get you killed.

“I was taught the value of liberty. I saw no conflict between the fact that I prayed five times a day and that I would be prepared to give my life to protect the freedom of every citizen of this country, whether they’re atheist, Christian, Jewish or otherwise….” 

Dr. Zudhi Jasser

Following is an interview by Dallas Morning News’s Rod Dreher, who has been covering the threat of “radical” Islam for several years in a solid and professional manner.  Thanks to Rod, too, for having the insight, integrity and courage to take on this subject through all these politically correct years.

Point Person: Our Q&A with Dr. Zuhdi Jasser

Phoenix physician Zuhdi Jasser was particularly stung by the Fort Hood massacre. Like him, Maj. Nidal Malik Hassan is a Muslim, a son of Middle Eastern immigrants, a doctor and a military man. But there’s a key difference: Hasan appears to have succumbed to the radical Islamist ideology that Jasser spends his time as Muslim activist fighting. Jasser is shunned by mainstream U.S. Muslim organizations, in part because he insists that they’re really cover organizations for the same kind of political Islam that poisoned Hasan’s mind. Jasser spoke by phone last week to Rod Dreher….

“The difference is that I was blessed to have parents who taught me that I’m an American who happens to be Muslim, that my faith identity is important for my relationship with God, but my community identity is primarily related to being an American and having a faith and loyalty to the U.S. Constitution and our system of government. Never in my home did we refer to Syria as home, or say that our government was inferior to  sharia law or the Islamic state. I joined the military because I felt a deep-seated obligation to give back to the country that gave me freedom that no other country gave…

“I was taught the value of liberty. I saw no conflict between the fact that I prayed five times a day and that I would be prepared to give my life to protect the freedom of every citizen of this country, whether they’re atheist, Christian, Jewish or otherwise….”

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  1. Falsehoods about Mohammed
    abubaqar, surely you are joking? You have never heard about Mohammed having sex with his “wife” when she was nine from any other source? You honestly believe that I just made all that up whole cloth?

    [quote]Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310 ([url]http://www.faithfreedom.org/content/aisha-child-wife-muhammad-0[/url]):

    ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64

    Narrated ‘Aisha:
    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65

    Narrated ‘Aisha:
    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)’

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88

    Narrated ‘Ursa:
    The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
    [/quote]
    I am not the one who is lying, obviously, and, fortunately, many people are becoming aware of the Islamic practice of taqiyya ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya[/url]), which you are engaging in here.

    Nothing I have said about Mohammed is fabricated by me – but you do not have the knowledge or honesty, apparently, to admit that fact. Instead, you dishonestly call me a liar, because you either do not know the traditions concerning Aisha/Ayesha or you are attempting to demonize [i]me[/i].

    Instead of making up lies about me, why do you not address the hadiths which clearly depict Aisha as being six years old when Mohammed married her and nine when he began having sex with her.

    Instead of falsely presenting me as having “made up” these “lies,” you would serve your cause better to acknowledge that they are part of Islamic tradition. Lying about such things will not help you.

    I had absolutely nothing to do with making up this centuries-old Muslim tradition, and your remarks here accusing me of such dishonesty are frankly despicable.

    Debating me will have no effect in changing the traditions I have honestly and correctly depicted here. I suggest you take up the matter with the Muslim clerics.

  2. muslim demonization
    again i see s.acharya vomiting her rabid anti muslim lies against us and the prophet of islam. i have challenged her to a public debate anywhere in the world where she can provide proof of her false claims for all to see and judge accordingly, she has not taken this up as i am sure she knows her lies will be clear for all to see!!
    the prophet did not marry at ayesha his wife at 6 years old,she was 9 but was taken to her marriage home when she was 14 years old!!
    what acharya is trying to brainwash you readers with is that the prophet was a paedophile, so i like to ask you all, when a marriage is conducted openly by a father,mother,her family, and tribe and all the community is involved is that a paedophile act???

    was these people stupid, brainless and acharya was right?

    today in australia the prime minister apologised to british children taken there under compulsion from their families and abused over the years, which is normal practice by the judeo-christian world as is evident from your actions in every sphere of the world including recently, iraq and afghanistan in case you forget!

    instead of vomiting lies acharya come openly and address us with your accusations based on lies, i am sure joe public are not as stupid as you make them out to be!!!

    1. an intelligent woman- aka Jose

      Are you serious?
      Did you really just support the ‘marriage’ of a 9 year old, having that child being taken away from her family, and being forced to act as a wife at the age of 14?

      That’s rape- plain and simple.

      All of humanity should cry out and protest. No 9 year old is mature enough to understand what married life means and no 14 year old should be sold into a life a misery. Make no mistake about it- that’s what it is. You say the father, mother and tribe supported the act. Did you not ever ask how they benefited from this? When in doubt ask who is t gain; it wasn’t the young girl.

      This is the act of a pedophile. This is not a cultural issue, nor a religious one- it is an act of inhumanity. To support this is to support pedophiles and what they do.

      Acharya doesn’t lie. She simply doesn’t need to. The truth is bizarre and horrific enough. Instead of trying to tear her down why not look yourself in the mirror and take ownership for your support of such a horrific act? Wait- it takes courage to state the truth and to face it. It’s easier to point the finger at others rather than face it yourself.

      Josephine Public

    2. I guess we can chalk up this little misunderstanding to yet another example of the Koran’s unintended ambiguity when translated from Arabic.

      “If 6 Were 9” — Jimi Hendrix

      “If 6 Were 14” — Mohammed

  3. Constitution of Allah
    Overarching (embracing or overshadowing everything)

    Dichotomised (a separation into two divisions that contradict each other)

    Transcendent (being above or outside all known categories)

    Evolution (being the gradual development of something into a more complex form)

    Knowledge (meaning the underlying constitution of all, being, pure truth, or knowledge)

    Transfinite (Beyond infinity)

    When considering this essay, remember that all the laws of physics within our reality are manifest; that means they only apply to the manifest reality, not to the emanating reality, so bear in mind that our physical universe is generated from an underlying manifold of fluidic space, which functions under completely different parameters.

    The following is an explanation of the underlying structure of all realities; a consideration of the formation of reality itself.

    Nothing in its purest and most intense form holds the womb of genesis; yet nothing is pure non-existence, an ultimate absolute. This sounds irrational, but consider; is not absolutely pure nothingness in itself a state of a continuous form – that of absolute pure nothingness? The concept of absolute nothingness is difficult to conceive within the mind; it is beyond blackness, it is outside of any idea of time, it is beyond even infinitesimal volume, and possesses none of these attributes. This absolute is a state of PURE nothingness, a state of being in itself.

    This fixed state – the absolute purity of nothingness – demands the realisation of purity in the actuality of this reality; a paradoxical affirmation that recognises the emergence of a single, exotic, ethereal, virtual complexity. Yet at the same instant, that single exotic virtual complexity is the sum of all knowledge – unsullied, undiluted, the sole alpha knowledge – not as a simple idea of the mind, but as the fundamental embryo of conscious imaginative reality, the nascent seed of conscious potential building within. So from the womb of nothingness, the seed of consciousness grows in its realisation. The governing form is inaugurated and all the underlying foundations are instituted, driving all creations.

    Two opposing states exist. Each rebuffs the other, and both must exist for each to remain; one non-representational, one representational. Pure nothingness holds true yet something remains – something demanding that pure nothingness is all that exists. In so doing, a powerful dichotomy exists and the tension of the two opposing forces drives all existence. But between the two extremes (being the salaam which holds the dichotomy in balance) the unified segregation of the paradox – which is eternally expanding creation – manifests fresh knowledge perpetually, all emanating through a single source; the tension between the two extremes of the overarching dichotomy, Allah (Not God), the eternally growing seed of the single consciousness of the alpha and the omega.

    In clarification, pure nothingness exists, but simultaneously everything exists. It is a paradoxical dichotomy, much like the light of the Sun; the blackness still exists beneath it, so within blackness there is always the potential of light, and within light the potential of blackness. So even if light fills all creations, blackness remains dominant beneath, as within the asymmetrical order of creation the unchangeable state always underpins the changeable.

    Another example of this is silence. Sounds fill the silence, but the silence still exists beneath, and will exist after the sounds have been completed. An asymmetrical order, the system works only one way and the dichotomy of light, or silence, mirrors the dichotomy of Allah; beneath all creations nothingness exists, and only through the constant manifestation of all creations, instant by instant, do they remain.

    The very knowledge of pure non-existence obliterates the reality of untainted nothingness. When considering this line of reasoning, keep in mind that both three dimensional space and linear time are manifest realities, not reality; within the overarching dichotomy the true concepts of time and space are not apparent.

    Knowledge of nothingness transcends into absence; absence transcends into awareness of absence; awareness transcends into knowledge; perpetually revolving knowledge. Absence suggests that there exists the potential of something missing that will appear, whereas the concept of nothingness contains no suggestion of potential.

    You may ask, ‘how can we know this to be true?’

    Because the original structure repeats throughout all creations – infinite in diversity yet held within a framework of common structure – this underlying structure therefore exists, and can be observed again and again within this physical reality (so this infers that these underlying structures also exist within the virtual). Knowledge builds on knowledge, evolves and expands; all realities are constructed from pure knowledge and all energy is a physical manifestation of knowledge, so we know everything began from this point, and as it began so it continues.

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    Fractal Reality

    Nature is built upon differential fractal mathematics, meaning fragmented geometric forms that can be repeatedly subdivided into parts, each of which is a smaller differential copy of the whole. Fractals are used in computer modelling of natural structures that do not have simple geometric shapes such as clouds, mountainous landscapes, and coastlines. An example of this copying mechanism within your own body would be DNA, which is a pattern copied within every cell. Another example is the growth of a crystal building outward (consider that 99.9% of all solid mass is crystalline, and crystals are fractal geometric structures), or the growth of bacteria cascading out of a single copy. A fractal universe only hides the truth in scale, producing a potent copy within a copy, all of the same underlying structure.

    When you consider the concept of ‘began’, consider it as being free of linear time; a single consciousness, imagining ‘Be’ (phonetically ‘cun fa ya cun’) without any linear time: a single infinite instant held with no beginning and no end in CIRCULAR time, the revolving wheel of a fleeting moment – only one instant, that ignition point when the dichotomy formed, being the totality of all time. That single realisation of pure non-existence – which is the single point of all – is an isolated moment spinning between denial and affirmation, and through its dichotomisation complexity evolves.

    The linear time we understand within this physical reality is a construct of this complexity, ‘Be’ (phonetically ‘cun fa ya cun’) pours from this spinning conflict, building linear time instant by instant to give the perception, or illusion, of the passage of time.

    Creation pours from being; ‘Be’ always existed within time, from the very beginning of time, but is nonexistent until manifestation. Put another way, once apparent within the virtual, it had always existed, but before its virtual appearance it was nonexistent; a dichotomy of manifestation. So unmanifest events are only a network of potentials within the conceived thought of creation. Allah (not God) being the best of planners, this circular time moment allows the whole of created events to exist simultaneously, from the first instant of that moment spinning back to the first instant of that moment. While the potential of expanding events within the revolving moment (in the abstract of unmanifest thought) exists simultaneously, so the un-manifest thought of Allah exists as an infinite potential of all possibilities, while simultaneously every single manifest thought existed from the first instant of the moment; ‘creation’.

    This presents an additional aspect. If every single event happens at the same instant it has no central point of origin, but has an infinite origin; it can have no central point-source, as space itself is a manifest creation, so nothing can have an outside and an inside, a point of generation – it is pure generated imaginative thought. The physical realm is a manifest reality so linear time, voluminous space and physical matter are all manifest and do not apply to the generating source.

    Once conceived from the perspective of circular time, the unity of every instant, the unity of every thought, the unity of every manifestation, the unity of every differential fractal infinity, becomes a comprehensible, absolute and undividable unity.

    The differential fractural organisation of this reality structure allows infinity, the infinitely small and the infinitely large; not only in the physical universe, but infinitely beyond; beyond even the comprehension of the mind itself.

    You may doubt the idea that something emerged from pure nothingness, but consider this; is not every single new event, from the new manifestation of any thing to the continuation of what has been already manifest, created from absolutely nothing? It comes from pure nothingness, and the system was established upon that first instant and continues in the same order. All realities pour from pure nothingness, through the overarching dichotomy of the combined, unified attributes of a single consciousness. Within the deen of Islam, 99 attributes of the overarching consciousness have been compiled; I would imagine the true number of attributes far exceeds this limited estimate.

    It becomes clear why the virtual exists as linear, time-free emergent knowledge, which transcends into cognisant knowledge, spinning out into wheels within wheels. Cognisant knowledge transcends into a volume/physical (as we perceive it) absent infinity of virtual truth; cognisant knowledge builds on knowledge, until infinity transcends into infinities of pure truth, conscious thought and reasoned purity.

    And from these infinitudes of knowledge existence, in all it splendour, longs to evolve into intensifying conscious knowledge, folding consciousness back within the self-aware, folding back into the centre and out – spinning out in a toroidal circulation of ever intensifying consciousness, always in a united harmony of conscious purpose.

    The cognisant knowledge evolves, building, its state becoming ever more complex, more connected, more negentropic, until the single consciousness builds to the birth of imaginative creation – one consciousness, holding all creation within its matrix, correlated to every aspect, concept, precept, and an expanding engine of infinite imagination. We know this, because we observe this evident form of evolving complexity within this reality. The universe builds in complexity, the natural world builds in complexity, the knowledge of humanity builds in complexity and so on. We also have geometric structure, repeated throughout creation, form and function; order regardless of magnitude, simply the same differential fractal order no matter the scale.

    http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/images/triptychinfinityorig.jpg

    Infinity in a Droplet

    Each infinity is held as a single drop within the next, each drop infinite, yet finite, each infinity beyond inclusive comprehension yet perceived, an endless infinity of infinities. This is because there is in fact only one infinity, Allah (Not God) the transfinite being, balanced between and in direct contradiction to pure nonexistence, and unified in the realisation of all reality. Every element assembles in unity in the combination of every attribute of Allah, to form the blinding light of every creation as a unified whole.

    How do we know this is true? Because again, this archetypal order still exists; it is a form of order that is reproduced throughout creation.

    Dichotomy is its form – a contradiction of force, both nothing and something, simultaneously existent; the forces of opposites pull at the fabric of reality from the attainment of the moment of nothingness to the growth of the knowledge of that purity.

    Allah is what lays between the two extremes. The form of order is copied throughout creation; light is the extreme of blackness, but every colour of light is held and combined to generate the whole white light, just as Allah’s consciousness culminates when unified into the whole of all realities.

    All reality is built upon these dichotomies (copying the form of the overarching dichotomy). The forces defy reason yet contain logic, they hold true yet confuse the intellect; a pure contradiction of direct opposites.

    This founding structure is the template – knowledge transmuted in purpose, function and interaction, but not in their natures; contradiction drives the universe, north and south, dark and light, attraction and repulsion, all working in balance yet in conflict, all working in harmony yet in disequilibrium; evolving, dynamic, interactive, held in contradiction.

    Another point to consider is the description of Jannah (meaning a garden hidden in foliage. This is not a physical description of a garden of paradise; it is a metaphoric garden filled with abundant growth, a place where all grow and develop – not plants, but a garden for the self to expand and grow). This describes one end of the dichotomy of Allah, and Jahannam (a black, cold, bare place, nothing to drink nor eat, except for each inhabitant who consume themselves, a stagnant and wasted existence) describes the opposite end of the dichotomy, that of nothingness.

    Another point to consider is the relationship of circular time to existence in Jahannam (pure nothingness). As every instant returns to the beginning of all existence, at the first moment you enter nothingness you will have existed in Jahannam from the very beginning of existence, of all realities; this makes clear why you are warned not to spend a second in Jahannam.

    The very structure of realities follows the same basic models/patterns. For example, our infinite universe is held as a single drop within an infinite ocean of knowledge, which in turn is held as a single drop within a greater ocean, and so on. (See ‘Melded Multiple Infinities.’)

    All existence is knowledge pure and undiluted; knowledge gives birth to greater knowledge, communication transcends to transformation, transformation builds from state to state, ever more complex, and truth holds all realities in unity.

    Energy flows from the emanating manifold to manifest all our physical universe; quibits (quantum bits of information) manifest three dimensional space through geometric vortices, taking simple geometric shapes and twisting them into a helix; electromagnetic energy manifests from time, and this generates the plasma universe. Knowledge in a flux of perceived rigid tension manifests the crystalline structure of solid mass, and a higher level of conscious knowledge manifests life – all through a psycho-reactive quantum super fluidic ether. Within infinitude possibilities, all is energy; all tangible energy exists as physical knowledge, virtual knowledge, potential knowledge, evolving from state to state (See ‘Supreme Existence’, ‘Time explained’, ‘The Formation of a Galaxy, Evolving a Universe’ – see links via the link below).

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    Truth is Existence

    Knowledge is filtered through consciousness, ordered and reordered, through more and more refined interactions and transformations, expanding the truth of perfection; truth is the nature of existence.

    We can ourselves expand and evolve our own emotional energy through the same form of development – the advancement of a higher form of knowledge through an interaction with a lower form, for example:

    The blackness of infinite physical space, speckled with points of light, fills the mind above and around the world. Each dot burns beyond a great distance, yet also beyond closeness; all knowledge connects and interacts, evolves and propagates knowledge.

    This dusty blackness, like nothingness, transcends into new innate beauty; the burning fiery sky of the red dawn, slowly filling the world with the fervent colours of blinding brilliance – taking the deepest point of darkness to ignition in an instant filling the senses, your soul rising, expanding with the intensification of splendour, a burning beauty with the power to grab a conscious soul and effortlessly lift it to the heights of poetry.

    So the assimilation of one expression of knowledge builds from state to state, for the expansion of a higher order.

    The evolution of knowledge

    By Ibn Arabi (born in Spain in 1165 AD died in Damascus in 1240 AD)

    Ahadiyah – The absolute, pure Unity.

    The attributes of Allah are combined in unity, under the tension between pure nothingness, and absolute manifestation.

    Wahidiyah – Oneness of many. The Unity of multiplicity.

    As in light, all the colours must combine to create white light, this unity of multiplicity is mirrored through the combination of the attributes of Allah in manifestation. As (mentioned previously within this essay) the Muslims of the past have established, from the deen of Islam, 99 attributes of the overarching consciousness, it seems conceivable far more attributes would exist.

    Thabitah – The archetypes are ‘permanent’ or ‘permanently subsistent’, i.e., they have been fixed once for all in the eternal past and are, therefore, absolutely unalterable and immovable.

    The moment of spinning time, a circular moment, from the beginning to the end of time, instant to instant; this means every event has existed from the beginning of time at the moment of manifestation, but did not exist before that moment; in this process you have an eternal past.

    Ayal al-mumkinat – essences of the possible things.

    Infinite potentials exist within the imagination of the single consciousness, but only after the moment of manifestation of the chosen potential is that event apparent; the potential always exists.

    Qada – allotment, that the predetermination is a decisive judgment. It is the qadar that assigns to every event its peculiar time. The specification of the appointed time at which each of the things should actually occur in accordance with its archetypal state.

    Every action/event has a predetermined/preordained response.

    Hukm – decree of Allah concerning events, given in strict accordance with Allah Knowledge of events and their previously established properties.

    All time is always available, from the beginning of time to the end of time. To Allah perception of events within a manifest linear time structure [this] affords two things; it presents a progression and continuity, accountability for previous actions, and is observably quantifiable.

    Al-khalq al-jaded – the world goes on being created anew at every single moment, the Absolute is continually manifesting itself in the infinity of ‘possible’ things.

    The manifest universe is manifested into existence instant by instant; without this continual recreation of all reality it would cease to exist.

    Nuzul – descent. This is done by descent of the Absolute towards the lower levels of Being.

    Arif – a knower (perfect human) can, if he likes, affect any object by concentrating all his spiritual energy upon it; he can even bring into existence a thing which is not actually existent.

    Himmah – a concentrated spiritual energy; objects created by himmah continue to exist only so long as the himmah maintains it.

    Taskhir – true knowledge does not allow himmah to be freely exercised. And the higher the knowledge, the less possibility there is for a free exercise of himmah; even the most perfect of all Apostles (akmal al-rusul), Muhammad, did not exercise himmah. For, being the highest ‘knower’, he knew better than anybody else that ‘miracles’ were, in truth, ineffective.

    Ibn Arabi distinguishes between two kinds of taskhir:

    Taskhir bi-al-iradah – constraining by will. It refers to a descending order of taskhir, in which a higher being constrains a lower.

    Taskhir bi-al-hal – constraining by the situation. Refers to ascending order of taskhir, in which a lower being constrains a higher being. The higher being is constrained by the state in which the lower being is found. Here the ‘constraining’ occurs by the fact that the lower and the higher happen to be in a certain relationship with each other.

    Al-Qashani expressed this:

    All the modes of the archetypes are things that have been known to Allah (from eternity), permanently fixed in potentiality, and Allah brings them out to actuality incessantly and perpetually.

    He goes on transforming the possibilities that have been there from the beginning-less past and that are essentially uncreated, into infinite possibilities that are actually created.

    Thus everything is in the state of ascending at this very moment because it is perpetually receiving the endlessly renewed ontological Divine self-manifestations, and at every self-manifestation the thing goes on increasing in its receptivity for another (i.e., the next) self-manifestation.

    The world in its entirety is perpetually changing. And every thing (in the world) is changing in itself from moment to moment. Thus every thing becomes determined at every moment with a new determination which is different form that with which it was determined a moment ago.

    Thus the Absolute reveals itself perpetually in these successive self-manifestations, while the world is perpetually being lost due to its annihilation at every moment and its renewed birth at the next moment.

    But (ordinary) people do not know the reality of this phenomenon.

    In this world-view expressed by Ibn Arabi, nothing remains static; the world in its entirety transforms itself kaleidoscopically from moment to moment, and yet all these movements of self-development are the ‘ascending’ movements of the things toward the Absolute-One, precisely because they are the ‘descending’ self-expression of the Absolute-One.

    The ‘new creation’ he speaks of concerns the concrete things of the sensible world, and not the permanent archetypes themselves.

    Thus in Ibn Arabi’s thought, everything in the world (and therefore the world itself) is constantly changing, but underlying this universal flux of changing things there is Something eternally unchanging.

    The Descent is followed by its reversal, that is, Ascent, thus the whole process of creation forms a huge ontological circle in which there is in reality neither an initial point nor a final point, the whole circle is a trans-temporal or a-temporal phenomenon – everything is an occurrence in an Eternal Now.

    Slightly edited for English-speaking readers from Servant of the Light – http://servantofthelight.com/

    1. Nice stuff, Anonymous. Way off topic, but beautiful stuff. That is spirituality, not vulgar, dumbed-down religion. Mainstream Islam is McDonalds and this stuff is 5 star cuisine. It’s part of a timeless mystical strain that puts on the clothing of whatever major religion dominates in the area. You can find this in the mystical strains of all other major religions with very little difference.Same tune, different instruments. Unfortunately not everyone has the depth or ability to take this stuff in, so the vulgar, mainstream religion of the area dominates. If Islam was understood as this sort of thing most of our Muslim problems would not exist. People who are spiritual in this way make the world a better place and have much to teach the rest of us. Thanks again.

  4. I’m always saying how sick I am of hearing about all Muslims don’t support Islamic terrorists(& no, “Truth” most terrorists aren’t white, call the ACLU on me you racist loser)since the only thing they ever protest & agitate about are our western freedom to criticise their oppressive culture.I always note how they riot & murder worldwide over a cartoon in a tiny European(non-Muslim)country but are hypocritically silent every time a Muslim terrorist outrage is committed & never counter the non-stop violent rantings and threats of their imams.I still do.But here’s a Muslim man publicly countering my criticisms with action,& at obvious personal risk.So here he is,exactly the kind of Muslim I complain about never hearing from.So I’m behind him & I hope the rest of you are too. Men like him have an honored place in free western societies & he has much to teach his Muslim peers, & us too, no doubt.

    1. All societies have some level of repression or another. Even many countries that we don’t necessarily consider to be democracies have some freedoms that americans don’t have. For example, in Thailand you can just buy a gun and fire it. Here you have to go through a license process unless you decide to buy through the black market. America has many rules to keep order in the streets.. but those same laws make it feel like you live in a very restrictive and oppressive society where you are afraid to be who you are or express yourself. You don’t get that feeling in some other countries even though those other countries may be personally more dangerous.

  5. Forget something?
    The Elephant in the room!

    Go figure.

    Hint: No images allowed.

  6. true equality seems beyond human capability
    Sadly the plan the antichrist has is to use Israel/Russia (which is one) to get the Christians and the Muslims to kill each other off-they want to stamp out any religion that is about love and being a person who can get to heaven by being loving and accepting to other people-to love others as your equal-the antichrist demands inequity-and that is what the NWO is about-a few elite controlling masses of serfs-who they plan through technology to turn into robot slaves-while you are busy killing the false enemy-for the real enemy’s benefit-they are laughing at you and feeling quite smug and superior. I disagree, I think you Christians are much more evil than the jews could ever hope to be-the Muslims are the only innocent victims here and they will get to Heaven-because all the crimes they are accused of are really perpetrated in secret by Israel-you Christians are very stupid and easily fooled.

  7. White people are the ONLY radicals!!
    Whites are the ones who are going to and fro – up and down the earth slaughtering and robbing everyone!!! White christians, white jews, white pagans, and white satanists are the guilty ones!!!

    But as satan, they accuse the innocent day and night!!

    Whites create all wars and they did 911!!!

    Not all white people are terrorists, but alllllllllll terrorists are white!!

    1. Gee, that’s not racist. 🙁

  8. Just when I thought I heard it all

    Did I hear seperation of Muslim and state? Clearly this is a soul lost to western ideology. 😮

    1. Clearly, you have just admitted that Muslims do not believe in separation of mosque and state, and that they believe that upholding Western civilization makes them “lost souls.” Such a notion would indicate that “true” Muslims do indeed hold no allegiance to anything outside of Islam, as is the fear of many non-Muslims – and, obviously, in the case of Dr. Jasser, some Muslims – worldwide.

  9. …and the winner of the stupidest post ever goes to…..

  10. Religions Will Soon Die
    Until ALL religions go away, this planet is doomed to the Wars and Death it has experienced for 2000++ years. Why? Religion is the opiate of the masses and uneducated. It was created to control the people and bring money to the corrupt ones in religious power. The people are taught to look without–to the religion– for their answers, not to look within their own spirituality and sense of what is right or wrong. “If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.” (Albert Einstein) If they did look within, they would take the ONLY tenet common to all religions: Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You. Not–it is my way or the highway. Albert Einstein: “The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description .. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism.”

    1. Everybody has a religion. Even those that are not religious. Many of what we call science, for example, takes the place of religion several hundred years ago. We don’t call it religion, but we take some of the same attitudes toward it that our ancestors did toward religion. For example, we never question whether or not what is said in science books is accurate. They have their “God”, scientists have their “big bang” theory for example. To question it is considered lunacy by some or even heresy by those in the scientific community. But even this theory may very well be wrong. The human mind likes to have a world in which it’s curiousity is satisfied and it likes to know that it lives in a safe a predictable world.
      I don’t think religion will ever go away. You can only change the type of religion or beliefs that are tought toward people, not whether or not there is a religion.
      Religion, historically, also served as a cheap method of controlling people. It’s cheaper to have people paying into a church than it is to build jail cells. And this has served a good and “bad” purpose. In short, people problems are never going to go away. You can change where the problem is, but I don’t think you can change whether or not there are problems.

  11. Wow, there sure is a lot of nonsense here
    Dear God/Allah/Yahweh/Humpty Dumpty please save me from your followers.
    Abubaqar, when you call someone out and she makes you look like a complete imbecile you’re supposed to say you’re sorry. Also, if you think that just because an entire family condones the rape of a child that it isn’t pedophilia then you are one sick and demented person. All that you have succeeded in here is making yourself look like an emasculated, child porn loving, sick, fool. I bet if you try again you accomplish the same thing.

  12. what is called “terrorism” is sometimes called “freedom fighting” depending on the politics of the region and time. Terrorism is just another form of warfare. The results are the same as that of conventional warfare, it’s just that the effects tend to be smaller in scale and usually they don’t play by the rules of “conventional” warfare. But hey, does anybody really do that anymore these days?
    We call civilians deaths due to cluster bombing a target “collateral damage”.

    If you believe muslims support terrorism, then by that logic christians must support occupation and exploitation of natural resources of countries. Or better yet, insert whatever descriptor known that you want to use “Americans, whites, westerners, etc”. It’s all as equally valid. In short almost everybody is guilty of something.

    Even if you do support the notion that Islam supports terrorism, and somehow manage to get rid of Islam.. you are never going to get rid of terrorism. Getting rid of terrorism implies getting rid of free will. Because you can’t destroy a method of warfare, no more than you can dictate how people can dance to a style of music.

  13. Get Real
    The Koran Quran was plainly plagarised from the bible old and new and like the bible each denomination twists it to suit itself. When are the one and a half billion muslims going to realise that there was history before their prophet even was a twinkle in his father’s eye. For the sake of Zeus get over it. We’ll all be better off when someone can come back and tell us there were no virgins waiting and no paradise.
    Get a real life

  14. It’s now official – there’s been no actual shortage of Holocaust survivors:

    ‘The Israeli Prime Minister’s office recently put the number of “living Holocaust survivors” at nearly a million’ (extract from The Holocaust Industry by Norman G. Finkelstein of the City University of New York, published by Verso, London and New York, 2000, p.83).

    [Googling “holocaust survivor” supplies 1,710,000 items]

    And see Wikipedia article: List of Holocaust survivors
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Holocaust_survivors – quote:

    “There are many famous Holocaust survivors who survived the Nazi genocides in Europe and went on to achievements of great fame and notability. Those listed here were, at the very least, residents of the parts of Europe occupied by the Axis powers during World War II who survived until the end of the Holocaust (and the war). The majority of these people survived incarceration in the Nazi concentration camps, but that is not strictly necessary for the purposes of this list…”

    Statement by Richard Lynn, Professor Emeritus
    University of Ulster, December 5, 2005:

    “I’ve checked out the six volumes of Churchill’s Second World War and the statement is quite correct – not a single mention of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ‘six million’ Jewish victims of the war.

    Eisenhower’s Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; Churchill’s Second World War totals 4,448 pages; and De Gaulle’s three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages.

    In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ‘six million’ Jewish victims of the war.”

  15. “Why do you always say having sex to denigrate marriage? How would you like somebody always say that your father had sex with some girl ( not mentioning that that girl was your mother).? This is very offensive and not polite at all!!!”

    My mother was a consenting ADULT, not a “girl,” because we come from a [i]civilized [/i]part of the world. If anyone’s father had repeatedly raped a nine-year-old GIRL, I would call a spade like a spade. Doing anything else is VERY OFFENSIVE AND NOT POLITE AT ALL. Yes, let’s cover up child rape by calling it something else!

    “Hadiths are what the prophet siad and not what others say. If at all Aysha said that she was married at the age of six (Muslims don’t believe the “hadith” you are quoting is translated correctly)”

    First of all, the Bukhari collection ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahih_al-Bukhari[/url]) I cited is called “one of the six canonical [i]hadith [/i]collections of Sunni Islam.” Note the word “hadith” in there. What shall we call these particular passages then? I admit I don’t know much Arabic – I am only being compelled to learn all these terms in order to address Islamic fanaticism.

    As concerns what Muslims believe, it is becoming obvious that they don’t know as much about “their” religion as is thought. So, if you already know that “Muslims don’t believe the ‘hadith’ I am quoting is translated correctly,” you and abubaqar, who dishonestly accused me of “lying – and act for which he has yet to apologize – obviously know all about these passages quoting Aisha.

    The “bad translation” argument won’t cut it, because even in other languages these passages obviously are translated pretty much the same, as Afghans, for one, constantly use this “marriage” story to justify their own “child marriages.”

    Which you next do yourself:

    “There was nothing immoral about it relatively speaking.”

    There was nothing “immoral” about having sex with a nine-year-old child? Those would be YOUR “morals,” not mine. And a sign of a barbaric culture that Allah should have known all about and, being omnipotent, could have ended. But he didn’t, as day after day girls are being raped by old men in the Muslim world – and not [b]illegally [/b]either, as is the case in much of the rest of the world.

    [img]http://freethoughtnation.com/images/child-bride-afghanistan.jpg[/img]

    “Why do you only include Arabs and Hebrews for resorting to child marriages as if the other parts of the world did not have this practice?”

    I don’t include only Arabs and Hebrews, but I understand that Muslim apologists always use this tactic. Wherever the practice has occurred, it is wrong, period. Enlightened individuals do not have sex with nine-year-old girls. See the girl above – does she looked thrilled with the notion of having that old man shag her?

    “Girls have been known to be mature as early as 9 years of age and when they consumate at this age it does not mean that the husbands are raping them.”

    [b]Please stop trumpeting pedophilia on my site. You will be banned.[/b]

    “And finally, Muslims believe Mohammed (PBUH) is the prophet of God, in other words he is the messenger of God and as mentioned in my earlier post he has, therefore, no authority to speak on behalf of God without God expressly requesting him to do so.”

    Sorry, but I and some 5 billion people on planet Earth do not accept Mohammed as “the prophet of God,” so you will need to adjust your thinking in order to include our opinions. Otherwise, you are simply a member of the “Muslims v. dirty infidels” cult.

    “So leave Mohammed alone. He is innocent.”

    Right – you know that how? Are you God? You are simply believing what you others have told you and what you want.

    Mohammed has inspired foaming-at-the-mouth fanatics to slaughter and rape, murdering some 270 million people worldwide. He is hardly “innocent.” And, in case you haven’t noticed, there is no way I accept that he was “only acting under God’s orders.” Practically every tyrant in history has said the same thing.

    Debating with me is utterly useless, as I can see with my own two eyes what horrors constitute Mohammed’s legacy. But I would ask you the same thing I’ve asked other Muslim fanatics – why do you follow this cult? Is it because it was forced violently upon your ancestors, as it has been countless times for the past 1,400 years? You can free yourself, as many have done.

    In the meanwhile, please join your Muslim apologist friend over at Faith Freedom, where there are many people who would love to discuss these subjects with you.

    Faith Freedom ([url]http://www.faithfreedom.org/[/url])

    Another great place for you to hawk your wears would be at Jihad Watch ([url]http://www.jihadwatch.org/[/url]), where Robert Spencer is far more knowledgeable about Islam than I am – and likely than you are as well. Please proceed there for further edification.

  16. “Your conceits shows through your writings.”

    Back at you. You can’t overturn the [b]FACTS [/b]I present, you dismiss them as “conceits.”

    “Mohammed (pbuh) is history and was a very influential and powerful figure without the pomp and show of your Pope. He had no need for such pomp and show to impress his people. He was NOT false.”

    “My pope?” You know nothing about me – are you getting these canned answers from the Musbot School of Apologetics? I have nothing to do with the pope. First you insinuate I’m a Catholic, then you call me an “atheist,” whereas I never call myself that. That’s Islam – very accurate, friendly and polite!

    “No pomp” Mohammed only needed hordes of violent killers to spread his word, leaving a path of some 270 million people murdered. Gee, that’s something to be proud of!

    “the LIGHT of Islam?” You are brainwashed. See this site:

    The Religion of Peace ([url]http://thereligionofpeace.com/[/url])

    If THAT is light, there’s no such thing as darkness.

    “Were it not these desert tribes that gave you Algebra and Trignometry, mathematics that made it possible to land you on the Moon?”

    This Muslim apology has been addressed many times.

    Fjordman: A History of Algebra ([url]http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/a-history-of-algebra.html[/url])

    “And for your KNOWLEDGE, “ALL KNOWING”, the ARAB MUSLIMS never invaded INDIA.”

    I have never said that ARABS invaded India, so that’s a straw man used to insult me. ISLAM IS AN ARAB CULT, however – do you not know that fact? The cult of death spread eastward, sweeping over non-Arab peoples and enslaving them. It was these non-Arab MUSLIMS who invaded India.

    Will Durant? You mean the historian who outlines how MUSLIMS invaded India and tortured and slaughtered them?

    Moslem Conquest of India ([url]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1078381/posts[/url])

    “But if you want to hear it from an Indian then I would recommend Jawaharlal Nehru and Swami Vivekananda two of India’s well known sons who had studied Indian history thoroughly and written it without any bias.”

    That’s pretty funny, since I know some Indians whose families were decimated by MUSLIMS. One of these Indians personally witnessed people being MURDERED by MUSLIMS. Shall I ask him for his opinion?

    Again, feel free to go debate at Faith Freedom ([url]http://www.faithfreedom.org/[/url]), where there will be plenty of people to insult and badger.

    But thanks for the example of what non-Muslims are up against.

  17. Yes, it’s amazing how they continually deny the passages about Mohammed having sex with a nine-year-old girl – and then justify this pedophilia!

    Cutting off hands? You mean like this example of the lovely Islamic/sharia law?

    [b]The Light of Islam[/b]

    [img]http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/handcut0.jpg[/img]

    I suppose we will now have our ears talked off about how this atrocity is justifiable – with the usual fingerpointing elsewhere.

  18. Edathodu Ashraf Koya

    During the time of Prophet Muhammed (PBUH)
    there were more Jews and Christians than Muslims as Islam was a new religion beginning to take root. Jews and Christians were alarmed with the fast spread of Islam eroding their numbers. Now if as you, Acharya, claim that prophet Muhammed was an exception among the scociety he lived in for marrying a young girl, how come his enemies the fundamentalist Jews and Christians never accused the prophet for his conduct??

    This acccusation is of very recent origiin by the Jews and Christians to malign the fair name of the prophet of Islam.

    So Acharya please don’t suppress the FACT that it was the custom of the society during the prophet’s period to marry young girls. This was quite quite normal for all, Jews, Christians, and Pagans alike. Mohammed was 40 years of age when the Koran was revealed and all Muslims were converts from these religions. The religions from which these converts came did not proscribe child marriage. And the Koran has specifically mentioned that the scriptures of the Jews and Christians were revealed by the same and one God, Allah and should be respected by the new converts to Islam. And if God did not think it ncessary to proscribe child marriage as unhealthy for the girl in those scriptures then what right has Mohammed to proscribe it in a hadith as morally wrong? None being the messenger of God.

    So Acharya and all you Jews and Christians please dont try to malign the prophet unjustly and Islam through this suppression of FACT.

    1. First you claim that the story about Mohammed having sex with a nine year old is of “very recent origin” spread by Jews and Christians.

      Are these hadiths of “very recent origin,” written by Jews and Christians?

      [quote]Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:

      ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

      Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64

      Narrated ‘Aisha:
      that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

      Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65

      Narrated ‘Aisha:
      that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)’

      Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88

      Narrated ‘Ursa:
      The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).[/quote]
      Next you claim that, regardless of your previous remark, marrying young girls was a custom back then, so why pick on Mohammed about it?

      I am aware of this morally reprehensible fact of millions of adult males in that particular part of the world having no conscience and “marrying” – i.e., raping – young girls. If Mohammed had really been in communication with [i]the [/i]God of the cosmos, perhaps that god could have told him it was wrong to do so?

      Instead, we find one hadith after another bragging about how Mohammed had sex with a nine year old.

      No one needs to malign Mohammed through suppression of facts – the facts speak for themselves. By ignoring these hadiths and attempting to foist the blame for this story on “Jews and Christians,” it is you who are suppressing facts.

      I understand that you have been conditioned to believe that this desert brigand is the “holy prophet,” but you must understand that over 5 BILLION people worldwide absolutely do NOT believe that Mohammed was anything of the kind. In fact, many of these billions see him as a ruthless and murderous child rapist. As far as these billions are concerned, the very notion of such a character being a “prophet of God” is an insult to God.

      The Prophet of Doom ([url]http://prophetofdoom.net/[/url])

      1. Edathodu Ashraf Koya

        ‘”First you claim that the story about Mohammed having sex with a nine year old is of “very recent origin” spread by Jews and Christians.”

        Why do you always say having sex to denigrate marriage? How would you like somebody always say that your father had sex with some girl ( not mentioning that that girl was your mother).? This is very offensive and not polite at all!!!

        You are still twisting what I am trying to say. Hadiths are what the prophet siad and not what others say. If at all Aysha said that she was married at the age of six (Muslims don’t believe the “hadith” you are quoting is translated correctly) it should show that marriage at that age was very prevalent among the Hebrews, Arab Christians and Pagans. There was nothing immoral about it relatively speaking. It was like Adam and Eve having no shame in the Graden of Eden when they walked naked.

        “I am aware of this morally reprehensible fact of millions of adult males in that particular part of the world having no conscience and “marrying” – i.e., raping – young girls. If Mohammed had really been in communication with the God of the cosmos, perhaps that god could have told him it was wrong to do so?”

        Why do you only include Arabs and Hebrews for resorting to child marriages as if the other parts of the world did not have this practice? Was not Mahatma Gandhi that we all admire married to a child? So too your ancestors, if you are European, had the custom of child marriages I believe.

        And what is this raping of young girls you say? Girls have been known to be mature as early as 9 years of age and when they consumate at this age it does not mean that the husbands are raping them.

        And finally, Muslims believe Mohammed (PBUH) is the prophet of God, in other words he is the messenger of God and as mentioned in my earlier post he has, therefore, no authority to speak on behalf of God without God expressly requesting him to do so. The prophet honestly believed he was the messenger of God. As such there was no reason for him to proscribe child marriages that God had not proscribed. And why should the idea of proscribing child marriage come into his head if God had not spoken to him about it or the girls and every other single human being did not see it as immoral???

        Was Mohammad wiser than God himself? No, Mohammed did not believe so. Therefore, if child marriages needed to be proscribed in Mohammed’s time, Mohammed would surely have received that revelation from God. So Mohammed should not be blamed for believing in God to be wiser than him, for believing God to be the ALL KNOWING. So leave Mohammed alone. He is innocent.

  19. prophet mohammed wife ayesha.
    well done ashraf koya,my sentiments exactly!!
    what acharya is doing is to twist islamic history(plain for all to see unlike the vaticans or jews) and take issues out of context to malign us and islam besides the prophet mohammed. i have offered this propagandist and muslim basher a forum anywhere in the world to reveal openly her theological accusations with our learned men and women and she has refused.
    besides her and other people who wish to accuse falsely of child rapes or paedophilia please answer me these questions

    are we really that stupid looking to you we do not know right or wrong?

    why did the muslims not hide this information in history books if it was a evil thing or shameful to them?

    were the prophets contemporaries foolish and stupid too?

    can acharya or anyone name 1 person who deserted islam after the prophets marriage to ayesha?

    can 1.5 billion people be wrong and acharya is right today, and all those in history were also wrong? including the pagans around at that time besides christians and jews?

    why do you not mention that the prophet was 25 when he first married khadija who was his elder by 15 years and stayed married till she died and he was 50 years old, after 2 years he was married to a 80 year old widow who had no one to care for her, was that lust on his part or compassion?

    he married 10 other elderly ladies to care for them and look after them and to enjoin peace and security between tribes instead of hate and enmity with fratricidal wars benefiting no one?
    was that evil acts on his part?

    he himself stated he was shown ayesha as his wife in a dream which Allah fulfilled if it was true, and it came to pass!

    how can 1 man go against his whole nation with new laws,rules, who moved them to throw off false worship of idols and worship the true god as one! and then these followers did not know he was a pervert as you state?

    these same contemporaries are the same who stated clearly to him that he has never lied in 40 years living with them or harmed anyone or cheated anyone or killed anyone and everything he said to them always came to pass as truth! and yet you acharya say that he was a bad man?

    please provide one shred of evidence from his time period that he acted unreasonably against humanity, against women, against welfare for animals or unbelievers or was unjust in any way to anyone or to show his followers were all mad men,brainless and that they did not know right or wrong, but you in the 21st century do acharya!

    do not judge with your eurocentric false ideas, every culture has its own values they follow even today in the world. so show us the values of the culture in his time and how the prophet broke them against all his followers and community if you are able to do so!

    finally it seems its your mission in life to denigrate islam for those you work for because we muslims are the proverbial devil to you while your western peoples actions speak for themselves from history prior to islam too? please do me a favour and help the 10 million plus females the chinese murder every year when born or the 1 million killed by hindus and sikhs as they do not want female children plus the millions you westerners kill by abortion due to your lusts and devilish Inclination!
    i suppose you will say the devil(sorry the muslim made them do it)?

    the truth is different to what acharya stands for, and i do not practice taqqiya (lying for anyones sake) LAMARTINE was a french
    scholar who studied the life of mohammed closely and in his book HERO,s and Hero worship, he stated that according to him the greatest human benefactor that ever lived was the prophet of islam who will exercise greatest influence on humanity till the end of time!

    lastly, wa as muslims say clearly that you can believe what you wish, to your way and to us ours as enshrined in the koran in surah(chapter Kaffiruun) peace to you all!

    1. “well done ashraf koya,my sentiments exactly!!”

      Yes, well done in deflecting off the facts in a typical taqiyya move!

      So you are just going to continue to rant nonsense and falsehoods, while ignoring the fact that I have repeatedly presented to you the evidence that Mohammed had sex with a nine year old girl.

      What else is new from Muslim apologists.

      Here it is again, but you will continue to ignore it, while telling lies about me. That’s another typical Muslim tactic that many people are familiar with.

      Your behavior – your willful ignorance of the evidence and deflection off the topic by insulting and attacking me – will only harm whatever “good will” you could possibly hope to win for your cult.

      [quote]Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:

      ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

      Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64

      Narrated ‘Aisha:
      that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

      Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65

      Narrated ‘Aisha:
      that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)’

      Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88

      Narrated ‘Ursa:
      The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).[/quote]
      And who are all these “yous” that you continue to generalization with your anti-infidel hate speech?

      But thank you for providing a perfect example of what we in the sane, civilized world are up against: Irrational and nonsensical fanatics who will do anything, including lie, slander, smear and kill in order to further their dementia.

      Regardless of whether or not Mohammed had sex with a nine year old, his legacy in creating the ranting Islamic fanatics is enough to condemn him.

  20. acharya bring us your proof that he had sex with ayesha when she was 9!
    was you there?

    the translation into english says consummated, in arabic that could mean going to her husbands house only and not doing sex as i earlier wrote until AFTER THE AGE OF PUBERTY when it happened and she was a woman not a child or girl!

    ALSO BRING US YOUR PROOF THAT AYESHA HERSELF COMPLAINED SHE WAS RAPED,SEXUALLY ABUSED, OR WORSE THAT SHE WAS A VICTIM OF A PAEDOPHILE !

    as i told you denigraters before, paedophillia is a secret act like your priests, rabbi,s and western perverts do in the world quite commonly, how does that label fit the prophet when he MARRIED OPENLY and NO ONE COMPLAINED and he broke no known laws!
    if he was a paedophile he would have insisted on sex with her when she was 6 and we know it never happened!

    can acharya tell us when ayesha was born and her date of birth?

    will she agree that spain is a so called civilized society and argentina, yet in spain marriage can be performed at 13 by a girl and 12 in argentina? and in other places of the world it is when girls reach puberty. please look in youtube for marriages of girls and age groupings in the world.

    will she also agree that life expectancy and fertility of women was less then today? and generally women married earlier?

    will she also agree that arabia did not follow eurocentric views and opinions like the rest of the world at that time? as i understand your forefathers were in very dark ages at that time until islam came to civilize you through knowledge from spain?

    1. “acharya bring us your proof that he had sex with ayesha when she was 9! was you there”.

      Ok. Where is your proof that anything in that stupid, hateful book is true? Were you there? Of course no one then complained about this dirty old man raping that child. How many people did he personally murder with his own hands? They were probably as backward as him too.

      And you have a point. The fact that no one under his power in that barbaric time and place complained proves plenty. It proves that the morals and standards of behavior of the people that wrote that book are hopelessly backward and barbaric.

      Unlike you, we don’t accept the ways and ideas of violent, superstitious 6th century desert pirates. Believe it or not, folks have learned a thing or two since then (some of us).

      You’re seriously defending a man who raped a 9 year old child, murdered hundreds with his own hands and had thousands more killed (and bragged about it), advocated the abuse and enslavement of women, and too much else to mention. What does that say about you? You defend this? These things are not acceptable and will not be tolerated in any civilized nation.
      ]
      We don’t sew up female baby’s genitals. We don’t beat and enslave our women and force them to wear tents. We don’t arrest and punish women for being raped. We don’t defend homicidal child rapists. We don’t threaten and murder people for speaking their mind.

      Again I say it, if Muslims hate Western civilization so much they need to stop flocking into our nations from the barbaric 3rd world hellholes their religion created, taking taxpayer handouts, enjoying the living conditions our freedom and industry create, and then having tantrums when WE don’t assimilate to THEIR ways. Keep that stuff in Crapistan if you don’t like having your superstitions and sacred cows called out for what they are.

      1. Sorry. I’m the “Anonymous” in the above post. Forgot to sign my post.

  21. Oh brother. All of these ranting Muslim apologetics have been addressed elsewhere, such as here.

    Answering Islam ([url]http://www.answering-islam.org/[/url])

    And here’s one that isn’t Christian:

    Faith Freedom International ([url]http://www.faithfreedom.org/[/url])

    Please feel free to go there to straighten out all those infidels who are besmirching the good name of Islam – as if it needs any help from the outside world.

    You will do particularly well at FFI in the forums there, with numerous ex-Muslims who know that what you are saying is false.

    I have nothing to do with the priesthood and have in fact been critical of it, so your “you this and that” generalizations are sheerly a reflection of your poor communication skills, as well as your obvious Muslim apologist training in pointing fingers elsewhere, using the “tu quoque” fallacy.

    Instead of ranting like a robot, why do you not ask yourself WHY you are conditioned by this cult? How many of your ancestors were slaughtered and/or raped by Arab Muslim invaders who forced them to become Islamic? Why are you defending this desert warrior cult in the first place?

    If you had been born in a Buddhist country, you would be a Buddhist. Your conditioning is a result of where you were born, period. The rest is pure megalomania.

    Please stop wasting my time here. If you want to convince anyone of your cultic brainwashing, do try the FFI forums.

    1. Edathodu Ashraf Koya

      ‘”You will do particularly well at FFI in the forums there, with numerous ex-Muslims who know that what you are saying is false.

      Instead of ranting like a robot, why do you not ask yourself WHY you are conditioned by this cult? How many of your ancestors were slaughtered and/or raped by Arab Muslim invaders who forced them to become Islamic? Why are you defending this desert warrior cult in the first place?”

      Ummm…. On what basis do you say something is false? Is S. Acharya the ALL KNOWING?. Your conceits shows through your writings.

      Mohammed (pbuh) is history and was a very influential and powerful figure without the pomp and show of your Pope. He had no need for such pomp and show to impress his people. He was NOT false.

      And what is wrong in defending the desert warrior cult when there was a need to conquer countries to spread the LIGHT of Islam? Were it not these desert tribes that gave you Algebra and Trignometry, mathematics that made it possible to land you on the Moon?

      And for your KNOWLEDGE, “ALL KNOWING”, the ARAB MUSLIMS never invaded INDIA. So you are the one who really rants here. Go to school again and get your history right, don’t get it from any fundamentalist Hindu, Jew or Christian historian. Instead read history written by well known hisotrians like Arnold Toynbee (an atheist like you), Will Durant, etc. They will tell you who the real tribes were who invaded India.

      But if you want to hear it from an Indian then I would recommend Jawaharlal Nehru and Swami Vivekananda two of India’s well known sons who had studied Indian history thoroughly and written it without any bias.

      1. I think if you really know anything the Egyptians, Greeks and the Chinese as well as the Indians got there a lot sooner than the Muslim scholars I will admit they did contribute. The Egyptians could not have built the pyramids without pi.

        So stop your bellyaching you may have contributed back in the twelfth century but what have you done since hey? nothing except twist the religion into a cult and that is all it is.

  22. 👿 I can’t believe all this rubbish about the prophet and his liasions. Guess what they are still doing it, marrying children stoning women cutting off hands and suppression of all human rights. Their bodies are in the 21st century but thousands of years of smoking hashish has kept them in the 7th century the men that is.
    It’s a plagerised religion made up to suit a few and they’re :Pirate: doing very well out of it thank you very much. Women make up 50% of the population when they wake up watch out.

    1. Do men like women for their looks or because of their education and status. Do women like men for their money or their personality?
      Do men take child brides because they are perverts or because of their religion?
      This is why I have trouble with Achyra’s logic. It picks out a possible cause as either the main cause or the primary cause for something.

  23. Edathodu Ashraf Koya

    The Light of Jusdaism, Christianity and Hinduism

    Acharya, [invective edited], you started this. So let me search the internet for what your tribes are currently doing under the name of religion and race to the poor Muslims of Afghanistan, Palestine, Iraq, the children of your own tribe in East Europe…… what you did to poor pagans of N. and S.America, the aborigines of Autralia, the blacks in the US…. what the Hindus do to the untouchables of India and Nepal etc. etc.

    1. You just couldn’t resist calling me an epithet, could you? Because Islam has dehumanized you to look at others as “infidels” and “Islamophobes.” You can’t see me as a human being who objects to all the cruelty and brutality of Islam, as well as the “tribes” and religions you are mentioning.

      I have nothing to do with any of those “tribes,” but you erroneously must continue to defend the hideousness of Islam by using the fallacy of “tu quoque,” which means “you too!” This fallacy is a favorite apologist tactic of deflecting guilt off their own cult – whatever the cult.

      You can bring up all the atrocities you can find, and I will condemn them, regardless of what cult, ethnicity and so on. But you, on the other hand, cannot condemn the atrocities of Islam – and there are so many it is impossible to list.

      If you would like to get along with other human beings on this planet – some 5 billion of them in fact – you are going to get used to having the atrocities of the cult you follow exposed and criticized, because we actually have a conscience and are not so robotic as to mindlessly follow something so abhorrent.

      You can join the human race and throw off the bonds of your cult indoctrination. Try going to Faith Freedom ([url]http://faithfreedom.org[/url]) – by the way, again, that is the place for you to debate. I will not be debating you here further, and your insulting and hostile personal attacks will not be put through here.

      And no, I did not “start it.” You did. I am criticizing the pathology of a cult that has caused brutality, hatred and violence worldwide. You on the other hand have taken my criticisms personally – as if you are the cult – and have been hostile and insulting. I did not even know who you are, yet you came in here and started slinging around anger and insults. As long as you refuse to acknowledge the pathology and atrocity of your religion, you will not be welcome here.

      That’s the whole problem with the cultic mentality – it does not see “human being.” It sees “other,” and it feels that it can then abuse the other.

      Again, you can free yourself from this human-hating cult, as many others have and will continue to do. You will find then that you can get along with the other billions of members of humanity who do not hold cultic views that cause them to hate other human beings.

      In this way, you could actually be friends with people like me. How’s that for a novel idea? How about not letting your infidel-hating cultic programming prevent you from being friends with decent, honest and loving human beings?

      And by the way, what are you doing in here communicating with a strange woman who is not a relative? You are obviously against Islam, you Islamophobe.

      See how that works?

      If you are a Muslim, that means you are not a Christian. Hence, you are a Christianophobe.

      If you are a Muslim, you are not a Jew. Hence, you are an “anti-
      Semite.”

      You are also an Buddhaphobe, a Hinduphobe and a phobe of every other religion on the planet. That’s a lot of phobias!

      Let us not forget the purpose of this post, which is to support a Muslim who truthfully and honestly acknowledges the human-hating atrocities of Islamic history. For his honesty, I can say I love him.

      How utterly unusual and refreshing.

      1. Edathodu Ashraf Koya

        “You just couldn’t resist calling me an epithet, could you? Because Islam has dehumanized you to look at others as “infidels” and “Islamophobes.” You can’t see me as a human being who objects to all the cruelty and brutality of Islam, as well as the “tribes” and religions you are mentioning”

        Calling a person who bashes Islam and Muslims an “Islamophobe”, the only ‘invective’ I used and which you cleverly editied it out being your own site, is not nothing new. You cleverly added the word “infidels” as well to misrepresent to the readers here that I used this word as well in the edited out ‘ínvective’. Devious!!.

        The MSM which proclaims to be very careful to be politically correct in using words writes of such “Islamophoes” all the time. If they can catregorize people as Islamophobes why point a finger at me alone? Why dont you write to all the major magazines and newspapers of your “sane, civilized world” that the journalists (Christians and Jews) ARE dehumanised by their religions to call people “Islamophobes” ??

  24. “Islamophobe” epithet
    By the way, calling someone an “Islamophobe” who objects to the [b]atrocities, violence and hatred of Islam[/b] is a very dishonest thing to do – but I know that this sort of despicable behavior is very effective, as the Islamist cultic mindset has abused practically the entire continent of Europe into submitting to its goal of domination in this same manner, by calling objectors to this enslavement “Islamophobes.”

    “Islamophobe” means “one who [i]fears [/i]Islam.” I obviously do not “fear” Islam, insofar as I am too [i]terrorized [/i]to speak out against it – as are so many millions. I do fear it in that I don’t want to be enslaved by it and be turned into a female punching bag and babymaking machine. Nor do I want my progeny to be under its misogynistic, human-hating yoke, as has happened to entire nations.

    However, if I were really “afraid,” I would not be risking the wrath of angry, hostile and potentially violent followers of the “religion of peace” – who just can’t stand the slightest criticism for the even the most atrocious and despicable criminal behavior – by exposing this pathology.

    So, your invective – [b]your dehumanization of me[/b] – will not work. I know it does all over the world, turning “dirty infidels” into dogs with their tails between their legs. And that’s the whole point of Islamist terrorism, isn’t it? That’s what has been used for centuries to terrorize hundreds of millions of people into the cultic mindset.

    It’s time for this violent, human-hating brainwashing to end.

    By the way, while the cult mind may call people “Islamophobes” who resist being BORGed by Islam, we in return may call such individuals “human-haters.”

    Again, here is an invitation to join the human race and stop letting your cultic brainwashing cause you to hate other human beings because they are not – and never will be – part of your cult.

    You [i]can [/i]free yourself, like so many others, including Dr. Wafa Sultan, Dr. Ali Sina, Nonie Darwish, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Amil Imani have done.

    Former Muslims United ([url]http://formermuslimsunited.americancommunityexchange.org/[/url])

  25. slandering the prophet
    acharya reading your rants about muslims being money grabbers and welfare is totally nothing to do with the subject, did you have any problems with rabbi dov zackheim stealing 3.2 trillion dollars from the americans taxpayers? or bernie madoff 50 billion, or citi banks head another jew 120 billion,plus others? get your facts right , at least find out who is fu**ing you and its not muslims!
    we were more then happy to stay in our countrys until your bloodthirsty westerners who murdered,killed,butchered by the millions people of all races in the world landed on our heads and took us as slaves to all parts of the world as the american negroes are a testimony to that!

    acharya can never be as vicious and knowledgeable as the infidels of the prophets time or as important as the emperor of rome heraclius–do you agree acharya?

    whe the prophet mohammeds letter reached him after his victory over the persians in jerusalem to embrace islam, he asked his ministers to bring him a person who was OPPOSED to the prophet who he wanted to question personally, ABU SUFYAN the chief of mecca was in jerusalem at that time and he was brought to the emperor of romes court where he was questioned at length about the prophet, the questions he asked are listed as follows with answers provided by abu sufyan
    1: has the prophet mohammed ever lied — he was told no!
    2: do rich or poor people follow him?– he was told the poor!
    3:are his followers increasing or decreasing?– he was told increasing!
    4:did anyone discard his faith after accepting it?– he was told no!
    5:what does he command you to do?- he was told that he forbids us to worship idols or men and to worship the one true god, creator of all!
    6: has anyone of his family were kings before him:– he was told no!
    7: what is lineage? — he was told his family is the most noble called the quraish!

    after listening to the answers heraclius the emperor of rome stated to the court that true prophets never lie, poor initially follow them as with all earlier prophets, they familys are the most noble, and they followers increase due to the true faith no one leaves which is also a sign of pure faith. if his family had been kings before him i would have thought that he wanted his crown back but this is not true, as he forbids you to worship idols he is a true messenger of god who if he was here i would wash his feet with my own hands!

    he then said to abu sufyan that he knew a prophet was to be born but he never thought he would come to the arabs. he asked his court to believe in him and show allegiance to him upon which they all trooped out of the court and he asked them to come back with a promise that he would not follow his religion but will honour him.
    but he did remark that this a true messenger of god and one day he will rule the ground from under his feet which came to pass as you all know!

    abu sufyan at that time was kaffir like acharya, but the chief of the kaffirs who were against mohammed in mecca and arabia, after this event he remarked that when he was asked these questions by the emperor he wanted to lie but could not because he could not find anything to accuse him of in wrongdoing!!!!!

    is that not amazing! the most anti mohammed person at that time could not fault the prophet mohammed in front of the emperor of rome and yet we are told by acharya that she is right about him and not abu sufyan who was there with the prophet and was a witness to his deeds in all things and he could not see the marriage of ayesha to him was a dastardly act according to her which he never exploited in front of anyone including the emperor of rome heraclius!!

    who are we to believe? acharya or abu sufyan and the emperor of rome both pagans at that time of this questioning?

    abu sufyan used to say after he accepted islam that when he was questioned he wanted to lie untruths like acharya about the prophet but he could not , otherwise he would have been known in history as abu sufyan the liar instead of the chief of mecca, no doubt acharya will say that a secret invisible muslim was holding an invisible knife to his throat while he was answering these questions to heraclius.

    if these people could not find anything to create aspersions on prophet mohammed acharya i feel that you are also pissing against the wind!
    nowhere in history has muslims killed 270 million humans, prove it!
    unlike your races and religions we are the most peaceful people on earth, after all we did not invade iraq based on lies or afghanistan or other places in the world , its always you from the west!

    1. Wow, Achyra! You managed to stir up a hornets’ nest with these Muzzie nutters!

      I’ve never seen so many lies on one place before. I see your point that they just can’t help but rant on like mad hatters, insulting you in every other sentence.

      And your right–this is what we’re up against! Sheer insanity.

  26. Amusing
    The writer of this article is a very amusing individual to say the least. The writer is actually in the mindset of Zionist Christians from the 40’s who would burn crosses on Black peoples lawns in order to show them the love of Christ.

    The writer of the article first insults and dehumanizes Dr. Zudhi Jasser, as required by the writer to feel good about writing, then proceedes to accept Dr. Zudhi Jasser. As if Dr. Zudhi Jasser really cares who the writer is.

    What this shows is that the writers mind suffers from a severe extremism in self importance a hightened narcissism at minimum. The writer feels very justified in belittle a person the writer can never equal in thought then turns around and says he/she has accepted and aligned him/herself with the very individual they look down upon.

    I happened upon this site from a link on rense.com. Jeff Rense is a holocaust denier and he finds common ground with Acharya S.

    And in tradition of Free Thought my post will be moderated and require authorization by the writer of Free Thought Nation.

  27. After the Christian and Mongolian horders pillaged the Islamic World there was too little to build on what was left. It was just like what the Christian hordes are currently doing with their brutal wars based on lies in the Muslim countries under anotheri lie of “promoting democracy. A great Iraqi nation has been ripped apart and bombed to submission and with covert operations they have manged to sow seeds of hatred between one Muslim sect with another where there was NONE before the invasions.

  28. become like hirse ali, wafaa sultaan??
    acharya you are losing the plot, go and see a good psychiatrist for your anti muslim hating ideology. those people you mentioned we should become like are liars as proven in papers and by their own admissions. they told false storys so that muslim hating perverts like you will give them a visa to stay in the west!

    hirse ali became liberated by showing off her breasts and posing nude in a magazine which to you is the epitome of human behaviour?

    was that not female exploitation, was that it? thats the best in life she can do by becoming a photo prostitute and writing diatribes against us falsely like you so that sympathy can be generated for yourselves by western perverts whom even their own religions condemn!

    why do you not do your self a favour, stand in a street and accost all muslim females that they are oppressed and you want to free them, please let me know what happens, ok?

    last time somebody said this to me was a christian woman who had been doing sex with another christian outside of marriage and was duly dumped by him when she became pregnant, she had a 4 year old child and was working night and day for her upbringing while the christian man had gone to sow his wild oats elsewhere without any sense of responsibility to this woman or the child, i also asked her to stop any muslim woman in the street and free her from the bondage she feels she is in, without doubt she was terrified because she did not know what would happen.
    i told her she has made a statement so carry it out and ask these women by the million to be freed by her and run around with illigimate children with who ever and whenever like your race promotes against every decent faith on earth!

    no jew,christian,hindu,sikh,or buddhist accepts your philosophy acharya, so please lay of the bullshit and talk some sense , so answer my questions not your usual diatribe. were you sexually molested as a child?
    i ask you this because the prophet mohammed stated that whoever judges him is that kind of person himself!

    also please publish All my posts as it is a freethought site is it not? not just those you wish to defame us on!

    1. Is this guy admitting that MuhamMAD is a pedophile?

      “were you sexually molested as a child?
      i ask you this because the prophet mohammed stated that whoever judges him is that kind of person himself!”

      PSYCHO!!!!

      Achaya, please don’t dignifiy this deranged guy’s horrible posts. he just goes to show us the truly ugly face of islam.

  29. “Islalaphobe”? This is hilarious. More like slavery-phobe or murder-phobe. Islam, by far the most conservative, right-wing, oppressive, violent, intolerant culture in the world, is posturing as yet another oppressed minority group and stooping to the tactics of the PC identity politics left (all the groups and causes they oppress and murder in their own nations). Hilarious! Gay rights activists, feminists…Muslims.

    What a spectacle! Mabe NAMBLA will embrace Islam since “god’s perfect man” was a child rapist. They can have parades in San Francisco together.

    Islamaphobe=anyone who has a problem with Islam’s oppressiveness and murder. Is being anti-enslavement un-PC now? You can’t threaten out of one side of your mouth and then pose as an oppressed victim and still be taken seriously.

    Does anyone doubt what would happen to any of us here opposing Islam if we were in any muslim country? Don’t muslims murderer people like us in the streets for saying these things? Don’t muslims brag about what they’re gonna do to Geert Wilders, Ayyan Hirsi Ali, and others while quoting the koran?

    This kinda’ justifies Westerners opposing this death cult on their own soil, doesn’t it? Muslims regularly go out and prove the points of the people who speak against them by trying to murder them. Kinda’ makes it clear for the rest of us.

    Muslims who don’t want to see the hateful brutality and backwardness of Islam opposed need to stay in the lands they already oppress, or else grow up and join civilization. Like Jack Nicholson said, “Sell crazy someplace else, we’re all stocked up here.”

  30. Islam and abubaqar’s Comments
    ANYONE who tries to justify marrying a 6 or 9 year old girl is a fanatical fool. Islam is a fanatical religion. As I posted earlier, Religion is the Opiate of the Masses, and is used to control people. It seems the more ignorant the person, the easier they are controlled. This is the reason we had a revolution in America…to despose of autocratic controls and to enjoy “freedoms”.

    Your Islamic Muslim religion dictates that all “Infidels” should be killed. That would represent anyone, in your religion’s beliefs, that is not a Muslim. You think if you kill the infidels you will have 76 Virgins waiting for you in heaven. You think it is ok to have multiple wives, marry children, and treat your women worse than animals by mutilating them if they even partially think for themselves. You are what one would term an Infidel…NO…just a stupid person that is not even partially evolved yet.

    Religions like yours need to die. In Texas we kind of leave others alone if they leave us alone. However, if someone says they are going to kill me for my beliefs, I have enough Alamo blood in me to say that we ought to get it over with and Nuke your ass and your religion out of existence to where the only reminder of it would be an orange glow for the next 20,000 years. The only way to deal with people that want to exterminate you is to exterminate them first. “Remember the Alamo”…A Mexican thug named Santa Anna learned the hard way at a place called San Jacinto…”Not to tread on me.” Keep your religious crap to yourself and just let everyone be, or you, along with your religion will also learn the hard way one day that evil does not prevail. Nor will it ever!

  31. nuking muslims?????
    arcturian, technology is not a closed shop, we muslims now also have the atom bomb!
    even though we tried to stay out of the race for human welfare, every nation had the bomb before we muslims did, like the jews,hindus,christians,communists and atheists— we were the only ones saying this is not good for mankind trying to keep the peace!

    the hindus showed us peaceful intent by exploding an atom bomb on pakistans borders in 1971 then invading east pakistan, the jews threatened muslim nations more then once with it plus christians and communists. wait till all muslim nations are armed by pakistan, then perhaps we would like to see you warmongers coming over and invading our countrys for oil or other resources on wars based on lies and killing millions of people unjustly!! perhaps we might also make your heads glow in texas as you put it, you threatened us we did not!
    coming to the point, tell us muslims here that the emperor of rome was wrong and that you are right, i have given you a point by point narrative of his questions and answers and yet like water on ducks back it means nothing to you??
    if as you say killing infidels is our main preoccupation as muslims, why are 2 million iraqis dead by you lot? and 5 million afghanis? plus millions in other countrys?
    why have 14 million arab christians still got their heads on they shoulders after 1400 plus years of muslim rule??? and the millions of jews who we give sanctuary to when you christians used to toast them every year in europe, was it 60 years ago you were shoving them into ovens in europe i remember?

    piss off mate, get your facts right then talk some sense to us
    instead of accusing us falsely!
    we do not shove our faith down your throat or anyone elses, your history proves the opposite, we like to discuss, share as reasonable people, whereas in your answers i can see unreasonable behaviour, verbal diatribes, unfounded accusations, false misrepresentation of facts and gross misleading information to ignoramuses like yourself!
    armchair experts with little knowledge but a big mouth, talk with some brains from your mouth to us not your posterior!!

  32. abubaqar, thanks for demonstrating to us all how evil Islam really is. Your utter hatred for women and infidels shows itself in every single post you make here.

    “piss off mate, get your facts right…we do not shove our faith down your throat or anyone elses, your history proves the opposite, we like to discuss, share as reasonable people, whereas in your answers i can see unreasonable behaviour, verbal diatribes, unfounded accusations, false misrepresentation of facts and gross misleading information to ignoramuses like yourself!
    armchair experts with little knowledge but a big mouth, talk with some brains from your mouth to us not your posterior!!”

    Islamic Crusades 5: Why did they hate us in 1783? ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUuH2G7dPFk&feature=channel_page[/url])

    [b]abubaqar, don’t blame the western world just because you were born to an uncircumcised mother.[/b]

    “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”

    — Omar M. Ahmad, founder of Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

    “This religion [Islam] will destroy all other religions through the Islamic Jihad fighters”

    — Jordanian/Palestinian School Book 1998

    1. This is a debate. So instead of quoting this and that person of no historical consequence answer his questions yourself directly. e.g. what have you to say for e.g. to the questions.

      “if as you say killing infidels is our main preoccupation as muslims, why are 2 million iraqis dead by you lot? and 5 million afghanis? plus millions in other countrys?
      why have 14 million arab christians still got their heads on they shoulders after 1400 plus years of muslim rule??? “

      While answering the above I would also like to put these questions to you;

      1. Why after centureis of Muslim rule in India with capital as Delhi and where the headquarters of the Muslim Army was located we find Delhi to have a majority of Hindus and not a minority like in Kashmir?

      2. It certainly was easier for the Muslims to have genocided the Hindus in Delhi as the European CHRISTIANS DID (WITH BIBLE AS GUIDANCE?) of the natives (non-Christians) in the whole of North America to make it a European White CHRISTIAN Country for you CHRISTIAN WHITE people to enjoy the lands PEACEFULLY, right or wrong??

  33. Ashraf “This is a debate. So instead of quoting this and that person of no historical consequence answer his questions yourself directly. e.g. what have you to say for e.g. to the questions.”

    Why the hell should she debate a fu**ing prick, Abubaqar, who came in here with all sorts of personal attacks, insults and lies? Like a typical Musbot, he has not apologized for lying about Acharya making up Mohammed’s pedophilia, which is right there in the texts. He has made repeated woman-hating comments, as well as trying to mindfuck Acharya with his disgusting personal attacks. The guy is vile, so nobody needs to answer his questions at all.

    That being said, nobody here is a “white European Christian,” so you’re just using your typical Musbot trash talk, finger pointing elsewhere. Acharya has repeatedly criticized Christianity’s violent past, but you don’t know anything about her work, so you just come in here spewing anti-European, racist garbage.

    Nobody here supports the Iraq war – and we sure didn’t need hordes of angry Iraqis fleeing into Western countries, where they’re doing the typical pushy Muslim thing.

    You guys are in the wrong forum – go to a Christian website and fight with them. Nobody here wants to fight with you – and that’s all you ever seem to want to do. It’s appears to be all you know. There’s never any acknowledgment of the atrocities and human rights abuses by Muslim maniacs. Always finger pointing elsewhere. We here are not responsible for the atrocities you mention – in fact, we protest them. So take your angry hate speech elsewhere.

    I must say, to be honest, I am so sick of all the hate and violence created by Muslims but, even more so, the damned political correctness that defends these barbarians and the 14,000+ terrorist attacks worldwide. [b]”GOING MUSLIM”[/b] seems to be just another day in Islamic life. Radical Muslims – just keep pushing and pushing because Americans have guns and have no problem using them. So, keep doing exactly what you’re doing – you’re just pissing off the world until they’ve had enough.

  34. Here are some links concerning violence induced personally by Mohammed. I suggest you take your fight over there.

    Muhammad, Islam and Terrorism ([url]http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/terrorism.htm[/url])
    The Prophet of Doom ([url]http://www.prophetofdoom.net/[/url])
    Understanding Muhammad ([url]http://www.faithfreedom.org/book.htm[/url])

    “I have been made victorious with terror.” — Mohammed, Bukhari: 4.52. 220.

    Here’s an assessment by Dr. Ali Sina from that last link that some readers of the comments here may find to be true:

    [quote]Muslims are intolerant, supremacist, bullies, and violent. They are highly inflammable and can explode if they are not treated preferentially and with respect. At the same time, they abuse others and violate the rights of people of other faiths. This is psychopathology.[/quote]
    [img]http://freethoughtnation.com/images/muslimrageboy.jpg[/img]

    1. “They are highly inflammable and can explode”…Yes. Literally.

    2. Here is a link that PROVES the majority Jews (including atheist Jews) are terrorists.
      http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24021.htm
      53% of Israeli Jews SUPPORT ETHNIC CLEANSING.
      It is not any wonder as the JEWS (excepting a few good souls like Gilad Atzmon et al) take to terrorism like ducks to water, if the characTer of Israel’s founding fathers are any indication. They were members of the feared TERRORIST gangs IRGUN and STERN.
      http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htm

      One (or was it two?) of the members of these TERRORIST gangs was voted to the highest office by the Jews. So do you still have doubts of the TERRORISM Judaism invokes in the followers of that religion/CULT?

  35. Jensen,
    All the time Muslims did this barbarity and Muslims did that barbarity is what you vomit out. And ending with your honesty that you are sick and tired of Muslims why suppress your honesty that you are glad of Christians because they killed/terrorized tens of times more than the Muslims did?

    As you have not mentioned that you are sick and tired of the Christian barbarians doing their killing with ILLEGAL wars (a million civilians have been killed so far in the recent illegal wars which killing by International Law is TERRORISM PURE AND SIMPLE) what should I make of you?

  36. going muslim?????
    johnson your language is vile and utterly garbage, get the fuck out of our lands, we do not need western shits as friends like you either!
    that rabid antimuslim woman acharya neeeds to rpove 1 killing done by the prophet mohammed in his lifetime anywhere! she quoted that he had killed thousands by his hands so it should not be a problem should it?
    how come we muslims are the troublemakers that you make us out to be and yet we are the ones invaded,killed,murdered,looted,robbed, by the millions around the world and still arseholes like you act as vestial virgins touched wrongly!
    you can shove your help to oppressed muslims up your rear, and as for your threats , you read one from your kind of perverted thinker who wanted to nuke muslims, so i am asking you—— do it !

    we muslims are not against you but reacting to your false lies about us and our prophet, personally i do not care a toss about you or what you believe or do, but i will challenge misfits like you branding us as terrorists and every crime committed in this day and age must be a islamic act not personal criminal act by an individual, even by these false standards of your judging we will win due to your peoples actions verifiably around the world!!

    as for achraya freeing our oppressed women, she should start in palestine currently subjugated by zionist jews, or in russia under communist jews, then in kashmir under hindu fascism from there afghanistan and iraq currently wherever your kind of tyrants are propping up dictators and warlords for whici innocent soldiers from america and britain are dying for no gain whatsoever!

    you can shove your help to oppressed muslims up your rear, and as for your threats , you read one from your kind of perverted thinker who wanted to nuke muslims, so i am asking you—— do it !

    so that you can get a fitting response i am sure in time from those who also weild power other then yourselves!
    can you johnson prove that paedophilia is an open and public act anywhere in the world which is a favourite pastime of your people???

    the koran warns us clearly” what they mouths utter is nothing compared to whats hidden in their hearts against you” and you lot prove as such daily in your words and deeds !

    here is a site you can learn from why whats happening in the world is related to your people and not muslims if you like to learn!

    posting of stories, commentaries, reports, documents and links (embedded or otherwise) on this site does not in any way, shape or form, implied or otherwise, necessarily express or suggest endorsement or support of any of such posted material or parts therein.
    Friday, November 20, 2009
    A BRITISH PLOT AGAINST PAKISTAN? BRITISH CHINOOKS TRANSPORT TERRORISTS?
    Spot the Brit. (www.rusi.org/…/commentary/ref:C4AB377DACA5CF/)

    According to the BBC, “on Christmas Day 2007, the Afghan government said it was expelling two high level diplomats, one a British UN political affairs expert, the other, an Irishman and the acting head of the European Union mission.” (BBC NEWS ‘Great Game’ or just misunderstanding?)

    According to the Independent: “Britain planned to build a Taliban training camp for 2,000 fighters in southern Afghanistan.” (Revealed: British plan to build training camp for Taliban fighters …)

    A post at this site Cached tells us of the British government link to the terror in Pakistan.

    In 2007 Pakistani Intelligence traced the source of much of terror in Pakistan to a ‘terrorist’ camp in Helmand province in Afghanistan.

    The camp was run by Michael Semple and Mervyn Patterson.

    Both of these British spooks were ostensibly working with humanitarian organizations.

    Following extraordinary intelligence work by ISI, Karzai of Afghanistan and high officials in the Musharraf government exchanged visits which eventually resulted in the arrest and expulsion of Patterson and Semple from Afghanistan.

    In December of 2007 Guardian and Independent published stories that were clearly designed to muddle the facts and divert attention away from the real story.

    The real story was that these training camps were to create the Pakistan Taliban or Tehreek-e Taliban-e Pakistan (TMP); but why?

    If the Taliban were to take over some areas in Pakistan and a part of the capital, then this would provide a sufficient basis for the US to bomb Pakistani nuclear installations and cease their nuclear weapons.

    There were serious war plans and military exercises conducted by US forces for this scenario.

    British India (www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/india/haxbrindia.html)

    On 19 October 2009, it was treported that the Pakistan Taliban (TTP) leaders were being evacuated by mysterious airlifts

    “Mysterious airlifting of some Taliban elements from areas of the Pakistan-Afghanistan border linking Waziristan have been reported by several sources and fears are growing that anti-Pakistan TTP terrorists are also being rescued by their “foreign allies” from across the border.

    “The unexplained movements of “un-marked” helicopters and aircraft have been reported since the last few days along the Pak-Afghan border and one source claimed that they were being transported to the Eastern Afghanistan.

    “Some experts believe that secret allies of the friendly-Talibans took the action in order to secure the militants from an assault in South Waziristan by Pakistani Armed Forces while others believe the secret evacuation was part of a larger deal between some Western States and “good Taliban.”

    “The airlifting and evacuation of TTP leaders from South Waziristan coincided with a report by foreign news media or a similar mysterious evacuation of “militants” from South Afghanistan to North Afghanistan.

    “An Iranian news site on October 18 reported that the “British Army has been relocating Taliban insurgents from southern Afghanistan to the north by providing transportation means.”

    “Quoting diplomats who spoke on condition of anonymity, the Iranian site claimed that insurgents are being airlifted from the southern province of Helmand to the north amid increasing violence in the northern parts of the country.

    “The PressTV.com also claimed that “the aircraft used for the transfer have been identified as British Chinook helicopters.”

    “The report suggested that the secret operation was being launched under the supervision of Afghan Interior Minister Mohammad Hanif Atmar, who “was still operating under the British guidance.”

    “Last week Afghanistan’s Pajhwok news agency reported that “US ambassador scotched speculation that his country was helping terrorists in the north, saying America had nothing to do with the air-dropping of armed men from helicopters in Samangan, Baghlan and Kunduz provinces.”

    “At an October 11 news conference in Kabul, President Hamid Karzai had himself claimed that “some unidentified helicopters dropped armed men in the northern provinces at night.”

    “According to a Pajhowk news report President Karzai revealed “the government had been receiving evidence of the air-dropping of gunmen from mysterious helicopters in the provinces over the last five months.”

    “A comprehensive investigation is underway to determine which country the helicopters belong to; why armed men are being infiltrated into the region; and whether increasing insecurity in the north is linked to it.” http://www.pakobserver.net/200910/19/news/topstories16.asp

    Mehsud, used by the CIA to get US troops into Pakistan?

    Baithullah Mehsud, a ‘deceased’ tribal leader in Pakistan, may have links to the CIA. (Winter Patriot: Is Pakistan’s “Public Enemy Number One” A CIA Asset ?. )

    Pakistani officials have complained that the US failed to hit Mehsud with drone attacks despite them having supplied co-ordinates three times. (BBC NEWS South Asia Profile: Baitullah Mehsud )

    CNN and other media sources reported the death of Baithullah Mehsud, on 30 September 2008.

    His death was reportedly due to kidney failure.[33] (Sources: Man blamed for Bhutto killing is dead – CNN.com)

    Mehsud of the CIA?

    The Daily Mail (UK) reported on 31 March 2009 that Mehsud is now promising an attack on Washington:

    The Taliban promises an attack on Washington that will ‘amaze’ the world …

    Mehsud, ‘the top Taliban commander in Pakistan’ has reportedly claimed responsibility for an attack on a police academy in Pakistan that left 18 dead.

    “And Baitullah Mehsud also promised an assault on Washington ‘soon’ – one he said will ‘amaze’ the world.”

    ‘Mastermind’ of Lahore massacre captured alive

    How the U.S. Funds the Taliban
    Posted by Anon at 5:52 PM 0 comments
    Labels: Afghanistan, Chinook, Mervyn Patterson, Michael Semple, Pakistan, Security Services, Taliban
    Holocaust
    Palestinian Holocaust Museum.

    “They are preparing for the one-state solution by using genocide and economic warfare to ensure that the Palestinians will be in the minority.” – The Jewish Final Solution

    Americans believe Palestinians are the illegal settlers in the West Bank – a confusion OK with US media

    Defense Min. turns blind eye as Israelis sell arms to enemies

    Sawasya: Israel uses Palestinian prisoners as guinea pigs to test drugs

    Dispatches – The Zionist Lobby – video can be seen here

    Palestinians under attack.

    ‘Children as young as five are staying up late to watch pornography’

    “SocGen advises bears to sell the dollar and to ‘short’ cyclical equities such as technology, auto, and travel to avoid being caught in the ‘inherent deflationary spiral’. Emerging markets would not be spared. Paradoxically, they are more leveraged to the US growth than Wall Street itself. Farm commodities would hold up well, led by sugar. Mr Fermon said junk bonds would lose 31pc of their value in 2010 alone.” – Société Générale tells clients how to prepare for ‘global collapse …

    Britain PLC: Just one big black hole as tax crash drives our borrowing to £11.4bn – 88 times more than last year

    CIA Secret ‘Torture’ Prison Found at Fancy Horseback Riding Academy

    Ahmed Abdul Qadus (in handcuffs). Source: http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030309/world.htm

    Khalid Sheikh Mohammed or Qadus?

    Ahmed Abdul Qadus

    first US marijuana cafe opens in portland, oregon

    “A proposal to give Aberdeen’s heroin addicts their fix on prescription has been referred to a council committee. The proposal is from SNP councillor Jim Kiddie who said radical action was needed to tackle the problem.” – Council considers heroin project

    “Scotland’s entrenched social problems are Labour’s legacy rather than the adjunct of SNP incompetence.” – The SNP flees for the hills

    “Nail the bastards with the sword of truth” – Glasgow NE

    Angie Papa Was A Wild And Crazy Guy!

    Falling further behind: Poor white boys are already the worst …

    Insects can count and even recognise human faces despiute tiny brains

    ~~

    Posted by Anon at 1:08 PM 1 comments
    Thursday, November 19, 2009
    ROMPUY-POMPUY; DUTROUX; THE MILITARY
    Belgian PM Van Rompuy, the new EU president

    Belgium is the home of Marc Dutroux.

    In early November 2009, Herman Van Rompuy accepted the invitation of Etienne Davignon to address a Bilderberg gathering. (Van Rompuy shows his hand at Bilderberg Group dinner Flanders Today )

    Viscount Etienne Davignon is, or has been, director of Kissinger Associates and good friend of Henry Kissinger, vice-president of the European Commission, and honorary chairman of Bilderberg.

    Reportedly, a witness has named Davignon as a child abuser.

    In the Dutroux affair, Witness X2 noted:

    “Parties with underage girls in the Cromwel hotel in Knokke. Present: Delvoie – Karel – X2 – Lippens – Van Gheluwe – Etienne Davignon. The girls knew where to go and with whom. Lippens hits the little girls. Several meetings between Karel and Davignon in the Memling hotel with the two Lippens.” (187) (PEHI – Beyond the Dutroux Affair) – Michel Nihoul and other famous Belgians

    “Blue Belgium” – In this piece of fiction, a top Belgian politician visits a Dutroux style figure.

    On 11 November 2009, David Cronin, at guardian.co.uk, wrote about Belgian prime minister Herman van Rompuy (Nato’s poodle in sheep’s clothing.)

    Among the points made by Cronin:

    1. Van Rompuy has sent more troops and planes to Afghanistan.

    2. He has been a strong defender of the stationing of American nuclear weapons on Belgian soil.

    3. Jane’s Defence Weekly published a report showing that Belgium’s military spending is on course to rise 47% between 2007 and 2010.
    Posted by Anon at 7:00 PM 2 comments
    Labels: Bilderberg, Davignon, Dutroux, Rompuy
    THE USA IN INDONESIA
    Aaron S Williams, boss of the Peace Corps.

    “The CIA … has its agents under the coverage of … US AID, the Peace Corps, Caritas and CARE…” (The empire and the CIA against Latin America (First part) [Voltaire])

    Reportedly, the Peace Corps is a front for the CIA. (ABC News)

    On 16 November 2009, we learn that Indonesia has decided to reactivate the Peace Corps program. (US welcomes Indonesia’s decision to reactivate Peace Corps program)

    The Peace Corps operated in Indonesia in 1963-65.

    That was the time when the CIA was organising the toppling of Indonesia’s President Sukarno, so that the Indonesian military could take over.

    Indonesian model Tiara Lestari

    In 1965, the US and UK toppled the first president of Indonesia because he was not prepared to be an American puppet.

    “In four months, five times as manypeople died in Indonesia as in Vietnam in twelve years.” – Bertrand Russell, 1966. (CIA Compiled Indonesian Death Lists in 1965 / genocide in paradise )

    In 1998, the US reportedly toppled the second president of Indonesia because he was not giving enough contracts to Americans and he was becoming too independent minded. (SUHARTO – BIG DADDY)

    Indonesians like to dance

    In 2009, the US may be sending Indonesia’s President Yudhoyono a message, in the form of hotel bombs?

    America’s Heritage Foundation wants the Pentagon to have yet more influence in Indonesia.

    According to the Heritage Foundation, “the US should continue with its counterterrorism assistance, continue to build closer military-to-military relations, help with education reform and economic development and move expeditiously to sign the comprehensive partnership agreement with Indonesia proposed earlier this year.” (Resilient Indonesia)

    According to the Heritage Foundation, Indonesia is of major importance to the US.

    “It is the most important country in Southeast Asia by size, strategic location, and democratic values.

    “The good sense behind forging a closer US-Indonesia relationship is the same today as it was yesterday.

    “If anything, the terrorist attacks should only strengthen American and Indonesian resolve to fully realize the enormous potential in their relationship.”

    In November 2009, we read that Indonesia and the US conduct joint military drill to tackle terrorism

    Indonesians

    According to Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II by William Blum (Indonesia 1957-1958)

    “In the early months of 1958, rebellion began to break out in one part of the Indonesian island chain, then another.

    “CIA pilots took to the air to carry out bombing and strafing missions in support of the rebels.

    “In Washington, Col. Alex Kawilarung, the Indonesian military attache, was persuaded by the Agency to “defect”.

    “He soon showed up in Indonesia to take charge of the rebel forces…

    “Sukarno later claimed that on a Sunday morning in April, a plane bombed a ship in the harbor of the island of Ambon – all those aboard losing their lives – as well as hitting a church, which demolished the building and killed everyone inside.

    “He stated that 700 casualties had resulted from this single run.

    “On 15 May, a CIA plane bombed the Ambon marketplace, killing a large number of civilians on their way to church on Ascension Thursday…

    “Three days later, during another bombing run over Ambon, a CIA pilot, Allen Lawrence Pope, was shot down and captured.

    “Thirty years old, from Perrine, Florida, Pope had flown … in Korea for the Air Force…

    “He was to spend four years as a prisoner in Indonesia before Sukarno acceded to a request from Robert Kennedy for his release.

    “Pope was captured carrying a set of incriminating documents, including those which established him as a pilot for the US Air Force and the CIA airline CAT…

    “On 27 May the pilot and his documents were presented to the world at a news conference, thus contradicting several recent statements by high American officials.

    Tiara

    Reportedly, The USA has used militant Moslems in Russia, China, India & Indonesia.

    Reportedly, the CIA likes to make life difficult for countries that are potential rivals, such as Russia, China, Iran, Turkey and Indonesia.

    Reportedly the CIA likes to promote militant Islam.

    Russia has between 19 million and 22 million Muslims. China has some 20 million Muslims. These Muslims can be stirred up.

    Indonesian.

    In The Age, (We must not get back in bed with Kopassus – theage.com.au), Dr Damien Kingsbury, head of philosophical, political and international studies at Deakin University, wrote about Moslem militants in Indonesia and their links to the military.

    1. Komando Jihad, which became Jemaah Islamiah – was set up by (American trained) Indonesian generals.

    Dr Kingsbury wrote: “Kopassus (Indonesian special forces)… has engaged in… hostage rescue missions. The first was in 1981, when a Garuda aircraft was hijacked…. Kopassus… set up the Islamic organisation Komando Jihad that hijacked the plane in 1981 and which has since emerged as Jemaah Islamiah.”

    2. Laskar Jihad – was set up by (American trained) generals.

    Jakarta human-rights activist Bonar Naipospos told Asia Times Online:

    “General Suparman is one of the generals who was behind the extremist Jihad groups. He set up militias composed of gangsters and religious fanatics to counter student demonstrations in 1998. One of these militias, Pram Swarkasa, became the embryo of Laskar Jihad.” (Asia Times We must not get back in bed with Kopassus – theage.com.au)

    Tiara Lestari – Indonesian model

    We should also note that:

    3. Bali bomb ‘mastermind’ Al Faruq – ‘worked for the CIA.’

    Former Indonesian State Intelligence Coordinating Board (BAKIN) chief A.C. Manulang was quoted by Tempo magazine as suggesting that Al-Farouq was a CIA-recruited agent.

    According to a news story in the Sydney Morning Herald, November 2, 2002:

    “Some time around the 30 October 2002, senior officers in the Indonesian military HQ gave a piece of information to a military attache from a Western embassy in Indonesia -the source of explosive used in the October 12 bombing in Bali was the head of the counter-terrorism unit with the army’s special forces.”

    The father-in-law of the officer concerned is Hendropriyono, Indonesia’s spy chief.

    Kuwaiti citizen Omar Al Faruq was arrested in Bogor on June 5, 2002 and handed over to US authorities. Al Faruq was able to escape from custody.

    The airline manifest of Garuda airlines shows that at least two generals from Jakarta visited Bali three days before the bombings and that they returned to Jakarta one day before the Sari Club was blown up. This was confirmed by armed forces chief General Sutarto, who claimed that General Djaja Suparman was on vacation, while General Ryamizard Riyacudu, chief of staff, was said to have gone to Bali for health reasons. (Jakarta Post)

    4. Islamic guerrillas in the 1960s – were supported by Britain’s MI6

    The following is from The Independent (UK):

    “Cabinet papers show that British spies, including MI6, supported Islamic guerrillas in order to destabilise Sukarno.” (Revealed: Healey admits role in British dirty tricks campaign to overthrow Indonesia’s President Sukarno, By Paul Lashmar and James Oliver, The Independent – 16 April 2000) The Secret State: MI5 (The Secret State: MI5 (Home Office/MoD), The Security Service and …)

    The following is taken from The British, Muslim Terrorism and September 11

    “Prior to World War II British Intelligence cultivated ties with the (Muslim) Brotherhood through agent Freya Stark, the British adventurer and writer (A Brutal Friendship – The West and the Arab Elite, Said K. Aburish, 1997) … The Muslim Brotherhood spread throughout the Muslim world and has evolved into something like a Muslim equivalent of the West’s Masonic brotherhood. It became one of the first Islamic Fundamentalist terror organizations…

    “According to CIA agent Miles Copeland, the Americans began looking for a Muslim Billy Graham around 1955… When finding or creating a Muslim Billy Graham proved elusive, the CIA began to cooperate with the Muslim Brotherhood, the Muslim mass organization founded in Egypt but with followers throughout the Arab Middle East… This signalled the beginning of an alliance between the traditional regimes and mass Islamic movements against Nasser and other secular forces.” (A Brutal Friendship – The West and the Arab Elite)

    The CIA was following the example of British Intelligence and sought to use Islam to further its goals. They wanted to find a charismatic religious leader that they could promote and control and they began to cooperate with groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood. With the rise of Nasser the Brotherhood was also courted more seriously by the pro-Western Arab regimes of Saudi Arabia and Jordan. They needed all the popular support that they could muster against the rise of Nasser-inspired Arab nationalism to keep their regimes intact.

    The Muslim Brotherhood was an obvious ally against Nasser, because he had abolished it from Egypt after it was involved in a failed assassination attempt on his life in 1954. The Brotherhood rejected Nasser’s policy that, for the most part, kept religion out of politics. Officially the Brotherhood was an outlawed organization, but it remained influential and active within Egypt working against the secular regime, often hand-in-hand with British Intelligence. In June of 1955 MI6 was already approaching the Brotherhood in Syria to agitate against the new government that showed strong left-wing tendencies and a desire to merge with Egypt. The Brotherhood became an even more important asset after Nasser announced the Egyptian takeover of the Suez…

    In Syria, in 1982, there was a major conflict between the Muslim Brotherhood and the Syrian government at the city of Hamma that resulted in 20,000 casualties. In the aftermath Syria’s President Asad revealed that the Muslim Brotherhood forces were armed with US-made equipment…

    Israel, forever inclined to back divisive movements, surfaced as another supporter of Islam and began to fund the Muslim Brotherhood and the Palestinian Islamic movement Hamas.

    The most noteworthy success of the Islamic movement during this time was of course the overthrow of the Shah of Iran and the installation of the Ayatollah Khomeini as the Islamic dictator. British Intelligence had used their contacts with Iran’s mullahs and ayatollahs to help overthrow Mossadegh and install the Shah back in 1953, and these contacts were maintained and used again to overthrow the Shah when his regime fell out of favor.”

    ~~

    Indonesia, US conduct joint military drill to tackle terrorism

    Indonesia amid a perfect storm of corruption

  37. Links from KNOWN fundamentalist Jewish, Christian, Hindu and Atheist sites will not be opened or read by any well read person But if your target is the uniformed or too lazy to make his/her own researches then you will have some success here. Else, you will be wasting your time providing links to those sites.

    Constant reference to such sites will only make the well informed readers wonder if you are not a fundamentalist yourself, Acharya.

    You attack 1.5+ Muslims with a wide sweep of your brush. They don’t care a fig first because they suspect you to be an atheist and then because you attack the RELIGION which gives them comfort and hope. You accuse their men of cruelty to their women by claiming that female circumscision is rooted in Islam i.e. Islam specific. If you claim that you are a well read person then by suppression of some facts you appear to lie. You should be knowing that female cirumscision is the practice by some African tribes irrespective of their
    religion. There are African CHRISTIANS AND PAGANS ( I do not know about African Jews) as well who are STILL PRACTISING female circumscision to THIS DAY. You know that, right? Or is that you refuse to admit it because of your HATRED for Muslims ALONE??

    If you claim you have no agenda here to bash Muslims due to any hatred I have not seen anything to that extent from your writings here.

  38. Make comments short and to the point
    “The key to good writing is to consider your audience.

    Recently a feminist sent me a long angry diatribe.

    I replied: “What made you think I’d read this once I figured out it wasn’t praise?”

    People expect you to read their thoughts just because they took the trouble to write them down. Communication is not the same as self-expression. If you need to express yourself, start a diary.

    In communication, your reader must want to read your work! You must have something important, new or original to say. You must write in an inviting and compelling way.

    Put yourself in the reader’s position. He doesn’t have much time or patience. He’s looking for something that will inform, empower or uplift him.

    You must pique his interest immediately and convey your message quickly. Keep it short! Weed out unnecessary words. They are your currency. Don’t inflate it.

    The Internet is a very competitive environment. There is a plethora of good, free material. To compete, you must be as quick, easy and engaging as possible.

    George Bernard Shaw said. “Have something original to say and say it in the most candid, straight-forward way possible.”

    Ideally you will be excited about your information or viewpoint, and will convey your passion.

    CLEAR WRITING

    Clear writing requires clear thinking. If your message isn’t clear to you, it’s not going to be clear to your reader.

    State your argument and give a few proofs. Don’t cite a lot of evidence and expect your reader to figure out your argument. (The reader wants your conclusions; he doesn’t want your calculations. He will either accept or reject your views.)

    Ideally, convey your message in the first paragraph so the reader can decide whether to continue. Write in a linear way, one-thought-per sentence.

    Good writing requires much rewriting. If you can, put the work away and look at it again over a few days.

    None of this will stop the New World Order but it will enable us get our message out more effectively.” – Henry Makow Ph.D

  39. Have you looked at an older living religion for te
    http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/readtalmudlately.html

    Later look into the Bible that the Christians refer for guidelines. Are the Christians influenced by the racism, terrorism and immorality found in their holy book?

    1. I see a theme here and guess I need to point some basic stuff out for the “lions of islam” roaring over here. Pointing out that Christians, Jews, and other non-Muslims do bad things in no way counters or refutes the many points being made about Islam.

      I understand that to you the world is divided into Muslims and evil unbeliever infidels and to you all outsiders are the same. But the real world isn’t that conveniently simple. Most of the people you encounter here know way more than you do about the evil, destructive things in the Bible and the ugly history of Judaism and Christianity.

      If you had bothered to notice any of the other articles on this site before commencing your little jihad you’d know this. You’re preaching to a better-informed choir and I argue frequently with their intolerant idiots too.

      Pointing out these evils in no way changes the awful teachings and events recorded in the Koran, nor does it justify the barbaric, threatening, violent behavior of Muslims.

      So stop acting like the fact that other delusional religious fanatics also do harm somehow gets your head-chopping pedophile prophet off the hook and excuses Islamic threats, violence, and general barbarism. It doesn’t. It isn’t excusable and has no place in a civilized world.

      1. Answer my questions dude instead of rambling to divert attention from Judaism, Chrsitanity and Hinduism. I dont see any choice epithets for the gods of these religions from you that you have for the prophet of Islam. How come? Prejudice, right?

    2. Yes, they most definitely were (and many still are) and millions suffered and died as a result. They threatened and killed scientists, philosophers, and other folks who couldn’t stop thinking and just believe and fear(because all-powerful heavenly fathers need their children to do their fighting for them,you see). They answered arguements and reason with threats, torture, and murder. Empowered religion consistently struggles against new ideas and innovations. Progress comes at their expense.And now that we’re almost out from under the smothering, oppressive weight of one stupid book and its fanatics,here comes yet another wave of even crazier nonsense from ancient desert tribes and their books. Our descendants are going to laugh at us for still having to waste our time arguing with sky-genie fanatics stuck in the 6th century in the same age when we walk on the moon, split atoms, replace hearts, clone plants and animals, peer billions of years into history thru telescopes, etc. That is, if we don’t manage to nuke each other to atoms over the rantings of some ancient desert pirate.

  40. “And now that we’re almost out from under the smothering, oppressive weight of one stupid book and its fanatics,here comes yet another wave of even crazier nonsense from ancient desert tribes and their books.”

    Sorry, I don’t subscribe to the opinion above for I don’t see any nonsense in the Koran like we see in the Torah, Talmud and the Bible. Don’t try to club the Koran with those books.

    1. Yeah, he’s right. The Koran is much better than the Bible – it got rid of all the nonsensical stories and just went for the bloodshed, hatred and lust.

      Like killing infidels, enslaving women and drooling over virgin girls and boys with earrings. A great improvement!

      1. Sorry forgot & signed in as anonymous again… Yes, I understand that you don’t see the Koran as nonsense like the other holy books. Of course. You’re not objective & can’t be. The Christians & Jews see clearly that their holy books are special too. They dismiss your book & religion with about as much serious investigating as you do theirs. Their myths & miracles are obviously false but, of course, yours are all fact & history. If you were born to a fundamentalist tribe of Protestant Christians from my part of the country, we would be arguing about the Bible & Jesus instead.This is true with all sky-genie fan clubs. Notice that every nation/people has their ancient myths except ancient Israel. Theirs are “history”(since Christianity & Islam grew out of it).

        Everyone else’s god stories are “myths” since god had nothing to say to the other 99% of his children,right? I do club the Koran with those books & many others. I can do that.I have a copy.I’ve read it. I know what it says(I’m pretty sure you’d never read books advocating my religious viewpoints). I’ve studied it’s sketchy history too. I didn’t come to it already believing it was some perfect, ultimate revelation from god,so I actually had a chance & choice to be objective about it.

        It’s not special. It’s just as violent, barbaric, & absurd as the Bible.

  41. If she really is not against Islam, then why does she use the word “radical islam”… and not the more accurate “radical people who practice Islam”. The former is less accurate and is irresponsible because it associates the problem with Islam. And if she is not against Islam, then why does she concentrates on the verses of Islam and not on the actions of those crazy people who practice Islam.

  42. Good, so you admit that the Bible is STILL the nonsensical stories plus killing infidels, enslaving women and drooling over virgin girls and boys with earrings.

    God Killing Infidels:

    Exodus 11
    11:4 And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt:
    11:5 And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the first born of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts
    11:6 And there shall be a great cry throughout all the land of Egypt, such as there was none like it, nor shall be like it any more.
    11:7 But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel

    Believers killing Infidels:

    Exodus 17
    17:13 And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword

    Believers killing their own people:

    Exodus 32
    32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour
    32:28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men

    Believers praising God for killing the infidels:

    Exodus15
    15:1 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.
    15:1 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.

    Examples of cruelty to women and God’s appreciation of robbing one’s neighbor’s wife to make his own can be quoted from the Bible if you want to see them with your own eyes. For sure you may not have seen or heard them, the reason you get inflamed only about Islam when the Christian/Judaic MSM carries only stories about some fundamentalist Muslims’ cruelty to women but suppresses stories of the fundamentalist Jews and Christians who show similar if not worse cruelty to women to implicate that Islam inspired them . Devious!!

  43. Another robotic Muslim apologist who has no clue as to who he is addressing but will simply repeat like a parrot the “tu quoque” fingerpointing elsewhere he has learned in Musbot school.

    This is a FREETHOUGHT website – we have been criticizing the Bible and other “sacred texts” here for years. We have no love at all for the Bible, so you are wasting your breath attempting to distract us away from the [b]ABUNDANT ATROCITIES OF ISLAM[/b].

    We know this tactic very well, and it doesn’t work.

    I suggest you take it elsewhere, including to these sites:

    FaithFreedom.org ([url]http://FaithFreedom.org[/url])
    Jihadwatch.org ([url]http://Jihadwatch.org[/url])

    I’m sure they will enjoy your robotic repetition of the same rubbish that has been debunked repeatedly for many years.

    The Koran is a manual of war against the infidel, pure and simple. ([url]http://truthbeknown.com/fitnareview.html[/url])

  44. Can I repeat myself here?I repeat…”I see a theme here and guess I need to point some basic stuff out for the “lions of islam” roaring over here. Pointing out that Christians, Jews, and other non-Muslims do bad things in no way counters or refutes the many points being made about Islam.

    I understand that to you the world is divided into Muslims and evil unbeliever infidels and to you all outsiders are the same. But the real world isn’t that conveniently simple. Most of the people you encounter here know way more than you do about the evil, destructive things in the Bible and the ugly history of Judaism and Christianity.

    If you had bothered to notice any of the other articles on this site before commencing your little jihad you’d know this. You’re preaching to a better-informed choir and I argue frequently with their intolerant idiots too.

    Pointing out these evils in no way changes the awful teachings and events recorded in the Koran, nor does it justify the barbaric, threatening, violent behavior of Muslims.

    So stop acting like the fact that other delusional religious fanatics also do harm somehow gets your head-chopping pedophile prophet off the hook and excuses Islamic threats, violence, and general barbarism. It doesn’t. It isn’t excusable and has no place in a civilized world.” That seems to have went over a few heads the first time.On another note, I’ve heard that one of the many points of conflict between muslims and the west have to do with muslim schoolboys disrespecting and refusing to obey their female schoolteachers in Europe.Seeing how Islam treats women,this makes sense.I’m sorta wondering if maybe the fact that a woman is posting these articles on this site has anything to do with the heat I’m seeing here. If female schoolteachers get shouted down for trying to lecture on reading and writing to good muslim boys, how much more galling must it be to hear a woman air out Islam’s filthy laundry? Do I detect mabe a faint tone of 6th century chauvinism in the air? Just look at the absurd amount of fine,manly muslim gentlemen fanatically clamoring to murder Ayaan Hirsi Ali for speaking her mind in a free country.These “men” actually punish women for being raped in Islamic-run countries and proudly defend their prophet’s violating a 9 year old child so I don’t think I’m too off base reading into it a bit.

  45. “And if she is not against Islam, then why does she concentrates on the verses of Islam and not on the actions of those crazy people who practice Islam?”

    The actions of those crazy people are inspired directly by the teaching of Islam. Those crazy people go way out of their way to stress this point. They quote the Koran chapter and verse on videos and in letters before carrying out their atrocities. Rarely do murderers ever go so far out of their way to make their motives so clear to us… And I almost forgot… Ashraf, that same violent, murderous lunatic of a god you righteously exposed is the god of Abraham, Issac, and ISHMAEL. So thanks for helping prove my point about all three sky-genie fan clubs.

    You did miss the worst quotes from the Bible,though. Kinda off-topic here but I can direct you to them if you want. I could quote equally murderous lines from the Koran too, but I’m sure you know them better than I do so I’ll leave it at that.

  46. Ashraf
    ” Another robotic Muslim apologist who has no clue as to who he is addressing but will simply repeat like a parrot the “tu quoque” fingerpointing elsewhere he has learned in Musbot school. “

    Suits you more. You are evading a direct reply to the questiions posed to you by repeatedly pointing to links of known fundamentalist sites where there are no answers. Devious!

    I know this tactic very well, and it doesn’t work with me or anybody else for that matter.

  47. Yes! We can see from these verses from the Koran just how unbarbaric and peaceful Islam is!

    [quote](Translation by N.J. Dawood: The Koran: With a Parallel Arabic Text, Penguin Classics, 1991)

    This Book is not to be doubted…. As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them. –Q 2:1-2:6-2:10; “The Cow,” Dawood, pp. 1-2.

    The only true faith in God’s sight is Islam. –Q 3:19; “The Imrans,” Dawood, p. 51.

    He that chooses a religion over Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the world to come he will be one of the lost. –Q 3:85, “The Imrans,” Dawood, p. 60.

    God’s curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God’s own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God’s most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers. –Q 2:89-2:90, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 13.

    Fight for the sake of God those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. God does not love the aggressors.

    Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage…. –Q 2:190-2:191, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 28.

    [Note that within Islam, many things can and are interpreted to be “aggression,” such that the death penalty is freely handed out.]

    When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them…. –Q 9:5; “Repentance,” Dawood, p. 186.

    Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate. –Q 9:73, “Repentance,” Dawood, p. 198.

    Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme. –Q 4:34, “Women,” Dawood, p. 83.[/quote]
    And here are some current events showing how unbarbaric and peaceful Islam is!

    The Religion of Peace ([url]http://thereligionofpeace.com/[/url])

    And here are some more images showing how the world dominated by Islam is so unbarbaric and peaceful!

    Acid Attacks on Muslims Women ([url]http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/24/muslim-women-disfigured-by-acid-by-phyllis-chesler/[/url])

    And even more images from the Muslim world, demonstrating how unbarbaric and peaceful it is!

    FFI Image Gallery ([url]http://www.faithfreedom.org/image/tid[/url])

    Or how about this estimate of 270 million people murdered in the name of Allah, Mohammed, the Koran and Islam ([url]http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30886[/url])?

    Truly a peaceful and unbarbaric religion, as we can see from its legacy.

    Here’s a nice video of a man reading from the Koran:

    Kill the Kuffars! ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMXK4H8_qoc[/url])

    And how about this lovely spokesman for the true Islam, agreeing with the 7/7 terrorist act?

    “No non-Muslim is innocent” ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C73ePf_2KVw[/url])

    To wit:

    A Muslim must have allegiance to everything that is Islamic but hate everything and everyone who isn’t.

    Before you respond here, I suggest you take up your objections with Choudary and all the other Muslims who have “hijacked” and “misinterpreted” Islam, rather than making ridiculous and transparently false statements here.

  48. “So stop acting like the fact that other delusional religious fanatics also do harm somehow gets your head-chopping pedophile prophet off the hook and excuses Islamic threats, violence, and general barbarism.”

    Just the above passage from your post is enough for any logical thinker to analyse your character. You are obviously here to malign the prophet and Islam at every opportunity you get.

    You have time and again:

    1. Name called the prophet which does not behove of a well read person that you claim to be (“You’re preaching to a better-informed choir”) .

    2. Accuse Islam of using threats where none is enjoined on all followers. (If it were so [b]all faithful [/b]Muslims you see around you would be threatening you. Me and my non-Muslim friends have yet to encounter one such threatening faithful Muslim)

    3. You accuse Islam of advocating barbarism (by definition a brutal, coarse, or ignorant act) where not a single verse of the Koran advocates it.

    If killings in battles are brutal than the ongoing wars conducted by the so called “civilized” West should be where your ire should be directed [b]first[/b]. The killings by Muslims on the other hand are all a consequence of the West’s blind support of the Jews at the brutal oppression being waged in Palestine (Goldstone report is an eyeopener but still the [b]”civilized” [/b] West hesitates to put the Jews in dock). Jews, Christians and even people like you are behind the mass rape of Iraq. You invaded Iraq BY LYING TO THE WORLD and [b]BOMBED AND BURNED [/b] INNOCENT (i.e in your own ‘civilized’ words , [b]non-combatants[/b]) women and children in their tens of thousands. Didn’t you? Can the West (the coalition of the WILLING) deny they didn’t? So first CLEANCE yourselves of the HATRED and BRUTALITY you reserve for MUSLIMS and after your minds are clean of this morbid hatred and brutality against Muslims then you may/can ADVISE how Muslims should behave if they happen to kill you without any provocation. But NOT BEFORE! NOT BEFORE! for it will [b]NEVER[/b] be heeded till the Muslims can believe (or be convinced) that the non-Muslim denizens of the West are on the killing spree just out of concern for the welfare of the Muslims they spare and not because of hatred in their hearts for Muslims and Islam.

  49. If pointing out all-too-obvious muslim oppression & atrocities constitutes “maligning”, then yeah, I’m guilty. I can live with that. I call ignoring it cowardice.

    I hope my stance against the oppression & brutality of Islam reflects on my character. The fact that the sickness & brutality in the Koran (lightly sampled above) bothers you way less than my being offended by it says plenty about your character too. You’re gonna have a real hard time taking the moral high ground in any argument while you try to justify religious-mandated murder & child-raping. Yet here you are again doing just that. Let’s see,I…

    “1. Name called the prophet which does not behove of a well read person that you claim to be (“You’re preaching to a better-informed choir”…Yes. Old men who have sex with 9-year old children are called pedophiles. Men who personally behead 800 defensless men & boys are called murderers.Look it up. So yes, I “name-called” him twice & continue to do so. Well-read people over here often take offense to murder & child-rape. I don’t see your point. My calling him a rapist & murderer was somehow rude but his documented raping & murdering wasn’t? And were you insinuating that I’m not well-read or something? Muhammad was illiterate. I’m a scholar compared to him.

    “2. Accuse Islam of using threats where none is enjoined on all followers. (If it were so all faithful Muslims you see around you would be threatening you. Me and my non-Muslim friends have yet to encounter one such threatening faithful Muslim)”…

    Way too many do. We don’t really need a full 100% of the muslim world trying to kill & enslave us before we get to complain about it, do we? Islam commands it. Too many muslims threaten to do it. Too many do it. Sane people see things like that as a problem.

    “3. You accuse Islam of advocating barbarism (by definition a brutal, coarse, or ignorant act) where not a single verse of the Koran advocates it.”

    Wow. Did you type that with a straight face? Did you somehow miss the post right bove this one? Are you reading the same Koran everyone else does? If that isn’t brutal, coarse, & ignorant, then circles are square & words have no meaning.

    …And here you go again committing the same exact stupidity I just reposted you about. “You invaded Iraq BY LYING TO THE WORLD and BOMBED AND BURNED INNOCENT (i.e in your own ‘civilized’ words , non-combatants) women and children in their tens of thousands. Didn’t you?”

    Did I? I did all that? Who do you think you’re talking to? Seriously…are you really that freaking stupid? I’m every western infidel you hate now? And you wanna go on about analysing people’s character thru posts?

    That right there speaks volumes on how you see the world.You come to defend Islam & end up being a caricature of the points I’m trying to make. This isn’t Afghanistan. Due to our freedoms of speech & thought, we have a huge diversity of opinions on all those issues & they’re loudly debated ad nauseum every day in the press. Unless you’re typing from a cave you should’ve noticed this by now.

    instead of wasting more time trying to get me to defend things I constantly oppose, re-read my repost until it sinks in.What else…

    “So first CLEANCE yourselves of the HATRED and BRUTALITY you reserve for MUSLIMS and after your minds are clean of this morbid hatred and brutality against Muslims then you may/can ADVISE how Muslims should behave if they happen to kill you without any provocation. But NOT BEFORE! NOT BEFORE!”…

    So now I have to wait for religious fanatics to kill me as promised before criticising them? Come on. I can tell you worked yourself into a real fury there & YOUR CAPS LOCK WAS REALLY LOUD & all, but try to calm down & think more about what you’re saying. Remember Dr. Ali Sina’s quote above: “Muslims are intolerant, supremacist, bullies, and violent. They are highly inflammable and can explode if they are not treated preferentially and with respect. At the same time, they abuse others and violate the rights of people of other faiths. This is psychopathology”.

    You wouldn’t want to prove him right, would you? You take criticism of Islam as “HATRED & BRUTALITY” while justifying & excusing Koran-justified terror, slavery, oppression, child-rape & murder. Seems like murder is bothering you a lot less than free speech again.

    And then there was this…”for it will NEVER be heeded till the Muslims can believe (or be convinced) that the non-Muslim denizens of the West are on the killing spree just out of concern for the welfare of the Muslims they spare and not because of hatred in their hearts for Muslims and Islam”.

    Yeah, you have half a point here. What the muslims believe is a huge concern. They riot worldwide over a Danish cartoon but no protests when terrorists crash planes into buildings here. We notice these things. So no, we’re not the ones who need to do the convincing. People don’t have a right not to be offended here. We do have a right not to be threatened & killed. It’s the other way around in Islamic countries.

    And hey, if muslims really feel like such poor oppressed victims after flocking to the west in droves to escape their midieval Islamic hellholes, they’re more than welcome to leave. I guess you don’t see the colossal stupidity of people going out of their way to leave Islamic countries to get here & soak up taxpayer hospitality & then demanding that the natives change to suit them. But despite all this ranting & hatred of the west, you’re still here. I guess whining in the decadent west beats the slavery of sharia law even for you.

  50. Abusive comments attacking me personally – while not saying one word about [b]the abundant atrocities of Islam globally for the past 1,400 years[/b] – will not only demonstrate the utter lack of honesty and integrity on the part of the writer but will also not be passed through.

    As I have suggested several times, [b]please take your pathology elsewhere[/b], such as to FFI, where there are plenty who will debate you happily.

    Thank you for proving my point about religious dementia, in this case Islam.

    Faith Freedom International ([url]http://faithfreedom.org[/url])

    FYI, FFI is NOT a “fundamentalist” site of any sort.

  51. Muslim defenders
    [img]http://www.fotosearch.com/bthumb/DEX/DEX278/PH161_459.jpg[/img]

    1. Christian, Jew and Atheist (with roots in Christia
      Back at you. :-?:

  52. Character problem. empty comment

  53. “….these sessions of self-confession, which again, is a cult… every cult has got it – which you have to come, and every day come to the meeting, explain what you have been thinking about, or what even you have been dreaming about, and even if you don’t have, they will hint that you have to lie, you have to make up something. So the collective pressure would be on you and they purify you. ….”

    Which ‘religion’ still practices self-confession to a preist since its inception?

    1. ????Are you still trying to attack christianity (& catholics at that) over here for some reason? Do you still imagine that you’re attacking anyone here by saying that? Do you read anything posted here?Judging from your continued fixation on attacking other religions, I doubt it.

      You should take up that issue on a catholic web site. And I don’t see how the practice of confession is worse than the Koran-justified oppression, pedophilia, woman-beating,baby-mutilation, & murder of Islam. The ad hominem argument (look it up) is always the last-ditch tactic of a defeated party.

  54. “You should take up that issue on a catholic web site. And I don’t see how the practice of confession is worse than the Koran-justified oppression, pedophilia, woman-beating,baby-mutilation, & murder of Islam. The ad hominem argument (look it up) is always the last-ditch tactic of a defeated party. “

    No Jeff, the issue should be taken here because you are maligning Muslims and Islam with such racist hatred that Christian and Judaic religions (religions that moulded the Europeans atheists as well) appear to be OK when the followers of these religions are the ones who are CURRENTLY raping CHILDREN (pedophilia) and murdering WOMEN (WHICH IS WORSE? WOMEN-BEATING OR RAPE AND MURDER OF WOMEN? – the largest number of woman bashing by the way is in the Western ‘civilized’ countries) in their tens of thousands with justified oppression, murder and GENOCIDE of entire populations. ( Proof: the war crimes in Palestine and illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan murdering and raping civilians). In your own words the ad hominem argument (look it up) is always the last-ditch tactic of a defeated party.

    1. Muslims seem to have learned a few tricks from the PC victocrat left. I wasn’t aware that there was a muslim race. When did Islam become a race? When did being anti-oppression, rape, & murder become racist? I malign Islam & the Koran for justifying these things.

      Are you saying oppression, rape, & murder are racial traits? I guess it’s oppression to speak out against religious oppression now.

      And last time I checked, Islam was the world champion woman-killer ideology. They even introduced the nonsensical term “honor killing” into our vocabulary. As we speak, some muslim woman is probably being stoned to death for adultery or being whipped & jailed for having been raped.Muslim men even gang-rape women to somehow restore family “honor”.

      Does anyone else think it’s odd how muslims can associate their honor with raping & killing women? When’s the last time muslims rioted over these abuses instead of cartoons? The Koran even recommends that husbands beat their wives if they don’t obey like good little slaves.

      And how can you criticise Catholic pedophiles while you personally defend Mohammad’s raping a 9 year old child? Your capacity for double-standards is mind-blowing.

      It’s really hilarious to see a muslim trying to attack any other culture for abusing women & children.It’s almost like you want me to point these things out over & over.

      And you’re really stretching hard here trying to include athiests, Christians, & Jews into one convenient category for you to hate & blame. Islam is based on (“moulded” by) Judaism & pagan Arab religions among others, so by your own illogic you’re answerable for Judaic & pagan Arab misbehavior too.

      An off the subject digression here…Ashraf, atheism isn’t religious-based. It didn’t evolve out of them.It’s older than religion. It’s not a belief.It’s a non-belief. Most of them oppose religions in general. As a secular humanist I oppose any religion or ideology that promotes violence & oppression. You only complain when non-muslims do it.

      Finally,you didn’t even look up ad hominem, did you? You consistently attack people & their imagined beliefs instead of addressing their arguements. Mostly because you can’t deal with them.

      You seem to think that pointing out that other religions are almost half as oppressive as Islam somehow excuses Islamic oppression,woman abuse, violence, holding an illiterate, murderous child-rapist to be a “perfect man”, rioting over cartoons, ect. You can’t justify them. You’ve stopped trying. Your attacking others for doing these things is an admission that you understand that these actions are wrong. Yet you try to justify them when it’s a muslim doing the raping & killing.Re-read your posts if you don’t believe me.I encounter this a lot when debating religious fanatics.

      To your credit, you haven’t resorted to any threats or insults yet despite my sarcasm. You’re answering arguments with arguments instead of the usual threats & tantrums. If you really want to keep this up, save Acharya’s bandwidth & take it to me at jeffphansen77@yahoo.com.

  55. “You seem to think that pointing out that other religions are almost half as oppressive as Islam “

    Did I say only half as oppressive as Islam? In fact I said/implied just the oppossite, that Islam is only half as oppressive as Christianity and Judaism.

    But, “By deception we make wars” is your favorite slogan. By deception, even in this comment, you wanted to falsely convey to the readers that other religions are only half oppressive.

    I need not comment further on the other lines most of them being deceptions likewise.

    Having now known you to be a clever distorter of statements, what reason should there be to believe that your other statements here are not likewise distortions of facts??

    In reply you may have many more deceptions. Take it from me that I will not respond to you again whatever your provocations with false statements may be. I have had enough of your deceptions. The last straw was your clever distortion of my own opinion.

    1. If I really distorted statements or facts, you’ve had an excellent opportunity here to point that out for all to see & I challenge you to do so. You call my points & refutations “deceptions” instead of refuting them. Because you can’t.

      “By deception, even in this comment, you wanted to falsely convey to the readers that other religions are only half oppressive.”

      No. I’ve been flat-out asserting as fact that Islam is many times more violent than any other religion. Most of the world knows this. Most muslims try to excuse or justify this fact rather than denying it. You did so earlier. You’re one of the very few silly enough to even try to deny it now.

      You repeatedly ducked issues like Muhammad being a child-rapist & mass-murderer & Islam being oppressive & violent by trying to attack targets noone here wants to defend. I took care to answer your challenges point by point. You haven’t even addressed, let alone refuted any of the many challenges I made. You refused to answer the many questions I put to you. All this is right here on the screen for anyone to see. If you want to duck out by calling arguments you can’t answer “deceptions” go ahead, but don’t expect anyone to take you seriously.

  56. Jeff, JH, you might find this piece handy:

    How to Debate a Muslim ([url]http://sheikyermami.com/2009/06/16/how-to-debate-a-muslim/[/url])

    You will find that all the tactics you’ve seen here used by Muslim apologists are outlined there. These tactics are reflections of the general cult indoctrination. We are just dealing with a very big, obscenely well-funded (and violent) cult.

    Here’s a taste:

    [quote]When trying to debate with Muhammed worshipers you will end up frustrated and exasperated: Muhammedans are masters of a technique called ‘turnspeak’- they use Tu Quoque (‘you do it too’ arguments) ‘accuse the accuser’- they employ kitman & taqiyya (lies & deception and dissimulation) they deflect away from the subject matter to avoid getting nailed on the unpleasant things like the atrocities, the rape, the plunder, slavery and child-molesting of the ‘profit’ Mohammed and his companions. Inevitably, if you know your stuff-, you will be cursed, they will threaten to kill you and tell you that you will go to hell for questioning their belief-system.[/quote]

    Sound familiar?

  57. Wow
    I should be in bed asleep, but have read this whole comment section instead. Very interesting.
    I enjoyed reading every post. Especially Acharya, loved your books. My sister married a Muslim man, and has 3 sons by him, and the boys lack of respect to their mother is due to being raised in a culture devoid of respect of humanity. Sad story. Her ‘American nature kicked in after abuses and the 2nd wife was brought home!
    It is a sad pathology that might suggest that humanity as a whole has parts that need healing, yet those parts don’t think they are a ‘part’ of the whole, but envision themselves the ‘head’ when in reality they are just a ‘part’.
    It is like my foot saying it needs to cut off my hand and rule over my body, when hopefully my brain (or mind) is really in control, and will not allow the foot to act on such schziophrenic ideas.
    The head knows it might have to amputate the foot, but the heart wishes to keep it out of love of it’s useful qualities. The Mind will finally have to make the final decision.
    Such Religions hopefully have not a chance in hell of making it into the future. Surely humanity’s instinct to self preservation will prevent this disease to spread to the ‘head’ of our collective body?

    God save us from your followers,,, they are getting out of hand again.

  58. It is too bad that radical fundamentalists such as Christian Zionists and Jewish Zionists don’t have the same courage as Dr. Jasser. God has given Dr. Jasser great courage and wisdom.

  59. Why Cant We Be Friends?
    Many of the issues the Catholic church supports are in agreement with sharia law. The pope has almost as much sins on his list as any imam. They both are against abortion,gay marriage,pornography,adultery, woman as priests/imams, and are in agreement on many other social issues. There is no reason why they should not share the same mosque/church pulpit. It would further religious harmony.

  60. It was a good try but you people will be never misguide a true muslm by spreading the above misundertandings so keep it up and try your atmost best but sorry for you, you will never be able to succeed.

    1. Thank you for verifying that people who are brainwashed by Islam are intransigently at odds with the rest of humanity, and are contemptuous and hateful towards non-Muslims.

      You have proved my point once again. Fortunately, there are millions of people trapped and enslaved by Islam who would flee if they had the chance. We are trying to reach THEM, not those who are so brainwashed that they will remain hateful towards and divided from the rest of humanity. That’s YOUR problem, and you can keep it.

  61. Islam is not a religion
    Salaam,
    I have read the thread above and thought I would comment on the ideas given of Islam, someone posted an essay I wrote on this thread and I came across it in a search.

    Islam was never a Religion, but was corrupted into one centuries after Muhammad, and took on the trappings firstly of Zoroastianism then Judaism and Christianity, if you examine the practices of that contrived religion you would see the direct tranfer of the practices of the above mentioned religions.

    You cannot judge Islam from that manufactured religion, but you can indeed judge the people who ignorantly practice that religion.

    I can explain any point of Islam based upon the Qur’an alone, free of religion and utterly free of the confusion of Hadith, a word that means simply conversation.

    I noticed the idea of chopping of hands was talked of, I will explain the Qur’anic view.

    The male thief, and the female thief, you shall cut their many(three or more) hands as a punishment for their crime, and to serve as a deterrent from Allah (Not God). Allah ( Not God) is Almighty, Wise. (5:38)

    [5:39] If one repents after committing this crime, and reforms, Allah redeems him. Allah is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

    To steal something deprives an individual and possibly his family of the use of the object stolen, be it food or possessions, to steal from the community at large, deprives everyone who used the object of its use. In some cases this may further cost lives, depending upon what was stolen, but on the other hand it may only cost the loss of the object. (If a theft cost a life through their actions of larceny, they would be a murderer, and this would be the crime they would answer for.)

    Under the prevailing doctrine of Christianised Hadithian Muslims, they interpret the Qur‘an to direct them to amputate hands.

    What would be the purpose in amputating a persons hand, it would serve as a warning, and so deterrent, being severe retribution for petty crimes, it would make it harder for a petty criminal to steal using his hands, it would make all aware that a thief was before them, from the physical evidence of a missing hand.

    But it would also make it impossible for them to earn a living, it would create an enormous burden upon the community, having to support these disabled individuals their remaining lifetime, it would do nothing to help the victims of the crime, as the object would still be gone, it would do nothing to help the thief, making them wear the scar of their action no matter how Allah had transformed them within, it would do nothing to make the community a fertile place for the natural development of every individual.

    The truth of the Qur’an does not create such a detrimental directive, this concept of burden heaped upon the thief, and then invoking a life times burden upon the community, is not Qur’anic, a man made interpretation, based in revenge and hate.

    To view a human being as so worthless in comparison to any inanimate object, would be the view of a sovereign, a dictator of injustice, a person that holds physical wealth above human suffering. If you encounter an individual who promotes, and encourages the concept of the severing of hands; as a Muslim you must condemn, and if possible strip them of all and any authority, they hold no empathy or concern to the suffering of their fellow man, and so demonstrate they are not Muslim.

    My View.

    The first thing to note is the three or more hands cut from the thief.

    The first hand is any position of authority within the community, a position were the honesty of an individual would be a prerequisite.

    The second hand is standing as a witness, they could not be trusted as an honest witness within the community.

    The third hand is physical labour.

    We generate wealth, as directed within the Qur’an, through our physical labours, this means we generate wealth through the utilisation of our hands.

    To cut or confiscate our hands, means the fruits of the labours of the thieves hands must be cut, or more aptly confiscated to make reparations to the victims of the theft, the cost to the victim, or victims, this must be repaid, they must be duly compensated.

    The punishment labours of the thief, must be for the betterment of their fellow man, to serve as an example to the community, the shame the thief carries, will imbed deeply within the mind of the thief, but the benefits they work at for the betterment of all will lighten their burden by this labour, the wealth generated from these efforts repays the loses to the victims, the community is satisfied justice has been served, the thief has grown from the rewards of helping his fellow man, the burden in this system, is squarely upon the thief.

    If the thief used violence against his victim, or victims, the same must be heaped upon them, and after this they must labour to recompense their victim, or victims, every action invokes a response, dependent upon the social system in operation.

    If after the debt of the thief has been repaid, the thief repents their ways and establishes themselves within the community as a good and honest person, both Allah and the community at large will forgive and forget the actions of the past, this means they are redeemed within the minds of the people, if their conduct demonstrates transformation.

    However it would always bar them from the holding of authority, or witness, until the community at large was fully satisfied they had truely transformed themselves, in to a true, and honest Muslim.

  62. Married at 6
    Aisha was married at age 6 (not 9) and CONSUMMATED marriage at age 9, NOT 14.

    Grand mufti of Saudi Arabia 2 years ago said that marriage to a 10 year old girl is fine; not only that it’s an insult NOT to marry them.

    There is no minimum age for marriage in Islam, and consummation is allowed at age 9 under islam.

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